TWoods:


I would guess any that does not have the US government supporting you or subsidizing the discount should be ok.

Again for clarity...discounts are not the issue, but absolute amount paid...and of course the US want to issue fewer visas to Nigerians...which, as I always say is their prerogative. It's the only reason i can think of for rejecting someone who paid 21k from what @trakos said.

Meanwhile TWoods, you never responded to this my post, care to comment?? Anyway I take your post in bold above today to be a response and a covert apology for globally bashing discounts

https://www.nairaland.com/4250945/give-birth-usa-cost-procedures/303#78508649

Vlesparza:


This is incorrect. In terms of revenue (If this is the loophole you are referring to because no one is paying for their bills), international patients pay the same (actually a little more) than Medicaid and most insurance companies. Also, there is less paperwork since the payment is upfront and the patient is only seen for a fraction of the time of a US Resident goes to prenatal care. Im not sure who you are referring to is paying their discount because no one is paying us.

Please stop lying! Like someone said, I understand your position on this since this is your source of income but saying self pay patients pay more than Medicaid patients is absofuckenlutely incorrect.

Tell that lie to Nigerians who don’t know what’s up. I worked and still work for a healthcare insurance company that also insures Medicaid and Medicare patients and if not that I will run afoul of HIPAA laws, I would have pulled some claims data real quick and uploaded screenshots here. To let you know how much Medicaid pays for childbirth and associated expenses.

Nope! Self pay patients pay farrrrr less than what insurance pays hospitals and doctors. I had a baby a few months too, I know how much I paid out of pocket and how much my insurance was billed and how much they eventually paid. And I have top notch insurance, Anthem Blue Cross to be precise.

So, please get your facts straight and right.

trakos:
VO: (looks through our passports and asked DW when she got to her UK visa page) why havent you been to the UK Ma'am ?
DW: I just got the visa last month (I renewed mine and DW got 2years as her first in May)

You just got a UK visa in the Month of May and a decision from Canada in the same month. Ironically the visa office responsible for handling your Canadian Visa application was in London. I don't think that was a coincidence.

VO: Have you recently been denied a visa to another country
Me: April/May
VO: So did you re-apply? I mean to Canada
Me: Yes ,this time for only my wife but no response yet
VO: Why? why not you too
Me: Because I really don't need to be there
DW: (DW cuts in) and he will also be on training that period .

Now you stated that this trip isn't important to you and you sacrificed your reapplication to give her a better chance. This sacrifice did not go unnoticed by the VO. She was probably wondering why you want your wife to "desperately" see her friend in Canada when there are more important matters on ground like having a baby.

Applying four times within the same period, to three countries out of the Five Country Conference, may have caused them to doubt your purpose of visit.

@trakos

So sorry about your story. It's a very sad one.
These embassies actually share information with one another and canada may have been preview to the fact that you recently got a UK visa, then US will say why didn't both of you travel with your UK visa.

Most importantly, did you indicate in your US visa application that you had been recently denied a Canadian visa? Usually that is a red flag for US as they may say you withheld relevant information in case you did not. This just tells me that these people do verify and cross check information before issuing visas.

I would say take a short trip to the UK with your wife and come back, if you have Schengen visas pass through Europe for 2 days and come back home with those stamps on your passports before applying again to either Canada or US for the third time. My husband and i took an 8 day holiday in my fifth month to two countries with a 4 day transit. During our Canada application we attached our pictures, flights and hotel receipts for those trips and it may have helped our chances.we applied for Canada a month after we returned.

This time around, try an expedited US appointment as you have already paid your medical fees, attach all your receipts as well.

I always advise anyone applying for visas to start as early as possible so you can use the visas for at least one holiday trip before birthing with it if you aren't applying directly for a medical visa.

trakos:
I know some of us here have been waiting for me to share this transcript , believe me I had it in mind all these while but I got so busy in the last few weeks that it became "work" for me to sit down and type something this long.Especially with the plot twist(like in a movie) that made the story a long one.But I knew I was going to to do it eventually , for others to learn from it.

Choi! You did absolutely well, with the Americans particularly, you beat them squarely but for the underlying Canada application issue of having not "declared Child Birthing" therein, you can hardly blur that thinking by them that you wanted to go birth in Canada without declaring same in your application (even I will hardly believe otherwise despite all your very smart explanation which of course you weren't opportune to do effectively during your US visa application follow-up interview).

