Anas09:
God is my Father.

Anas09:

I didn't refer to you here. I may be missed quoted you. I meant it for alBHAGDADI, not you.

Anas09:

Don't bother KAZE, This arguements won't lead us anywhere. Let's just leave it and wait to die and see.
Apst Paul says; Now all we can see of God is like a cloudy picture in a mirror. Later we will see him face to face. We don't know everything, but then we will, just as God completely understands us.
1 Corinthians 13:12
Give or take, 50 yrs from today most of us here wld be dead, and all will be open in yonder lands. If Jesus is wrong abt everything, then whatever will become of Him shall be the lot of us who hold unto Him tenaciously. I won't regret being wherever He will be.

FOLYKAZE:


Lol!!!

This should be an intellectual discussion, where we rub minds and learn. I am not here for argument or debate. No time for win/lose game, not me.

If I may ask, why are waiting till after 50yrs before you meet Jesus? Why can't you guys that have strong faith in Jesus and Heaven just take sniper and leave us unbelievers to slug it out with Armageddon?

Let's be serious. I don't know if you have heard about Jonestown in Guyana, USA. In that small settlement called Jonestown, there is a Christian group called The Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ. They have this strong idea that they will join Jesus Christ in heaven when they die, just like you are doing now.

Why am I bringing this across to you? In November 18,1978 in Guyana, a heroic event happened that struck the world with complete awe. A total of 918 members of the group committed mass suicide.

If this people believe they would meet Jesus, and that after death they will be in heaven where they are going to enjoy eternal life, and took the easiest route away from suffering, evil, unending sins, temptation, just like you believe too, why can't you Christians and you especially take your own life?

Why would you want to continue suffering, endless pain, temptation and sin? You've have always fantasies eternal life as a christian, why can't you just grab it by taking a drop of sniper?

Mufftylaff, jesusjnr, OkCornel, Makschinchin and other Christians on this thread. Please answer the question.

If you believe you will join Jesus in Heaven after death, and that you will enjoy eternal life with all the bliss, living past suffering and pains, why can't you guys follow the step of The Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ of jonestown

FOLYKAZE:
Lol!!!

This should be an intellectual discussion, where we rub minds and learn. I am not here for argument or debate. No time for win/lose game, not me.

If I may ask, why are waiting till after 50yrs before you meet Jesus? Why can't you guys that have strong faith in Jesus and Heaven just take sniper and leave us unbelievers to slug it out with Armageddon?

Let's be serious. I don't know if you have heard about Jonestown in Guyana, USA. In that small settlement called Jonestown, there is a Christian group called The Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ. They have this strong idea that they will join Jesus Christ in heaven when they die, just like you are doing now.

Why am I bringing this across to you? In November 18,1978 in Guyana, a heroic event happened that struck the world with complete awe. A total of 918 members of the group committed mass suicide.
If this people believe they would meet Jesus, and that after death they will be in heaven where they are going to enjoy eternal life, and took the easiest route away from suffering, evil, unending sins, temptation, just like you believe too, why can't you Christians and you especially take your own life?

Why would you want to continue suffering, endless pain, temptation and sin? You've have always fantasies eternal life as a christian, why can't you just grab it by taking a drop of sniper?

Mufftylaff, jesusjnr, OkCornel, Makschinchin and other Christians on this thread. Please answer the question.

If you believe you will join Jesus in Heaven after death, and that you will enjoy eternal life with all the bliss, living past suffering and pains, why can't you guys follow the step of The Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ of jonestown

MuttleyLaff:
FOLY, tbh with you, I have being watching and keenly reading as an innocent bystander and normally would have responded to your call-out and shout out saying: FOLY You're on your own buddy, but I had to make an exception, to let you know, that believers arent someone expected to go out on a limb nor are they expected to succumb to whims and caprices like taking their lives with sniper or whatnot. Who does that hmm, who does things like that FOLY? I'll tell you who do. Its only sheeple or cults who do things like that. "Awọn, ti wọn ti fi ori wọn, gba paarọ" means those whose brains have got swapped

FOLY, just so you know and for the records, I learn more from you when you stick to intellectual discussions than when you're larking about and playing to the gallery.

