Shepherd00:

Not all wines are alcoholic, only fermented grapes or Vines are alcoholic.

Not only Vine. If you ferment Palm juice you'd ve alcohol. if you ferment Corn, Rice, Millet, you'd have alcohol come out of them.

Fermentation turns them to alcohol, not that they are automatically alcohol.

OK o......but I think you should check the meaning of wine.

EnthronedbyGod:
I once went to see a young lady in her aunt's shop.

She was somehow close to me then, but I had to run for my dear life.

I decided to take a stroll with her, we walked and got to a curved place that was covered with kerosine tank.


As we got there, she removed her skirt instantly, she had no underwear on, and started urinating right in my presence claiming she was pressed.


The funny thing is that she faced me while urinating

What the hell? She was obviously being used without knowing it.

michaelkaroh:

OK o......but I think you should check the meaning of wine.

Wine is wine, until it becomes fermented.

Shepherd00:

Define Born Again Christian

those who have recieved Jesus as their lord and saviour by way of tye baptism of John the Baptist and most importantly, have the evidence of the fruit of the spirit in them, which are kindness, long suffering etc.

there are also those who have been accepted by god, even though they have never proclaimed unto salvation with their mouth, as can be seen in fruit of the holy ghost deeply rooted in them. these people are also BORN AGAINS. IN FACT, THEY ARE THE TRUE BORN AGAINS! EVERY OTHER PERSON MUST POSSESS THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, AS A TRUE MARK OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HIM OTHERWISE, HE IS NOT BORN AGAIN IN ANY FORM OR MEASURE; IT DOESN'T MATTER HIW MANY TIMES THEY HAVE MADE CONFESSIONS UNTO SALVATION WITH THEIR MOUTH.

Shepherd00:

Wine is wine, until it becomes fermented.

Ok

MiddleDimension:

those who have recieved Jesus as their lord and saviour by way of tye baptism of John the Baptist and most importantly, have the evidence of the fruit of the spirit in them, which are kindness, long suffering etc.

So, in your opinion someone can receive Jesus Christ into their life as the only Lord and Master and still be a member of an Occult group like the Rosicrucian Order? isn't that serving two masters?

MiddleDimension:

there are also those who have been accepted by god, even though they have never proclaimed unto salvation with their mouth, as can be seen in fruit of the holy ghost deeply rooted in them.

Pls what is the Fruit of the Holy Ghost that can be seen in a man who hasn't confessed Jesus as Lord?

because the Bible says in Rom: 10:9-10. With your mouth you confess that 'Jesus is Lord, and with your heart you believe what you confess, then you will be saved. This is the only way YHWH will accept you into His beloved.

So please I need to see scriptures that states that there's a group of Christians who got to God by themselves and not confessing and accepting Jesus.

MiddleDimension:

these people are also BORN AGAINS. IN FACT, THEY ARE THE TRUE BORN AGAINS! EVERY OTHER PERSON MUST POSSESS THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT
[quote author=MiddleDimension post=81155733]
What is the Fruit of this 'True Born Again?

Okay, this class of 'True Born Agains' are the ones who also join Ogboni and AMORC abi? Isorite.

[quote author=MiddleDimension post=81155733]
, AS A TRUE MARK OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HIM OTHERWISE, HE IS NOT BORN AGAIN IN ANY FORM OR MEASURE; IT DOESN'T MATTER HIW MANY TIMES THEY HAVE MADE CONFESSIONS UNTO SALVATION WITH THEIR MOUTH.

Do you know who the Holy Spirit is?

What is the Mark of the Holy Spirit.

Finally, can you give 5 names of born again Christians you know who are members of AMORC? Remember you said there's nothing wrong and hidden about AMORC, so their membership shouldn't be hidden.

MiddleDimension:


those who have recieved Jesus as their lord and saviour by way of tye baptism of John the Baptist and most importantly, have the evidence of the fruit of the spirit in them, which are kindness, long suffering etc.

there are also those who have been accepted by god, even though they have never proclaimed unto salvation with their mouth, as can be seen in fruit of the holy ghost deeply rooted in them. these people are also BORN AGAINS. IN FACT, THEY ARE THE TRUE BORN AGAINS! EVERY OTHER PERSON MUST POSSESS THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, AS A TRUE MARK OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD IN HIM OTHERWISE, HE IS NOT BORN AGAIN IN ANY FORM OR MEASURE; IT DOESN'T MATTER HIW MANY TIMES THEY HAVE MADE CONFESSIONS UNTO SALVATION WITH THEIR MOUTH.

