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Ken4Christ:
Anyone who is not born again is not a Christian but so many just claim to be one because of the existence of religious organization who claim to be propagating the Gospel.

So, without water baptism, Cornelius wasn't saved Ref- Acts 10

ikorodureporta:
So, without water baptism, Cornelius wasn't saved Ref- Acts 10

It wasn't water baptism that saved Cornelius and his household. It was faith in Christ sealed by the Holy Ghost baptism that saved them.

paxonel:
I was born into a christian home

Being born into a Christian home does not make you a Christian, you will have to consciously make that decision by yourself.

OLAADEGBU:
Being born into a Christian home does not make you a Christian,

lie!
There are no scriptures supporting that and it does not even apply in reality.
Rather, scriptures affirmed that we are saved through our faith, and in reality Christianity is our faith.
So, if I'm born into a Christian home I'm automatically a Christian except i change my mind to join other religions other than Christianity like Islam or Budhaism.
To confim this, look at what Jesus himself said.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The son of man is the religion that houses a group of people called Christians who believed in him,That religion is Christianity.
The son of man founded Christianity at his resurrection for this purpose, to save as many people as possible.

Remember the story?
A group of Israelites were saved from death in the wilderness simply because they looked up to the serpent, and others who refused to raise to up to the serpent died.

you will have to consciously make that decision by yourself.

the only decision to make is to look up to Jesus not to look up to my ability.
Looking up to Jesus implies believing in Christ only. John 3:16.
I was brought up and groomed by my Christian parents to believe that is the concept, an advantage.
In that case, it will be very hard for me to be convinced to join other religions that is how salvation works.

paxonel:
lie!
There are no scriptures supporting that and it does not even apply in reality.
Rather, scriptures affirmed that we are saved through our faith, and in reality Christianity is our faith.
So, if I'm born into a Christian home I'm automatically a Christian except i change my mind to join other religions other than Christianity like Islam or Budhaism.
To confim this, look at what Jesus himself said.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The son of man is the religion that houses a group of people called Christians who believed in him,That religion is Christianity.
The son of man founded Christianity at his resurrection for this purpose, to save as many people as possible.

Remember the story?
A group of Israelites were saved from death in the wilderness simply because they looked up to the serpent, and others who refused to raise to up to the serpent died.
the only decision to make is to look up to Jesus not to look up to my ability.
Looking up to Jesus implies believing in Christ only. John 3:16.
I was brought up and groomed by my Christian parents to believe that is the concept, an advantage.
In that case, it will be very hard for me to be convinced to join other religions that is how salvation works.

Are you a good person?

ikorodureporta:
The same way i'm asking......can someone be a 'true' christian without being baptised??

no one has the prerogative right to determine whether a person is a Christian because he is baptised or not, as being a Christian or not, is a personal conviction.

One can believe in Christ deep within him but he is not showing it to people in any form, that becomes a personal terms between the person and his God, at that point the person is a Christian.
He declared himself Christian by believing and heaven will stand by him irrespective of what humans think about him whether they think he is baptised or not.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

The truth is, no one can speak words from his mouth affirmatively of what he is not convinced of

OLAADEGBU:
Are you a good person?

thanks my bro

paxonel:
thanks my bro

You have not answered the question: Are you good enough to go to heaven?

OLAADEGBU:
You have not answered the question: Are you good enough to go to heaven?

no!
But I'm already in heaven now, that is what is important.

paxonel:
no!
But I'm already in heaven now, that is what is important.

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Since you said your first birth into your family made you a Christian, you need to be born the second time to see the kingdom of God.

OLAADEGBU:
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Since you said your first birth into your family made you a Christian, you need to be born the second time to see the kingdom of God.

it really do not follow that way!
Sometimes what i say seems technical and require thinking to understand, i always encourage people who are interested that they should read and understand the story behind this scripture John3:3, that is only way one can understand what Jesus was driving at when he said to Nicodemus "except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God "

In the story there were time frame one need to consider.
with that, you will know that John 3:3 was not some kind of a condition for Christians today to attend the kingdom of God, but rather, it referred to what must happen before anyone in those days can see the kingdom of God.

