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Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 10:24am On Jul 01, 2019 |
blackpanda:A cattle ranch is a farm! And no one expects current cattle rearers to be able to invest over 100million doing ranch, though, they can sell some of their cattle to raise money to purchase land. But money isn't the only issue here, they still have to learn new methods of farming. I doubt current cattle rearers are up to it because to become a ranch cattle rearer of the 21st century able to invest 100m, you'd need a university degree in Fulanism or cattle rearing, a profession just like doctor, lawyer, accountant, farmer. The old tradition of foraging cattle is unacceptable and this so called Ruga is its coffin. Current herdsman who cannot evolve should go to school or learn a new profession! |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by blackpanda: 11:27am On Jul 01, 2019 |
[s] budaatum:[/s] Obviously you are not being reasonable |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 11:31am On Jul 01, 2019 |
blackpanda:Thankfully, you aren't the sole determinant of "reasonable". 1 Like |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by blackpanda: 11:54am On Jul 01, 2019 |
budaatum: Neither are you 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by TommyAnthem(m): 1:58pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
Who told you that other ethnic groups can not do ranching successfully, I won't be surprised if you tell me that fulanis are the ones doing it in Argentina, UK, New Zealand, Australia etc. blackpanda: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 2:14pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
TommyAnthem:3 likes for you jor! You made my day! |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by lexy2014: 2:26pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
budaatum: https://mobile.twitter.com/Papadonkee/status/1145389712921772034 |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by TommyAnthem(m): 2:37pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
Guy parkwell with all these rhetorics, nomadic life was once a lifestyle of every tribe on earth during the stone ages, and as time progressed most tribes decided to settle down and form communities, and then adopted ranching, so if the fulanis have decided not to settle down and learn new ways of rearing cattle that is their own wahala, they shouldn't use it to rub on others. The population of cattle in Argentina dwarfs that of Nigeria in millions, "please do some simple research", yet no crises there, you don't see cows along their highways or in their presidential villa or in their airports looking for grasses to forage. As for cancer you just referred to, well, I will rightly say it is not just from beef alone, they are eating to much processed "DENATURED" food. Oshigun: |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 2:50pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
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Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by TommyAnthem(m): 2:55pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
Nobody is saying the truth here, the real owners of those cattles you see with the fulanis are very rich Alhajis, they have the clout to start ranching at any level and run it successfully, what you're seeing is just a smokescreen. budaatum: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 7:15pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
TommyAnthem:In my hometown, it is wealthy people who hire herdspeople to tend their cattle. Herdspeople farm themselves out taking on cattle from numerous wealthy people in the community. They have various formulas by which they share the profits. Confinement, which ranches will impose, will force them to improve their practice, along with reduce the spread of cattle diseases which currently devastates our fledgling meat industry. Europe would rather fly in beef from faraway New Zealand than touch the crap we call meat. The market for quality produced beef is immense, is what I see through the smokescreen. People are putting ranch on their own land as we speak. Those who are fit will succeed. 1 Like |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by TommyAnthem(m): 8:25pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
You got it my bro, all these noises about settling poor fulani herdsmen is a charade. budaatum: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 8:37pm On Jul 01, 2019 |
TommyAnthem: The Fear of Fulani Herdsmen and Cows! Cattle Ranch 101 |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 7:03pm On Jul 07, 2019 |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 1:53am On Jul 30, 2019 |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by doyinbaby(f): 10:12pm On Aug 19, 2019 |
