i can see u really didn't watch M0S. 1. Krypt0nite wasn't introduced. 2. It was established the krypt0nians were invulnerable to all human weap0ns. 3. Kent was just a farm boy who just discovered he had powerz and was forced into a fight and to pick a side. 4. He wasn't established as being a strategist. The plan to send the krypt0nians back to the phant0m z0ne wasn't his but his father's. Kent didn't kn0w zod won't follow into the dimensi0n. 5. After that phant0m projector was destroyed, it was established there was no other way to defeat zod. He had all of clark's powerz by then. 6. Zod was pissed, mad, his mind made up. His mind early on was centred on only one thing: gen0cide. Jor el tried to bargain with him, u saw how it went. 7. Zod couldn't be negotiated with. 8. After the m0ther ship was destroyed, zod hated everything abt Kent. [after the ship was destroyed, and the krypt0nians sent to the z0ne] zod: [picks up sand] we could have built a new krypt0n in this scouler. My sole purpose was to ensure the survival of krypt0n, [with spite in his eyes] that is what you have taken fr0m me... Kent: [lo0ks empathic with zod, hoping to negotiate a truce. Zod hits him b4 he could say a word] zod: this humans u've adopted, am going to take them fr0m you Kal. Kent: you are m0nster Zod, and am going to stop u [n0w that line showed Clark's characterizati0n as an inexperienced hero rather than superman] [the fight begins] Zod: there is only one way to end this Kal, it's either u die or i do. [m0re destructi0n fr0m the fight as people die in the background. Superman has zod pinned. Zod wanting to make kent sad, catches a family l0oking to flee, sets his heat visi0n at them. Kent sees what Zod is aiming at] Kent: [begging] stop this zod. Zod: never! Kent: stop! [zod still bent on frying the family, kent l0oks on, caught in the m0ment and to act on instinct, the family l0oks at him in desperati0n] if u were to write that scene, what would u have d0ne?
First of, starting a movie where the hero is snapping people's neck is a red light.
Secondly, Zod should not have been MoS first villain, luthor would had been preferably or even parasite could had been better.
Thirdly, how can a farm boy overwhelm a military general all on his own, just after discovering his powers.
Fourthly, Clark doesn't kill people anyhow, if not luthor could had been dead since.
Fifthly, Comics Zod can be reasoned with though difficult.
Finally, that script should have been rewritten to prevent so much controversies.
First of, starting a movie where the hero is snapping people's neck is a red light.
Secondly, Zod should not have been MoS first villain, luthor would had been preferably or even parasite could had been better.
Thirdly, how can a farm boy overwhelm a military general all on his own, just after discovering his powers.
Fourthly, Clark doesn't kill people anyhow, if not luthor could had been dead since.
Fifthly, Comics Zod can be reasoned with though difficult.
Finally, that script should have been rewritten to prevent so much controversies.
how many neck's did he go abt snapping? Oh, they should've made Luthor the villain eh, wait, was that n0t superman returns all over again? Parasite as villain for an origin story? Dude, Clark was just learning who he was. Atimes, u ch0ose characterz based on the themes u want to explore. Parasite could've w0rked but n0t in an origin story. The villain would've w0rked well with superman returns n0t M0S. Bros, the theme of MOS was all abt identity. S0mething that reflected in Zod, clark, lois and with the Kents. Parasite is m0stly used when trying to explore themes like "weakness in the all powerful", and such themes are used when superman is an established character. That's when u use luthor or parasite. U need to show why lex would hate superman and u can't do that without developing him. And MOS wasn't abt kent being superman. It was abt kent asking if he was just kal el or both a s0n of the kents. Am a n0velist bro, u d0n't go into a ficti0n with a developed character or spelling everything out for readerz, and m0st of all, u d0n't write the easy way out [i.e endgame, time travel plot device etc]. This aspect superman the m0vie ign0red. People were asking, what made superman, superman. Why the no kill rule? Etc. We all knew why bruce has an aversi0n to killing and guns. He saw it, he witnessed it. But u can't put Kent in same situati0n as Bruce. So, u put him in a p0siti0n where he is forced to act on instinct. N0w, this is where BvS c0mes in. In the ultimate cut, J0nathan's ghost told Clark s0mething abt acting on instinct; telling him a story of how he and clark's grandfather tried acting on instinct to save their farm fr0m flo0ding only to have the animals die in the aftermath. That was a less0n Clark needed to learn. Clark wasn't birthed as superman. He became superman by learning.
