Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate - Christianity Etc (2) - Nairaland
Nairaland Forum › Nairaland General › Christianity Etc › Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate (5657 Views)
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 9:43am On Jun 28, 2019 |
Dafemich:Look at how you claim to love murderous people, yet you avoid that cultist and bad boy in your street. You don't even greet him. Thou hypocrite. Same you will tell your kids to stay away from certain bad kids in school, yet you love your neighbor. Same you will tell your daughter to avoid the company of prostitutes, yet you love your neighbor. Same you will tell your son to stay away from his friends who smoke weed and gamble, yet you love your neighbor. It just shows that you don't understand what Jesus meant by loving our neighbor. To you, it sounds like a command to love everybody. But how come God's wrath was upon Jehoshaphat who loved everybody by helping them? 2 Chronicles 19:2 2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord. You claim to love murderous Herdsmen and terrorists, right? Jesus said we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Do you love yourself well enough to become a murderer? Your answer must be no. So why do you love a murderer when you don't want to be a murderer yourself? It shows you are evil and will always condone the evil and workers of iniquity. When Jesus said we should love our neighbor, he never said we should love evil men. He was simply saying we should do good to our neighbors who need help. It means we should never do bad to them Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. But you have somehow twisted the teaching to mean we should love all vile and evil person out there. If you don't hate such people, it means you won't make heaven and won't dwell in God's holy hill. Check out the requirement to be able to make heaven. Guess what? Love for your neighbor and Hate for a vile person are part of it. Psalm 15 King James Version (KJV) 15 Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? 2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart. 3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour. 4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not. Contemned is one of the synonyms for HATE as seen in the Thesaurus. As seen, love for your neighbor doesn't mean love for everybody. Otherwise contemn for a vile person won't be a requirement for heaven. It clearly shows that God doesn't require you to love everybody |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by LordReed(m): 9:44am On Jun 28, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Yeah, Jesus supposedly hates deeds while you want to hate homosexuals, go figure. I won't shut up and it's you making an arse of yourself. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 9:53am On Jun 28, 2019 |
LordReed:Jesus doesn't just hate deeds, he also encourages hate for a vile person. Not having such hate means you won't make heaven. Psalm 15 King James Version (KJV) 15 Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? 2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart. 3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour. 4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not. Therefore, your love for homosexuals means you are not a candidate of heaven. It shows you will also want to be loved despite being evil. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by LordReed(m): 10:02am On Jun 28, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:So what then is your quibble with my first post? You have clearly shown how a christian can carry love and hate. What are you arguing about? |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Magnoliaa(f): 12:04pm On Jun 28, 2019 |
Shepherd00:I don't see much difference between his tone and that of Paul's... Here's what I think (which is just an opinion and I may be wrong): Christians are becoming too much like the world. Becoming neutral, and being rubbed by the world's view. The lukewarm kind of Christians. I can imagine the Apostles and early Christians being this aggressive and zealous, almost bordering on being hateful and intolerant. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 12:12pm On Jun 28, 2019 |
Magnoliaa:Don't mind them. Below is King David speaking. If he was alive on Earth today, many will label him as a hateful man going about selling hate speech. Yet, his words are doctrine. Psalm 139:21-22 (KJV) 21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? 22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 11:42pm On Jun 28, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Oh Wow. No need, preach hatred by all means. You shall defend this someday soon. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 11:46pm On Jun 28, 2019 |
Dafemich:Bros, the devil is not making anyone do anything. What this guy is exhibiting is what is in his intentions and Will. Not all that calls Him Lord Lord are His disciples. Christianity no be for mouth, Na actions. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 11:48pm On Jun 28, 2019 |
