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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 11:20pm On Aug 08
The only church there was the Catholic church.

No Pentecostal church survived there.

The church began to grow in leaps and bounds, and God confirmed the word with signs and wonders following.

I had some pastor friends from same church but different districts. We usually visited each others churches for revival.

My problem started immediately they noticed the grace of God upon my life and envy set in.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 11:25pm On Aug 08
I had a young landlord whose mother was the queen of the witchcraft kingdom in the community.

She did everything to frustrate me but failed.

I prophesied to this young landlord and told him, he would be the next LCGA deputy chairman, and before you know he was nominated.

One day he came to me for prayers, I was so inexperienced and I opened up to him and told him, his own mother was the queen of the witchcraft kingdom.

He went to his mother and that was how my problem started.

She turned him against me, he eventually lost that sit as the deputy chairman and was replaced.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 11:30pm On Aug 08
This young landlord ganged up against me and told my members that the reason I didn't use to collect gift from them was because I suspected them of witchcraft,but it was a lie, I actually refused to take gift from anyone as instructed by the Spirit from Exodus 23:8.

He and those envious pastors with some of my members that were once loyal to me, whom God had blessed through my ministry ganged up and disgraced me out of the church.

This were people who had been healed of HIV, diabetes, broken marriage, e.t.c.

I packed my luggage and went back home.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 11:36pm On Aug 08
I got home and wanted to enrol in several Bible schools, but the Spirit forbade me.


I registered in a foreign Bible school, but it bounced and didn't go through. The Spirit then led me to Job 36:22 and also Galatians 1, and told me He was going to train me Himself, because of my call.

That was when I went into the 8 years fasting and that's why I normally tell people that I was taught 90% of what I know today, by the Holy Ghost.

After I joined another ministry but didn't last more than few months.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 11:42pm On Aug 08
Every where I went I saw fiery persecution,tempations, trials, betrayal, heavy rejection, this is one of the reasons I don't really have a friend, e.t.c.

I can't state the things I've been through cos it will seem like exaggeration.

I went into business and made loads od money as a business man.


2 pastors came to me and told me to join their ministry, but I declined.

A young pastor started coming to me for counseling and later pleaded with me to join and help him build his ministry, the Spirit permitted me and I joined him

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 11:48pm On Aug 08
The church started growing, we moved out to a better place and even started running 2 services.

The members loved me so much, after 2 years, God told me my time was up.

I refused to leave and I was struck with low blood pressure, i still didn't leave.
I did a wrong business and lost 7.5million.
I still didn't leave, then the low blood pressure came a second time.

4 of the members told me, they had a revelation that I died.

God then told me that if I don't leave, I would die and my ministry will be handed to someone else.

I submitted to God's will and ran for my dear life.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 11:54pm On Aug 08
God told me my time was drawing near, but that the moment my time comes, He will direct me to the pastor of one of the mega Churches, whom I'll serve under for a very short spell, before starting on my own.


He said it was necessary I served under someone of repute for a short while, no matter how short, cos if I don't my ministry will have a lot of question marks.


I've been waiting for this , but I'm yet to receive a signal.

This is why I don't have anyone I can really call father in the Lord yet, but I have a lot of great men of God I admire.

I intentionally didn't name any Church

Hope you understand now.


God bless

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Unik3030: 11:56pm On Aug 08
EnthronedbyGod:
Every where I went I saw fiery persecution,tempations, trials, betrayal, heavy rejection, this is one of the reasons I don't really have a friend, e.t.c.

I can't state the things I've been through cos it will seem like exaggeration.

I went into business and made loads od money as a business man.


2 pastors came to me and told me to join their ministry, but I declined.

A young pastor started coming to me for counseling and later pleaded with me to join and help him build his ministry, the Spirit permitted me and I joined him
please share it with us n ignore those calling it exaggeration cos we are here to learn
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 10:20am On Aug 09
Unik3030:
bro please pray for me, though I can't see u but I have faith n I believe it will work. I need breakthrough


I think you should change your email and send me another PM, cos I replied the first one you sent but it bounced back.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 10:31am On Aug 09
EnthronedbyGod:
God told me my time was drawing near, but that the moment my time comes, He will direct me to the pastor of one of the mega Churches, whom I'll serve under for a very short spell, before starting on my own.


He said it was necessary I served under someone of repute for a short while, no matter how short, cos if I don't my ministry will have a lot of question marks.


I've been waiting for this , but I'm yet to receive a signal.

This is why I don't have anyone I can really call father in the Lord yet, but I have a lot of great men of God I admire.

I intentionally didn't name any Church

Hope you understand now.