You have given two categories of Born Again Christians. lol. Are these according to scriptures or your opinion?

Classic specie of a human being @muttleylaff please I want you to help me with the PDF files below should in case you have it in your shelf. This is the present location I can find you and please don't find it offensive, biko nwanne. Lol

Shepherd00 nwanne, leave argument for now and join me in this search. Lol

1. Faith under fire by Lee Strobel.
2. The case for Christianity by Lee strobel.

Other related PDF files or direct download link are also welcomed.

@OP I don't mean to derail this thread, keep up with your good works.

Thanks.

God bless.

EnthronedbyGod:



I'll share just very few.

I was waiting upon the Lord and as I was praying I saw the heavens open and fire coming down to engulf me like a mighty hedge and I became impenetrable.

I prayed and waited more I saw fire again from heaven envelope my mouth and my mouth was full of fire.


I prayed and waited and that's when I saw a greater shock. I saw my tongue transform into a very sharp sword with 2 edges. I got so confused and didn't know the meaning, till the Spirit led me to the book of revelation.
God told me as from today anyone you bless is blessed, and anyone you curse is cursed.


The will of God is to transform everyone to Christ's image.

Cool just like Elijah have tried to reach you no response. Biko bless me ooo.

EnthronedbyGod:



There were 2 types of wine in the Bible days, fresh wine and fermented wine.

Fresh wine wasn't alcoholic, but fermented wine was.

The water that Jesus turned to wine, was fresh wine and not fermented wine.

The wine that Paul told Timothy to drink was fresh wine and not fermented wine.

Its wrong for Christians to take alcoholic beverages.

I missed this post for long. Some "Christians" are quick to give carnal interpretation for self justification but same folks will never allow the dead bury their dead literally or cast their bread upon the water in a bid to find it after many days as literally commanded by bible.

CaveAdullam:
Classic specie of a human being @muttleylaff please I want you to help me with the PDF files below should in case you have it in your shelf. This is the present location I can find you and please don't find it offensive, biko nwanne. Lol

Shepherd00 nwanne, leave argument for now and join me in this search. Lol

1. Faith under fire by Lee Strobel.
2. The case for Christianity by Lee strobel.

Other related PDF files or direct download link are also welcomed.

@OP I don't mean to derail this thread, keep up with your good works.

Thanks.

God bless.

I doubt if they have PDF versions yet. I checked, it's not there.

Shepherd00:
I doubt if they have PDF versions yet. I checked, it's not there.

1. Faith under Fire by Lee Strobel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyEkHJ0jKNY&list=PL_IZBabl5Ol2nUIhFALtQ661s6oOsGazE&index=12&t=0s

2. The case for Christianity by Lee Strobel.
http://www.divinerevelations.info/pdf/the_case_for_christ.pdf

Bonus
3. The Questions Christians Hope No One Will Ask (with answers) by Mark Mittelberg.
https://files.tyndale.com/thpdata/FirstChapters/978-1-4143-1591-1.pdf

@CaveAdullam, please let me know how you got on with watching "Popular Videos – Lee Strobel & Faith Under Fire" and downloading the other two, OK?
Shepherd00 is correct there is no pdf versions easily or straightforwardly available yet, besides this was done as a discussion project, so you're better off watching it, as a video, as opposed to reading

michaelkaroh:

Lol..
But seriously, why does sexual temptation seem to be the most used tactic of the fallen ones....baffles me.

It has been the most potent from time immemorial.

Shepherd00:

You have given two categories of Born Again Christians. lol. Are these according to scriptures or your opinion?

ignore that guy, he isn't born again

Tweak2k:




Cool just like Elijah have tried to reach you no response. Biko bless me ooo.

I don't seem to understand you

EnthronedbyGod:
oinos simply means wine.

yayin means fermented or intoxicating wine.

Stop misinterpreting scriptures to suit your narrative.

