Goke7:


the one Ighalo did for Iwobi na wetin?

Kindly calm down and read what I posted again slowly this time and you would see where I mentioned 'similarly'

Watching Mali and CIV it's very evenly matched and Zaha has not been able to impose himself on the game.

The game is not a classic it's very very physical.

komekn:
Watching Mali and CIV it's very evenly matched and Zaha has not been able to impose himself on the game.

The game is not a classic it's very very physical.

Mali looks better though

How many Adama Traore dey for Mali sef?

Wolves own follow?

Very mobile team but they can not convert the chances

krattoss:
How many Adama Traore dey for Mali sef?

Wolves own follow?

Haa

fabyom:
they outplayed us both in 1988 and 2000 AFCON final.

No sir, No Way They outplayed us in 1988. We hit the bar sef and lost a couple of chances. Where they dominated us in 1988 was in the group stage not the finals.

I watched the highlights of the 2000 Afcon and I think they outplayed a bit Sha.... remember it was 0-2 before we came back....

Ikpeba did not only fumble, at one time the ref was just looking and confused but his gesture (ikpeba) gave him away and the ref just took the easy way....


And till date I still don't understand why we lost "3" finals to them alone....first time, 2nd time, 3rd time even at home, omo dem really do us...we could be on our 7th or 8th title like this self.....

The moment Chikwueze dribbled through the crowded Camerounian difference, I had expected him to pass the ball to an already freed Iwobi but to available.

Chikwueze should learn to be a team player in such moments.

mali have themselves to blame

After l have expressed discontent with Zaha's performance who scores yes ZAHA.

Goke7:
mali have themselves to blame

Yep

komekn:
After l have expressed discontent with Zaha's performance who scores yes ZAHA.

I did too. He seemed lost in the match

Sportilitica:

Mali looks better though

I really can't say with conviction.

I would say CIV are more technical and composed but Mali is more offensive Bullish determined and physical.

I am also emotively biased towards CIV.

A league that prefers ready made players can't be said to be a developing league. And no, players hardly develop in the EPL. I have used our own names as yardsticks.

Players should go to where they will horn their skills before going to the EPL to make money. EPL is a league for Mercenaries and not where skills are developed (though we have few exceptions though)

komekn:


Players develop but they have to be exceptionally good to get into the first team of these top clubs in the EPL.

Consider that Ademola, Nelson (Arsenal) Sancho and a few others. Couldn't get game time in the EPL and essentially tore up the Bundesliga and two of them were U18.

Players develop but they don't get opportunities and some can even get lost in the lost in the system.

I had this discussion with two Nigerian origin players of which one has now gone to Lazio and the other is looking at options for a loan move.

Considering also Osimhen he couldn't do anything after two seasons in the Bundesliga. Goes to the Belguim league and tears it open.

Now the debate or the question is can he replicate that new found form in a better more competitive league.

The question is it a mix between development and or opportunity. Or you could say that the other leagues are not as competitive and easier for players to make it.

terzurum5:
The moment Chikwueze dribbled through the crowded Camerounian difference, I had expected him to pass the ball to an already freed Iwobi but to available.

Chikwueze should learn to be a team player in such moments.

He actually played to instructions against Cameroon

komekn:
Watching Mali and CIV it's very evenly matched and Zaha has not been able to impose himself on the game.

The game is not a classic it's very very physical.

As expected

Sportilitica:

He actually played to instructions against Cameroon

Not to pass?

terzurum5:
The moment Chikwueze dribbled through the crowded Camerounian difference, I had expected him to pass the ball to an already freed Iwobi but to available.

Chikwueze should learn to be a team player in such moments.

I think our fans need to make a very clear cut and measured deduction in knowing the difference between style and skill, dribbling, showboating, beating players and END DECISIVE PRODUCT.

We love all the skill and stylish fancy footwork l do too I have learned painfully that without end product it's simply a WASTE.


As a consequence a lot of clubs will over look him and we on this forum will call it racism.

Sportilitica:

I did too. He seemed lost in the match

It's obvious his heart and soul is set out to transfer out of Crystal Palace. I heard he asked to be excused from the elephants camp to sort out his future in London.

In other news:

Syria 5:2 North-Korea

Battle of the bombers

darkelf:
In other news:

Syria 5:2 North-Korea

Battle of the bombers

mhen i no fit go stadium go watch this kind match o

some of these african teams, na gra gra be their game, bye bye mali make una borrow sense next time

Goke7:


mhen i no fit go stadium go watch this kind match o

I'm telling you

Goke7:
some of these african teams, na gra gra be their game, bye bye mali make una borrow sense next time

I told some people here that Moussa Marega is an overrated Striker. I will pick even Ighalo ahead of him any day any time.