God bless


Paul didn't have anyone as a father in the Lord, for he received the gospel he preached by revelation, but it came to a point in his ministry that he was led by the Spirit of God, to go identify with those that had gone before him.

Galatians 2:2- And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

If he didn't do this, his ministry would have had question marks, not because he needed their validation , but it made his gospel more acceptable and he ended up not running in vain.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Daninya111: 8:19pm On Aug 09
EnthronedbyGod:



If I can remember you have sent me a PM, more than once and I replied all, but you are yet to respond.
Check your mail and if it's not active get an active mail and send me a PM

I have replied your pm sir.

I patiently await your response sir.

Tnx and God bless you sir
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Fvckmoderators: 10:53am On Aug 10
CodeTemplar:


Important to know that occult people too bless things in names of dark beings before consuming them.

Some believers avoid blessed substances like anointing oil and holy communion. These are normal everyday substances and the main difference between the occult version and Kingdom of God one is the names in which they are blessed. That's why you have to test all spirits.
Your faith is needed for the good one but the bad one only needs them to subdue your flesh to sensitize it to those evil spirit beings and things.

Even Jesus gave the his disciples fruit juice after blessing it and called it His blood.


He gave them WINE.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by CodeTemplar: 1:16pm On Aug 10
Fvckmoderators:

He gave them WINE.
how?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Fvckmoderators: 1:21pm On Aug 10
CodeTemplar:
how?

People keep saying fruit juice to justify the debate that Jesus didn't drink alcohol.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by CodeTemplar: 1:36pm On Aug 10
Fvckmoderators:


People keep saying fruit juice to justify the debate that Jesus didn't drink alcohol.
Are you OK mentally? Because people keep saying.... therefore it is a lie. Why not provide scriptures to back up your claims?
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 4:19pm On Aug 10
CodeTemplar:
Are you OK mentally? Because people keep saying.... therefore it is a lie. Why not provide scriptures to back up your claims?

Please don't use harsh words on a brother.
It was indeed wine that the LORD Jesus drank with his deciples. Wine and food are not abominations but drunkenness and gluttony are, Speaking is not evil but cursing is, jokes are not bad but foolish jesting is.....

Bless you.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by CodeTemplar: 6:49pm On Aug 10
michaelkaroh:


Please don't use harsh words on a brother.
It was indeed wine that the LORD Jesus drank with his deciples. Wine and food are not abominations but drunkenness and gluttony are, Speaking is not evil but cursing is, jokes are not bad but foolish jesting is.....

Bless you.
You appear even more unstable than the other moniker.
If you find nothing out of place in someone coming in here and concluding it is alcoholic wine just because 'people' keep saying it is fruit juice, then you are more unstable.

I have been trying to avoid trolls on multiple handles for some time now.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 7:01pm On Aug 10
CodeTemplar:

You appear even more unstable than the other moniker.
If you find nothing out of place in someone coming in here and concluding it is alcoholic wine just because 'people' keep saying it is fruit juice, then you are more unstable.

I have been trying to avoid trolls on multiple handles for some time now.

Throwing insults won't get you far my friend. It is clearly stated in the scriptures that the wine they took right from the time of Noah made men drunk. Only alcoholic wines produce such effects. Why are some(you) christians against alcoholic drinks?

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by CodeTemplar: 7:22pm On Aug 10
michaelkaroh:


Throwing insults won't get you far my friend. It is clearly stated in the scriptures that the wine they took right from the time of Noah made men drunk. Only alcoholic wines produce such effects. Why are some(you) christians against alcoholic drinks?
You shouldn't have come at me with another account and indirectly by replying me that "He gave them WINE."

To further prove your low level of reasoning, you are now shifting focus entirely by asking me about why some(me) Christians are against alcoholic drinks?

I won't answer you for you are not straightforward.

But for the sake of onlookers looking to learn. Mathews 26:29 clearly refers to vine and not wine, and from English we know that vine is about fruits and not alcohol.


Matthew 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 7:42pm On Aug 10
CodeTemplar:
You shouldn't have come at me with another account and indirectly by replying me that "He gave them WINE."

To further prove your low level of reasoning, you are now shifting focus entirely by asking me about why some(me) Christians are against alcoholic drinks?

I won't answer you for you are not straightforward.

But for the sake of onlookers looking to learn. Mathews 26:29 clearly refers to vine and not wine, and from English we know that vine is about fruits and not alcohol.