Your credibility is eroded already by that "small" doubt on the balance of probability and hangs in the air surely. Seems too they are validly "poke-nosing" in your relationship with Canada and by extension protecting themselves. Pretty sorry this didn't pan out right for you and your wife, I commiserate with you both. May the best be yours however!

trakos:



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Nawa oh. Dis is really sad. Annoying in fact. See better genuine people,with better job, better money to spend. Shuo


This cracked me up tho.
VO: You can check google ,Canada healthcare ranks 30th whereas US is 37th on the list (wetin concern me with ranking, I later checked and confirmed she was right though)
Who ranking epp?

Well, I wish you best in your endeavour and safe delivery to you guys.

Hi, my wife is 11 weeks into her pregnancy and i want her to go and have the baby in the US. we currently have a son that is 2years 7months old that was born in Nigeria. can i apply for medical visa for the 3 of us or just my wife and my son? i am planning for her to go to Maryland, any recommendation of good hospital will be appreciated as she had our 1st baby tru C&S. thank you

Biolaw:
Hi, my wife is 11 weeks into her pregnancy and i want her to go and have the baby in the US. we currently have a son that is 2years 7months old that was born in Nigeria. can i apply for medical visa for the 3 of us or just my wife and my son? i am planning for her to go to Maryland, any recommendation of good hospital will be appreciated as she had our 1st baby tru C&S. thank you

Medical for your DW and tourist visa for you and your kid.

Please I have gone two times to renew my USA visa and was denied.... they said my bill during my last childbirth in the USA was too small, they said I was given a discount. Please what should I do because I need to be in the USA in November by all means. Am I supposed to contact the hospital to pay them back the discount they gave me? Please I really will appreciate any useful information. God bless

Sorry about the denials....My husband was in the US about two months back and went to the hospital for this same reason...He told them he was ready to pay the discount,but they insisted they will not take it back because it's their policy and can't change it because of me. How much was your bill by the way?

Hello house please what's the name of the form one would need to fill and take to the embassy for consent to child getting his American passport.

A link would be appreciated.

Please must you have up to 6 months on your passport in order to apply for a US Visa? Or can you apply with your passport that has 2 months before it expires but go with a new passport?

I need to book a date and I want to know if I can do it with my passport that expires in 2 months time.
I have also paid the gt visa fees on this passport.

Please help

Google DS 3053 and you'll get it.

inizo:
Hello house please what's the name of the form one would need to fill and take to the embassy for consent to child getting his American passport.

A link would be appreciated.

Please I’m still asking, what can I do, was refused visa because they said my bill is too small and I was given discount. What can I do because I already applied again. I have to be in the US by November so I really need to know how to solve this.

cugwuanigbo:
Please I’m still asking, what can I do, was refused visa because they said my bill is too small and I was given discount. What can I do because I already applied again. I have to be in the US by November so I really need to know how to solve this.

Calm your horses to start with.

Now, why must you be in the US by November, is it a matter of life or death? Rushing to pay and apply for same visa you were just refused might be perceived as being desperate. IMO

I suggest we all piped-down on this US visa renewal for now, hopefully these refusals to genuine travellers will fizzle out in months or years to come.

abi @seyewest and @omobendel whaddaya think?
Peace

Maybe she has an important meeting or work related stuff to attend. But then, she didnt say.
I believe that's why people arent responding. People are more obliged to profer solutions when they see genuineness and sincerity of heart.

I've not had the experience so cant advise. Thanks

overlord77:


Calm your horses to start with.

Now, why must you be in the US by November, is it a matter of life or death? Rushing to pay and apply for same visa you were just refused might be perceived as being desperate. IMO

I suggest we all piped-down on this US visa renewal for now, hopefully these refusals to genuine travellers will fizzle out in months or years to come.

abi @seyewest and @omobendel whaddaya think?
Peace

TripleKMama:
Maybe she has an important meeting or work related stuff to attend. But then, she didnt say.
I believe that's why people arent responding. People are more obliged to profer solutions when they see genuineness and sincerity of heart.

I've not had the experience so cant advise. Thanks

True @bolded

cugwuanigbo:
Please I’m still asking, what can I do, was refused visa because they said my bill is too small and I was given discount. What can I do because I already applied again. I have to be in the US by November so I really need to know how to solve this.

I'll advise you to calm down and stop sounding desperate, as it would becloud your ability to make sound judgements.

If the November trip is that important, I'll suggest you quickly contact the hospital where you had your baby and request for the itemized bill. You can then request to pay the full value of the bill without the discount adjustments.

That way, you'll be paying the 100% hospital bill without any discounts or waivers earlier granted as a cash paying patient. The payment receipts can then be tendered at your next interview, and hopefully you'll be granted your visa. I know people who recently did this and have gotten their visas renewed. They paid between $7k to $14k in addition to their previous bills based on the revised unadjusted invoice, and they got their visas.

From recent reports I got from people who got their visas renewed/denied, the visa officers might not even tell you outrightly that they're denying you on the basis of a low hospital bill, to avoid lawsuits even though we know that's what they're doing.

You just can't keep doing the same thing (applying for the visa) without changing strategies and expecting a different result. You'll probably get denied, as they'll see you as desperate and will ask you what has changed between your last application and now.

Be very strategic about your next interview, so as not to ruin your future chances in the long run.

All the best...

nikkygal:


I'll advise you to calm down and stop sounding desperate, as it would becloud your ability to make sound judgements.

If the November trip is that important, I'll suggest you quickly contact the hospital where you had your baby and request for the itemized bill. You can then request to pay the full value of the bill without the discount adjustments.
That way, you'll be paying the 100% hospital bill without any discounts or waivers earlier granted as a cash paying patient. The payment receipts can then be tendered at your next interview, and hopefully you'll be granted your visa. I know people who recently did this and have gotten their visas renewed. They paid between $7k to $14k in addition to their previous bills based on the revised unadjusted invoice, and they got their visas.

From recent reports I got from people who got their visas renewed/denied, the visa officers might not even tell you outrightly that they're denying you on the basis of a low hospital bill, to avoid lawsuits even though we know that's what they're doing.

You just can't keep doing the same thing (applying for the visa) without changing strategies and expecting a different result. You'll probably get denied, as they'll see you as desperate and will ask you what has changed between your last application and now.

Be very strategic about your next interview, so as not to ruin your future chances in the long run.

All the best...

this is a big fat lie. No hospital will accept any other payment after you’ve been given zero balance. Even if one takes Medicaid, you can’t pay it back. The major problem is not discount but the American Government, trying to cut down on birth tourism. Most people try again and they are given. Patients should just tell the VO’s they were given discount but didn’t request for it. The only thing patients can do again is to get a letter from the hospital that didn’t take Medicaid. Hospitals seldom do that but you can have your way around it. A lady got renewed after two denials with the same story of paying just $4,600.

nikkygal:


I'll advise you to calm down and stop sounding desperate, as it would becloud your ability to make sound judgements.

If the November trip is that important, I'll suggest you quickly contact the hospital where you had your baby and request for the itemized bill. You can then request to pay the full value of the bill without the discount adjustments.

That way, you'll be paying the 100% hospital bill without any discounts or waivers earlier granted as a cash paying patient. The payment receipts can then be tendered at your next interview, and hopefully you'll be granted your visa. I know people who recently did this and have gotten their visas renewed. They paid between $7k to $14k in addition to their previous bills based on the revised unadjusted invoice, and they got their visas.

From recent reports I got from people who got their visas renewed/denied, the visa officers might not even tell you outrightly that they're denying you on the basis of a low hospital bill, to avoid lawsuits even though we know that's what they're doing.

You just can't keep doing the same thing (applying for the visa) without changing strategies and expecting a different result. You'll probably get denied, as they'll see you as desperate and will ask you what has changed between your last application and now.

Be very strategic about your next interview, so as not to ruin your future chances in the long run.

All the best...

What exactly are you on about? Lawsuit for what?

TripleKMama:

Google DS 3053 and you'll get it.

Thanks triple

justwise:


What exactly are you on about? Lawsuit for what?

I know of people who decided to sue the US consulate in the last few months because of this issue and I'm speaking emphatically. I will only say what I know but I won't divulge more than that.

They were denied visas based on the same reasons of the bills too low, with discounts even as a self-pay patient, even though of course it's not stated on the pink letter. The visas that were now denied were working visas based on overseas transfers etc and that has led to lawsuits being filed.

You don't have to believe me, I'm just a spectator & I've said that my piece. No further comments.

Enjoy.

babyfaiz:
this is a big fat lie. No hospital will accept any other payment after you’ve been given zero balance. Even if one takes Medicaid, you can’t pay it back. The major problem is not discount but the American Government, trying to cut down on birth tourism. Most people try again and they are given. Patients should just tell the VO’s they were given discount but didn’t request for it. The only thing patients can do again is to get a letter from the hospital that didn’t take Medicaid. Hospitals seldom do that but you can have your way around it. A lady got renewed after two denials with the same story of paying just $4,600.

Again, I'm speaking of what I know and instances that I'm 100% sure of. None of my own people ever used medicaid!!!! I never mentioned medicaid in my post either. I made references to adjustments and discounts and where the hospital later took out the discounts, and allowed them pay the balance.

I recognise that hospitals are different and some might not accept further payments once you've been discharged, but it's outlandish to now make that blanket statement that it's impossible!

I would only speak in instances I'm very sure of that has played out by being a witness to. As a matter of fact, I'll be going to follow up for a close relative on one of such instances at a hospital next week as the conversation has been initiated already.

America is huge and hospital policies differ. Medicaid is a totally different ball game and I've also heard that you can't refund medicaid, but I remember a few years ago on this thread someone said she found a way around it...I can't remember the details anymore.

I won't be quick to calling anyone a liar, especially since not all circumstances are the same and people will always tell you the version that they want you to know.

Anyway, believe whatever you want. I'm done with the banter & will go back to silent mode.

Enjoy.

nikkygal:


I know of people who decided to sue the US consulate in the last few months because of this issue and I'm speaking emphatically. I will only say what I know but I won't divulge more than that.

They were denied visas based on the same reasons of the bills too low, with discounts even as a self-pay patient, even though of course it's not stated on the pink letter. The visas that were now denied were working visas based on overseas transfers etc and that has led to lawsuits being filed.

You don't have to believe me, I'm just a spectator & I've said that my piece. No further comments.

Enjoy.

What is the outcome of that lawsuit? Lawyers making a killing out of people's ignorant

justwise:


What is the outcome of that lawsuit? Lawyers making a killing out of people's ignorant

Can you explain what is ignorant about sueing a consulate? You lot speak like you work with the VO's & at the consulate.if a government can be sued why cant the consulate be sued? Yes their visa can or might be a privilege but it doesn't make them immune to a lawsuit.

AAESO:



Can you explain what is ignorant about sueing a consulate? You lot speak like you work with the VO's & at the consulate.if a government can be sued why cant the consulate be sued? Yes their visa can or might be a privilege but it doesn't make them immune to a lawsuit.

Its completely ignorant to think that you can sue the embassy because they denied you a visa, you don't have a right to be issued a visa, its not business transaction. Even if the embassy denied you a visa with no reason at all you still can not sue them.

You can appeal or complain about refusal but to think that you can sue them its ignorant and waste of time and money.

The same way no foreigner can sue Nigerian embassy anywhere in the world for visa refusal.

Please how were you able to solve your ETC issue? Are you back to Nigeria now? Expecting your response

delectabledee:

Has anyone been able to get a visa or emergency travel certificate for their babies recently.
Please help me with the process.... It's super urgent!

Hi. How did you sort out the ETC issue?

jaykinde:
Please house has anyone used Emergency Travel Certificate recently this June....

Please assist with any info

Thank you

AAESO:

Can you explain what is ignorant about sueing a consulate? You lot speak like you work with the VO's & at the consulate.if a government can be sued why cant the consulate be sued? Yes their visa can or might be a privilege but it doesn't make them immune to a lawsuit.

If you’re talking about a US consulate, and you are not a US citizen, the answer is that you cannot.
who is not a citizen of the United States, and not a resident of the United States, has no specific rights under the US Constitution, and more specifically no due process rights. Without a Constitutional basis for a lawsuit, the claim falls afoul of sovereign immunity.

The issuance of a US visa by the consular officers of the United States is a gratuitous act on behalf of the people of the United States. Nobody has a right to be issued a visa, and nobody has the right to sue for not being offered a visa. If you don’t like the terms of the arrangement, you’re free to shop for another country to visit.

Pls can we use Abuja for a medical visa interview, and my daughter of 4 yrs is to travel with my husband .I ll be very busy with work exams and also nursing a child..He can take care of d child very well.Do I need a document to prove he can take care of the child.

I have noticed justwise SUPPORTS everything doctoresesparati says no matter how dumb and the reasons are not far fetched!!!

Lawyer = to suing? Really what about arbitration/ appealing etc
what about a breach of contract against the hospital for an unsolicited adjustment forcing them to eitheh formally write the embassy on this matter or accepting this discount back which would automatically change the basis for denials.

Since u donno n u don’t want to hear from those who know khip misleading people and “suspecting innocent people”,whilst the real mecenaries hound their victims for cash...

Anyone is free to abuse me the Truth remains a Bitter pill.

Qei2u:
I have noticed justwise SUPPORTS everything doctoresesparati says no matter how dumb and the reasons are not far fetched!!!

Lawyer = to suing? Really what about arbitration/ appealing etc
what about a breach of contract against the hospital for an unsolicited adjustment forcing them to eitheh formally write the embassy on this matter or accepting this discount back which would automatically change the basis for denials.

Since u donno n u don’t want to hear from those who know khip misleading people and “suspecting innocent people”,whilst the real mecenaries hound their victims for cash...

Anyone is free to abuse me the Truth remains a Bitter pill.

...either you can't read and comprehend or you are deliberately being a troll.