God bless

Original: οἶνος


Original: οἶνος

Transliteration: oinos

Phonetic: oy'-nos

Thayer Definition:

wine metaphorically fiery wine of God's wrath

Origin: a primary word

TDNT entry: 07:42,7

Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's Definition: A primary word ; " wine" (literally or figuratively): - wine.



Original: יין

Transliteration: yayin

Phonetic: yah'-yin

BDB Definition:

wine

Origin: from an unused root meaning to effervesce

TWOT entry: 864

Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's Definition: From an unused root meaning to effervesce ; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: -banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].

Galatians 5: 19- Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


 20- Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21-  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Let's check the meaning of the word drunkenness.


Original: μέθη

Transliteration: methē

Phonetic: meth'-ay

Thayer Definition:

intoxication ,drunkenness

Origin: apparently a root word

TDNT entry: 13:05,6

Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

Strong's Definition: Apparently a primary word; an intoxicant, that is, (by implication) intoxication: - drunkenness.

Gotten from the word intoxicant.

Indirectly proving that taking intoxicants is very wrong, cos it's classified under the works of the flesh.

We have to be very careful of what we say as Christians, so that we don't lead Christ's flock astray.

God bless

michaelkaroh:
Lol..
But seriously, why does sexual temptation seem to be the most used tactic of the fallen ones....baffles me.

The devil knows who to use sexual temptation on and who not to bother trying it on with

EnthronedbyGod:
It has been the most potent from time immemorial.

It is true, its the most potent tactic from time immemorial used on fallen ones, but notice that the devil never tried the sex temptation trick with Jesus Christ, but instead went for other types of lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes with Him. Now the devil with this other particular lust of the flesh had nothing to do with sex and/or a fruit, like as was with Eve and the lust of the eyes, had nothing to do with sex, like as was with King David and Bathsheba.

[img]https://s3/images/MuttleyFearless.jpg[/img]
Please ignore the fearless cat in the above picture, that's a red herring, the real objects of interest in the above picture, are the self-disciplined Alsatian German Shepherd dogs, staying in their stations and not going chasing after the bold and without a care in the world taking a stroll cat. That is the beauty of self-discipline, captured in "a picture is worth a thousand words" taken shot.

Some cats can be left to guard a fish without eating it and some can be given a bowl of milk to guard without licking it.
Now, if one is not fortified, if one is not grounded in the word of God, if one is not standing on the word of God, if one loses focus on God, and if one is not self disciplined, then one is giving the devil a freehand and easy access to try and exploit weakness or dent(s) in ones armour

EnthronedbyGod:
Original: οἶνος

Original: οἶνος

Transliteration: oinos

Phonetic: oy'-nos

Thayer Definition:

wine metaphorically fiery wine of God's wrath

Origin: a primary word

TDNT entry: 07:42,7

Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's Definition: A primary word ; " wine" (literally or figuratively): - wine.

Original: יין

Transliteration: yayin

Phonetic: yah'-yin

BDB Definition:

wine

Origin: from an unused root meaning to effervesce

TWOT entry: 864

Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's Definition: From an unused root meaning to effervesce ; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: -banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].

"... What language is "oinos" in and what language is "yayin" in, hmm?
Dont bother, its a rhetoric question, because the former is Greek, while the latter is Hebrew, the light bulb moment about the two words, is that they both mean the same thing, as in, mean alcoholic/fermented drink"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 12:50am On Aug 11

EnthronedbyGod:
Galatians 5:
19- Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20- Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21-  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Let's check the meaning of the word drunkenness.

Original: μέθη

Transliteration: methē

Phonetic: meth'-ay

Thayer Definition:

intoxication, drunkenness

Origin: apparently a root word

TDNT entry: 13:05,6

Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

Strong's Definition: Apparently a primary word; an intoxicant, that is, (by implication) intoxication: - drunkenness.

Gotten from the word intoxicant.

Indirectly proving that taking intoxicants is very wrong, cos it's classified under the works of the flesh.

We have to be very careful of what we say as Christians, so that we don't lead Christ's flock astray.

God bless

"Do you think Jesus wasnt aware of the words "oinos" and "yayin" at all, hmm? Why did Jesus not use either "oinos" and "yayin", but calculatingly, consciously and deliberately used "fruit of the vine" instead, huh?

