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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 4:36pm On Aug 02, 2019
PDPGuy:

For me, it’s a stupid strategy by some of the candidates in attacking Obama’s legacy. The candidates think that by attacking Obama, the independents and Republicans in the Midwest/Rust belt will vote for any of them; which is complete hogwash.

What would turn the swing state voters towards the Dems are policies that would bring jobs and affordable healthcare for all.

Its actually the no hope candidates that are helping to ruin the legacies of Obama. I will now see how they will turn around to say Obamas/Democrats policies are good, when they were the ones who openly criticized it in public

When we say Dems are clueless this just proves it

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TheShopKeeper(m): 5:16pm On Aug 02, 2019
PDPGuy:

For me, it’s a stupid strategy by some of the candidates in attacking Obama’s legacy. The candidates think that by attacking Obama, the independents and Republicans in the Midwest/Rust belt will vote for any of them; which is complete hogwash.

What would turn the swing state voters towards the Dems are policies that would bring jobs and affordable healthcare for all.


...so far...just like what happened during the crowded republican presidential debates in 2015...i just don't see any of these democrats candidates as presidential...which is rather unfortunate for the democratic party...
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:29pm On Aug 02, 2019
The corrupt lunatic dems are up to their shenanigans again. They have wiped the records of Kamala Harris arrest records as attorney general of California. There's no doubt she is one of the chosen candidates of the corrupt establishment to enthrone their curroptocracy in the US

https://freebeacon.com/politics/california-removes-arrest-reports-from-kamala-years/

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 6:41pm On Aug 02, 2019
CORRUPT BASTARDS

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by PDPGuy: 6:48pm On Aug 02, 2019
raumdeuter:


Its actually the no hope candidates that are helping to ruin the legacies of Obama. I will now see how they will turn around to say Obamas/Democrats policies are good, when they were the ones who openly criticized it in public

When we say Dems are clueless this just proves it
And when one of either Harris, Warren, or Sanders clinches the nomination, Trump would waste no time in using the attacks from the no-hopers on his campaign ads. He would say “If they openly attack their former president and his policies, then why should you vote for them”.

Yes, some Republican candidates attacked the legacy of George Bush 43, but those attacks were, at best tepid, or limited to the Iraq war quagmire. None of them went on a broadside on his entire legacy as president.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Anduku: 7:11pm On Aug 02, 2019
NOW THIS IS A REAL LEADER cool

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by PDPGuy: 7:16pm On Aug 02, 2019
Trump has withdrawn the nomination of Rep Ratcliffe for Director of National Intelligence...
His next pick would likely be Rep Devin Nunes, who has served on the House Intel committee for the last two years. Plausibly, Nunes has significantly more experience with intel issues than Ratcliffe.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by zendi: 8:49pm On Aug 02, 2019
I don't think a politician had ever pulled these sizes of Trump Rally crowds in the history of US. Democrats can win this election only by rigging, so Repubs and Trump Campaign had better beware as many on the left are on a do or die mission to evict Trump from the White House.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timbuktuo: 11:37pm On Aug 02, 2019
TheShopKeeper:



...so far...just like what happened during the crowded republican presidential debates in 2015...i just don't see any of these democrats candidates as presidential...which is rather unfortunate for the democratic party...

Lol, Trump has set the bar high. I can only imagine how he will wipe the floor with these pathetic bunch. If he zipped Hilary's lips, these children will be abused when the inter-party debates happen. grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Temple1288(m): 11:49pm On Aug 02, 2019
Anduku:
NOW THIS IS A REAL LEADER cool

Now one of those Rappers that turned to Trump hating machines.. He forgot he was first a citizen of the USA! Now let's see if he'd admit Trump helped to get him out!

I just love the Don

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 12:28am On Aug 03, 2019
PDPGuy:

And when one of either Harris, Warren, or Sanders clinches the nomination, Trump would waste no time in using the attacks from the no-hopers on his campaign ads. He would say “If they openly attack their former president and his policies, then why should you vote for them”.