blackpanda:he is reasonable.... RUGA is EVill .... RUGA is dead and buried in Jesus name..... amen |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by blackpanda: 10:18pm On Aug 19, 2019 |
doyinbaby: Ignorance laced with tribalism and bigotry |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by doyinbaby(f): 10:22pm On Aug 19, 2019 |
blackpanda:we will never support RUGA....let me remain ignorant.....we reject RUGA...... RUGA will never materialise in JESUS Name.... God will shame all wicked people .. 1 Like |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by NGpatriot: 10:32pm On Aug 19, 2019 |
Blue3k: Guess you prefer for taxpayers money to be looted instead of using it to create jobs for your people,, modern agric infrastructure and strong IGR base to benefit you and your people. And when other states and region taps into the plan and massively succeeded, it's going to be noise all over the place about maginalizatiom after maginalizing yourself. Sadly, you people are always the sad recipients of your hatred and bitterness. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by Blue3k(m): 10:48pm On Aug 19, 2019 |
NGpatriot: Your 1st paragraph is stawman answers nothing. You second is just wishful scenario which isnt an argument against anything I said. To sum everything up you spent 3 rambling nonsense because you cant answer basic questions about economics of policy. Just answer questions in future or let someone with intelligence do it. • I didnt say I was against your state keying into program. |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by grandstar(m): 11:46pm On Aug 19, 2019 |
NGpatriot: Arguing with Blue3k won't do you any good as he is actually an economist. That's what he studied. He isn't speaking out of hatred but just stating the truth. It is like condemning a Mathematician for saying 1+1 =2. These so called policies look swell on paper but are a nightmare in practice. The objectives are noble but I'm already seeing "trouble'' swirling above. First and foremost, why is so much attention paid to beef cattle? Why not to sheep, goats And pigs? Let the market do its' work. One thing you need to know for instance is that Nigerians probably pay the highest prices for beef and chicken in West Africa. Most other West African countries have opened their borders to import of meat and this has led to cheaper prices of meat without running the herdsmen out of business. In Nigeria, due to a ban on meat import, they have a monopoly, making meat expensive. For some reason, I feel there'll be more disadvantages than advantages in this policy. If the ranching or intensive form of raising cattle was lucrative, why wasn't massive investments made into it by the private sector? Why take centuries to modernize cattle rearing? With this policy, Nigerians will keep paying dearer prices for meat than others which isn't right. And if the policy also aims to make Nigeria self sufficient in milk production, the agro-allied sector of the economy is doomed. Even if the country can achieve self sufficiency, it will take decades and companies dependent on milk will be at severe advantage. I'm sure FAN ICE uses far more milk than Nigeria produces presently. Even if the country's production went up, can it achieve the efficiency of foreign suppliers? Let's say a company like FAN needs $10m worth of milk a month, the inefficient market here can't meet up. Even if they had the quantity, I very much doubt the efficiency. Already, LCCI (Lagos Chamber of Commerce and Industry) has said that the ban of forex for food importers will turn the country into a smugglers paradise. |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by NGpatriot: 12:47am On Aug 20, 2019 |
Blue3k: You are not against the program, but you clearly asserted that nobody wants another government or taxpayers subsidized program even though you didn't conduct any survey or poll before arriving at that lame and misguided conclusion. You are not only against the program, but you are also convinced that every soul in Nigeria is against the program. It's either you are confused or you just don't read over the things that you type and post. If you're going to discredit anything, do the most basic thing by stating with credible facts and reasoning why it's a bad idea instead of saddling us with your own personal conclusions and what I want or don't want. |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by budaatum: 1:08am On Aug 20, 2019 |
grandstar:Excuse me, but the above is like claiming the reason Nigeria does not make Apple is because it isn't lucrative. How about we don't invest in it because we don't know how, or you lazy, or you want quick returns and just can't bother with longterm investment? The reasons are endless, not lucrative likely being the last one an intelligent person would come up with! For your information, meat is very cheap in Nigeria compared to many other places, and our consumption of meat rate is abysmally low.
