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FBS:
Please show me one person wishing ill on Seb? Certainly not moi.

Me! I hope and wish he's fired. He makes the Prancing Horse look like a donkey!

MrBrownJay1:
He could be a 100 times champion and still be a rubbish driver.... As we can ALL witness for the past 4 yrs and counting. He is just a very lucky driver who was driving the best car. He isn't even the best driver at Ferrari today. Bwaaaaah!

Anyway, no point discussing with you, I have proved you wrong for the past 4 yrs and counting....continue wishing on pink castles in the sky!

Lmaooo you're definitely a very big clown if you think Leclerc is half as good as Seb.

You're still so pained your MCM was denied two World Driver's titles by my boy Seb. It's not my fault he couldn't get past Vitaly phuckin Petrov with a World Championship on the line

You have to go back to probably the 90's before you can identify the last time a driver won a Championship without having the best car anyway so your post has zero merit as this applies for pretty much every other champion in that timeframe.

budaatum:
Me! I hope and wish he's fired. He makes the Prancing Horse look like a donkey!

Lool there's no driver on the grid that would put their car ahead of that Mercedes over the course of a season. Not even Hamilton.

Vettel's Red Bull wasn't this dominant and they still wiped the floor with competition two of the years they had the absolute fastest car.

budaatum:
I too prostitute from one team to another. It's F1, not footy! One day I'm Ferrari (though they must fire that underperforming Vettel to get my support back!)), now I'm currently Verstappen, but I can't downplay what Merc achieved yesterday. Its classic Ross Brawn, strategywise.

Go Ham!

yours is understood. Ajakaja40’s own is, jumping on any driver and claiming the driver is better than Ham. And Ham only wins by luck. Seb was better than Ham, then Leclerc became better than Ham at some point, now it’s Max at this rate I won’t be surprised to see him pip Gasly.

A40:
Lmaooo you're definitely a very big clown if you think Leclerc is half as good as Seb.

You're still so pained your MCM was denied two World Driver's titles by my boy Seb. It's not my fault he couldn't get past Vitaly phuckin Petrov with a World Championship on the line

You have to go back to probably the 90's before you can identify the last time a driver won a Championship without having the best car anyway so your post has zero merit as this applies for pretty much every other champion in that timeframe.

Ahahahahaha If Vettel did not have a clause on his contract to be #1 driver at Ferrari, thus having an unfair advantage over his teammate, we would have seen (even more) how Leclerc is a better driver than Vettel... And now that Vettel is feeling the heat, we can truly see what a useless driver he is.

As we have seen yesterday, the fastest car didn't win, the best strategy did..... Keep hanging on rubbish, to make yourself daydream into believing that Vettel would ever be champion again.

kokaneprodigy:
yours is understood. Ajakaja40’s own is jumping on any driver and claiming the driver is better than Ham. And Ham only wins by luck. Seb was better than Ham, then Leclerc became better than Ham at some point, now it’s Max and this rate I won’t be surprised to see him pip Gasly.

Bro that's how he is...everyone that is better that Vettel and winning big time, he will come up with silly points and childish excuses....only when Vettel wins that, suddenly, it's because off his "fantastic abilities".

MrBrownJay1:
Bro that's how he is...everyone that is better that Vettel and winning big time, he will come up with silly points and childish excuses....only when Vettel wins that, suddenly, it's because off his "fantastic abilities".

and you wonder why he’s called ajakaja40.

A40:
Lool there's no driver on the grid that would put their car ahead of that Mercedes over the course of a season. Not even Hamilton.

Vettel's Red Bull wasn't this dominant and they still wiped the floor with competition two of the years they had the absolute fastest car.

Vettel was dominant actually! One just need check how far he was ahead of second place when he won his championships.

Part of being good in F1 is manoeuvring into the right car and having the best strategist and team, down to the water person. And to be honest, unless one thinks F1 isn't a sport, then one needs to accept that the best team wins.