Yes, some Republican candidates attacked the legacy of George Bush 43, but those attacks were, at best tepid, or limited to the Iraq war quagmire. None of them went on a broadside on his entire legacy as president.

I love a fair contest and it pains me to see the Dems in this type of clueless disarray
Try to give Trump a fair fight. Let me tell you With Socialist Sanders and Warren, Trump wont even need to campaign. He will simply ask the voters, Do you want to be a Socialist/Communist country like Eastern Europe Venezuela, Cuba Russia?

Harris is a joke. Biden is the only worthy opponent,

If dems start trashing Obama well good luck in 2024 as they can forget 2020

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Temple1288(m): 12:57am On Aug 03, 2019
grin grin


Those burglars wanted to have a taste what they've been missing since 1996

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Blues00: 2:14am On Aug 03, 2019
raumdeuter:


I love a fair contest and it pains me to see the Dems in this type of clueless disarray
Try to give Trump a fair fight. Let me tell you With Socialist Sanders and Warren, Trump wont even need to campaign. He will simply ask the voters, Do you want to be a Socialist/Communist country like Eastern Europe Venezuela, Cuba Russia?

Harris is a joke. Biden is the only worthy opponent,

If dems start trashing Obama well good luck in 2024 as they can forget 2020

You can’t be too sure whether the key Midwest/Rust belt voters wouldnt be receptive to the progressive policies of Medicare-For-All, and the elimination (or significant reduction) of student loan debt. People in those areas are not big fans of the current sick-care system and the high burden that student loans are putting on millennials (and some Gen Xers).

Last week, I read a story about a man, in the US, who was presented with a hospital bill of $500,000 for treatment of his coma. Now, how would that man pay off that huge cost? It’s impossible! But with a Medicare-For-All system, which will be paid for by a slight increase in taxes, nobody would ever go bankrupt due to massive healthcare costs.

With regard to Biden, most of his support comes from elderly voters within the party, with those under 40 mostly supporting either Warren, Sanders or Harris. If the Dems want to turn out their liberal base (which largely stayed home in the swing states in 2016), they would need as many under 40 voters as they can muster by offering them a true progressive roadmap for the country. And I don’t see Biden as the guy who would motivate the liberal base to turn out enmasse in 2020.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Blues00: 2:18am On Aug 03, 2019
Per the Washington Examiner, the candidates have qualified for the September 12 (and possibly 13th) debate: Sanders, Biden, Harris, Warren, Booker, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and O’Rourke.
The likes of Castro, Yang, and Tulsi Gabbard, are 1,1, and 3 polls away, respectively, from qualifying for the debate.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Temple1288(m): 2:43am On Aug 03, 2019
That ASAP or whatever he's called should thank Kanye West first, then go ahead and thank President Trump. He'd have remained in that Prison room while his fans keep masquerading the whole place with #FreeASAP or #FreeRocky...... Tho his Ego won't allow him to publicly acknowledge the protagonist behind his temporary release but he should do so privately. Them 4 show am pepper!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Blues00: 2:47am On Aug 03, 2019
Temple1288:
That ASAP or whatever he's called should thank Kanye West first, then go ahead and thank President Trump. He'd have remained in that Prison room while his fans keep masquerading the whole place with #FreeASAP or #FreeRocky...... Tho his Ego won't allow him to publicly acknowledge the protagonist behind his temporary release but he should do so privately. Them 4 show am pepper!


Trump had zero influence in the release of ASAP. Trump tried to intervene in the matter, but the Swedish PM warned him that Sweden’s judiciary is completely independent. The decision to free Rocky ASAP was made solely by a Swedish judge.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Temple1288(m): 2:54am On Aug 03, 2019
Blues00:


You can’t be too sure whether the key Midwest/Rust belt voters wouldnt be receptive to the progressive policies of Medicare-For-All, and the elimination (or significant reduction) of student loan debt. People in those areas are not big fans of the current sick-care system and the high burden that student loans are putting on millennials (and some Gen Xers).

Last week, I read a story about a man, in the US, who was presented with a hospital bill of $500,000 for treatment of his coma. Now, how would that man pay off that huge cost? It’s impossible! But with a Medicare-For-All system, which will be paid for by a slight increase in taxes, nobody would ever go bankrupt due to massive healthcare costs.

