jesusjnr:
See let me tell you something that you may not understand.

There are certain things that you cannot get except it is given to you from God, so i can't continue to argue with you on this matter, for unless you yield yourself to God to a certain extent, you can keep breaking down the scriptures however you like from now til next century, but you'd never get the Truth of it, for only God can give you that.

Jesus said love your neighbors as yourself, so that prayer clearly goes contrary to that, but if you can't see that, then what should I do anas09, break your head into two and put it inside?

Pray for God to protect those your neighbors and as you prayed for Him to protect you, if He does or does not, fine.

But in so doing you have obeyed the teachings of Jesus to love your neighbors as yourself, and the blessing that follows keeping this His Word shall follow you.

budaatum:

Who said anything about "outside scripture" Anas? Is God in Scripture? Imagine God examining buda, lol! The buda who would always fail God exam and therefore relys of God's Grace. You funny 09.

How I know the God that breathed into the mud that I was is by continuously diligently seeking God in God's [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+17%3A20-21&version=KJV]Kingdom[/url] of course! And God does not examine me, but continously educates me instead.

GoodMuyis:


See we understand your point of view and message which is LOVE and some of us have testimonies to that effect.
It is not difficult to understand Matt 5: v9, v43-48, it clearly teaches that "Love your enemies", even more weightier than "Love your neighbour" as you stated above. But you writing on this forum to invalidate the scripture is unacceptable and show lopsided understanding of the scripture that is why we need to cross-reference most times be balanced in understanding.

In Luke 10:1-19
Who are the devils subject to the Disciples of Jesus Christ?
Who are the serpents, scorpions and enemy Jesus Christ gave his disciples power over?

When Peter protest Jesus going to the Cross, do you think Peter is the one talking on his own?
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot.... how he might betray him unto them

While we are to Love our enemy Satan and his agents are excluded, we are to resist subdue them in all ways. Personal victory is not enough, territorial subdue is needed for evangelical progress. People are slave to sin because the 1,000 and the 10,000 are have not fall yet. Therefore pray that all of them in there legions should fall.

Anas09:

Wow. Jjnr. The Ps 91 vs 7 you turned upside down has nothing to do with loving or not loving ones neighbor.

You turned it upside down and said, "A thousand shall fall at MY right and ten thousand at MY left", when it fact it says "A thousand shall fall at YOUR right hand side and ten thousand at YOUR left hand side. Someone is making that declaration to another person.

No Christian (as you try to depict) is wishing anyone evil in your Op.

And, if both of us shd take that verse toe to toe rightly dividing that scripture you twist, you'd see how wrong you are. But, I know you'd still hide behind the Holy Ghost.

Anas09:

Oh, thanks

But, the thread is about TB Joshua and doesn't even say much. Is Fatai Balogun the same as TBJoshua?

GoodMuyis:


Because my moniker is going to be a brand but Google search shows that you have created some posts/comments that are damaging factor to the Brand name and i hate to see those things on google search

OLAADEGBU:


Yes, Fatai is his real name. Browse through the link and you will see what Fatai has been up to.

Anas09:

So, Jesusjnr is TBJoshua's disciple?

OLAADEGBU:
Yes, Fatai is his real name. Browse through the link and you will see what Fatai has been up to.

jesusjnr:
Lol!

I am not only TB Joshua's disciple, but also the disciple of Kumuyi and every other church leader i endorse.

For they are all satanists by virtue of my endorsement!

So says the blind fool and ignorant swine.

Anas09:


So, Jesusjnr is TBJoshua's disciple?

jesusjnr:


Lol!

I am not only TB Joshua's disciple, but also the disciple of Kumuyi and every other church leader i endorse.

For they are all satanists by virtue of my endorsement!

So says the blind fool and ignorant swine.

MuttleyLaff:


OLAADEGBU, I am not saying TBJ is a saint, or that butter wont melt in his mouth, but just saying that, if that clip's voice is really and truly TBJ's, there was nothing wrong in the conversation. It was a typical TBJ lack of sophistication style of speaking. I am not surprised TBJ is calling someone out of the blues, because he is known for his well publicised altruistic acts, so I wont put pass him making a call like this, But , and with a capital B, I strongly dont believe he made that call with ulterior sexual motives in mind. There however is something odd about the phone call that smells fishy, like:
1/ Who records their mobile phone calls?
2/ What gave the call receiver to have the presence of mind to begin recording an unknown number mobile phone call?

OLAADEGBU:


Tell me one thing you have in common with Pastor Kumuyi, certainly not his teachings?

jesusjnr:
Lol!

I am not only TB Joshua's disciple, but also the disciple of Kumuyi and every other church leader i endorse.

For they are all satanists by virtue of my endorsement!

So says the blind fool and ignorant swine.

