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Re: Woman Caught In The Act by Goshen360(m): 12:19am On May 29, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: My brother, longest time. First of all, I didn't have ANYTHING against Olaadegbu. My only issue with him is, HE PREACHES TOO MUCH OF A MAN, as in this case, Kumuyi and others that he believes in AND if we teach anything in contrast to those men he believes in, he thinks we're rebels. Many times we'll teach something here and Olaadegbu will argue me down ONLY TO FIND OUT ONE OF HIS FATHERS IN THE LORD WILL TEACH THE SAME AND HE LIFT THE ARTICLE AS TEACHING AND POST AS THREAD. So, basically, if Goshen teach something, he argues down but if a white man from his mentor says the same thing he copies and paste to a thread here. I'm only challenging our brother to study for himself and be less into doctrines of men....hence was the statement to him, he preaches too much of Kumuyi but rather he should preach Christ. 2. I made a comment which Olaadegbu compared my statement of the woman caught in the act of adultry as a representation of the church of Jesus or a type/shadow which he Christ was later going to die for and give the gift of no condemnation. Olaadegbu in his hastiness didn't ask me to explain....he quickly equate it to as though usual parables by which Jesus would normally teach....I at Olaadegbu But you have said something concerning parables BUT I WON'T EVEN EQUATE THE ISSUE OF THIS WOMAN AS PARABLE BUT AS TRUTH BECAUSE IF YOU CHECK EVERY EVENT DURING JESUS LIFETIME IN THE GOSPELS, EVERY EVENTS WAS USED TO TEACH THE TRUTH OF HIS DBR&G.... death, burial, ressurection and glorification As much as there are ALSO SPIRITUAL TRUTH IN PARABLES which I'm not knocking you down that there are some spiritual truths in parables, THEY (PARABLES) ARE USED BY CHRIST TO COMMUNICATE TO LOW IQ PEOPLE OF THAT TIME AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS. It is used to communicate to those who cannot handle revelation of God's kingdom. (Matthew 13 vs 10 - 13) EVENTS THAT OCCURED IN SCRIPTURES ARE ALSO REVELATIONS OF GODS HIDDEN TRUTH which are now revealed to us. 3. As for Olaadegbu's throwing jabs at me being a Democrat, I wasn't even gonna to respond because that's him being peddy. His White and Black Republicans are the ones destroying us here in the states.....and these are people Olaadegbu will fight die hard to support....e.g, Been Carson, who's Secretary of HUD. This man is EVIL....yes I said it! If you don't believe me, look up his harvoks on HUD and congressional hearings on YouTube. So just to mention that, I'm not going to turn this to a political Debbie. 4. He claimed I haven't being or should show links here where I have been teaching or preaching Christ and Him crucified....if he can't find it under my topics, I don't think I should engage with his conversation on that. And Btw, what have we been doing or preaching here over the years if not Christ and Him crucified? Respect, my brother! |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by MuttleyLaff: 2:14am On May 29, 2019 |
Goshen360:Whatever OLAADEGBU always can easily be Bereans' style way fact-checked by the reader(s) Goshen360:I never equated the woman in the narrative as a parable, but, first typed that the woman was set up on a fabricated charge, meaning it never happened, thats why there was no man to charge her with, then secondly after, in response to the OLAADEGBU "are you saying because her name was not mentioned that means it was a parable" question he asked you, I tried to point out that, in the Luke 16 parable mention, there were the Rich man & Poor man characters in it, it is an example of parables with verisimilitude characters and one that had a charater's name mentioned in it as well. Lazarus, was the named mentioned, for the Poor man character, in that parable. Goshen360:"10Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?” 11He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12For whoever has, to him will be given, and he will be in abundance. And whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13Because of this I speak to them in parables: ‘Because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.’ 14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, saying: ‘In hearing you will hear and never understand; and in seeing you will see and never perceive. " - Matthew 13:10-14 You don begin to start again ooo bro. Wetin be: "THEY (PARABLES) ARE USED BY CHRIST TO COMMUNICATE TO LOW IQ PEOPLE OF THAT TIME AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS" nau? Are you trying to say that, the chief priests, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are people of low IQ? It was only one ocassion, that Jesus' parable, without Him giving explanation of it, was ever just like that "understood" by the hearers. It was the "The Parable of the Wicked Tenants" (i.e. Matthew 21:33-46) and Matthew 21:45, was where the chief priests and Pharisees after hearing the end of parable, somehow miracuously got the whiff and perceived that Jesus, in the parable, was speaking of them. Aside that "The Parable of the Wicked Tenants" parable, none understood Jesus' 45-60 parables, without Him explaining them, and often done in privacy or behind closed doors. "11He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secret of the Kingdom of God. But I use parables for everything I say to outsiders, 12so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled: ‘When they see what I do, they will learn nothing. When they hear what I say, they will not understand. Otherwise, they will turn to me and be forgiven.’ ”" - Mark 4:11-12 This was a deliberate modus operandi employed by Jesus, and Jesus, even in Mark 4:11-12 confirmed this, in there, He told the disciples, the reason and/or why He taught in parables Goshen360:Abeggy leave trash for Lagos State Waste Management Agency (LAWMA) bro. You know nau, that: Just because you bin see pesin waka behind Jesus, no mean say, the pesin be disciple ooo Goshen360:Bro, OLAADEGBU, dey do as hin sabi reach, you as well, you dont do bad, you dey as you too sef sabi, so what's more to desire nau, except for more grace, "abinibi" and divine ability. Una both do well, as we continue to iron shapens iron and be building each other up PS: Goshen360, you don return sharp sharp back, already from Naija be dat, erh? 1 Like |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by Goshen360(m): 3:12am On May 29, 2019 |