hoasis:How does that scripture say you shd hate anyone? |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 11:55pm On Jun 28, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Calm down man, you are too acidic. The atheists is right in this one and you are wrong. He may not have gotten the quotation right, but he is right. This is the Scripture Lordreed maybe referring to; James 3:11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Light and darkness cannot be in the same vessel. This is not Jesus' gospel. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 11:58pm On Jun 28, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:HERE; Matthew 5:44-46 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 12:00am On Jun 29, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:You are wrong. Here, check again. Matthew 5:44-46 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 12:04am On Jun 29, 2019 |
LordReed:Wonderful. alBHAGDADI, this guy just nailed you. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 12:22am On Jun 29, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Actually, you are the one taking scriptures out of context not him. alBHAGDADI:No. See?, you are misunderstanding what the Lord means there. There are no types of hate. Hate is a malicious intent towards another person. Dislike is to detest someone or something. Here is what the Word hate in that context means; Greek: μισέω Transliteration: miseō Pronunciation: mis-eh'-o Definition: From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less: - hate (-ful). And it is to detest the deeds of the Nicolaitans which was sorcery. Jesus never said we hate the Nicolaitans. alBHAGDADI:alBHAGDADI, Jesus never encouraged hatred in Rev.3:6. Pls read it again. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 1:03am On Jun 29, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:WTH is this? Do you know what Christ means by this?; Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. That is what you just said he did by doing what you saying is wrong. Christ, says, Love your neighbor as you Love yourself, not Love your neighbor more than you Love yourself. He knows that the enemy wants you dead, but you need to stay alive. So, If your enemy who wants you dead is hungry, feed him. But, watch out for a daggar. alBHAGDADI:Again, this is wrong. Jehu, though a prophet, but over Zealous in his office as a prophet and conduct. And, pls learn to read in-between the lines and separate the Acts from the Actors. If Jehovah hates Sinners, there's no way he'd take up flesh to die for us. He is still saving sinners today including YOU. alBHAGDADI:Matthew 5:43-46 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?[/quote]alBHAGDADI, who is the enemy referred to here by the Lord? alBHAGDADI:You are the one twisting the teachings of the scriptures. If God hates evil people why did he come down into this wicked world to die for them? alBHAGDADI:You lie. All the laws of God are encapsulated in the Ten Commandments and non of it contains hate for people of any kind. alBHAGDADI:Yes, the Lord hates evil act, but does not have people, hence He justifies them in redemption. The Psalm 15 you just quoted doesn't say we shd hate wicked people. alBHAGDADI:You shd use a Bible Concordance instead. Hebrew: בּזה Transliteration: bâzâh Pronunciation: baw-zaw' Definition: A primitive root; to disesteem: - {despise} {disdain} contemn ({-ptible}) + think to {scorn} vile person. KJV Usage: despise (36x), contemptible (3x), contemned (1x), disdained (1x), vile person (1x), Again, check the context. alBHAGDADI:Love for your neighbor means Love for everybody, but not the love for the ACTS of everybody. Why aren't you walking about killing people whom you hate? Oh, you do it in your Will and intentions.You are Murderer. What then makes you different from the Muslims? |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 1:11am On Jun 29, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Were you a Muslim? because this here is Islam you are preaching not Christianity. The scriptures you posted doesn't say we have to hate people to make heaven. God hates evil which comes from satan. He wants people saved hence He came down here and died, Now why wld he do that if he hates us? Or, did Christ died for the righteous. ...While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Why are Muslims repenting and are being saved by God? Why are homosexuals repenting and are being accepted into the fold? Why are Murderers, prostitutes and outright satan worshipers repenting and are cleansed and are regenerated? Where did you get this gospel from? |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 1:12am On Jun 29, 2019 |
LordReed:Don't mind him, A Christian can not carry Love and hate. Light and darkness cannot be in the same vessel. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 1:14am On Jun 29, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:These words are doctrine to you? I'm not sure you are a Christian. Maybe a Judaists. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 2:57am On Jun 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Stop being an idiot. You know nothing about the word of God. You are just taking verses out of context and wrongly applying them. You say a fountain cannot spring forth sweet and bitter water at the same time. This you use to say one cannot have hate and love at the same time. Are you stupid not to see that it simply means you can't say you hate someone and love the person at the same time? This agrees with my stance. But you confusingly think it means Christians are not to hate. No, it means were are not to be neither here not there. We are to make a strong stance and not be lukewarm. Revelation 3:16 (KJV) 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. It simply means when it's time for us to hate, we should only hate, and when it's time for us to love, we should only love. Not hate and love at the same time. I want you to carefully study the verses which are below so as to see how you are very wrong. 