Fyi, believers let self die, they dont deliberately or consciously unneccesarily take their lives or give their lives away. Nobody exits until they fulfil the purpose and/or reason they are put on earth for. Even if you drink sniper, "ti Ọlọjọ ba sọpe ọjọ oo ti pe, koi ti ya lati pada wale nkọ, hmm? Nigbati asiko ba de, wọn a pe wa sir, asiko o ti ya, ko iti kan wa, so no need for sniper. Ẹse gan, a dupẹ" loosely translated means "What if the Owner of breath, says no death today, you're too young to die? Listen, when it is anyone's turn, the gim reaper will surely, on time, show up, so means, now, is not the time to die or to toy with death aided with sniper. No need for sniper. Thank you very much"

FOLYKAZE:
My good friend Muffy, you dey dance galala on top simple and straight question.

FOLYKAZE:
Peter was a believer, had no strong faith but still went on, stepping out of the ship and had his feet in the ocean. Common sense states that he cannot walk on the surface of water. Common sense also state that his weight will make him rapidly find himself on the Ocean bed, about 15,000 metre above sea level but he still went ahead because he had faith. He knew he can die...but found his foot on the water because he believe. So why are you turning the post now? Ti ogun eni ba dani loju, a ma fin gbari ni.

FOLYKAZE:
Many believers in eternal life who found themselves in any religion take their lives. This is what they believe so they cannot be wrong. Incidence like this has been happening before Jesus was born and it is happening till tomorrow. This is not peculiar to Christianity alone. In fact, the most recent mass suicide caused by religion conviction happened in Uganda on Mar 17, 2000 where 778 members of Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God took their lives.

FOLYKAZE:
Another thing, the reason because you live today is because you chose to live, not because of Olojo or God. You chose to look the road carefully before you cross it. If God or olojo is protecting you, you should have closed your eye and cross to the otherside of express and see if trailer no go knock you down. This applies to every aspect of life. If you want to die now now, there are 100,000,000 ways with which olojo or God wont save you

FOLYKAZE:
If I may ask, why should anyone want to endure suffering, pains and injuries on this earth when there is a better heaven where there is no pain at all, where there is eternal bliss and merriment? Common guy, na heaven sure pass na...then go. You no dey collect visa or pay for ticket, na free route.

FOLYKAZE:
Many have done it, many will still do it. If you believe and have faith that there is heaven, you can do it too.

FOLYKAZE:
Abi you no like sniper? I go suggest fast-food that csn end life

MuttleyLaff:
Ọrẹ, I've given you a honest truthful and straightforward answer, but you dont want to have it ni. Look at how you walked and stepped on it below with your ill informed understanding of what transpired with Peter, all because you are unaware of the facts. Just thank Eledumare, that I am here to shed light on this for you. Dont mind me, dont even thank me because its on the house

MuttleyLaff:
, foly, here are 5 facts about Peter and that eventual experience of walking on water:
1/ Peter got clearance and/or authorization to go forth and walk on water
2/ Peter only stepped out on the word, command and beckoning of Jesus Christ
3/ Peter in spite of his weight, defied the law of gravity and did not sink when he put his foot on the surface of water because Peter was standing on the word of Jesus. Praise the Lord!. Somebody shout Hallelujah! Oh I am almost getting goose pimples typing this
4/ Peter kept on being afloat and walked on the water surface for as long as he kept his eyes locked and fixed on Jesus, staring at Him
5/ The moment fright got the better of Peter and he diverted his gaze from locked on looking at Jesus, his short-lived publicity stunt was over, as he suddenly began sinking. If not for Jesus making make a lunge to save him, he would have drowned

MuttleyLaff:
As I've previously told you FOLYKAZE, believers arent anyone expected to go out on a limb nor are they expected to succumb to whims and caprices like taking their lives. Life is for living, life is for the experiencing, life is for to "gbadun" (i.e. for to enjoy), life is for to jollificate, life is for "ka fẹyawo, ka bimọ" (i.e. to marry, to have kids) ...

MuttleyLaff:
"Yi ẹsẹ rẹ, si apa kan, ma se pa kokoro ni. Kokoro ti iwọ, o le da. Ọlọrun lo le da" loosely translated means "Hey, stop, dont step on that insect to kill it. An insect you are unable to create, its an insect only God is capable of creating" If insects' lives are that sacred and important, how much more are human beings' lives.