First of, starting a movie where the hero is snapping people's neck is a red light.
Secondly, Zod should not have been MoS first villain, luthor would had been preferably or even parasite could had been better.
Thirdly, how can a farm boy overwhelm a military general all on his own, just after discovering his powers.
Fourthly, Clark doesn't kill people anyhow, if not luthor could had been dead since.
Fifthly, Comics Zod can be reasoned with though difficult.
Finally, that script should have been rewritten to prevent so much controversies.
Chai, even the first superman movie featuring Christopher Reeves had Zod as a villain. Christopher Reeves' Superman even killed Zod intently in this iteration (see the scene below). Why do you guys really think you know better than the combination of Christopher Nolan, David Goyer and Zack Snyder who pitched this Henry Cavill's Superman story to WB? All these internet armchair movie critics don tire me sef...
Blackspider: Man of steel. Snyder's movie moved far away from the comics Superman. He should had rewritten that storyline.
yea, i bet after superman snapped necks in MOS, he went abt smiling and grinning. Oh, zod was the friendly type u kn0w. The kind u'd have c0ffee with. Every m0vie adaptati0n of a b0ok has its own angle. The jas0n bourne films, harry potter, half of a yellow sun, legend of the seeker/sword of truth, the c0mics i.e x men, marvel etc. There are things that d0n't work on film but do on paper. There are things that are built on. I bet u are angry the mcu films didn't make t0ny stark an alcoholic, or that they never hinted or killed Ben Parker. Or that ven0m was n0w a hero instead of a villain. Or that alfred hooks up with Bruce wayne's mum. Or that supes grandfather had it with zod's m0ther or that zod was black and was kal el's uncle. These things are called a twist or a retelling. Same way, a m0dern retelling of r0meo and juliet would be fixed to match the present times or setting. If u ask me to put r0meo and juliet in the era of the cold war, d0n't be surprised i might make r0meo a russian spy and juliet the daughter of the american secretary of states who was s0mewhat blackmailing Paris' dad; the french president. It's a retelling.
Blackspider: What you are saying is total NONSENSE.
Is Doomsday humanoid? Answer ~ NO
Does Doomsday possess any form of human emotion? Answer ~ NO
Can Doomsday be reasoned with? Answer ~ NO
Do Doomsday say dead forever? Answer ~ NO
Is Doomsday purpose to kill? Answer ~ YES
Is Zod humanoid? Answer ~ YES
Does Zod possess any form of human emotion? Answer ~ YES
Can Zod be reasoned with? Answer ~ YES
Do Zod stay dead forever? Answer ~ YES
Is Zod purpose to kill? Answer ~ NO
Tell me why THOR didn't kill LOKI that had the same intentions as ZOD but went for the head against THANOS?
and than0s didn't show em0ti0ns? And than0s' purp0se was to kill? And than0s couldn't be reas0ned with? And than0s wasn't human0id? If zod's existential purp0se wasn't to kill in0rder to pr0tect krypt0n, why then did he kill those krypt0nian heads? Why kill a defenseless jor el who tried bargaining with him? Why plan gen0cide thr0ugh terraformati0n and using the codex to bring krypt0nians who he deems worthy to live while exterminating the others? Why go on a violent rampage? There were times clark wanted to reas0n with zod but he didn't listen. Even in Krypt0n the series, zod can't be reas0ned with. But as for than0s, u saw him reas0ning with dr. Strange. Than0s never went on a violent rampage just cos he wanted to exterminate a race or a group. Zod did this. He wanted to wipe every human alive to do this. Yea, u can reas0n with zod.
Blackspider: What you are saying is total NONSENSE.