Jesus avoided using the Greek word "oinos" and the Hebrew word "yayin", because both means intoxicating wine, as in, obviously a fermented/alcoholic drink/intoxicating wine

Now please EnthronedbyGod, explain:
1/ Why was Jesus called a winebibber and/or a drunkard?
2/ Was it because of drinking grape fruit juice and/or fresh wine that's not fermented, erhn?"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 12:50am On Aug 11

Nwanne, it has already been typed that drinking alcoholics is for merriment, to cheer oneself up, for socialising etcetera, but never to be abused, never to be misused, never to get drunk on, and surely never to be addicted to

I used myself as part of the discussion, that personally, I dont necessarily drink alcohol, that it has nothing to do with doctrine per se, but truly, the reason is, I have the right to do anything but not everything really is that beneficial to me. Of course, it was 1 Corinthians 6:13 I paraphrased in my last sentence, so yeah, drinking alcohol isnt really profitable, at least not for me, and besides I am more of a social drinker than a habitual one anyway.

Also raised the fact that, when Paul was advising Timothy about dealing with his health issues, it wasnt fruit juice or fresh wine that's not fermented, Paul was advising Timothy to take drink for his health issues etcetera

How fresh wine or fresh wine that's not fermented, as in, wine with no alcoholic content, can relieve someone in ailing health like Timothy was is baffling. We ought to recognise that the Greek word used by Paul, in 1 Timothy 5:23, is the word "oinos", which means intoxicating wine, as in, obviously a fermented/alcoholic drink. Grape fruit juice doesnt fire anyone up in the stomach, it is very good alcoholic wine, that shakes you up and shudders you, so that all that sickness dissipates and flies off the body. That is why Paul recommended alcoholic wine and not grape fruit juice nor fresh wine that's not fermented, to Timothy. Lets be clear on this truth and accept it as fact.

I recall it being typed too, that the aftermath of the abuse and/or misuse of wine/alcohol is unbecoming. Also that, drunkenness and addiction to wine/alcohol is a behaviour not fitting or appropriate for any son/daughter of God. Even Ephesians 5:18 was cited as being, a very informative and a useful verse concerning the preferred state of being drunk and preferred sort of intoxication (i.e. Holy Spirit intoxicant) Worldly intoxicants, like beverages, medicines etcetera used the right way and in safe doses is not bad or wrong

As generationz highlighted we don suppose to have passed these scare tactics stages. Education and knowledge instead of using heavy handed tactics and scare strategies

Self control (i.e. self-discipline) is one of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. You better fervently begin to pray for the manifestation of self control (i.e. self-discipline) if you're not enjoying and not tasting it in the fruit of the Holy Spirit you're eating, that's if at all you're eating it. Some just leave the fruit of Holy Spirit sitting on a fruit bowl on the dinning table serving as a decoration, without bothering to eat and enjoy tasting it.

nice work you're doing here OP

@enthronedbyGrace

may God bless and increase you in all aspect of life according to his will.


please sir, I have a question.


How do witchcraft operate?
How do they initiate people?
Is a witch just some one that flies in the night??
what's their main aim? like why do they target people who have done them no wrong?
can someone be a witch without knowing?
How can their power be totally broken over a life and family?


I once heard someone said that if a far-away witch wants to destroy a person, she'll use another witch close to that person, is this true?

I've noticed that most people that sell food, akara, okpa etc. are mostly considered witches and I'm beginning to think it's a way of manipulating the destinies of people in a territory through what they sell??


Please what's your opinion as the Spirit of God reveals to you sir?


I'm sorry for the plenty questions

EnthronedbyGod:
Galatians 5: 19- Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


 20- Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21-  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Let's check the meaning of the word drunkenness.


Original: μέθη

Transliteration: methē

Phonetic: meth'-ay

Thayer Definition:

intoxication ,drunkenness

Origin: apparently a root word

TDNT entry: 13:05,6

Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

Strong's Definition: Apparently a primary word; an intoxicant, that is, (by implication) intoxication: - drunkenness.

Gotten from the word intoxicant.

Indirectly proving that taking intoxicants is very wrong, cos it's classified under the works of the flesh.

We have to be very careful of what we say as Christians, so that we don't lead Christ's flock astray.