With regard to Biden, most of his support comes from elderly voters within the party, with those under 40 mostly supporting either Warren, Sanders or Harris. If the Dems want to turn out their liberal base (which largely stayed home in the swing states in 2016), they would need as many under 40 voters as they can muster by offering them a true progressive roadmap for the country. And I don’t see Biden as the guy who would motivate the liberal base to turn out enmasse in 2020.


They showed up in 2016! But the people who outnumbered them were people who forgot about voting for a very long time, they're called THE SILENT MAJORITY.. Those SILENT MAJORITY are also around the Democrats, They're in Hollywood, they're in the inner cities (they know Trump is working hard) but out of fear of being treated like they don't exist they'd prefer to stay silent and most times identify as Democrats..

If someone who's been in Government for so long talks about problems that the country's been facing (which they helped create) , I think the person should be ashamed..

You'd be surprised that in 2020 Trump might even win in New York..

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Temple1288(m): 3:07am On Aug 03, 2019
Blues00:


Trump had zero influence in the release of ASAP. Trump tried to intervene in the matter, but the Swedish PM warned him that Sweden’s judiciary is completely independent. The decision to free Rocky ASAP was made solely by a Swedish judge.


You're very wrong!


Believe it or not, if not for the intervention of the President of the United States of America, Rakim Athelaston Mayers the one who hates his hardworking President, who's also a known assault master and to a large extent a drug dealer/addict would have remained in that Swedish Sanko... Trump called the PM and even had to send the highly respected Diplomat O'Brien to Sweden on a case that's different from what he handles, YOU COME HERE TO SAY UNTRUE THINGS!

Like I said, BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 3:15am On Aug 03, 2019
Blues00:


You can’t be too sure whether the key Midwest/Rust belt voters wouldnt be receptive to the progressive policies of Medicare-For-All, and the elimination (or significant reduction) of student loan debt. People in those areas are not big fans of the current sick-care system and the high burden that student loans are putting on millennials (and some Gen Xers).

Last week, I read a story about a man, in the US, who was presented with a hospital bill of $500,000 for treatment of his coma. Now, how would that man pay off that huge cost? It’s impossible! But with a Medicare-For-All system, which will be paid for by a slight increase in taxes, nobody would ever go bankrupt due to massive healthcare costs.

With regard to Biden, most of his support comes from elderly voters within the party, with those under 40 mostly supporting either Warren, Sanders or Harris. If the Dems want to turn out their liberal base (which largely stayed home in the swing states in 2016), they would need as many under 40 voters as they can muster by offering them a true progressive roadmap for the country. And I don’t see Biden as the guy who would motivate the liberal base to turn out enmasse in 2020.


Medicare for all and elimination of student loans who will pay for it? Maybe add reparations to it. The talking points for the socialist liberals. Is basically for more govt spending,

Explain how govt will pay for free these things for all.

Maybe those who Biden appeals to are the realistic people not the "woke" people living in nirvana

The people who swung the elections for Trump are not the young people in cali and New York, they are the forgotten blue collar workers in the rust belt. Do you think a blue collar worker wants to hear that govt will increase his taxes to make college that he did not go to free or reduced student loan?

An education is an investment in yourself and like every investment you need to put money into it.

College education is not compulsory for everyone. Why should govt subsidize college education and not the blue collar guy opening a plumbing business or carpenter or the cable guy.

2 friends graduate free high school, one decide to go to college, one decides to be a blue collar, explain why the second one should have his tax dollars used to give his friend an education

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Blues00: 4:06am On Aug 03, 2019
raumdeuter:


Medicare for all and elimination of student loans who will pay for it? Maybe add reparations to it. The talking points for the socialist liberals. Is basically for more govt spending,

Explain how govt will pay for free these things for all.

Maybe those who Biden appeals to are the realistic people not the "woke" people living in nirvana

The people who swung the elections for Trump are not the young people in cali and New York, they are the forgotten blue collar workers in the rust belt. Do you think a blue collar worker wants to hear that govt will increase his taxes to make college that he did not go to free or reduced student loan?