And I am talking as one who finds it hard to like Hamilton after what happened between him and Alonso way back in 2007. If the shoe had been on the other foot, we'd have called the Britishism of the team, racism.

budaatum:
Vettel was dominant actually! One just need check how far he was ahead of second place when he won his championships.

Vettel was dominant only in 2011 and 2013. The other two years he literally won on the last day. In 2010 4 drivers had a chance to be world champion on the Final race. 4!!

budaatum:
Part of being good in F1 is manoeuvring into the right car and having the best strategist and team, down to the water person. And to be honest, unless one thinks F1 isn't a sport, then one needs to accept that the best team wins.

And I am talking as one who finds it hard to like Hamilton after what happened between him and Alonso way back in 2007. If the shoe had been on the other foot, we'd have called the Britishism of the team, racism.

Good. Of course individual skill also plays a part but when you see bare drivers like Bottas in title contention it just tells you how far ahead the Mercs are from everyone else

If the Mercs had a better driver than Bottas it would be a pure Mercedes scrap for the title.

Btw is it just me or it felt like Verstappen was scared every time Ham got closer....?!?!

1st it was "I am losing grip" ..
Then 2nd it was "is there a damage to the car"
then 3rd it was "you need to give me full power"...
then 4th, "you need to tell me when Ham has DRS"
and finally:"if Ham pitted, we should have pitted as well"

...the answer he received from the 3rd one was PRICELESS

MrBrownJay1:
Ahahahahaha If Vettel did not have a clause on his contract to be #1 driver at Ferrari, thus having an unfair advantage over his teammate, we would have seen (even more) how Leclerc is a better driver than Vettel... And now that Vettel is feeling the heat, we can truly see what a useless driver he is.

As we have seen yesterday, the fastest car didn't win, the best strategy did..... Keep hanging on rubbish, to make yourself daydream into believing that Vettel would ever be champion again.

Lool Leclerc is a full race behind Sebastian. So much for feeling the heat. His amateurish driving the last few races have shown he is not ready to be the top dog in any right thinking establishment.

If Leclerc joined Mercedes he would be the number 2 driver as well so save us your nonsense narrative.

Who was the fastest car yesterday? Why do you think Red Bull didn't pit to give themselves even a fighting chance at driving for a race win.

Within 5 laps a 1.3 seconds deficit turned to a 20 second win

A40:
Vettel was dominant only in 2011 and 2013. The other two years he literally won on the last day. In 2010 4 drivers had a chance to be world champion on the Final race. 4!!


Good. Of course individual skill also plays a part but when you see bare drivers like Bottas in title contention it just tells you how far ahead the Mercs are from everyone else

If the Mercs had a better driver than Bottas it would be a pure Mercedes scrap for the title.

you see you are shamelessly contradicting yourself.
In one post you say Ham wins based on luck cos he drives the fastest car + capitalizes on other drivers misfortune.

In this post you agree Bottas is not good enough which means driving skill plays a role. Which means Ham ain’t just lucky he’s a highly skilled driver as well.

Oga stay one place let this thunder strike u now.

A40:
Vettel was dominant only in 2011 and 2013. The other two years he literally won on the last day. In 2010 4 drivers had a chance to be world champion on the Final race. 4!!

RBR was dominant for 4 yrs...that's why both their cars finished in the top 3 (out of 3 of these 4yrs), even though we all know that Webber is a more useless driver than Vettel. Bottas is a good driver, and we all know that Rosberg is too.

Good. Of course individual skill also plays a part but when you see bare drivers like Bottas in title contention it just tells you how far ahead the Mercs are from everyone else

If the Mercs had a better driver than Bottas it would be a pure Mercedes scrap for the title.

You mean like the year when Rosberg won?! Vettel only won his champs because he was the better driver at RBR.

Vettel has never had a fantastic teammate, and now that he does, we can clearly see that he is not a top driver after all... Something I have said all along. Unless VETTEL wins with another team, he will remain a one hit wonder lucky to drive a great car.