God bless

Personally, I believe taking wine isn't a sin but Christians should take it however.

EnthronedbyGod:



I don't seem to understand you

I said you have anointing like Elijah anybody he bless with be bless. I want you to bless me cause I believe men like you have a very close relationship with God. Fasting for 8 years no be small tin.
Am passing through a lot have tried to contact you no response .

Biko bless me oooo

[quote author=Igbaf post=81148853][/quote]

Sent you an email

Shepherd00:

What the hell? She was obviously being used without knowing it.

Yes, just like many Christians ignorantly work for the devil without knowing. Peter was an example when he rebuked Jesus, after Jesus said He was going to die on the cross.

Some have even done so on this thread not knowing they had entertained thoughts from the devil.

There are so many ignorant witches, working on the streets but don't even know they are witches.

Tweak2k:



I said you have anointing like Elijah anybody he bless with be bless. I want you to bless me cause I believe men like you have a very close relationship with God. Fasting for 8 years no be small tin.
Am passing through a lot have tried to contact you no response .

Biko bless me oooo

Don't hype me any further.

It wasn't me but the grace of God.

Jesus said without Him we can do nothing.

Replied your PM

EnthronedbyGod:



It has been the most potent from time immemorial.

Right.

MuttleyLaff:


1. Faith under Fire by Lee Strobel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyEkHJ0jKNY&list=PL_IZBabl5Ol2nUIhFALtQ661s6oOsGazE&index=12&t=0s

Got it. But I need to pay more attention so that I can be able to understand the main point.

MuttleyLaff:
2. The case for Christianity by Lee Strobel.
http://www.divinerevelations.info/pdf/the_case_for_christ.pdf

I have this before. Thanks anyways.

MuttleyLaff:
Bonus
3. The Questions Christians Hope No One Will Ask (with answers) by Mark Mittelberg.
https://files.tyndale.com/thpdata/FirstChapters/978-1-4143-1591-1.pdf

This is just the excerpt of the book. I will appreciate if you can help me with the complete PDF file.

Thanks.

God bless.

EnthronedbyGod:


Don't hype me any further.
It wasn't me but the grace of God.
Jesus said without Him we can do nothing.
Replied your PM

alright sent you a pm.

Am inviting you to join CYFANN (Christian Youths For A New Nigeria) on WhatsApp.

https:///CDCbMAXTxzn4rRues2RXkF

As much as some people have tried in the past to put an end/ or save this nation called Nigeria in the past (e.g Fela, Gani Fawehinmi, Nnamdi KANU, Saro wiwa to mention just a few), they were either frustrated, arrested or killed. This is because the demonic forces holding down Nigeria is too strong and Nigeria cannot be freed by ANY HUMAN ABILITY.

1 SAM 2:9 SAYS He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; FOR BY STRENGTH SHALL NO MAN PREVAIL.

We can only silent the wicked in Nigeria by doing it the way of CHRIST.
Sowoore also tried to move for freedom of Nigerians recently bbut we all saw what the government did to him. They knew long before Sowoore that respite is coming to Nigerians and just like herod tried to kill the baby Jesus,they are doing everything to silence anybody that stands up to challenge their UNHIDDEN hatred and annihilation of Christians. Join us on WhatsApp today.

EnthronedbyGod:
Instantly I saw myself going towards the throne that was empty to sit on it.


As I sat on the throne, the Lord Jesus stood at my back with a shining gold crown with many stars and placed it on my head.

As He placed it on my head, He spoke and said a King is born this day.


He removed the signet in His finger and placed it in my finger and said, I send you this day in my name.

Some other things happened which I wouldn't say here so that people don't misunderstand my intentions.

I want to ask a question. No offense Jesus you saw does he look like the one you we see in movies and pictures?

Tweak2k:



I want to ask a question. No offense Jesus you saw does he look like the one you we see in movies and pictures?

he will never answer this

EnthronedbyGod:



Yes, just like many Christians ignorantly work for the devil without knowing. Peter was an example when he rebuked Jesus, after Jesus said He was going to die on the cross.

Some have even done so on this thread not knowing they had entertained thoughts from the devil.

There are so many ignorant witches, working on the streets but don't even know they are witches.

Hmmmmmm. Charismatic witches you mean?