So, when i say i was born into a Christian home and that makes me a Christian, that did not happen 2000 years ago when Jesus came to this earth to die for the sins of mankind. I was born into a Christian home some few years ago, Christ paid the price for that since 2000 years ago.

paxonel:
it really do not follow that way!
Sometimes what i say seems technical and require thinking to understand, i always encourage people who are interested that they should read and understand the story behind this scripture John3:3, that is only way one can understand what Jesus was driving at when he said to Nicodemus "except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God "

In the story there were time frame one need to consider.

So, when i say i was born into a Christian home and that makes me a Christian, that did not happen 2000 years ago when Jesus came to this earth to die for the sins of mankind. I was born into a Christian home some few years ago, Christ paid the price for that since 2000 years ago.

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

If you are born once you will die twice and if you are born twice you will die once. Hence you must be born again.

OLAADEGBU:
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

If you are born once you will die twice and if you are born twice you will die once. Hence you must be born again.

you are excluding the story out of it.
Remember John the Baptist baptized people with water, so one must be born of water .
Jesus baptized with the spirit, that was the story.

We don't take scriptures exclusively to make out doctrines, we take both the scripture and the story behind it together so that there will be balance

paxonel:
you are excluding the story out of it.
Remember John the Baptist baptized people with water, so one must be born of water .
Jesus baptized with the spirit, that was the story.

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:15)

Water baptism does not save, you must be born again.

paxonel:
We don't take scriptures exclusively to make out doctrines, we take both the scripture and the story behind it together so that there will be balance

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:5)

OLAADEGBU:
"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:15)

Water baptism does not save, you must be born again.

did i tell you water baptism save?

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:5)

what is bringing the issue of repentance here, is it not John 3:3 we are studying here?

I expected you to ask what was the story behind John 3:3, I will explain everything here, there is nothing hidden.

Look, I understand how it feels when you are moved to preach to someone to repent trust me, I have been there before, but you have to listen to what people have to say first before preaching, it will help you

paxonel:
did i tell you water baptism save?
what is bringing the issue of repentance here, is it not John 3:3 we are studying here?

I expected you to ask what was the story behind John 3:3, I will explain everything here, there is nothing hidden.

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

OLAADEGBU:
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

mteeew! You are not ready, go sleep

OLAADEGBU:
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

one more thing before I go!
You see that church called deeper life?
Run away from it, it is not for intelligent people, I was there before.

Now, that is an advice that may take you another 20 years to discover if you don't take care.

paxonel:
one more thing before I go!
You see that church called deeper life?
Run away from it, it is not for intelligent people, I was there before.

Now, that is an advice that may take you another 20 years to discover if you don't take care.

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God" (1 Corinthians 1:18).

So much for the supposed human wisdom as opposed to true wisdom in Christ.

Yes. A Christian is a Primary/Secondary School Graduate. A Born Again is a University/Professional Status and you obtain a License.

chiommy123:
yes its possible to be a Christian and not be born again when you are not having the mind of christ then you are not born again

Of course, the religion of Christianity is just a club that anyone can belong to without even being concerned with Jesus Christ.

Anas09:
■ Sis, you are wrong. To be a Christian is to be a little Christ. He said He will go to His father, but will not leave us comfortless, He will come back, but this time the world will not see Him anymore, only the faithfuls, because He will live in them (The indwelling of the Holy Spirit). Can you be like Christ but not born again? I think what you are trying to say is, Church goers go to church but their minds are far away from Christ.
■ You are either His servant/disciple or you are not. You can't be here and there. To the 5 Foolish virgins (Altho virgins,) He said to them, depart from me, I know you not. Remember they were also in Church, they were waiting for the return of the Master, They had lamps, they were virgins, yet they were locked out with the Master saying 'I know you not'. To those who used the Spiritual Gifts He gave to them for Ministry of the saints, to Make merchandise and Milk the Sheep instead of Feed them, He'd say, 'Depart from me you workers of iniquity, I know you not'. He says, My sheep hear my voice and follows me, the voice of the stranger they'll not hear. Anyone who doesn't hear the voice of Jesus, is not the Sheep of Jesus. 'I know my Sheep and i am known of mine', says the Master.