Matthew 26:29
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Vine is the plant, grapevine(grape) is the fruit. Grapes are used to make wine. You can look it up.
Please try to show some respect.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by CodeTemplar: 7:48pm On Aug 10
michaelkaroh:


Vine is the plant, grapevine(grape) is the fruit. Grapes are used to make wine. You can look it up.
Please try to show some respect.
You don't apply for respect but earn it.
So Jesus should have said "fruit of the grapevine" instead of "fruit of the vine" right?

Or are you subtly accepting your error and at same time shifting it into a debate about English?
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by bayodaniel: 7:50pm On Aug 10
You see why i asked u now.It is not only because of questions,but also because of accountability.There are always a destiny company.


EnthronedbyGod:
God told me my time was drawing near, but that the moment my time comes, He will direct me to the pastor of one of the mega Churches, whom I'll serve under for a very short spell, before starting on my own.


He said it was necessary I served under someone of repute for a short while, no matter how short, cos if I don't my ministry will have a lot of question marks.


I've been waiting for this , but I'm yet to receive a signal.

This is why I don't have anyone I can really call father in the Lord yet, but I have a lot of great men of God I admire.

I intentionally didn't name any Church

Hope you understand now.


God bless

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by bayodaniel: 7:52pm On Aug 10
In a sense,he had Barnabas.




EnthronedbyGod:



Paul didn't have anyone as a father in the Lord, for he received the gospel he preached by revelation, but it came to a point in his ministry that he was led by the Spirit of God, to go identify with those that had gone before him.

Galatians 2:2- And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

If he didn't do this, his ministry would have had question marks, not because he needed their validation , but it made his gospel more acceptable and he ended up not running in vain.


Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by bayodaniel: 8:06pm On Aug 10
Kindly accept my pm.


EnthronedbyGod:



You sent me a PM, I believe you should have asked me this question there, but no p, the truth is I don't want people to misunderstand me when I give you an answer.

I didn't really want to answer your question here, but will do.

1- Every true ministers salvation must be verified, but not everyone must have a father in the Lord or a direct authority above him, Paul was a clear example of this.

2- I wish I had a father in the Lord growing up as a Christian, cos it would have made a lot of things easier for me.

3- My race as a Christian has been somehow strange.

I'll share a little story with you, so you'll understand me better

Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 8:59pm On Aug 10
CodeTemplar:

You don't apply for respect but earn it.
So Jesus should have said "fruit of the grapevine" instead of "fruit of the vine" right?

Or are you subtly accepting your error and at same time shifting it into a debate about English?
Kk

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 9:50pm On Aug 10
Fvckmoderators:
He gave them WINE.
Thanks ojaare. Somebori please give this guy an "oti sẹwọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts because hin head dey there correct correct.

CodeTemplar:
how?

Fvckmoderators:
People keep saying fruit juice to justify the debate that Jesus didn't drink alcohol.
Disregard what people keep saying Fvckmoderators. Now to your knowledge and understanding, was it or was it not fruit juice Jesus gave His disciples during the last supper, hmm?

CodeTemplar:
Are you OK mentally? Because people keep saying.... therefore it is a lie. Why not provide scriptures to back up your claims?
Overlook this cruel and/or unkind comment Fvckmoderators

CodeTemplar:
You don't apply for respect but earn it.
So Jesus should have said "fruit of the grapevine" instead of "fruit of the vine" right?

Or are you subtly accepting your error and at same time shifting it into a debate about English?

michaelkaroh:
Kk
"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit"
- Ephesians 5:18

"So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this!"
- Ecclesiastes 9:7

"I will restore my people Israel. They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink the wine from them. They will plant gardens and eat their fruit."
- Amos 9:14

""Listen! Whoever is thirsty, come to the water! Whoever has no money can come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk. You don't have to pay; its free!"
- Isaiah 55:1

Oh no. Is it all now already all over? So you've had enough and quitting with a "Kk", hmm?

I guess CodeTemplar was right then about you not being straightforward. Seems you're not sure about the bible's complete/full stance on alcohol and thats why you got things conflated and mixed up.

We know that Jesus turned water into wine but when it came to Him commanding us about re-enacting the Holy Communion, He deliberately opted for fruit juice or fruit of the vine, in being used, to do this. Of course, Jesus offered His disciples fruit juice during the first Holy Communion, but He never at any time, commanded against drinking alcohol, nor was He against consumption of alcohol, and this is evidenced when He turned water to wine (i.e. "oinos", Greek usual word that means intoxicating wine, that's obviously fermented/alcoholic)

Personally, I dont necessarily drink alcohol, this is not because of any doctrine per se, but truly the reason is, I have the right to do anything but not everything really is that beneficial to me, besides I am more of a social drinker than a habitual one anyway.