1 John 4:8 King James Version (KJV) 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. Psalm 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man. As seen above, God is love but God also hates. Sadly for you, you think this is wrong because you chose to be foolish. You do not know that hating what is wrong is right, and hating what is right is wrong. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 3:11am On Jun 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Why don't you go back to the OP and see how I explained the true meaning of this passage? Sadly, your blind self won't allow you. You say we Christians should just be all about love and no hatred. You believe this because you think when Jesus said we should love our neighbor and enemies, it means we should love Everybody. That is wrong because the passage below says the man who will make heaven must love his neighbor and contemn (hate) a vile person. Clearly, having contemn for a vile person means we are not to love everybody. Psalm 15 King James Version (KJV) 15 Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? 2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart. 3 He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to his neighbour, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbour. 4 In whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoureth them that fear the Lord. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 3:25am On Jun 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:Sorry Mr Man, he nailed nothing but lies. Sadly, you are siding with an atheist and ipooser of God's word. That's because you are evil yourself and would want Christians to love and not hate evil. Let's see the passage again. James 3:11-18 King James Version (KJV). Look, I've told you before that not all hate is wrong and not all hate is right. Where in the entire passage do you see a warning against hatred, especially the right kind of hatred? But you have foolishly accepted the wrong interpretation coming from an atheist. Shame on you. You are not a child of God but a bastard, that's why you side with outsiders to plunder God's word. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 3:30am On Jun 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:You see how foolish you are? You quoted the Greek but couldn't see that they still rendered the whole thing as hate. Jesus commended the Church in Ephesus for hating what he also hates. Yet you say Christians are not to hate even when Jesus gave them a pat on the back for doing so. Shame on you devilish liar. Revelation 2:6 (KJV) 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate Above is Jesus Christ also having hate. If you were to see him on Television today, you will say he's unchrist-like. You will call what he said hate speech. What a shame. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 3:50am On Jun 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:You will make lots of sense if you just keep shut Christ, says, Love your neighbor as you Love yourself, not Love your neighbor more than you Love yourself. He knows that the enemy wants you dead, but you need to stay alive. So, If your enemy who wants you dead is hungry, feed him. But, watch out for a daggar.I've explained this already and right from the OP. Again, this is wrong. Jehu, though a prophet, but over Zealous in his office as a prophet and conduct.You are so shameless to label Jehu overzealous. Where does the Bible label him in such manner? But you modern man have castigated him. Read the passage again. 2 Chronicles 19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? [/b]therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD. As seen above, Jehu was pronounced the word of God to Jehoshaphat. If Jehu was overzealous, which would mean he wasn't sent by God to do that, then God would have struck him dead for pronouncing what he never said. [b]Lamentations 3:34 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? And, pls learn to read in-between the lines and separate the Acts from the Actors.For God so loved the world... God use to love sinners and had at one time or another loved every sinner. That's why he sent his only begotten son to die for them. But the moment they rejected him, that love fades. That's why they are going to burn in hell. Matthew 5:43-46 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.I've explained this already right from the OP. You lie. All the laws of God are encapsulated in the Ten Commandments and non of it contains hate for people of any kind.You and this your love your neighbor or theory. You know nothing about it . Psalm 15 King James Version (KJV)Then what dies the word contemn mean? It is another word or synonym for the word hate. Check the Thesaurus or other disctionaries. Contemned is one of the synonyms for HATE as seen in the Thesaurus.All the words your Bible concerdance gave as synonyms fo contemn are still saying hate. They are all synonyms of hate. Why aren't you walking about killing people whom you hate? Oh, you do it in your Will and intentions.You are Murderer. What then makes you different from the Muslims?Where in the entire Bible and this thread do you see where hate is an advice to kill? If you hate bacteria infested meal, does that mean you are a murderer? If you hate a very wicked dog, does that mean you are going to kill it? Stop being foolish. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by alBHAGDADI(op): 3:51am On Jun 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV) 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by MuttleyLaff: 6:37am On Jun 29, 2019*. Modified: 8:06am On Jun 29, 2019 |