Is Doomsday humanoid? Answer ~ NO
Does Doomsday possess any form of human emotion? Answer ~ NO
Can Doomsday be reasoned with? Answer ~ NO
Do Doomsday say dead forever? Answer ~ NO
Is Doomsday purpose to kill? Answer ~ YES
Is Zod humanoid? Answer ~ YES
Does Zod possess any form of human emotion? Answer ~ YES
Can Zod be reasoned with? Answer ~ YES
Do Zod stay dead forever? Answer ~ YES
Is Zod purpose to kill? Answer ~ NO
Tell me why THOR didn't kill LOKI that had the same intentions as ZOD but went for the head against THANOS?
first you said Superman has not killed anybody in Canon comics. You repeated these like two times. Now I mentioned Doomsday, then you changed mouth to he's not humanoid. You are the one confused, saying nonsense and shifting post as usual.
Chai, even the first superman movie featuring Christopher Reeves had Zod as a villain. Christopher Reeves' Superman even killed Zod intently in this iteration (see the scene below). Why do you guys really think you know better than the combination of Christopher Nolan, David Goyer and Zack Snyder who pitched this Henry Cavill's Superman story to WB? All these internet armchair movie critics don tire me sef...
I don't even care about this killing arguement cos I have no problems with it but how did this scene show superman killed zodhe was pushed down that place and we all know how durable zod is
how many neck's did he go abt snapping? Oh, they should've made Luthor the villain eh, wait, was that n0t superman returns all over again? Parasite as villain for an origin story? Dude, Clark was just learning who he was. Atimes, u ch0ose characterz based on the themes u want to explore. Parasite could've w0rked but n0t in an origin story. The villain would've w0rked well with superman returns n0t M0S. Bros, the theme of MOS was all abt identity. S0mething that reflected in Zod, clark, lois and with the Kents. Parasite is m0stly used when trying to explore themes like "weakness in the all powerful", and such themes are used when superman is an established character. That's when u use luthor or parasite. U need to show why lex would hate superman and u can't do that without developing him. And MOS wasn't abt kent being superman. It was abt kent asking if he was just kal el or both a s0n of the kents. Am a n0velist bro, u d0n't go into a ficti0n with a developed character or spelling everything out for readerz, and m0st of all, u d0n't write the easy way out [i.e endgame, time travel plot device etc]. This aspect superman the m0vie ign0red. People were asking, what made superman, superman. Why the no kill rule? Etc. We all knew why bruce has an aversi0n to killing and guns. He saw it, he witnessed it. But u can't put Kent in same situati0n as Bruce. So, u put him in a p0siti0n where he is forced to act on instinct. N0w, this is where BvS c0mes in. In the ultimate cut, J0nathan's ghost told Clark s0mething abt acting on instinct; telling him a story of how he and clark's grandfather tried acting on instinct to save their farm fr0m flo0ding only to have the animals die in the aftermath. That was a less0n Clark needed to learn. Clark wasn't birthed as superman. He became superman by learning.
I keep wondering why is so difficult for people to understand MoS! Kal El wasn't Superman yet.