How can you be a striker playing for Porto and not find the net in 4 games. So tell me what this guy brings to the table now. Some of you were defending him.

Una see now

darkelf:


I told some people here that Moussa Marega is an overrated Striker. I will pick even Ighalo ahead of him any day any time.

How can you be a striker playing for Porto and not find the net in 4 games. So tell me what this guy brings to the table now. Some of you were defending him.

Una see now

It happens. Kanu as an Arsenal player played several CAN games without scoring.

Even Drogba did not score many goals in CAN.

Only few African players like Eto'o replicate club form in CAN.

And Messi scored 1 goal in 4 games in Russia.

somehow:
A league that prefers ready made players can't be said to be a developing league. And no, players hardly develop in the EPL. I have used our own names as yardsticks.

Players should go to where they will horn their skills before going to the EPL to make money. EPL is a league for Mercenaries and not where skills are developed (though we have few exceptions though)

I will disagree, l have a lot of involvement with EPL Academies and they are developing players from a very early age.

There is a EPL academy that brought the former Assistant manager at Sao Paulo in Brazil to head up the training of the U8 - U12. It is widely thought that the skills of agility and the personal skills are established before the age of 12.

They are applied after that age and much.more difficult to develop afterwards although not impossible. You have kids training 4/5 times a week high intensity fir 2+ hours each session.

That format is replicated across most of the football academies to different degrees and emphasis across England.

In this regard players are developing but not getting the opportunity to develop in the game. That's why the loan system is so important for development.

You can not use our own players as a yardstick. Because a lot of them have big gaps in thier development. As a result they have to work a lot harder to learn very quickly.

English players in the academies can become complacent. Essentially they are content to play youth football because at the age of 16 some of them are on £20k a week. Which club in Belguim or Portugal will pay that.

Something that may have impacted on Nwakali negatively and made him complacent. Aqua

KPOM!


O pari

darkelf:
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People can blame Ikpeba and Kanu all they like but Ike shorunmu was poor in that match. Those two goals could have been averted and let's not forget the fact that he couldn't catch a single penalty

Jarus:


It happens. Kanu as an Arsenal player played several CAN games without scoring.

Even Drogba did not score many goals in CAN.

Only few African players like Eto'o replicate club form in CAN.

And Messi scored 1 goal in 4 games in Russia.

Good point

But even the club form you are referencing, he has average stats for the said club

And please, he shouldn't be in the same sentence with the above mentioned players

They were piss poor in the final third. And that came back to hunt them.


O pari

Goke7:
this malian team is fumbling jor, creating all the chances but can't convert one

So you reached these conclusions merely by watching just the highlighted, eh

Wow. Some of the things you read on this forum na halele sha.


O pari

Starboytwo:
I watched the highlights of the 2000 Afcon and I think they outplayed a bit Sha.... remember it was 0-2 before we came back....

Ikpeba did not only fumble, at one time the ref was just looking and confused but his gesture (ikpeba) gave him away and the ref just took the easy way....


And till date I still don't understand why we lost "3" finals to them alone....first time, 2nd time, 3rd time even at home, omo dem really do us...we could be on our 7th or 8th title like this self.....

Bros I am talking about your own players
Now that you have mentioned Nwakali, can you tell us how long he's been in the EPL and why he's yet to play senior football unlike his counterparts in other leagues?


Edit:

I just reread your comment and you summed it up. They are loaned out to go develop elsewhere because EPL is not meant for grooming. Forget youth league and football
It can't be compared with playing day in and out in a league where money and reputation ia involved. I am not talking about 5-15yrs old development here, I'm talking about young guys already known from playing fifa tournaments getting to cut their own in main leagues

komekn:


I will disagree, l have a lot of involvement with EPL Academies and they are developing players from a very early age.

There is a EPL academy that brought the former Assistant manager at Sao Paulo in Brazil to head up the training of the U8 - U12. It is widely thought that the skills of agility and the personal skills are established before the age of 12.

They are applied after that age and much.more difficult to develop afterwards although not impossible. You have kids training 4/5 times a week high intensity fir 2+ hours each session.

That format is replicated across most of the football academies to different degrees and emphasis across England.

In this regard players are developing but not getting the opportunity to develop in the game. That's why the loan system is so important for development.

You can not use our own players as a yardstick. Because a lot of them have big gaps in thier development. As a result they have to work a lot harder to learn very quickly.

English players in the academies can become complacent. Essentially they are content to play youth football because at the age of 16 some of them are on £20k a week. Which club in Belguim or Portugal will pay that.

Something that may have impacted on Nwakali negatively and made him complacent. Aqua