Shepherd00:You cant see the forest for the trees of what OP wrote. Everything in OP makes sense abeggy. OP na "ọmọ ologo ọmọluwabi" on this one, so "ji masun, ni idi isẹ" Shepherd00, and that loosely translated, means "wake up, dont sleep on the job" Shepherd00 alBHAGDADI:After Monday and Tuesday the calendar says WTF, and I too in the spirit of wtf, was wondering what wtf is ipooser, then it dawned on me, you meant to type "opposer of God's word" and not "ipooser of God's word". alBHAGDADI:Beats me, and its because there are too many biblically illiterates about, who have truth decay, because they hardly brush up their Bible. alBHAGDADI:Atheists, sometimes do get it right, just not on this one and this particular atheist definitely hasnt alBHAGDADI:He is no bastard, and that's because he has a father, whom we know. He however is, black sheep turned and become Goatherd00 |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by OkCornel(m): 11:44am On Jun 29, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Jesus hated the DEEDS, not the person... |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by newsynews: 2:00pm On Jun 29, 2019*. Modified: 9:14am On Jun 30, 2019 |
OkCornel:In context to saying Christians should never hate anything, that verses shows that to be wrong because Jesus encouraged hate. In this context, hate of the deeds of some people. But Jesus is the same God who hates people for being evil. The opening post is filled with many verses that shows God hating people who are evil. You can't tell us God suddenly changed, when he himself said he changeth not. And you can't say Jesus is different from God and does things differently. John 5:19 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Lalasticlala fp |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Nobody: 3:40pm On Jun 29, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:I get what you are saying. The answer is Love the sinners by preaching the gospel to them but not encourage their wicked ways. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by OkCornel(m): 3:56pm On Jun 29, 2019 |
newsynews:You said that the opening post is filled with verses showing God hating people, no doubt about that. The opening post also showed instances of people who lived before the time of Jesus e.g David hating God's enemies. Obviously yes. Now pay attention to what Jesus said that changed all of that. 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you Matthew 5 v 43 explains the mindset that was prevalent prior to the coming of Jesus on how to deal with one's enemies (that was the time David lived in)... And after that, Jesus said we should love both our enemies and neighbors in Matthew 5 v 44 Jesus said even more than this in the book of Luke, I'll find the reference and paste it here. Paul wrote something in Romans 12 v 14-21; 14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. 15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. 17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Please tell me, can you do all of that Paul and Jesus mentioned up there if you hate people who are sinners or people that offends you? Believers in the new covenant are nowhere instructed by Jesus hate people. Of course, the sinful deeds must be hated, but NOT THE PERSON. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by OkCornel(m): 4:05pm On Jun 29, 2019*. Modified: 4:27pm On Jun 29, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Everything the OP wrote made sense right? That means you shouldn't complain if the OP hates homosexuals and lesbians. Obviously, Christianity (new covenant) and Judaism (old covenant) has no place for consensual monogamous same sex relationship you have been advocating for in the church. As for me, I stand against and hate the practice of homosexuality and lesbianism in all forms, but I don't hate the misguided souls practicing that. It takes one who loves such people to pray that the Spirit of God convicts them to change their ways. Cc: Folykaze. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 4:23pm On Jun 29, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:Whatever Albagadi, whatever. Your conviction is yours, not mine. |
| Re: Why Christians Should Not Fall For The Propaganda That Says They Shouldn't Hate by Shepherd00: 4:28pm On Jun 29, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:If Albagadi is right about Christ asking Christians to hate sinners, why aren't you okay with people who Persecute Homosexuals? |
Pastor Adegboyega Flaunts His Maserati Mc20, Says "They Are Worldly Things" • Why Christians Should Stop Publicizing The Errors Of God's Servants • 7 Reasons Why Christians Should Stop Taking Alcohol • 2 • 3 • 4
Why I’m Crazy And Will Never Be Like My Mother – Bishop Oyedepo’s Daughter • Systematically Dismantling Joshua 10:13: 'Sun Stand Still' • OAP Freeze Abuses Pastor Adeboye: They Don’t Read The Bible, They Only Brainwash