blackpanda:


A ranch is not a farm. We are talking investments of over 100million. That is not a project u expect a cattle rearer to be able to do.

budaatum:

A cattle ranch is a farm! And no one expects current cattle rearers to be able to invest over 100million doing ranch, though, they can sell some of their cattle to raise money to purchase land. But money isn't the only issue here, they still have to learn new methods of farming. I doubt current cattle rearers are up to it because to become a ranch cattle rearer of the 21st century able to invest 100m, you'd need a university degree in Fulanism or cattle rearing, a profession just like doctor, lawyer, accountant, farmer. The old tradition of foraging cattle is unacceptable and this so called Ruga is its coffin. Current herdsman who cannot evolve should go to school or learn a new profession!

blackpanda:
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Obviously you are not being reasonable

budaatum:

Thankfully, you aren't the sole determinant of "reasonable".

blackpanda:


Another heap of baseless lies born out of bias. But like fg said, its not by force. At least u guys opposing won't ave d mouth to cry tomorrow. Don't expect govt to employ ur youths to work in d ranches o. Keep ur land and purchase ur meat from Israel!

TommyAnthem:
Who told you that other ethnic groups can not do ranching successfully, I won't be surprised if you tell me that fulanis are the ones doing it in Argentina, UK, New Zealand, Australia etc.

budaatum:

You are the one missing the point. The name, Ruga, is propaganda. The Livestock Transformation Development Plan is not for Fulani only since anyone can buy land and set up a ranch, and it is in fact anti-fulani since it means they can't just roam around letting their disease ridden cattle eat other people's crops and woud now have to buy land to keep their cattle and buy feed for them too.

The current herding of cattle is inefficient, deflates meat production and keeps prices high. It spreads diseases to other cattle. My ranch in Osun State was devastated due to this. It didn't matter how well my cattle were, contact with Fulani roaming cattle just killed it. This plan will encourage university graduates who have learnt animal husbandry to take over from archaic uneducated Fulani and set up 21^st century ranches and increase production and profit. Like I said in the op, 'honey' and not 'lemon'.

As for Federal Government appropriating land in states, I suggest you listen to the spokesperson for Benue State to learn the position of the constitution on land. Ranching is an individual venture, and not an Fg sponsored business. See below, what we are trying to avoid. In my Orolu Kingdom, which is on the way to Ogbomosho and the major cattle market in Jebba, and with a lot of fertile land thats good for grazing, we had to pass laws that they can only move cattle after 1am and be off the streets by 5am.

If anyone has a link to anywhere this policy came from my bubu, please post it so I can read it. All I'm seeing is "he said", and smoke!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qgcA4G39ac

Oshigun:


Why are you just being so unreasonably stubborn? Nigeria's population is heading towards 200 million and growing !!!! The Cattle livestock required to feed that population will require grazing fields beyond that in the home State of many herdsmen hence their itinerant nature.

Besides, start focusing on the positives and eschew hate that blinds you to the obvious. Cancer is killing many in the West mainly because of how livestock (meat of all kind) are farmed. In the West they are pumped full of hormones, antibiotics to be cured in Chlorine and then raised unnaturally and unhealthily in confined space because of the extreme pressure to feed more mouths. We have a traditional system that helps us eat organic Beef, essentially, and all you can focus on is the Fulani component rather than look at solutions that will preserve this beneficial way of farming Cattle?

You tell me why cancer rate in Nigeria is much lower in Nigeria than in the UK for example? Nigeria 180 million and 41,000 die of cancer. UK 66 million 164,000 died of cancer and you are here talking garbage out of hate for Fulani. We simply need to all try to be solutions providers and appreciate what we have. A holistic approach is required and that has begun with this government that is trying to establish grazing ares and moving bravely to ban the Almajiri system where kids are kept out of school and uneducated to then become menaces to society. Did the PDP you lot love to worship ever propagate the long-term solution we are now seeing from the APC? All you guys do is negativity out of hate for others. We have to address the mass illiteracy in the North. Simple.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/health/309867-cancer-killed-41000-people-in-nigeria-in-2018-who.html

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics-for-the-uk



https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/insecurity-fg-moves-to-ban-almajiri-system.html

lexy2014:



https://mobile.twitter.com/Papadonkee/status/1145389712921772034

budaatum:

A cattle ranch is a farm! And no one expects current cattle rearers to be able to invest over 100million doing ranch, though, they can sell some of their cattle to raise money to purchase land. But money isn't the only issue here, they still have to learn new methods of farming. I doubt current cattle rearers are up to it because to become a ranch cattle rearer of the 21st century able to invest 100m, you'd need a university degree in Fulanism or cattle rearing, a profession just like doctor, lawyer, accountant, farmer. The old tradition of foraging cattle is unacceptable and this so called Ruga is its coffin. Current herdsman who cannot evolve should go to school or learn a new profession!