I don't even care about this killing arguement cos I have no problems with it but how did this scene show superman killed zodhe was pushed down that place and we all know how durable zod is
i can see u really didn't watch M0S. 1. Krypt0nite wasn't introduced. 2. It was established the krypt0nians were invulnerable to all human weap0ns. 3. Kent was just a farm boy who just discovered he had powerz and was forced into a fight and to pick a side. 4. He wasn't established as being a strategist. The plan to send the krypt0nians back to the phant0m z0ne wasn't his but his father's. Kent didn't kn0w zod won't follow into the dimensi0n. 5. After that phant0m projector was destroyed, it was established there was no other way to defeat zod. He had all of clark's powerz by then. 6. Zod was pissed, mad, his mind made up. His mind early on was centred on only one thing: gen0cide. Jor el tried to bargain with him, u saw how it went. 7. Zod couldn't be negotiated with. 8. After the m0ther ship was destroyed, zod hated everything abt Kent. [after the ship was destroyed, and the krypt0nians sent to the z0ne] zod: [picks up sand] we could have built a new krypt0n in this scouler. My sole purpose was to ensure the survival of krypt0n, [with spite in his eyes] that is what you have taken fr0m me... Kent: [lo0ks empathic with zod, hoping to negotiate a truce. Zod hits him b4 he could say a word] zod: this humans u've adopted, am going to take them fr0m you Kal. Kent: you are m0nster Zod, and am going to stop u [n0w that line showed Clark's characterizati0n as an inexperienced hero rather than superman] [the fight begins] Zod: there is only one way to end this Kal, it's either u die or i do. [m0re destructi0n fr0m the fight as people die in the background. Superman has zod pinned. Zod wanting to make kent sad, catches a family l0oking to flee, sets his heat visi0n at them. Kent sees what Zod is aiming at] Kent: [begging] stop this zod. Zod: never! Kent: stop! [zod still bent on frying the family, kent l0oks on, caught in the m0ment and to act on instinct, the family l0oks at him in desperati0n] if u were to write that scene, what would u have d0ne?
Written another scene. Superman doesn't kill. It's no wonder the movie was a flop.
even evident with the title n0t having the word Superman in it.
Abi o! They just feel like arguing.... It's interesting how people still debate most of Zack's DCEU movies till date... You don't just have massive fanbase just like that, you definitely earned it by giving the people out there something unique and allow them to make their choice. I don't think there is any director of this generation that has more fanbase than Snyder.
and than0s didn't show em0ti0ns? And than0s' purp0se was to kill? And than0s couldn't be reas0ned with? And than0s wasn't human0id? If zod's existential purp0se wasn't to kill in0rder to pr0tect krypt0n, why then did he kill those krypt0nian heads? Why kill a defenseless jor el who tried bargaining with him? Why plan gen0cide thr0ugh terraformati0n and using the codex to bring krypt0nians who he deems worthy to live while exterminating the others? Why go on a violent rampage? There were times clark wanted to reas0n with zod but he didn't listen. Even in Krypt0n the series, zod can't be reas0ned with. But as for than0s, u saw him reas0ning with dr. Strange. Than0s never went on a violent rampage just cos he wanted to exterminate a race or a group. Zod did this. He wanted to wipe every human alive to do this. Yea, u can reas0n with zod.
Same thanos that killed Thor's people or is there another thanos?? Thanos killed Loki just reminding you. Thanos showed emotions but thanos is crazy sorry Mad. I see no difference with him and doomsday. Also Thor kills, doesn't hold back when fighting. This was established in all his movies, so him killing is kind of justified. But superman, oh no.
I don't know what is a violent rampage again sef. You seem to think thanos actions were justified in IW.
Chai, even the first superman movie featuring Christopher Reeves had Zod as a villain. Christopher Reeves' Superman even killed Zod intently in this iteration (see the scene below). Why do you guys really think you know better than the combination of Christopher Nolan, David Goyer and Zack Snyder who pitched this Henry Cavill's Superman story to WB? All these internet armchair movie critics don tire me sef...
Haba, una don start again abi? Well i total disagree with the bolded.
From what i watched, Superman only squeezed Zods hands then threw him against an icy wall which he then fell into an abyss or maybe the phantom zone...No where did superman kill Zod in this scene.
I had to provide the image for those that cant view the youtube video
1. Superman squeezes Zod's hand 2. Superman lifts Zod 3. Superman pushes Zod against the icy wall 4. Zods fall through the icy abyss screaming
So how exactly did Zod die in this scene? I really need an explanation.
I don't even care about this killing arguement cos I have no problems with it but how did this scene show superman killed zodhe was pushed down that place and we all know how durable zod is
Superman didnt kill Zod in that scene, rather superman defeated Zod in that scene.
The youtube video topic was made to look as if supes has killed before which is a lie.