MuttleyLaff:
If some day, I have a death wish, maybe I will just try jaywalk across a busy 26-lane highway, like you've advised, but for now, no can do, as I dont want to die now.

MuttleyLaff:
eternity, why the hurry to get in there

MuttleyLaff:
Who send them? "Talo bẹ, Jero wọn, ni isẹ"

MuttleyLaff:
"Erekere" as in, unplayful thing. Why I go like sniper?. Shey sniper be food ni? Dem dey chop sniper for una house ni? Please ooo, I no wan jam "agbako" (i.e. calamity). "Aiye dun ju iya sniper lọ" loosely translated means "life is better that topping yourself with a suffering of sniper"

FOLYKAZE:
Lol. The answer I wanted is some that addresses my question. And I haven't found any sir.

My question is based in suicide and the Christian view on it. I argued that since they have heaven, they shouldn't be here. When there is an eternal bliss and enjoyment, why enduring long suffering, pains, sickness, wearing and tearing of the body?

Bible record some number of suicide. King Saul, Judas, Abimelech, Samson, Ahithophel and Zimri. At no point was there action discriminated. We may use Samson as another case study.

Peter attempted suicide and could have drown in that faith test. Like you have laced your argument on Jesus comandment, would you care to note that same Jesus cursed this world and blessed heaven?

FOLYKAZE:
Revelation 12:12 Rejoice then, O heaven and you that dwell therein! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time has come

The world today is under the rulership of Satan. As a result of this, people will face so much suffering, torment, pain, tribulations, agony and sickness. Did God created Christians to suffer and endure pain for years? Anas09 even want us to suffer for another 50yrs. Which kind mentality be that when there is a heaven where joy is filled and everyone therein rejoices?

FOLYKAZE:
True, Peter was commanded by Jesus to attempt suicide.

FOLYKAZE:
It is also truth that Jesus instructed his followers not to find life
When Jesus says, “Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it” Matthew 10:39

FOLYKAZE:
Egbon, there is no enjoyment in life that has already been cursed by Jesus. What we have here are pains, suffering and torment. Moreso, there is eternal life in heaven, Christians should go there and live it with eternal bliss.

FOLYKAZE:
Samson took it, Jesus submitted his life to God. They both committed suicide.

FOLYKAZE:
Why shouldn't other Christians do the same?

FOLYKAZE:
Fela song title Amen comes to mind. Suffer suffer for world, enjoyment for heaven.

The question is, do you enjoy and want more suffering? You go be original sufferhead

FOLYKAZE:
A member of the Order of Solar temple left a farewell letter stating that deaths would be an escape from the "hypocrisies and oppression of this world."

Christians too could come up with excuse that the world is hell already, and pick ticket to heaven.

FOLYKAZE:
God/Jesus.

If they had wanted end to suffering on earth, they would have sent Satan to Pluto and bless the world. Rather, they sent Satan here, compound our suffering and also cursed the world.

FOLYKAZE:
Oh ye Man of little/no faith, what business have you and Satan and his kingdom? The kingdom of God is your abode, move them.

FOLYKAZE:
Ti ajo o ba gbeni, ile la n f'abo si. Me cannot come and be suffering if I get sure heaven o.

FOLYKAZE:


Lol. The answer I wanted is some that addresses my question. And I haven't found any sir.

My question is based in suicide and the Christian view on it. I argued that since they have heaven, they shouldn't be here. When there is an eternal bliss and enjoyment, why enduring long suffering, pains, sickness, wearing and tearing of the body?

Bible record some number of suicide. King Saul, Judas, Abimelech, Samson, Ahithophel and Zimri. At no point was there action discriminated. We may use Samson as another case study.



Peter attempted suicide and could have drown in that faith test. Like you have laced your argument on Jesus comandment, would you care to note that same Jesus cursed this world and blessed heaven?

Revelation 12:12 Rejoice then, O heaven and you that dwell therein! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time has come

The world today is under the rulership of Satan. As a result of this, people will face so much suffering, torment, pain, tribulations, agony and sickness. Did God created Christians to suffer and endure pain for years? Anas09 even want us to suffer for another 50yrs. Which kind mentality be that when there is a heaven where joy is filled and everyone therein rejoices?