An education is an investment in yourself and like every investment you need to put money into it.

College education is not compulsory for everyone. Why should govt subsidize college education and not the blue collar guy opening a plumbing business or carpenter or the cable guy.

2 friends graduate free high school, one decide to go to college, one decides to be a blue collar, explain why the second one should have his tax dollars used to give his friend an education

Well, most of the money to be used to wipe out student loan debt/make public college free, and pay for universal healthcare coverage, will come from tax hikes on Wall Street trading and the multi millionaires and billionaires.

But I’m sure that if you ask the carpenter to choose between (a) a system that could bankrupt him even if he has private health insurance or (b) a system that wouldn’t bankrupt him, but cost him a little more in taxes: which one do you think he would pick?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Blues00: 4:07am On Aug 03, 2019
Breaking news:

Tulsi Gabbard’s campaign has garnered 145,000 donors, surpassing the 130k threshold required to qualify for the September and October debates.
All she now needs is to score 2% or more in at least 3 DNC-approved polls.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 4:39am On Aug 03, 2019
Blues00:


Well, most of the money to be used to wipe out student loan debt/make public college free, and pay for universal healthcare coverage, will come from tax hikes on Wall Street trading and the multi millionaires and billionaires.

But I’m sure that if you ask the carpenter to choose between (a) a system that could bankrupt him even if he has private health insurance or (b) a system that wouldn’t bankrupt him, but cost him a little more in taxes: which one do you think he would pick?

Why do Democrats always look to punish success? The wall street billionaire we rail about, went to the same high school as us, only that he studied hard got into ivy league schools, took risks and became a millionaire.

So why should he be the one to pay for those of us who couldn't put the hard work he did into his life.

This billionaire in wall street, he did not go to free college before becoming a billionaire. so why does he need to pay to make college free for others.

This sense of entitlement to another person's hard earned income is what I don't get about liberals

America was founded on putting in hard work, taking risks and when you make money keep it for yourself and your family

It's been proven that excellence comes when you encourage people to keep their money.

Good luck getting the next wall street or silicon valley risk taking guy when you tell them upfront that govt will take the bulk of their income to pay for free college

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Blues00: 6:15am On Aug 03, 2019
Random fact:

It was Elizabeth Warren who proposed to her husband in 1980. He obviously accepted her proposal and he moved to join her in Texas. shocked
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Blues00: 6:20am On Aug 03, 2019
raumdeuter:


Why do Democrats always look to punish success? The wall street billionaire we rail about, went to the same high school as us, only that he studied hard got into ivy league schools, took risks and became a millionaire.

So why should he be the one to pay for those of us who couldn't put the hard work he did into his life.

This billionaire in wall street, he did not go to free college before becoming a billionaire. so why does he need to pay to make college free for others.

This sense of entitlement to another person's hard earned income is what I don't get about liberals

America was founded on putting in hard work, taking risks and when you make money keep it for yourself and your family

It's been proven that excellence comes when you encourage people to keep their money.

Good luck getting the next wall street or silicon valley risk taking guy when you tell them upfront that govt will take the bulk of their income to pay for free college

Eliminating most of the loopholes billionaires and multi-millionaires use to pay as little tax as possible, seems fair to me.
BTW, tuition-free public college/university would cost an estimated $70 billion/year, which is only 10% of the Pentagon budget for this year. So, money could be moved from the DOD to fund this program without even raising taxes.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by itchie: 8:08am On Aug 03, 2019
Blues00:


Trump had zero influence in the release of ASAP. Trump tried to intervene in the matter, but the Swedish PM warned him that Sweden’s judiciary is completely independent. The decision to free Rocky ASAP was made solely by a Swedish judge.
Lol, continue deceiving yourselves. Trump is a fighter and Americans will vote for the man who fights for them. TRUMP 2020 in a landslide

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timbuktuo: 12:15pm On Aug 03, 2019
Blues00:


Eliminating most of the loopholes billionaires and multi-millionaires use to pay as little tax as possible, seems fair to me.
BTW, tuition-free public college/university would cost an estimated $70 billion/year, which is only 10% of the Pentagon budget for this year. So, money could be moved from the DOD to fund this program without even raising taxes.