^ ^ ^ I wasn't saying it was YOU that equated my comment with being a parable, I was saying it was Olaadegbu who did that which I understand what YOU said in your response to Ola. 2. The scripture you're quoting agrees to what I said and in a way you agree that using PARABLES was a deliberate choice adopted by the Lord..... again, parables was used to communicate to low IQ people of those time AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS OR TRUTH......but to YOU OR US, it is given to UNDERSTAND the mysteries of the kingdom. In other words, Christ can teach the spiritual truth TO THE APOSTLES without adopting the use of PARABLES but the PEOPLE OUTSIDE couldn't handle it so he has to use parables to water it down and make it like milk for the babies. So YES, those religious leaders of the law, priests, etc are people of low IQ AS REGARDS SPIRITUAL MATTERS AND TRUTH. It's one thing to be knowledgeable in religious laws, be a chief priest and etc but knows nothing about spiritual truths and matters as even as the laws itself that such teachers of the law teaches. Just like saying, being a secular teacher of CRK doesn't mean that person knows spiritual truth contained in what he/she teaches. PS: I no dey use more than 2 weeks anytime I go 9ja because of job and bills....both don't wait |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by MuttleyLaff: 5:11am On May 29, 2019 |
Goshen360:Kk ooo. 1 Like |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:10pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
LordReed: You keep repeating your mantra of no evidence when the evidence is staring you in your face. What did you do with the evidence I gave on the first page? |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:28pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: I beg to disagree with you here. All parables that Jesus gave did not include any name. Jesus was describing an actual event in Luke 16 when He mentioned names such as Lazarus and Abraham. The Lord would not have given the name of someone who did not exist. There were only 3 others apart from our Lord Jesus Christ who ever spoke authoritatively regarding what happens after death; Lazarus, the Apostle John and Paul respectively. |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:34pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
NPComplete: Who told you allah doesn't exist?
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Re: Woman Caught In The Act by LordReed(m): 5:39pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: "Look at the trees" is a tired piece of evidence that has been debunked in so many ways it is tiresome repeating the counter. Besides I have stated elsewhere and I repeat here, arguments for an interacting god are worthless to me. If I was going to be swayed by arguments I won't have become an atheist. If there is no unequivocal evidence for a god then I remain unconvinced. "Look at the trees" is as unconvincing as they come because the explanations that do not require a god for their existence, sound more logical than some imaginary beyond space and time wizard that doesn't show itself in any meaningful way. 1 Like |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:57pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
LordReed: What evidence did you debunk?
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Re: Woman Caught In The Act by budaatum: 6:24pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
I have always pondered on the connection here with Daniel 13 and why its conveniently not included in some Bibles.
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Re: Woman Caught In The Act by LordReed(m): 7:25pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Did I say I did? |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:52pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
LordReed: You said the evidence 'has been debunked in so many ways' and that 'it is tiresome repeating the counter.' Tiresome for who?
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Re: Woman Caught In The Act by LordReed(m): 8:56pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: For me. |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by kkins25(m): 10:48pm On Jun 12, 2019 |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:07pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
LordReed: You did not debunk the evidence and yet it is tiresome for you? |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:11pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by budaatum: 3:27pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Thankfully, Biblegateway disagrees with you, unless your position is that God wrote the KJV in 1611. 1 Like
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Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:55pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
budaatum: I also thank God that Biblegateway stated that the verse can only be found in the Catholic Bible (Edition), not the authorised version. |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by budaatum: 4:23pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:You mean "the Catholic Version" that preceded the KJV? I guess like Daniel 14, some wouldn't want people to know we've replaced Yahweh with Bal worship. 2 Likes |
Re: Woman Caught In The Act by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:58pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
budaatum: The Word of God preceded the Vatican. See the thread showing the timeline that represents the battle between the Vatican and Protestant England in the attempt to destroy the true Word of God. https://www.nairaland.com/163349/attack-infallible-word-god/3#80524512 1 Like |
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