TommyAnthem:
Nobody is saying the truth here, the real owners of those cattles you see with the fulanis are very rich Alhajis, they have the clout to start ranching at any level and run it successfully, what you're seeing is just a smokescreen.

budaatum:

In my hometown, it is wealthy people who hire herdspeople to tend their cattle. Herdspeople farm themselves out taking on cattle from numerous wealthy people in the community. They have various formulas by which they share the profits.

Confinement, which ranches will impose, will force them to improve their practice, along with reduce the spread of cattle diseases which currently devastates our fledgling meat industry. Europe would rather fly in beef from faraway New Zealand than touch the crap we call meat. The market for quality produced beef is immense, is what I see through the smokescreen. People are putting ranch on their own land as we speak. Those who are fit will succeed.

TommyAnthem:
You got it my bro, all these noises about settling poor fulani herdsmen is a charade.

budaatum:


The Fear of Fulani Herdsmen and Cows!

Livestock Transformation Development Plan

Cattle Ranch 101


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl1fIAJ5liw

blackpanda:
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Obviously you are not being reasonable

doyinbaby:
he is reasonable.... RUGA is EVill .... RUGA is dead and buried in Jesus name..... amen

blackpanda:


Ignorance laced with tribalism and bigotry

Blue3k:


How much do end user pay for services. Why is that part not mentioned anytime the discussion starts. Its pure crony capitalism. Nobody wants annother program tax payers will overwhelmingly subsize. The United States charges fees and leases for grazers. What does Nigeria get?

Will Nigeria also lift ban on beef and pork imports? That's a benefit to people and will lower food prices.

NGpatriot:




Guess you prefer for taxpayers money to be looted instead of using it to create jobs for your people,, modern agric infrastructure and strong IGR base to benefit you and your people.

And when other states and region taps into the plan and massively succeeded, it's going to be noise all over the place about maginalizatiom after maginalizing yourself.

Sadly, you people are always the sad recipients of your hatred and bitterness.

NGpatriot:




Guess you prefer for taxpayers money to be looted instead of using it to create jobs for your people,, modern agric infrastructure and strong IGR base to benefit you and your people.

And when other states and region taps into the plan and massively succeeded, it's going to be noise all over the place about maginalizatiom after maginalizing yourself.

Sadly, you people are always the sad recipients of your hatred and bitterness.

Blue3k:


Your 1st paragraph is stawman answers nothing. You second is just wishful scenario which isnt an argument against anything I said. To sum everything up you spent 3 rambling nonsense because you cant answer basic questions about economics of policy. Just answer questions in future or let someone with intelligence do it.

• I didnt say I was against your state keying into program.

grandstar:


If the ranching or intensive form of raising cattle was lucrative, why wasn't massive investments made into it by the private sector? Why take centuries to modernize cattle rearing?

NGpatriot:



You are not against the program, but clearly asserted that nobody wants another government or taxpayers subsidized program even though you're didn't conduct any survey or poll before arriving at that lame and misguided conclusion.

You are not only against the program, you are also convinced that every soul in Nigeria is against the program. It's either you are confused or you just don't read over the things that you type and post.

If you're going to discredit anything, do the most basic thing by stating with credible facts and reasoning why it's a bad idea instead of saddling us with your own personal conclusions and what I want or don't want.

grandstar:


Arguing with Blue3k won't do you any good as he is actually an economist. That's what he studied. He isn't speaking out of hatred but just stating the truth. It is like condemning a Mathematician for saying 1+1 =2.

blackpanda:



Ok. But don't come crying tomorrow that fg is only spending money for the north. This is u rejecting food placed at ur doorstep

blackpanda:



Ok. But don't come crying tomorrow that fg is only spending money for the north. This is u rejecting food placed at ur doorstep

Blue3k:


You're still arguing idioticly. Your 1st paragraph assumes I meant literally everyone. Only a five year old takes basic phases at face value. You spent two paragraphs arguing this dumb point because you couldn't answer simple questions. Stop replying me mentally challenged retorts that answer nothing. Just argue the economics of the government policy. If you dont have the intelligence just let someone else do it.