Fear synder fanboys o. They can do anything to justify their master. Lol
There was nothing that showed that zod was dead...I e watched so many movies and I know that someone screaming and falling without a dead body showing up doesn't guarantee that the person is dead...it was never implied either
Same thanos that killed Thor's people or is there another thanos?? Thanos killed Loki just reminding you. Thanos showed emotions but thanos is crazy sorry Mad. I see no difference with him and doomsday. Also Thor kills, doesn't hold back when fighting. This was established in all his movies, so him killing is kind of justified. But superman, oh no.
I don't know what is a violent rampage again sef. You seem to think thanos actions were justified in IW.
Thanos killed half of Thor’s people, doomsday would kill all. Do you see the difference now?
There was nothing that showed that zod was dead...I e watched so many movies and I know that someone screaming and falling without a dead body showing up doesn't guarantee that the person is dead...it was never implied either
Same thanos that killed Thor's people or is there another thanos?? Thanos killed Loki just reminding you. Thanos showed emotions but thanos is crazy sorry Mad. I see no difference with him and doomsday. Also Thor kills, doesn't hold back when fighting. This was established in all his movies, so him killing is kind of justified. But superman, oh no.
I don't know what is a violent rampage again sef. You seem to think thanos actions were justified in IW.
and u think zod's acti0ns were justified? Iuwe tried justifying than0s, n0t me. So i had to prove to blackspider, how equal the two were. Both were ready to c0mmit gen0cide. I never saw how reas0nable zod was if he could kill jor el, the krypt0n council, milli0ns and then aim at that harmless nuclear family. I d0n't think it was shown that than0s physically murdered children or aimed to. But zod tried to. He alm0st killed baby kal el by ordering his ship shot down.
Written another scene. Superman doesn't kill. It's no wonder the movie was a flop.
superman doesn't kill. Yes. But why doesn't he? S0mething might have made him n0t to. U can't just say a character is religious without showing through his lines and thr0ugh acti0ns how he is and why he is.
Written another scene. Superman doesn't kill. It's no wonder the movie was a flop.
n0w, soldierz always often never pray for war or violence n0 matter how ready u may see them, why? Becos of the nightmares and the reminder of bl0odshed they see even with their eyes cl0sed.
how many neck's did he go abt snapping? Oh, they should've made Luthor the villain eh, wait, was that n0t superman returns all over again? Parasite as villain for an origin story? Dude, Clark was just learning who he was. Atimes, u ch0ose characterz based on the themes u want to explore. Parasite could've w0rked but n0t in an origin story. The villain would've w0rked well with superman returns n0t M0S. Bros, the theme of MOS was all abt identity. S0mething that reflected in Zod, clark, lois and with the Kents. Parasite is m0stly used when trying to explore themes like "weakness in the all powerful", and such themes are used when superman is an established character. That's when u use luthor or parasite. U need to show why lex would hate superman and u can't do that without developing him. And MOS wasn't abt kent being superman. It was abt kent asking if he was just kal el or both a s0n of the kents. Am a n0velist bro, u d0n't go into a ficti0n with a developed character or spelling everything out for readerz, and m0st of all, u d0n't write the easy way out [i.e endgame, time travel plot device etc]. This aspect superman the m0vie ign0red. People were asking, what made superman, superman. Why the no kill rule? Etc. We all knew why bruce has an aversi0n to killing and guns. He saw it, he witnessed it. But u can't put Kent in same situati0n as Bruce. So, u put him in a p0siti0n where he is forced to act on instinct. N0w, this is where BvS c0mes in. In the ultimate cut, J0nathan's ghost told Clark s0mething abt acting on instinct; telling him a story of how he and clark's grandfather tried acting on instinct to save their farm fr0m flo0ding only to have the animals die in the aftermath. That was a less0n Clark needed to learn. Clark wasn't birthed as superman. He became superman by learning.
Superman has never resorted in snapping someone's neck in the comics, even when there seems no way.
That snapping of neck was copied from Wonder Woman. Had it been that Superman had done something like that in the comics, this wahala for dey less.
Superman always find a way, even in Batman: hush, Superman would find a way to resist so as not to kill.
No matter the identity you claim MoS was about, killing is not Clark's identity. EOD
he was pushed down that place and we all know how durable zod is