True, Peter was commanded by Jesus to attempt suicide. It is also truth that Jesus instructed his followers not to find life

When Jesus says, “Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it” Matthew 10:39



Egbon, there is no enjoyment in life that has already been cursed by Jesus. What we have here are pains, suffering and torment. Moreso, there is eternal life in heaven, Christians should go there and live it with eternal bliss.



Samson took it, Jesus submitted his life to God. They both committed suicide. Why shouldn't other Christians do the same?



Fela song title Amen comes to mind. Suffer suffer for world, enjoyment for heaven.

The question is, do you enjoy and want more suffering? You go be original sufferhead

"Kosi kanju, kanju", there is no rush to go, Heaven is for

A member of the Order of Solar temple left a farewell letter stating that deaths would be an escape from the "hypocrisies and oppression of this world."

Christians too could come up with excuse that the world is hell already, and pick ticket to heaven.




God/Jesus.

If they had wanted end to suffering on earth, they would have sent Satan to Pluto and bless the world. Rather, they sent Satan here, compound our suffering and also cursed the world.



Oh ye Man of little/no faith, what business have you and Satan and his kingdom? The kingdom of God is your abode, move them.

Ti ajo o ba gbeni, ile la n f'abo si. Me cannot come and be suffering if I get sure heaven o.

MuttleyLaff:
FOLYKAZE, there is no answer than you dont venture into something not commanded, ordained or expressly asked to do by God

Just seven suicides and one attempted suicide. One got clearance from God and the other six didnt. FOLYKAZE, of course you know the symbloic meaning of the number 6. Those seven deaths with the exception of Samson, got no authorization from God before taking their lives or for it to proceed and/or take place. They are deaths brought about and caused by man without God having a say in the choice or decision

"I protest by your boasting which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily."
- 1 Corinthians 15:31

Ooh, c'mon my guy, dont be like that. What you mean Peter was commanded by Jesus to attempt suicide? You really believe Peter was commanded by Jesus to attempt suicide, hmm? Or you're just having a bit of a wind up and a laugh, erhn?

Well fyi, we are not finding life, we are living it and thank you, whoever loses their life for Christ's sake, will find and have it back in the hereafter, is what Matthew 10:39 means FOLYKAZE. Capisce now, hmm?

Have you read anywhere in the Bible ever of God hurrying anyone back, hmm? I dont think you have. Something must kill a man, man will one day die, so, what's the hurry about erhn?

You wont let go of Samson sha, even after being told he took permission and this, for obvious and mitigating reasons, was granted

Jesus submitted his life to God, for God's purpose. Jesus did not in any sense at all, commit suicide. Jesus was killed sentenced to death on trumped up charges, by a biased lot and a kangaroo court trial

They are not permitted to

"Ani kosi kanju, kanju", I repeat there is no rush to go, Heaven is for eternity, why the rush and hurry to get in there

We are to rough it together on earth, not escaping from it

Not God/Jesus
I am not 100% sure how it works in Yoruba cosmology, I guess you might be able to shed light on that, but as far as I am know, the Earth is a market place and school, while experience is its hardest kind of teacher of all. We are here on earth to be tested first and then have the lesson after the test. We stay put on earth, nobody on own volition exits. It is only God that has a say in when the time is up to exit.

Parallel kingdoms for now running side by side things going on. I happen to be in the good kingdom parallel one

I too, I cannot come and be suffering, thankfully as things are, I am enjoying and chopping life, and this trend will continue in the hereafter too. "O ti di dandan." It's a sure banker.

Anas09:

If you are going to quote me, pls say what I said not lie with my moniker. I told you not to worry about my responses to you any more. I told you that in 50yrs time from now, most of us alive now will be dead, then we all shall understand all the things we find hard to understand now. I never said we shld suffer. Pls stop lying with my moniker, I hate lies.

As a matter of fact, leave me out of your mentions.
.