A40:
Lool Leclerc is a full race behind Sebastian. So much for feeling the heat. His amateurish driving the last few races have shown he is not ready to be the top dog in any right thinking establishment.

Bro, if you think Vettel is a better driver while being out qualified by Leclerc time and time again, then you are indeed not thinking clearly.

If Leclerc joined Mercedes he would be the number 2 driver as well so save us your nonsense narrative.

There is a difference between Bottas being #2 and being able to race Ham freely, than Leclerc being told to step aside to let Vettel pass even when both are on the same strategy and racing each other fair and square (we witnessed it at the beginning of the year, don't even try to downplay it.

Who was the fastest car yesterday? Why do you think Red Bull didn't pit to give themselves even a fighting chance at driving for a race win.

Verstappen had a faster car, in qualifying and during the race....even Ham knew he couldn't get him on equal terms....verstappen lost because Mercedes strategy was better... They didn't pit because they were stoopid enough to think that they could win with 1 stopping...that's why we clearly heard top man say to Verstappen at the end:"they roll the dice and won!"

kokaneprodigy:
you see you are shamelessly contradicting yourself.
In one post you say Ham wins based on luck cos he drives the fastest car + capitalizes on other drivers misfortune.

In this post you agree Bottas is not good enough which means driving skill plays a role. Which means Ham ain’t just lucky he’s a highly skilled driver as well.

Oga stay one place let this thunder strike u now.

You are very veryyyy stupid and obtuse fellow.

The Mercedes have been by far the fastest car in F1 for the last 6 years. I can't be arsed to argue that with an unrepentant Hamilton blockus polisher like you. Mere looking at his race wins from 2008-2013 highlights that fact to any one with a working brain.

Bottas is also a mediocre driver. Both facts are not mutually exclusive.

No one has said Hamilton is not a skilled driver but that he has also enjoyed plenty good fortune as well which is clear to any reasonable person. Why you want to develop stroke on top this matter I don't really understand

A40:
. Mere looking at his race wins from 2008-2013 highlights that fact to any one with a working brain.

Bwaaaaaah Ham in 2008 was driving for McLaren thus showing us all that he is indeed a great driver...how else would you believe a driver to be top dog with 2 different teams. Duh!!!

MrBrownJay1:
RBR was dominant for 4 yrs...that's why both their cars finished in the top 3 (out of 3 of these 4yrs), even though we all know that Webber is a more useless driver than Vettel. Bottas is a good driver, and we all know that Rosberg is too.

RBR's dominance is pure child's play compared to what we are witnessing from the Mercs. Are you serious at all? Do you know the percentage of poles the Mercs have secured compared to the competition?

Webber is probably at par or slightly worse than Rosberg but is streets better than a wingman like Bottas

The Mercs were 1 and 2 for 3 years in a row. That never happened under Red Bull

MrBrownJay1:
You mean like the year when Rosberg won?! Vettel only won his champs because he was the better driver at RBR.

Nonsense. The rest of the field had zero chance of catching the Mercs. 2014-2016 were arguably the most uncompetitive years in F1 history from a constructor perspective. Vettel won his Championships in a competitive field in 2010 where everyone was on equal footing, even in 2012 the gap between Seb and the rest was minimal to non existent. The year Seb had the best car outrightly he opened a record setting gap on the rest of the field and set the most consecutive race wins in history. Put Seb in this Merc and he would murk the field as well

MrBrownJay1:
Vettel has never had a fantastic teammate, and now that he does, we can clearly see that he is not a top driver after all... Something I have said all along. Unless VETTEL wins with another team, he will remain a one hit wonder lucky to drive a great car.

Lmaooooo. Even in a down year by Vettel's standards he is still a full race ahead of his teammate

Vettel has had 4 Wins and 3 Second place finishes. Anyone calling him a one hit wonder is pretty clueless. And that's me being polite.