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Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by Blue3k(m): 1:09am On Aug 20, 2019 |
NGpatriot: You're still arguing idioticly. Your 1st paragraph assumes I meant literally everyone. Only a five year old takes basic phases at face value. You spent two paragraphs arguing this dumb point because you couldn't answer simple questions. Stop replying me mentally challenged retorts that answer nothing. Just argue the economics of the government policy. If you dont have the intelligence just let someone else do it. • The government hasnt indicated how the much ranchers will pay to cover services. I do t see how its fiscally sustained with tax payers front most of cash. If its like BLM in USA it would be ok at best but it should be improved upom. • It doesn't make sense to dump billions in crony corporate welfare. You said yourself you want IGR so these guys need to be able to economicly justify the money spent on them. It's that simple. • if we doing all this will Nigerians get option to import beef again? grandstar: These clowns something something's else. Its all emotional nonsense saying you hate them and country for daring to disagree with them policy positions. |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by Borderless: 2:33am On Aug 20, 2019 |
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Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by doyinbaby(f): 3:16am On Aug 20, 2019 |
Why can't the large expanse of land in the north be irrigated for grassland for the cattles......sebi you dey irrigate land for farming pepper tomato and onion and other food Why insisting on RUGA when south and middle belt say they don't want RUGA is aimed at cheating the south out of its land You mean all of the money made from cattle rearing all these years none can be used to purchase land for the business Why most the south donate land for something that future generations will regret The almighty God will never allow RUGA to materialise Have the cattle rearers ever given Nigerians meat for free before ..... answer is NO. RUGA will not favour south.... afterall north always boast of greater land mass.... please use the large expanse of land in northeast and Northwest for Your beloved RUGA. ...we will never accept RUGA |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by doyinbaby(f): 3:23am On Aug 20, 2019 |
blackpanda:RUGA is poison....it is aimed at cheating us out of our land....if RUGA is so good why not give the states that want and leave those that don't want it alone |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by NGpatriot: 4:16am On Aug 20, 2019 |
Blue3k: So, your new and another foley of yours is what the government indicated or not indicated in terms of funding and not the fact that you cluelessly asserted that nobody in Nigeria is interested in the program, including me that you haven't discussed anything with... This so far is a policy statement and proposal, not a detailed program where all the players, stakeholders and the states (Owners of the land) haven't keyed in yet or stated the cost of the land they intend to lease out to the farmers and entities involved so why are you ranting about the government cost. Even the farmers and the potential stakeholders are yet to state in clear business terms the amount of land they need or the total cost of their operations and exactly what their operations are going to look like, including the cost of land, raw material, overhead and associated cost. This is a voluntary participation program and until there are credible interests via the states and the livestock industry stating in clear terms what they need in terms of material and support, it's premature and imprudent to rant about an ordinary policy statement and proposal. Obviously, you couldn't support or defend your initial ill-informed and misguided rant about taxpayers not wanting the program. Lastly, it is perfectly OK to disagree with any government program or even anything your heart desire, but narrow such disagreement to yourself and not the rest of Nigeria, I mean the Nigerians you haven't asked or polled or surveyed per their interest in the program to determine their support or objection. Learn how to speak for yourself and quit generalizing baselessly. |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by NGpatriot: 4:22am On Aug 20, 2019 |
grandstar: 1. Economists don't go around ranting and spewing baseless rubbish about what every individual in Nigeria like or dislike without credible stats and facts. 2. The FG did not ban any Forex for food, this is nothing but silly rumors and social media fabricated rubbish. If you people are going to smother us with your ill-informed and misguided opinion, throw in a little fact here and there to make it look a little bit credible, you are not talking to lame, gullible and ignorant people. 1 Like |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by Blue3k(m): 4:23am On Aug 20, 2019 |
[s] NGpatriot:[/s] What a pointlessly long and idiotic rant. Why is is so hard to speak on the economics of policy for you? I guess I'll just leave you to your emotional tantrums. Im guessing its your time off the month. Dont forget to change your pads. Lol people are supposed to blindly support a policy with no plan or direction? |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by NGpatriot: 4:41am On Aug 20, 2019 |
Blue3k: You are free to speak on whatever economic policy you fancy, that's your own personal cup of tea, but you can not generalize and credit the rest of Nigeria with your own misguided, baseless and ignorant conclusion. Next time before generalizing or telling us what every soul in Nigeria like or dislike, accompany such proclamation with facts, polls, and survey Sadly for you, you blindly discounted and discredited a government program you know little or nothing about, you blindly asserted that the whole of Nigeria is not interested in the plan while at the same time ranting about blindly supporting a government program. You must have looked in the mirror. The issue here is not about supporting or not supporting anything, you are free to support anything under the sun, but you can not speak for every Nigeria about what they like or dislike. Limit such ignorance to yourself and your fans. I'd still love to see the poll you conducted before concluding that Nigerians are against this government plan. |
Re: Livestock Transformation Development Plan by Blue3k(m): 4:56am On Aug 20, 2019 |
[s] NGpatriot: [/s] Your rant is still pointless idiotic. My comment was about economics. Your pms tantrum is about the need for poll or what ever strawman you conjure up. Lol not one question answered or economic argument made. Only a mentally challenged person takes a statement to mean literally everyone like you did multiple times. You dont need poll but it would be helpful. You have social media post to analyze and fact majority of states haven't affirmed yes. |
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