Makschinchin:


Dear FolyK, I'm not living my life today following the footsteps of the Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ. I am following the footsteps of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Makschinchin:

Jesus didn't commit suicide, so why should I??
Apostle Paul didn't commit suicide, so why should I??
John the Baptist didn't commit suicide, so why should I??
Peter didn't commit suicide, so why should I??
Stephen didn't commit suicide, so why should I??
There's no place in the Bible where any of Jesus' disciples committed suicide, so why should I

Makschinchin:

I didn't give myself life, I didn't bring myself to this world so why should I kill myself.. Why should I purposely commit murder on my own self and go to hell (as I believe) ??

Maximus69:
Please can anybody here tell me what is going on?
Because the rule to love our enemies only works amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, and i don't think those debating on this topic have anything to do with the one and only organization preaching and teaching LOVE!

alBHAGDADI:


The Jehovah's False Witnesses love their enemies so much that they always attack the Catholic Church in their weekly Awake and Watchtower magazines.

Well, we are tired of hearing you telling us that they are the only group doing... blah blah blah

MuttleyLaff:
FOLY, there is no answer than you dont venture into something not commanded, ordained or expressly asked to do by God

MuttleyLaff:
Just seven suicides and one attempted suicide. One got clearance from God and the other six didnt. FOLY, of course you know the symbloic meaning of the number 6. Those seven deaths with the exception of Samson, got no authorization from God before taking their lives or for it to proceed and/or take place. They are deaths brought about and caused by man without God having a say in the choice or decision

MuttleyLaff:
"I protest by your boasting which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily."
- 1 Corinthians 15:31

MuttleyLaff:
Ooh, c'mon my guy, dont be like that. What you mean Peter was commanded by Jesus to attempt suicide? You really believe Peter was commanded by Jesus to attempt suicide, hmm? Or you're just having a bit of a wind up and a laugh, erhn?

MuttleyLaff:
Well fyi, we are not finding life, we are living it and thank you, whoever loses their life for Christ's sake, will find and have it back in the hereafter, is what Matthew 10:39 means FOLYKAZE. Capisce now, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Have you read anywhere in the Bible ever of God hurrying anyone back, hmm? I dont think you have. Something must kill a man, man will one day die, so, what's the hurry about erhn?

MuttleyLaff:
You wont let go of Samson sha, even after being told he took permission and this, for obvious and mitigating reasons, was granted

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus submitted his life to God, for God's purpose. Jesus did not in any sense at all, commit suicide. Jesus was killed sentenced to death on trumped up charges, by a biased lot and a kangaroo court trial

MuttleyLaff:
They are not permitted to

MuttleyLaff:
"Ani kosi kanju, kanju", I repeat there is no rush to go, Heaven is for eternity, why the rush and hurry to get in there

We are to rough it together on earth, not escaping from it

MuttleyLaff:
Not God/Jesus
I am not 100% sure how it works in Yoruba cosmology, I guess you might be able to shed light on that, but as far as I am know, the Earth is a market place and school, while experience is its hardest kind of teacher of all. We are here on earth to be tested first and then have the lesson after the test. We stay put on earth, nobody on own volition exits. It is only God that has a say in when the time is up to exit.

MuttleyLaff:
Parallel kingdoms for now running side by side things going on. I happen to be in the good kingdom parallel one

MuttleyLaff:
I too, I cannot come and be suffering, thankfully as things are, I am enjoying and chopping life, and this trend will continue in the hereafter too. "O ti di dandan." It's a sure banker.

Maximus69:

Jesus complained about falsehood but never killed any of his enemies! Jehovah's Witnesses point to falsehood emanating from human traditions, yet we will NEVER raise a weapon against anyone including those seeking to kill us! Matthew 26:52
So get the sense of what others are saying Sir, before jumping into a podium, otherwise you'll end up exhibiting insensitivity towards the REAL topics of discuss!

alBHAGDADI:


@bold

What is he coming back to do? To hug his enemies?

Oh, I forgot. He's coming back for the only group doing... blah blah blah

Maximus69:


OH sorry Sir, i thought he warned his followers NEVER to judge {kill} anyone {Matthew 7:1} because he is coming back to do justice! Revelations 22:12

alBHAGDADI:


And who mentioned killing anyone here?

Oh, I forgot. It's the only group doing... blah blah blah

Maximus69:


So you're defeated as you can't quote his words yet arguing bitterly out of the scriptures just to suit your crooked mind! Isaiah 54:17

FOLYKAZE:
How did I miss this post? What you got Sis



The common denominator between you, and members People Temple of the Disciple of Christ is that followership of the footsteps of Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Just as you do, they believe in Jesus too. And that clause validate my question.