He doesn't need to win another title to prove he is a great driver

MrBrownJay1:
Bro, if you think Vettel is a better driver while being out qualified by Leclerc time and time again, then you are indeed not thinking clearly.

Qualifying? Is this man crazy. Their H2H qualifying is 7-5 and despite that Seb is still ahead by a full race

You have no point

MrBrownJay1:
There is a difference between Bottas being #2 and being able to race Ham freely, than Leclerc being told to step aside to let Vettel pass even when both are on the same strategy and racing each other fair and square (we witnessed it at the beginning of the year, don't even try to downplay it.

This is nonsense. Barring a few times when Ferrari tried to compensate for a gaffe Leclerc and Vettel have always been allowed to race. We saw it at Hungaroring. We've seen it a few times more. Leclerc came with the initial rookie gra gra but has been put in his place so badly I'm starting to even question if he is 'The Guy'

MrBrownJay1:
Verstappen had a faster car, in qualifying and during the race....even Ham knew he couldn't get him on equal terms....verstappen lost because Mercedes strategy was better... They didn't pit because they were stoopid enough to think that they could win with 1 stopping...that's why we clearly heard top man say to Verstappen at the end:"they roll the dice and won!"

Anyone who has a clue knows there is difference between race pace and qualifying. Max was never able to pull away from Hamilton despite driving in clear air. In a track like Hungary which is an overtaking nightmare it would be stupid to have thought you would pass Max without being creative.

Horner knew that if he pitted Max even on fresher tyres he would never catch Hamilton and was essentially a sitting duck the last 5 laps of the race. Horner's refusal to take that chance said it all. And thanks to Mercedes power Hamilton didn't just pass Max but dusted him by 20secs with just 4 laps

MrBrownJay1:
Bwaaaaaah Ham in 2008 was driving for McLaren thus showing us all that he is indeed a great driver...how else would you believe a driver to be top dog with 2 different teams. Duh!!!

WTF is this dude saying? McLaren was not the fastest car in 2008? Because they had another average and mediocre Finn in Kovalainen who couldn't compete?

We saw Hamilton fail to finish in the Top 3 of Driver's Championship for 4 straight years (2009-2013) when he didn't have the best machinery. You think he suddenly discovered the fountain of youth? FOH

Don't come here with revisionist nonsense like he has not been a beneficiary of the best car as well

A40:
WTF is this dude saying? McLaren was not the fastest car in 2008? Because they had another average and mediocre Finn in Kovalainen who couldn't compete?

We saw Hamilton fail to finish in the Top 3 of Driver's Championship for 4 straight years (2009-2013) when he didn't have the best machinery. You think he suddenly discovered the fountain of youth? FOH

Don't come here with revisionist nonsense like he has not been a beneficiary of the best car as well

Bwaaaaaah. .. MC Laren that won only 6races in 2008 while Ferrari won 10?! AFerrari that won constructor champs in 2008?! abeg be quiet here instead of writing rubbish online!!!

MrBrownJay1:
Bwaaaaaah. .. MC Laren that won only 6races in 2008 while Ferrari won 10?! AFerrari that won constructor champs in 2008?! abeg be quiet here instead of writing rubbish online!!!

What is this Bwaaaah nonsense you're always typing like an Imbec!le?

I already told you having a rubbish driver like Heiki Kovalainen meant Mercedes couldn't possibly win the Constructors title. As useless as he was he still managed to eke out two poles.
That's how fast the Merc was

The next year we saw where Kovalainen finished and how quickly he was chased out of F1

A40:
What is this Bwaaaah nonsense you're always typing like an Imbec!le?

I already told you having a rubbish driver like Heiki Kovalainen meant Mercedes couldn't possibly win the Constructors title. As useless as he was he still managed to eke out two poles.
That's how fast the Merc was

The next year we saw where Kovalainen finished and how quickly he was chased out of F1

Bwaaaaaah!!!!
Stop writing rubbish online.... in 2008 Ferrari had the fastest car...hands down. But hey, if you believe that the team who won 10 races in that year had a slower car than the one who won only 6 then you are just plain clueless.