Is there anybody anywhere in the world who wouldn't take advantage of beneficial situations? Why should a billionaire pay one cent more than he has to? I think don't you pay more in taxes? The mandatory tax percentages only stipulate the minimum you must pay, if you would like the government to have more of your money you are free to pay above mandated percentages. However, it reeks of jealousy and envy to want to shame and force others to pay more than they are required.

Bernie is always shouting about how top earners pay less than they should, yet he's payed ng the minimum and he's a millionaire. Help us ask him why he's not giving government the 70% he's advocating the top 1% pay? Bloody hypocrite

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 12:58pm On Aug 03, 2019
Michael Obama said there's 'zero chance' she'll run for President...says, "it's just not for me"
http://www.fox46charlotte.com/politics/michelle-obama-says-there-s-zero-chance-she-ll-run-for-president-it-s-just-not-for-me-

Alright guys, y'all heard it, Big MIKE said NO!! grin

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kophschmerzenii: 1:01pm On Aug 03, 2019
Anduku:
Mr. Kophschmerzen!! Busy peeping the thread with your numerous monikers, you better go and tend to the rats in your neighborhood. While lunatic liberals are busy ranting about Trump, Baltimore rats are busy photo bombing news coverages and saying "we dey here o". grin

By the way, have you ever appeared on TV before? A Baltimore rat just achieved what you have never achieved in your life. Just to put into perspective, more people in the US know that Baltimore rat than those that know you grin


What a cheap coward!!! Using the ban button to escape getting schooled. I bet those rat gat better HDI and life than you. Dude you live in the world poverty capital and afflicted by multidimensional penury. Worry about your brutish and tough life.

Waiting for your ban coward.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by kophschmerzenii: 1:04pm On Aug 03, 2019
How many Ratcliffe seconds make one Scaramucci. America government is the S.I unit of clusterfuckery.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 2:18pm On Aug 03, 2019
Blues00:


Eliminating most of the loopholes billionaires and multi-millionaires use to pay as little tax as possible, seems fair to me.
BTW, tuition-free public college/university would cost an estimated $70 billion/year, which is only 10% of the Pentagon budget for this year. So, money could be moved from the DOD to fund this program without even raising taxes.

They give them those tax breaks because they take risks, create jobs. Those tax breaks are available for you and I too, if we put ourselves through what those wall street guys did to become millionaires
All we need to do is study hard instead of partying, get perfect SAT scores, get into ivy league business school, graduate with good grades, get into wall street and you get your own tax break.

Don't you pay as little tax as possible? Have you or any of the democratic candidates offered to pay more and IRS rejected the money?

So it's reasonable to take money from national security that affects everyone to fund colleges that are optional? You are only able to sit in the comfort of your house and make money, have a family etc because some people are taking care of national security


You haven't told me why the welder, truck driver and plumber shouldn't get free money to set up his business too

Should we also take 70bn to create free blue collar business or its only people that go to college they count in an economy

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by happney65: 2:28pm On Aug 03, 2019
raumdeuter:


They give them those tax breaks because they take risks, create jobs. Those tax breaks are available for you and I too, if we put ourselves through what those wall street guys did to become millionaires

So it's reasonable to take money from national security that affects everyone to fund colleges that are optional?
You haven't told me why the welder, truck driver and plumber shouldn't get free money to set up his business too

Am not a fan of Trump one bit..I dont like him at all. but I support you on this 100%..I do not like socialism one bit.socialism is evil and people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren should be throw into fire..Sanders is always fighting against "rich people" while himself is rich.It isnt their fault that they are rich..

My believe is this,The government should be able to help you so that you can help yourself..Not giving you handouts every now and then..If you want to go to school,you must be able to pay for it yourself and nothing else.If you can't..You get a student loan which you pay back yourself over a cause of years..These things ain't free and you should be able to do it for yourself..

Simple as ABC

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