As per the bold, isn't Judas a disciple of Jesus? He committed suicide right?

I can use Jesus's death as a case for supporting suicide to Christians.

You may not accept it but Jesus death is suicidal.



Let me firstly address the emboldened. I can count, on the tips of my finger, people that committed suicide in the bible. None of these people is recorded that they are in hell. As a matter of fact, every soul that die now is in sheol, a place best known as hell. So death isn't a sin that takes one to hell.

In case you missed my point, I am not asking you or anyone to take their life without any reasons. I gave my reasons why suicide should be considered.

1. The hellish condition of the world today. Compounded suffering, pains, agony, illness, hunger, strive, depression, tribulation, temptation and poverty. I can go on and on. Why should you endure suffering when you can easily put an end to it?

2. The current world is under the rulership of Satan. A good christian would want to live in the heavenly kingdom under the rulership of God and Jesus.

3. Instinctively, every person want everything good to himself and loved ones. That which is good is abundant, limitless and infinite in heaven. As a Christian that is convinced heaven is real, why would you want to remain on earth suffering in pain and agony?

4. Arguably, murder is an act of taking someone's life, and as such it is crime legally and religiously. But, suicide isn't murder as you ain't taking someone else life but your own life. And there is no account in the bible where God frowned or condemned such act. In fact, he opened his hands and accept suicidal souls, fastening their death.

With these points, a christian do not have any reason to be here.

alBHAGDADI:


What is this one talking about?

Maximus69:
Please can anybody here tell me what is going on?
Because the rule to love our enemies only works amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, and i don't think those debating on this topic have anything to do with the one and only organization preaching and teaching LOVE!

FOLYKAZE:
Oh dear, you are mixing things up here. In a very simple definition, Suicide is the act of intentionally causing one's own death. Please note the keyword 'intent'. This implies that the person that take or cause his own life do it within his consent and will, not will of God. Therefore, God cannot expressively ask someone to kill himself.

FOLYKAZE:
But unlike Islam, God in Christianity do not condemn suicide action. In the case of Samson, God authorized and assisted in completing the suicide mission just as Samson requested. If God do not accept suicide, he would have decline such request and allow Samson die naturally. With this act, one can argue that Jehovah ordained, accept and approve suicide.

FOLYKAZE:
Another case is Abimelech suicide death in Judge 9:50-56. His death is suicide. Abimelech caused his own death by asking his men to kill him. This type of suicide is called Assisted suicide. And if you noticed, God did not punish him for committing suicide, he rather punished him for killing his 70 brothers.

FOLYKAZE:
The two cases reveal that God truly accept suicide.

FOLYKAZE:
Neither did God outrightly condemn any of them for killing themselves.

FOLYKAZE:
The bible also hold that men are destined to die once. Maybe the verse you quote is talking about spiritual death.

FOLYKAZE:
Revelation 12:12 Rejoice then, O heaven and you that dwell therein! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time has come

The world today is under the rulership of Satan. As a result of this, people will face so much suffering, torment, pain, tribulations, agony and sickness.

When there is a better home in God abode, where there would be no more pains and sufferings, where sickness would be thingy of the past, I wonder why you do not want to accelerate yourself there.

FOLYKAZE:
Suicide by drowning is the act of deliberately submerging oneself in water or other liquid to prevent breathing and deprive the brain of oxygen.

Peter is aware that he could die if he eventually sunk but he took the risk because he had faith in Jesus. What he did was suicidal.

That incident, in a real sense can be described as Jesus asking Peter to attempt Suicide.

Same Satan took Jesus to the high point and asked him to jump. That is a suicide mission because if he jumped, and God refused to levitate and soft landed him, he will die.

FOLYKAZE:
Hahahaha

Instinctively, no one want to die. People want to enjoy life to it fullness. The survival instinct, struggle to continue live, fight against what could take one life is equivalent to finding life.

FOLYKAZE:
Peter was finding life for Jesus, which is why he defend him by cutting off the ear of the soldier that came to arrest him. A typical example of finding life.