GoodMuyis:


I don't know how difficult it is for you to always remember that: I do not want you to quote or mention me in your post again

NOTICE: Be aware that I have made it a crime for you to mention or quote me in any of your content either in or outside of this platform

Truthsbitter:
lol... even Judas fell at the side of Jesus ..
what about the thief by the side of his cross who was crucified along side but yet had to fall.

that will not be our portion and the portion of those close to us but the one that refuses to follow God will at one point fall, if you over stretch your hands you follow fall join.

jesusjnr:
More like liessweet for Jesus would never say such a prayer, for if it was not Jesus but up to people like you, that both thieves at his side would not only fall, but you would rejoice when they fall.

But Jesus buttressed the difference and justified the purpose of this thread, that we should not be inclined to destroy but to save. So that those who are not saved at the end would only fall because there was nothing that could be done about them.

Truthsbitter:

lol...people like me?
I am very sure you that claim the love of life doesn't even have it. just like the vipers.

anyhow you want to see it, Judas fell at the side of Jesus so did the thief and it shows that judgement must come whether on the wicked whether you love them or not. it doesn't mean you don't love them or you don't pray for them. Do you have more than the love of Christ ? can you die the way he did for the world? yet Judas was judged for his decision and actions so was the thief by Jesus and all the powers of against the body of Christ to which Jesus was against therefore if those to fell even at the side of Jesus , they fell because they were against him and they fell because he defeated them, it was solely his judgement upon them. or didn't he judge Judas when he prophesied of his downfall ? didn't he judge the other thief when he made the statement that one will go with him to paradise and the other won't?

oga live your life ...it's a personal call. I respect it but make sure you stand sure before condemning another.

jesusjnr:
Do you understand what it means to condemn another?

I am saying here what Jesus would say if He were here, that you shouldn't pray such a prayer that is inclined to destroy/condemn and not to save human lives. For do you truly think that Jesus would say such a prayer?

Now tell me what's the difference between such a prayer and those who pray for their enemies to fall and die as many of the church do these days?

For there's not much difference, and someone that finds no fault in that fall and die prayer would easily pray this prayer, but the reason I wouldn't is because such fall and die prayers are both contrary to the purpose for which Jesus came, which was to save men's lives and not to destroy them.

So if I say I would not say amen to such prayer which condemns others or is inclined to their being destroyed, how could that possibly be condemning others?

Maybe it's actually condemning the condemning and destructive spirit of those of today's church.

p.s. No one can die like Christ did for others, but I can die for Christ's name sake for the sake of others to be saved.

Truthsbitter:

whatever bro..

be sure who and what you're dying for.

jesusjnr:
Not whatever. Do you pray for people to fall and die?

If you do, you are going contrary to the teachings of Jesus and therefore in danger of the fire of hell.

jesusjnr:

Truthsbitter:

Here you stand condemning again...what ever you say.

if I have to pass judgement by the spirit of the living God just as peter did,then will.
and guess what, it would be completely in line with Gods righteousness and teachings.

already you stand so much against the bible (the word of God you claim to live by) by denying the judgement Jesus passed on Judas , the thief , and all all who go against his will (to burn in hell everlastingly).you stand against the word of God that says "suffer not the witch to live",against the judgement peter made by the spirit of God, against the words of God through the spirit of God in David ( the man after Gods heart).
you are like Saul (obedience is better than sacrifice).
the spirit leadeth and when one disobey, that is the real disobedience.
sin against the father can be forgiven , against the son can be forgiven , against the spirit is unforgivable.
I am not standing against the love of God and by same love that settle deep in my heart I live.

jesusjnr:
No wonder.

I was right, that you are them them who pray for their enemies to die contrary to the teachings of Jesus that you shouldn't.

I feel pity for people like you, for you don't even know that such words as "suffer not a witch to live" have been abolished by Jesus who made it possible for you to have salvation.

Truthsbitter:

lol....you know absolutely nothing about me but I see everything about you.

You need the fullness of Christ .

OLAADEGBU:


If you say that you follow Kumuyi then learn of the futility of vainglory in the thread below except you are only paying lip service.

https://www.nairaland.com/1896050/daily-manna-futility-vainglory/45#down

jesusjnr:
You are spiritually blind, and yet you see everything about me.

You need to be obedient to the Words of Jesus, for any such words in the Bible that make you go contrary to His Words, are not valid, and would be detrimental to you.

Jesus died for you, not anyone else.

OLAADEGBU:


If you say that you follow Kumuyi then learn of the futility of vainglory in the thread below except you are only paying lip service.

https://www.nairaland.com/1896050/daily-manna-futility-vainglory/45#down

jesusjnr:
Lol!

I am not only TB Joshua's disciple, but also the disciple of Kumuyi and every other church leader i endorse.

For they are all satanists by virtue of my endorsement!

So says the blind fool and ignorant swine.

jesusjnr:
I can't keep wasting time with a swine who refuses to leave the scumfilled pit he is, because he sees it as the cleanest place ever.

Matthew 7:6 (KJV)

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Truthsbitter:

hehehehe...

oga Jesus please do save the world
.

I am not the devil in your way.
i don't intend to be an obstacle to the gospel Christ, do have a nice day.

Holy spirit in the unfailing love of God will guide through by your faith in Christ .

jesusjnr: