Respond to my questions and adeprof18, no need to post screenshots they've seen it all, reply with words, answer him one by one according to the points he made


Then proceed to respond to my own points i raised one by one, incase you missed them, here they are again below




Audience confirm, he couldn't afford, and then we settled for 3 designs, which i willingly offered a fourth design free. Making two out of three designs, did i not have the right to request for advance payment to be sure my service was insured ?


1. When he posted this thread here did he contact me with solid reasons that he was withdrawing the project and why he was?


2. Did he give any reasons for project withdrawal ( especially since it was immediately after i requested for an advance payment?


3. Looking at his sample sketch and the work produced, is there any flaw in the client's request and what was produced?


4. Check his thread, the time this thread was opened, and the time i submitted the designs, if it was done in good spirit, look at the time he posted the thread you'll observe it was some 30 minutes after i asked for payment, ask the Op/client, did he inform me he was rejected the work/or won't be accepting the for for any solid reasons before withdrawing the project to create this thread?


5. Please ask the client if his actions are in good spirit if he had anytime informed me he was withdrawing the work and if he stated reasons and if he requested for revision and i refused.


6. Ask the Op if the project wasn't far into 36/48hours before he made this withdrawal and created this post here


7. Ask the Op when when he withdrew the project and posted this thread if he informed me even after 12hours later


8. Ask the Op to state his reasons for withdrawing the project and see if they are valid, ask him how far the logo design is from what he asked me to produce

healthserve:
Hahaha who suggested putting the logo inside a ring?


Wasn't it me after i finished the designs?


If it's a lie show us the circle in your so called sample sketch. You ingrate, do you ever conceive such idea if i didn't suggest it? Please guys ask this dude who's shamelessly displaying his crude antics here



Before i mentioend it, show me where you mentioned it.


The sample logo for the circle concept, who brought the sample? And who proposed the idea. Tell them o

Has it gotten to name-calling ?

healthserve:
Hahaha who suggested putting the logo inside a ring?


Wasn't it me after i finished the designs?


If it's a lie show us the circle in your so called sample sketch. You ingrate, do you ever conceive such idea if i didn't suggest it? Please guys ask this dude who's shamelessly displaying his crude antics here



Before i mentioend it, show me where you mentioned it.


The sample logo for the circle concept, who brought the sample? And who proposed the idea. Tell them o

Health just let everything goes by, it's business. just count your lost and move on.

wwwtortoise:


Has it gotten to name-calling ?

No need for guilt tripping and psychological blackmail. Ignore that part, you have many questions to answer, attend to them, the people want to know

Offpoint:


Health just let everything goes by, it's business. just count your lost and move on.

I have. I feel sorry for the designer on my team who spent lots of hours doing the work. And want the next designer to be aware and careful. I also want him to know when he's path keeps blocking he would remember the source of his problems. Because you said this, i'll vacate this thread and not bother to comment easily.

Offpoint:

According to all those screenshots, those designs were sent to you for REVIEWS, so stop acting like that was the final project sent to you. There are rooms for corrections if the bargain didn't went sour.


I'm yet to see a reason why you have to rehired another designer instead of settling whatever issues you both had.

From the screenshots so far, things were going fine until an upfront payment was demanded.

Sorry If it sounds like I'm taking side, I'm a designer too and have had similar issues with some clients here and I know what it feels like.

Let's this issues be settled amicably.

Lols
I like your biased diplomacy.

No need @bolded your reason for being bias is obvious; he is a graphic designer just like you.

Need i remind you countless times i have been scammed online? No, i will pass .... i just had to be cautious too.

Anyways, thanks for your input.

healthserve:




I have. I feel sorry for the designer on my team who spent lots of hours doing the work. And want the next designer to be aware and careful. I also want him to know when he's path keeps blocking he would remember the source of his problems. Because you said this, i'll vacate this thread and not bother to comment easily.

Indeed!

Spare me those crap.

I have your account details and i will reward your effort and time accordingly when i finally get verdict here. This little business mishap will not stop my business and I from soaring high.

Save this post for records sake.

wwwtortoise:


Indeed!

Spare me those crap.

I have your account details and i will reward your effort and time accordingly when i finally get verdict here. This little business mishap will not stop my business and I from soaring high.

Save this post for records sake.

If you send me any money, God will punish you. Don't send me anything. Continue. Like i said, karma has a way of rewarding anyone. If you send me any money, i will withdraw it, curse it and give it to a beggar or native doctor. Be warned.


Audience i leave in peace as suggested by offpoint. I leave it to Karma to balance the account guys. Bless

healthserve:





If you send me any money, God will punish you. Don't send me anything. Continue. Like i said, karma has a way of rewarding anyone. If you send me any money, i will withdraw it, curse it and give it to a beggar or native doctor. Be warned.


Audience i leave in peace as suggested by offpoint. I leave it to Karma to balance the account guys. Bless

Coward !

Don't bring religion into this. You will regret if you do so.

Take this as a friendly free advise.

I'll appreciate if the both of you can sheath your swords now...

The next couple of posts will convey my opinion(s).

Thank you.

@healthserve...

Bro, calm down...

Your blood dey hot.
With your aggressive approach to the client, anybody will want to think twice.
I've also had clients who had trust issues and I do my possible best to allay their fears by providing my personal social media handles and having them go through it.
This way they see my friends and family members and understand I have everything to lose by scamming them.
I refer them back to Nairaland too, to see if I have any negative reviews or anything of sorts.

Me offering to design for a client as a form of gaining their trust does not translate to them committing to the project.
That still counts as advert because until they actually make that deposit payment, they have not committed to anything.

Also, I think 75% deposit is a little on the high side especially for someone who doesn't even trust you yet.
I'm sure if you had requested about 50% or less, the conversation would have gone a whole lot differently.

The conduct of both parties was anything but professional.

Designers don't talk, we design.

The fact that you suggested extra modifications to the initial idea of the client doesn't make you a superhero.
You were trying to secure a deal, you did what was necessary.
You are not just a designer to your client, you are also an adviser.
If your client had brought a sketch that you knew would have had a negative effect to his potential consumers,
would you have gone ahead and designed it regardless?
If your answer is Yes, then maybe you are in the wrong field.

I've lost count of potential clients that wanted to do the irrelevant things first but I advised otherwise.
Yes I gained nothing from it because that means they needed to re-strategize and I'll lose out on their deal at that point.
But my conscience feels better and the client also remains thankful.
What would I have gained making a design that's useless to the client?
Am I a designer just to make money or also to provide professional services that will POSITIVELY impact on my clients' businesses?
Or what is my gain as a designer when I go ahead to do as the client wants only for my design to be seen as useless to the growth of the business eventually and thrown in the thrash?

You both never had a contract,
Just a gentlemen's agreement.

What if the client had paid 75% upfront, would you still have been so rash and disrespectful towards him?
And if he felt unsafe at a point, would you have agreed to negotiate to return part or all of his deposit?

He offered to pay you for your time, don't you think that's fair?

If you took a uber and started feeling unsafe due to the driver's approach, will you continue the trip or end it?
Can the driver force you to go the whole distance all because he felt your fears are unfounded?
Will you also pay the full fee for a trip you ended?

Let's be rational please.
I'm a designer as well but experience has taught me better.
I flatly refuse jobs without deposit regardless of the price, that saves me a lot of worries and stories that touch.

Offering to go half way with a design is not the way to address a client's insecurities.

wwwtortoise:


Coward !

Don't bring religion into this. You will regret if you do so.

Take this as a friendly free advise.

You call me coward
And threaten me abi. Okay.

@wwwtortoise...

Please remove the screenshots with the designer's account details and also those with your own personal details,
thank you.

erad:
@healthserve...

Bro, calm down...

Your blood dey hot.
With your aggressive approach to the client, anybody will want to think twice.
I've also had clients who had trust issues and I do my possible best to allay their fears by providing my personal social media handles and having them go through it.
This way they see my friends and family members and understand I have everything to lose by scamming them.
I refer them back to Nairaland too, to see if I have any negative reviews or anything of sorts.

Me offering to design for a client as a form of gaining their trust does not translate to them committing to the project.
That still counts as advert because until they actually make that deposit payment, they have not committed to anything.

Also, I think 75% deposit is a little on the high side especially for someone who doesn't even trust you yet.
I'm sure if you had requested about 50% or less, the conversation would have gone a whole lot differently.

The conduct of both parties was anything but professional.

Designers don't talk, we design.

The fact that you suggested extra modifications to the initial idea of the client doesn't make you a superhero.
You were trying to secure a deal, you did what was necessary.
You are not just a designer to your client, you are also an adviser.
If your client had brought a sketch that you knew would have had a negative effect to his potential consumers,
would you have gone ahead and designed it regardless?
If your answer is Yes, then maybe you are in the wrong field.

I've lost count of potential clients that wanted to do the irrelevant things first but I advised otherwise.
Yes I gained nothing from it because that means they needed to re-strategize and I'll lose out on their deal at that point.
But my conscience feels better and the client also remains thankful.
What would I have gained making a design that's useless to the client?
Am I a designer just to make money or also to provide professional services that will POSITIVELY impact on my clients' businesses?
Or what is my gain as a designer when I go ahead to do as the client wants only for my design to be seen as useless to the growth of the business eventually and thrown in the thrash?

You both never had a contract,
Just a gentlemen's agreement.

What if the client had paid 75% upfront, would you still have been so rash and disrespectful towards him?
And if he felt unsafe at a point, would have have agreed to negotiate to return part or all of his deposit?

He offered to pay you for your time, don't you think that's fair?