FOLYKAZE:
Another case is Stephen, he could have asked God to struck those stoning him to death. But he prayed and subjected his life to God.

FOLYKAZE:
The case is not same with you and other Christians here. Y'all want to find life upon all the pains and sufferings on earth.

FOLYKAZE:
Yes, Enoch was hurried taken away from Earth by God

FOLYKAZE:
My argument is backed with reasons too.

1. The suffering and agony, tribulation, diseases and sin on earth.

2. The current world is under the rulership of Satan.

3. Heaven is a better place to be.

Samson went through lot of pains, humiliations and suffering which he requested to put an end to. King Saul went through same experience too. Christians are facing same problems as Samson and King Saul

Samson and King Saul do not want to die in the hand of Philistines. This is applicable to today as Christians should advocate for living with God in heaven under the rulership of Jesus instead of been under Satan (Philistine)

FOLYKAZE:
It is called
Altruistic suicide sir.

Another form of suicide that relates to Jesus death is called 'Indirect Suicide'.

This is the act of setting out on an obviously fatal course without directly committing the act upon oneself. Indirect suicide is differentiated from legally defined suicide by the fact that the actor does not pull the figurative (or literal) trigger. Examples of indirect suicide include a soldier enlisting in the army with the express intention and expectation of being killed in combat, or someone could be provoking an armed officer into using lethal force against them

FOLYKAZE:
But same God authorised termination of Samson life, and do not condemn Saul or Abimelech for taking their lives? An approval is acceptance.

FOLYKAZE:
So you are arguing they should continue suffering?

FOLYKAZE:
Yoruba cosmology support suicide so please abort it. Sango committed suicide by hanging. Ogun committed suicide by disappearing in Ire. Orunmila angrily left earth and never returned. These are heroic suicide and martyrdom. Kakaki majesi sesin, a fi iku bora.

So drop that Yoruba spirituality view abeg.

FOLYKAZE:
Lol. Whatever you smoke is strong.

FOLYKAZE:
Another one !

Baba God cursed man and said he shall earth from his sweat, till the soil for food and labor to survive. Get sick, wrinkle and old and die. This one no apply to you shey?

Oga, the enjoyment of on earth is vanity, sayeth King David. Like a flame, it will vanish for the dead do not known account of his life.

I just can't fathom how you want to grasp on purported vanity, stick to pains and suffering, diseases and tribulation when you have heaven with all the bliss

Maximus69:
Please can anybody here tell me what is going on?
Because the rule to love our enemies only works amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, and i don't think those debating on this topic have anything to do with the one and only organization preaching and teaching LOVE!

alBHAGDADI:


This one is saying that Jehovah's False Witnesses practice love for enemies. Guess what happens when one of them decides that he doesn't want to be a JW member anymore?

They shun him totally, no greetings from them anymore. His family even disown him.

Yet, he says they love their enemies.

At the end of this thread, everyone will see why I'm right while they are wrong. Gradually, the lies of "pro-love everybody" are begining to surface. By then, we will all see that there can't be love without hate, just as short is the reason why we have tall.

Maximus69:


You're right Sir,
There can't be TRUE Love without discipline! 1Corinthians 5:12-13 compared to 2John 9-10
But the point is WE MUST NOT KILL! Matthew 26:52

alBHAGDADI:


This one is saying that Jehovah's False Witnesses practice love for enemies. Guess what happens when one of them decides that he doesn't want to be a JW member anymore?

They shun him totally, no greetings from them anymore. His family even disown him.

Yet, he says they love their enemies.

At the end of this thread, everyone will see why I'm right while they are wrong. Gradually, the lies of "pro-love everybody" are begining to surface. By then, we will all see that there can't be love without hate, just as short is the reason why we have tall.

MuttleyLaff:
Please stop making fetch happen jor. Who doesnt know that suicide is causing ones death intentionally. You just arent seeing the forest for the "intent" trees

MuttleyLaff:
I mentioned to you about the just seven suicides and one attempted suicide in the Bible, but it just went swoosh over your head, like as it was a Naija Airforce fighter jet. I hinted at one person getting clearance from God about his intent to kill himself unlawfully whereas the other six didnt. I then asked you FOLY, whether of course you know the symbloic meaning of the number 6 for the total number of suicide committed without involving God in it.