MrBrownJay1:
Bwaaaaaah!!!!
Stop writing rubbish online.... in 2008 Ferrari had the fastest car...hands down. But hey, if you believe that the team who won 10 races in that year had a slower car than the one who won only 6 then you are just plain clueless.

Shut up your mouth you foolish mule.

Ferrari won 8 races not 10.

And if Kovalainen was a half decent driver the Mercs would have racked up more wins. You must be smoking crack if you think a faster Ferrari car with a Massa and Raikkonen combo wins just 8 races

A40:
RBR's dominance is pure child's play compared to what we are witnessing from the Mercs. Are you serious at all? Do you know the percentage of poles the Mercs have secured compared to the competition?

Nobody is doubting that Mercedes have the fastest car today...but we have clearly seen that RBR this weekend is faster...just like Ferrari was briefly a few races ago.

Webber is probably at par or slightly worse than Rosberg but is streets better than a wingman like Bottas

I believe that Bottas is a better driver than Rosberg, while Webber shouldn't even be mentioned when we are talking of good drivers.

The Mercs were 1 and 2 for 3 years in a row. That never happened unser Red Bull

That's what happens when you have useless drivers....and you have the audacity to compare Rosberg or Bottas with Webber?! You just proved that Webber ain't shiit

Nonsense. The rest of the field had zero chance of catching the Mercs. 2014-2016 were arguably the most uncompetitive years in F1 history from a constructor perspective. Vettel won his Championships in a competitive field in 2010 where everyone was on equal footing, even in 2012 the gap between Seb and the rest was minimal to non existent. The year Seb had the best car outrightly he opened a record setting gap on the rest of the field and set the most consecutive race wins in history. Put Seb in this Merc and he would murk the field as well

Arrant deluded irrelevant rubbish... the issue is that Mercs have valid drivers to challenge Ham while Vettel never did...... duh!

When you see Bottas qualify ahead of Ham, and Ham having to work hard to get pass his teammate, then you know that both are great drivers driving their heart out.

Lmaooooo. Even in a down year by Vettel's standards he is still a full race ahead of his teammate

Again the clause in his contract is what got him ahead...we ALL clearly saw how Ferrari was playing Leclerc on a disadvantage, during a few races.

Vettel has had 4 Wins and 3 Second place finishes. Anyone calling him a one hit wonder is pretty clueless. And that's me being polite.

He doesn't need to win another title to prove he is a great driver

He can win as many races and still be useless unless he wins the championship....winning the championship is what matters. Was that not what you were quick to say when Alonso was trailing RBR. Bloody hypocrite!!!

Qualifying? Is this man crazy. Their H2H qualifying is 7-5 and despite that Seb is still ahead by a full race
You have no point

If Ferrari openly ask teammate to step aside to let Vettel through while they are racing each other and on the same strategy....then obviously Vettel will be ahead. Are you blind or you are just pretending to be, in order to foolishly believe that Vettel is better than. Leclerc ?

This is nonsense. Barring a few times when Ferrari tried to compensate for a gaffe Leclerc and Vettel have always been allowed to race. We saw it at Hungaroring. We've seen it a few times more. Leclerc came with the initial rookie gra gra but has been put in his place so badly I'm starting to even question if he is 'The Guy'

In formula one, ONE time is all what is needed to get an unfair advantage over your teammate.

Anyone who has a clue knows there is difference between race pace and qualifying. Max was never able to pull away from Hamilton despite driving in clear air. In a track like Hungary which is an overtaking nightmare it would be stupid to have thought you would pass Max without being creative.