If you took a uber and started feeling unsafe due to the driver's approach, will you continue the trip or end it?
Can the driver force you to go the whole distance all because he felt your fears are unfounded?
Will you also pay the full fee for a trip you ended?

Let's be rational please.
I'm a designer as well but experience has taught me better.
I flatly refuse jobs without deposit regardless of the price, that saves me a lot of worries and stories that touch.

Offering to go half way with a design is not the way to address a client's insecurities.

Interesting. God bless Sir

erad:
@wwwtortoise...

Please remove the screenshots with the designer's account details and also those with your own personal details,
thank you.

Alright, i will do as you said.

I would also want him to delete the picture attachments of my logo and business card he posted on his 1st post on this thread as it gives out wrong information.

Ps: i suggest this thread is locked or better still closed.

@erad

Thanks for your mature and rational standing on this issue. People like you are hard to find on the cyberspace.
You've earned my respect sir.

Thanks once again.

@healthserve

Regardless of the tantrums we have thrown at each other, i want to apologize for any perceived wrongdoing on my part.

Thanks.

healthserve:
No need. Here are the designs


Cc offpoint



Funlord what do you say to this, a client comes says they want some designs done but won't pay an advance payment cause they're being careful bla bla bla. Playing the fool I had the concept designed. After the first design was made, asked for deposit after all its beyond the point of doubt only for client to say he won't pay until three days time and used the condescending cliche. Just get it done. I'll pay you when the time is right. Follow me please. I tint, meanwhile the revision has been made, the work had. Been done, next thing client did because I asked for advance payment was to come here create a thread an rehire another handler after someone had done and completed the job.


Is this not service scam? Tell me Funlord offpoint aktem Lewis plus adeprof18 Deporps adefemi007 elveco erad prof800


Is this not derogatory and high handedness. Or should a worker be fearful of asking for his legitimate wage for service rendered? As for the op I'm sure he's also an entrepreneur, little things that can be avoided people refuse to take heed till it brings upon them calamity that will cost them mighty things

@erad
@healthserve

I will appreciate if this logo and com.card are deleted as it doesn't give true information that i intend my business to portray.

Thanks

Lolz. You can just imagine. Smh

wwwtortoise:
@erad

Thanks for your mature and rational standing on this issue. People like you are hard to find on the cyberspace.
You've earned my respect sir.

Thanks once again.

@healthserve

Regardless of the tantrums we have thrown at each other, i want to apologize for any perceived wrongdoing on my part.

Thanks.

No need to apologise. I have lifted the case to Karma to judge and appropriate to each one according to his deeds

erad:
@healthserve...

Bro, calm down...

Your blood dey hot.
With your aggressive approach to the client, anybody will want to think twice.
I've also had clients who had trust issues and I do my possible best to allay their fears by providing my personal social media handles and having them go through it.
This way they see my friends and family members and understand I have everything to lose by scamming them.
I refer them back to Nairaland too, to see if I have any negative reviews or anything of sorts.

Me offering to design for a client as a form of gaining their trust does not translate to them committing to the project.
That still counts as advert because until they actually make that deposit payment, they have not committed to anything.

Also, I think 75% deposit is a little on the high side especially for someone who doesn't even trust you yet.
I'm sure if you had requested about 50% or less, the conversation would have gone a whole lot differently.

The conduct of both parties was anything but professional.

Designers don't talk, we design.

The fact that you suggested extra modifications to the initial idea of the client doesn't make you a superhero.
You were trying to secure a deal, you did what was necessary.
You are not just a designer to your client, you are also an adviser.
If your client had brought a sketch that you knew would have had a negative effect to his potential consumers,
would you have gone ahead and designed it regardless?
If your answer is Yes, then maybe you are in the wrong field.

I've lost count of potential clients that wanted to do the irrelevant things first but I advised otherwise.
Yes I gained nothing from it because that means they needed to re-strategize and I'll lose out on their deal at that point.
But my conscience feels better and the client also remains thankful.
What would I have gained making a design that's useless to the client?
Am I a designer just to make money or also to provide professional services that will POSITIVELY impact on my clients' businesses?
Or what is my gain as a designer when I go ahead to do as the client wants only for my design to be seen as useless to the growth of the business eventually and thrown in the thrash?

You both never had a contract,
Just a gentlemen's agreement.

What if the client had paid 75% upfront, would you still have been so rash and disrespectful towards him?
And if he felt unsafe at a point, would you have agreed to negotiate to return part or all of his deposit?

He offered to pay you for your time, don't you think that's fair?

If you took a uber and started feeling unsafe due to the driver's approach, will you continue the trip or end it?
Can the driver force you to go the whole distance all because he felt your fears are unfounded?
Will you also pay the full fee for a trip you ended?

Let's be rational please.
I'm a designer as well but experience has taught me better.
I flatly refuse jobs without deposit regardless of the price, that saves me a lot of worries and stories that touch.

Offering to go half way with a design is not the way to address a client's insecurities.

Well said.