MuttleyLaff:
I emphasised that those seven deaths with the exception of Samson, got no authorization from God before taking their lives nor involved God for it to proceed and/or take place. They are deaths brought about and caused by man without God having a say in the choice or decision. They are ungodly deaths, they are death of man and not of God, not santioned by God, hence why their number is 6. The number of man.

MuttleyLaff:
God doesnt condone nor condemn suicide. People, case in point Elijah, Jonah etcetera have approched God for one reason or the other, with their suicidal thoughts of wanting to die. So what am I trying to say here FOLY? I am putting it to you that, God does decline suicidal thoughts and/or suicide requests when the intents are made known to Him

MuttleyLaff:
"He quickly said to his young armor bearer,
“Draw your sword and kill me! Don’t let it be said that a woman killed Abimelech!”
So the young man ran him through with his sword, and he died."
- Judges 9:54

FOLYKAZE, to say I am horrified at your example choices, is saying the least. Abimelech was an evil man through and through to the core. He was an already dying male chauvinist pig, who didnt want to lose face by people knowing that a woman caused his death, he got men to assist with finishing him off and make it look like he himself killed himself

MuttleyLaff:
God accepted Samson's suicide request and allowed, but God never received a suicide request from Abimelech nor the other 5, He allowed the 6 to happen. Like I previously said, something must kill a person, a man has to one day die, so why wouldnt God allow the 6 to die, especially, if bent on killing themselves, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
What's there to condemn about?

MuttleyLaff:
The verse is teaching not to be selfish, not be self centred, not to be wrapped up in oneself to the extent being preoccupied with oneself only, which exactly is what suicidal thoughts and/or committing suicide is all about. It is about being only concerned about self, yourself to the exclusion of others, how they'll feel, how they'll suffer etcetera

MuttleyLaff:
"⁵You will not fear the terror of the night, nor the arrow that flies by day,
⁶nor the plague that stalks in darkness, nor the pestilence that destroys at noon.
⁷Though a thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand, no harm will come near you.
⁸You will only see it with your eyes and witness the punishment of the wicked.
⁹Because you have made the LORD your dwelling— my refuge, the Most High—
¹⁰no evil will befall you, no plague will approach your tent.
¹¹For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.
¹²They will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
¹³You will tread on the lion and cobra; you will trample the young lion and serpent. "
- Psalm 91:5-13

MuttleyLaff:
We have shown and explained the 5 facts concerning what transpired on that eventful day of Peter walking on water, but you know, you've lost ground, this is why now you now are clutching at straws mate.

Peter saw Jesus first walking on water, and so asked if he too can do same, but ooh no, FOLY, insists it was foolhardy of Peter to want to copy what he is seeing Jesus do before his own "korokoro" eyes. FOLY, foly, you're a laugh and a half.

MuttleyLaff:
Nothing wrong in that. Life is to enjoy nau

MuttleyLaff:
I literally laughed out loud here at you gaffe that Enoch was hurried taken away from Earth by God. Hilarious.

MuttleyLaff:
FOLY how many times do we have to keep coming up this garden path, erhn? For the umpteenth time, Samson's suicide was approved and of God, while King Saul's suicide was unapproved, not of God, thus making it a suicide that's of man

MuttleyLaff:
You're right, all you are doing is being just argumentative for argumentative sake

MuttleyLaff:
OK sir, if it'll make you happy, I concur without any demur. At least, Jesus did it with God's approval

MuttleyLaff:
"¹To everything there is a season,and a time for every purpose under heaven:
² time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot,
³time to kill and a time to heal,a time to break down and a time to build,
⁴time to weep and a time to laugh,a time to mourn and a time to dance,
⁵time to cast away stones and a time to gather stones together, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
⁶time to search and a time to count as lost,a time to keep and a time to discard,
⁷time to tear and a time to mend,a time to be silent and a time to speak,
⁸time to love and a time to hate,a time for war and a time for peace. "
- Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

You really dont get the picture, do you FOLY?. Aside the very instructive Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 above, there is no premature exit, especially, not before you first start and finish fulfilling your purpose on earth. Do you not notice how Jesus tarried until time, when all of sudden, He, in John 12:23, said:"... The time has come for the Son of Man to be glorified."