... and Ham wasn't able to overtake him on equal tyres.thats why he had to change into medium to be able to pass him. Versstappen was trying to nurse his tyres until checkered flag but we clearly saw how he was matching Ham' s medium tyre pace, while being on used hard tyres. In the 1m19s

Horner knew that if he pitted Max even on fresher tyres he would never catch Hamilton and was essentially a sitting duck the last 5 laps of the race. Horner's refusal to take that chance said it all. And thanks to Mercedes power Hamilton didn't just pass Max but dusted him by 20secs with just 4 laps

Rubbish!!!! The reason Ham had a 20sec advantage is due to the amazing pace he had for +16 laps on medium while Versstappen was suffering badly on hard tyres. If they had pitted Versstappen when Ham did, it would have been a battle all the way through the end of the race between the two. The RBR was clearly faster last weekend... that's why most of the 1st stint, versstappen was 2 sec ahead, and 2nd stint was a clear walk in the park where he put 6sec on Ham but when the tyres got done, Ham could come back on his fresh tyres...but yet he couldn't get pass versstappen.

A40:
Shut up your mouth you foolish mule.

Ferrari won 8 races not 10.

And if Kovalainen was a half decent driver the Mercs would have racked up more wins. You must be smoking crack if you think a faster Ferrari car with a Massa and Raikkonen combo wins just 8 races

8 races over 6 is still the best car on the field...however you want to look at it... especially when Ferrari had three 1-2 that year ....so stop bringing nonsense IFs, BUTs and MAYBEs. The reality is that Ferrari had a faster car and won more races than any other team that year. How can you sit here and say that McLaren was faster?!?!?!?! You are obviously the one smoking crack.

MrBrownJay1:
8 races over 6 is still the best car on the field...however you want to look at it... especially when aferrari had 3 1-2 that year....so stop bring nonsense IFs, BUTs and MAYBEs. The reality is that Ferrari had a faster car and won more races than any other team that year. How can you sit here and say that McLaren was faster?!?!?!?! You are obviously the one smoking crack.

Nooo you stupid crackhead!! Is the Red Bull faster than Ferrari?

Of course if a fast car has two drivers a good one and a numpty and another reasonably fast car has two competent drivers, chances are the latter would win more races.

They won more races because the gulf in class between Hamilton and Kovalainen was significantly larger than between Massa and Kimi.

Swap Kovalainen with any competent driver and the Mercedes would win the constructor's title easily

A40:
Nooo you stupid crackhead!! Is the Red Bull faster than Ferrari?

Of course if a fast car has two drivers a good one and a numpty and another reasonably fast car has two competent drivers, chances are the latter would win more races.

They won more races because the gulf in class between Hamilton and Kovalainen was significantly larger than between Massa and Kimi.

Swap Kovalainen with any competent driver and the Mercedes would win the constructor's title easily

...what is this deluded one saying?!
Ham won only 5 races that year while Massa won 6races, Raikkonen won 2 and Kovalainen won just one.... how the hell do you come up with your rubbish that McLaren was the faster car that year?! With what deluded conclusion.?!

MrBrownJay1:
Nobody is doubting that Mercedes have the fastest car today...but we have clearly seen that RBR this weekend is faster...just like Ferrari was briefly a few races ago.

Neither here nor there. I don't think it is possible to have the fastest car over the entire period of a season. However it is bleeding obvious that the Mercs are significantly faster than the rest of the competition

MrBrownJay1:
I believe that Bottas is a better driver than Rosberg, while Webber shouldn't even be mentioned when we are talking of good drivers.

What a joker! Since joining Mercedes only Rosberg has been the one to put up any type of fight. He wasn't as good as Hamilton but at least he didn't roll over and literally become a wingman. Rosberg garnered the most poles over the course of a season and actually won a Driver's title. Never compare him to a clown like Bottas. Webber is streets ahead of Bottas

There is a reason why his seat is not sure for next year

MrBrownJay1:
That's what happens when you have useless drivers....and you have the audacity to compare Rosberg or Bottas with Webber?! You just proved that Webber ain't shiit

You're quite the buffoon. When has Bottas ever been a threat?