1. The other poster is instead right! It is possible to be a subscriber to the religion of Christianity and have absolutely no connection to Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact that is the state of the majority given the religion is founded on doctrines and traditions that completely differ from the actual teachings of Jesus Christ recorded in Scripture.

2. Here's a question for you. When you became born-again what evidence was deposited inside of you as proof of your claim - John 3 vs 1 - 21 ? Can you explain how your existence has been, living with the proof, since then?

What cross was given to you at the point when you decided to accept Jesus Christ - Matthew 10 vs 37 - 39?

chiommy123:
■ wat am saying is that there are brethren in Churches who when you see them you think they are heaven bond already not knowing its all for show

Jesus Christ said that to recognize those who are truly His, you examine their fruits, not their looks. There are so many sheep in wolf clothing out there that the last thing you want is to be deceived by your sight. However, in order to know the fruits that Jesus Christ speaks of, you also need to Know the Truth of God — in order to recognize them.

chiommy123:
■ wat am saying is that there are brethren in Churches who when you see them you think they are heaven bond already not knowing its all for show

Judge not by outward appearances but judge righteous judgments - John 7 vs 24.

The only way to judge whether one belongs to Jesus Christ or not is by examining their fruits — of obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, and not the doctrines and traditions of your pastors and their churches.

Anas09:
■ The Word "Worship" is completely misunderstood today. No unbeliever can worship God, as Worship is not going to Church, neither is it being active in Church. Worship is not music or gospel songs. It is not prayer or a mood you get into. All of these are part of worship, but not all of it. Worship is a way of life, and it's done in the Spirit. If a man marries his wife in the way of the Lord, he just worshipped God. When they have sex, they worship God.
■ When you walk in peace with people around, when you love, give, forgive, go to church, read your Bible, lift your hands in a heartfelt praise, help an elderly man/woman cross the road or carry their goods for them, when you visit the orphans and help the widows, give to beggars. When you win a soul, when you give to the advancement of the Kingdom. When you pray and intercede for the Lost, When you pray for the missionaries in the field, when you greet your neighbour with a heart of love, when you squash pride, anger, arrogance, revenge, stubbornness, rebellion, malice etc, you have Worshipped God whose name is YHWH.
■ Jesus said to the Samaritan woman, "Those who Worship God must do so in Spirit..." The Spirit He meant there is not the Holy Spirit. Your own Spirit which has been made alive by the Holy Spirit. Being Born Again, is being made alive in the Spirit by accepting Jesus, without which you can not connect with Him. How then can an unbeliever worship Him? The heart (Spirit) of Worship is a surrendered Spirit. Worship is Surrender. And no one can worship God without first surrendering to God. If you can't Trust Him, you can't surrender to Him. If you don't know Him, you can't surrender to Him. If someone is in Church but his/her heart is far away, how can that person be said to be worshipping God? So many have a relationship with the House of God, but don't know the God of the House. They only know of Him, but don't really know Him personally.

1. So never mind the fact that God said your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God, you believe instead that when a man marries a wife and even has sex with her, the man is doing the Will of God? Why are you folks so desperate to make of God that which God said is not of Him?

2. I am afraid most of what you listed has to do with doing "good" works which God said that so long as you are unrighteous are an abomination unworthy of God. That isn't what it means to Worship God who instead said that it is by obeying His teachings and commandments that you rather worship Him— doing it according to His Will, and not your whims.

3. To Worship God in Spirit means to be born of Water(God's New Law and Truth) and born of Spirit(of Eternal Life). Nothing of that has anything to do with your churches or your house of gods — Jesus Christ never asked anyone of His to congregate in the manner that you do in your churches. He never even asked any man to praise Him so, why pretend your churchian ways have to factor into His definition of Truth which differs from it?