When Paul was advising Timothy about dealing with his health issues, it wasnt fruit juice Paul was advising Timothy to take drink for it

The aftermath of the abuse and/or misuse of wine/alcohol is unbecoming. Drunkenness and addiction to wine/alcohol is a behaviour not fitting or appropriate for any son/daughter of God. Ephesians 5:18 reproduced above, is very informative and a useful verse concerning the preferred state of being drunk and preferred sort of intoxication.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 9:56pm On Aug 10
Unik3030:
please share it with us n ignore those calling it exaggeration cos we are here to learn


if I start sharing this thread will get to more than 100 pages

I'll see what I will do though, might share small.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 10:03pm On Aug 10
bayodaniel:
In a sense,he had Barnabas.






Barnabas wasn't a father in the Lord nor of a higher authority to Paul, but was somehow a subordinate, for the scriptures make it clear that all the while Paul worked together with Barnabas, Paul was the chief speaker and not Barnabas.
You can verify from the book of acts.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 10:09pm On Aug 10
michaelkaroh:


Vine is the plant, grapevine(grape) is the fruit. Grapes are used to make wine. You can look it up.
Please try to show some respect.


There were 2 types of wine in the Bible days, fresh wine and fermented wine.

Fresh wine wasn't alcoholic, but fermented wine was.

The water that Jesus turned to wine, was fresh wine and not fermented wine.

The wine that Paul told Timothy to drink was fresh wine and not fermented wine.

Its wrong for Christians to take alcoholic beverages.

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Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 10:12pm On Aug 10
MuttleyLaff:


"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit"
- Ephesians 5:18

"So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this!"
- Ecclesiastes 9:7

"I will restore my people Israel. They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink the wine from them. They will plant gardens and eat their fruit."
- Amos 9:14

""Listen! Whoever is thirsty, come to the water! Whoever has no money can come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk. You don't have to pay; its free!"
- Isaiah 55:1

Oh no. Is it all now already all over? So you've had enough and quitting with a "Kk", hmm?

I guess CodeTemplar was right then about you not being straightforward. Seems you're not sure about the bible's complete/full stance on alcohol and thats why you got things conflated and mixed up.

We know that Jesus turned water into wine but when it came to Him commanding us about re-enacting the Holy Communion, He deliberately opted for fruit juice or fruit of the vine, in being used, to do this. Of course, Jesus offered His disciples fruit juice during the first Holy Communion, but He never at any time, commanded against drinking alcohol, nor was He against consumption of alcohol, and this is evidenced when He turned water to wine (i.e. "oinos", Greek usual word that means intoxicating wine, that's obviously fermented/alcoholic)

Personally, I dont necessarily drink alcohol, this is not because of any doctrine per se, but truly the reason is, I have the right to do anything but not everything really is that beneficial to me, besides I am more of a social drinker than a habitual one anyway.

When Paul was advising Timothy about dealing with his health issues, it wasnt fruit juice Paul was advising Timothy to take drink for it

The aftermath of the abuse and/or misuse of wine/alcohol is unbecoming. Drunkenness and addiction to wine/alcohol is a behaviour not fitting or appropriate for any son/daughter of God. Ephesians 5:18 reproduced above, is very informative and a useful verse concerning the preferred state of being drunk and preferred sort of intoxication.

You make long posts and end up saying nothing meaningful.
Please, if you would, give answers to these questions...
1. What is a vine?
2. What is the fruit of the vine?
3. What beverage is made from the fruit of the vine?
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by michaelkaroh: 10:24pm On Aug 10
EnthronedbyGod:



There were 2 types of wine in the Bible days, fresh wine and fermented wine.

Fresh wine wasn't alcoholic, but fermented wine was.

The water that Jesus turned to wine, was fresh wine and not fermented wine.

The wine that Paul told Timothy to drink was fresh wine and not fermented wine.

Its wrong for Christians to take alcoholic beverages.
My brother, all wines are alcoholic. The difference between old wine (strong drink) and new wine is just the alcoholic content. Freshly tapped palm wine is still alcoholic but not as much as the old one (fermented).
It was never stated that it's wrong to consume alcoholic beverages once one accepts Christ.
Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Nobody: 10:42pm On Aug 10
michaelkaroh:

My brother, all wines are alcoholic. The difference between old wine (strong drink) and new wine is just the alcoholic content. Freshly tapped palm wine is still alcoholic but not as much as the old one (fermented).
It was never stated that it's wrong to consume alcoholic beverages once one accepts Christ.


Not all wines are alcoholic.

Proverbs 31:6 - Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Proverbs 20:1- Wine is a mocker, string drink is raging , and Whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

These are scripture references.

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