From 2014-2016 everyone with a working brain knows the Mercedes was out of sight

In that span only 3 times did a non Mercedes car take pole. THREE times!! Let that sink into your foolish brain

If you think that is purely down to Rosberg and Hamilton's abilities alone then you're beyond redemption

MrBrownJay1:
Arrant deluded irrelevant rubbish... the issue is that Mercs have valid drivers to challenge Ham while Vettel never did...... duh!

The same Bottas that has been a maiguard for Ham the last two years? You're very foolish

MrBrownJay1:
When you see Bottas qualify ahead of Ham, and Ham having to work hard to get pass his teammate, then you know that both are great drivers driving their heart out.

Bottas has no race craft. Any clown can out qualify their teammates. That is only half the battle. Bottas can't stay ahead of his rivals in slower cars come race day and you're busy chatting megedefegede

MrBrownJay1:
He can win as many races and still be useless unless he wins the championship....winning the championship is what matters. Was that not what you were quick to say when Alonso was trailing RBR. Bloody hypocrite!!!

Misplaced aggression. You should direct your angst at Alonso for failing to pass Vitaly Petrov for over 15 laps.

Vettel's place is secured in the pantheon of great drivers and no one cares if a stupid Mufu from Arigidi like you thinks otherwise

MrBrownJay1:
If Ferrari openly ask teammate to step aside to let Vettel through while they are racing each other and on the same strategy....then obviously Vettel will be ahead. Are you blind or you are just pretending to be, in order to foolishly believe that Vettel is better than. Leclerc ?

In formula one, ONE time is all what is needed to get an unfair advantage over your teammate.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/142937/team-orders-like-leclerc-made-hamilton-rebel

You're a useless hypocrite yourself. Is it not Hamilton's refusal to bow to team orders that made your MCM run from McLaren?

Your MCM is the biggest fighter and beneficiary of team orders and you're here yarning megedefegede

In the races team orders were deployed it was Leclerc and Vettel squabbling for 3rd and 4th and in one of the races Vettel also had to yield back the position he was given. This is not a valid excuse for Leclerc being a full 24 points behind

Leclerc has not delivered on his hype. Only a ret@rd like you will suggest he is better than Seb

MrBrownJay1:
... and Ham wasn't able to overtake him on equal tyres.thats why he had to change into medium to be able to pass him. Versstappen was trying to nurse his tyres until checkered flag but we clearly saw how he was matching Ham' s medium tyre pace, while being on used hard tyres. In the 1m19s

Rubbish!!!! The reason Ham had a 20sec advantage is due to the amazing pace he had for +16 laps on medium while Versstappen was suffering badly on hard tyres. If they had pitted Versstappen when Ham did, it would have been a battle all the way through the end of the race between the two. The RBR was clearly faster last weekend... that's why most of the 1st stint, versstappen was 2 sec ahead, and 2nd stint was a clear walk in the park where he put 6sec on Ham but when the tyres got done, Ham could come back on his fresh tyres...but yet he couldn't get pass versstappen.

It's harder to overtake in a track like Hungaroring that is tight and twisty and your speed will never be an overpowering factor. It doesn't matter if he overtook him or not. What matters is that he CAUGHT him. Even while both their tyres were still fresh

If Max and the RBR were confident in their speed they would not naively work their tyres for 45 laps.

On any other track Hamilton would have probably passed Max much quicker. So stop chatting rubbish!! Even after their first stop Max was caught in 3 laps.

MrBrownJay1:
...what is this deluded one saying?!
Ham won only 5 races that year while Massa won 6races, Raikkonen won 2 and Kovalainen won just one.... how the hell do you come up with your rubbish that McLaren was the faster car that year?! With what deluded conclusion.?!