• The government hasnt indicated how the much ranchers will pay to cover services. I do t see how its fiscally sustained with tax payers front most of cash. If its like BLM in USA it would be ok at best but it should be improved upom.

• It doesn't make sense to dump billions in crony corporate welfare. You said yourself you want IGR so these guys need to be able to economicly justify the money spent on them. It's that simple.

• if we doing all this will Nigerians get option to import beef again?



These clowns something something's else. Its all emotional nonsense saying you hate them and country for daring to disagree with them policy positions.

grandstar:


Arguing with Blue3k won't do you any good as he is actually an economist. That's what he studied. He isn't speaking out of hatred but just stating the truth. It is like condemning a Mathematician for saying 1+1 =2.

These so called policies look swell on paper but are a nightmare in practice. The objectives are noble but I'm already seeing "trouble'' swirling above.

First and foremost, why is so much attention paid to beef cattle? Why not to sheep, goats And pigs?

Let the market do its' work.

One thing you need to know for instance is that Nigerians probably pay the highest prices for beef and chicken in West Africa.

Most other West African countries have opened their borders to import of meat and this has led to cheaper prices of meat without running the herdsmen out of business. In Nigeria, due to a ban on meat import, they have a monopoly, making meat expensive.

For some reason, I feel there'll be more disadvantages than advantages in this policy.

If the ranching or intensive form of raising cattle was lucrative, why wasn't massive investments made into it by the private sector? Why take centuries to modernize cattle rearing?

With this policy, Nigerians will keep paying dearer prices for meat than others which isn't right.

And if the policy also aims to make Nigeria self sufficient in milk production, the agro-allied sector of the economy is doomed.

Even if the country can achieve self sufficiency, it will take decades and companies dependent on milk will be at severe advantage.

I'm sure FAN ICE uses far more milk than Nigeria produces presently.

Even if the country's production went up, can it achieve the efficiency of foreign suppliers?

Let's say a company like FAN needs $10m worth of milk a month, the inefficient market here can't meet up. Even if they had the quantity, I very much doubt the efficiency.

Already, LCCI (Lagos Chamber of Commerce and Industry) has said that the ban of forex for food importers will turn the country into a smugglers paradise.

NGpatriot:




So, your new and another foley of yours is what the government indicated or not indicated in terms of funding and not the fact that you cluelessly asserted that nobody in Nigeria is interested in the program, including me that you haven't discussed anything with...

This so far is a policy statement and proposal, not a detailed program where all the players, stakeholders and the states (Owners of the land) haven't keyed in yet or stated the cost of the land they intend to lease out to the farmers and entities involved so why are you ranting about the government cost.

Even the farmers and the potential stakeholders are yet to state in clear business terms the amount of land they need or the total cost of their operations and exactly what their operations are going to look like, including the cost of land, raw material, overhead and associated cost.

This is a voluntary participation program and until there are credible interests via the states and the livestock industry stating in clear terms what they need in terms of material and support, it's premature and imprudent to rant about an ordinary policy statement and proposal.

Obviously, you couldn't support or defend your initial ill-informed and misguided rant about taxpayers not wanting the program.

Lastly, it is perfectly OK to disagree with any government program or even anything your heart desire, but narrow such disagreement to yourself and not the rest of Nigeria, I mean the Nigerians you haven't asked or polled or surveyed per their interest in the program to determine their support or objection.

Learn how to speak for yourself and quit generalizing baselessly.

Blue3k:



What a pointlessly long and idiotic rant. Why is is so hard to speak on the economics of policy for you? I guess I'll just leave you to your emotional tantrums. Im guessing its your time off the month. Dont forget to change your pads. Lol people are supposed to blindly support a policy with no plan or direction?

NGpatriot:



You are free to speak on whatever economic policy you fancy, that's your own personal cup of tea, but you can not generalize and credit the rest of Nigeria with your own misguided, baseless and ignorant conclusion.

Next time before generalizing or telling us what every soul in Nigeria like or dislike, accompany such proclamation with facts, polls, and survey

Sadly for you, you blindly discounted and discredited a government program you know little or nothing about, you blindly asserted that the whole of Nigeria is not interested in the plan while at the same time ranting about blindly supporting a government program. You must have looked in the mirror.

The issue here is not about supporting or not supporting anything, you are free to support anything under the sun, but you can not speak for every Nigeria about what they like or dislike. Limit such ignorance to yourself and your fans.

I'd still love to see the poll you conducted before concluding that Nigerians are against this government plan.