Shut up you foolish dingbat. Because the B option was Heiki Kovalainen and even he was able to score a pole and win a race. Insert Button, Webber, Massa in fact any driver not named Kovalainen and they would finish with more wins than Ferrari

This man had one race win and 1 pole his entire career. And no prizes for guessing the car he was on to get there

A40:
Shut up you foolish dingbat. Because the B option was Heiki Kovalainen and even he was able to score a pole and win a race. Insert Button, Webber, Massa in fact any driver not named Kovalainen and they would finish with more wins than Ferrari

This man had one race win and 1 pole his entire career. And no prizes for guessing the car he was on to get there

...and that above is your conclusion as to why McLaren was faster than Ferrari, really?! I can't waste my time arguing with someone with such a narrow minded clueless way of thinking. Holla at me when you have something intelligent to bring to this discussion

... but just so that I can EDUCATE you: the only race Kovalainen won was in Hungary 2008, where Timo Glock (of all people) finished 2nd (his best finish in F1 ever) , Raikkonen was only 3rd and Ham finished 5th. Ham had qualified on pole, Kovalainen was 2 nd and Massa was 3rd, And within the 1st corner, Massa was in front!!!!! Massa was in front leading the race up till 3 laps before the finish line, and his engine blew!!!! again, STOP WRITING RUBBISH ONLINE!!!!

MrBrownJay1:
...and that above is your conclusion as to why McLaren was faster than Ferrari, really?! I can't waste my time arguing with someone with such a narrow minded clueless way of thinking. Holla at me when you have something intelligent to bring to this discussion

... but just so that I can EDUCATE you: the only race Kovalainen won was in Hungary 2008, where Timo Glock (of all people) finished 2nd (his best finish in F1 ever) , Raikkonen was only 3rd and Ham finished 5th. Ham had qualified on pole, Kovalainen was 2 nd and Massa was 3rd, And within the 1st corner, Massa was in front!!!!! Massa was in front leading the race up till 3 laps before the finish line, and his engine blew!!!! again, STOP WRITING RUBBISH ONLINE!!!!

You are a complete m0ron.

Kovalainen was leading in Spain that same year before he crashed as well so save your foolish explanations for whoever is interested. This does not even disprove my assertion of Kovalainen's ineptitude anyway

Kovalainen raced 112 times and his only race win was with a McLaren, his fastest laps in a McLaren, 3 of his 4 podium places were while he was driving a McLaren

He was an all-round mediocre driver and the only times he came remotely close to making a dent in F1 was when he was obviously driving arguably the fastest car on the grid.

A40:
You are a complete m0ron.

Kovalainen was leading in Spain that same year before he crashed as well so save your foolish explanations for whoever is interested. This does not even disprove my assertion of Kovalainen's ineptitude anyway

Kovalainen raced 112 times and his only race win was with a McLaren, his fastest laps in a McLaren, 3 of his 4 podium places were while he was driving a McLaren

He was an all-round mediocre driver and the only times he came remotely close to making a dent in F1 was when he was obviously driving arguably the fastest car on the grid.

KOVALAINEN NEVER LED THE SPAIN GP OF 2008
Ferrari 1-2 led that race from beginning to the end. Bare a few laps due to pitting, just because someone doesn't pit early ( and gain an advantage through that) does NOT make them officially faster than the top 3 leaders, who pitted early.

I am just proving to you that you write rubbish nonsense..MC Laren was the 2nd best team out there thus of course they will win races and make few podium finishes.. the only reason Kovalainen ever won a race was due to faster car of Ferrari's blown engine.... whether he had podiun finishes with Mc Laren that year, OR NOT, it doesnt change the fact that the Ferraris during that year were faster than Mc Laren, duh!!!

But hey, if you think that McLaren were faster, yet a 3rd place on the grid Massa could jump BOTH McLaren by the 1st corner, then you sir is indeed royally clueless about F1.

Whatever rubbish you are bringing, while I am showing you that you are clueless, is all on you.