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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 1:37pm On Sep 13, 2019
Tenshades:


Anything not prosecuted in the QURAN is not Haram!

Hadith na story for the gods. It isn't in the 5 pillars of Islam.

Islam isn't meant to be hard!!!
God bless you brother.The very day Muslims decide to see Hadith as a ferry tail,that is the day that Muslims will start to truly worship God.Hadith are just stories written centuries after the death of the prophet,and dedicated to him.Try reaching on the concept of chain of narrators(Mr A hear something from Mr B,who hear it from Mr C that hear it from the prophet).
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 1:41pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


What time do you pray from the Qur'an?

And how many times do you pray?
Five daily prayers predates Quran.The Zoroastrian also pray five times a day and their religion predates Islam for over 400years.So before prophet Mohammad was born,people are already praying

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 1:44pm On Sep 13, 2019
Ibrahimmrfish:

God bless you brother.The very day Muslims decide to see Hadith as a ferry tail,that is the day that Muslims will start to truly worship God.Hadith are just stories written centuries after the death of the prophet,and dedicated to him.Try reaching on the concept of chain of narrators(Mr A hear something from Mr B,who hear it from Mr C that hear it from the prophet).

Na so my brother... Ade said that his girlfriend said that her friend said that she saw my friend smoking weed. Long chain of narration with lost value of message.

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:23pm On Sep 13, 2019
Ibrahimmrfish:

Five daily prayers predates Quran.The Zoroastrian also pray five times a day and their religion predates Islam for over 400years.So before prophet Mohammad was born,people are already praying

Sorry! Are you a Muslim? For Real?

Technically, all Prophets were Muslims though their laws may be different.

Noah, Moses, Abraham, Solomom, David, Elias, Elisha, Jacob, Jonah,................, John, Jesus, Muhammad. All of them had their ways of worship which was from Allah. The way the Ummah of Muhammad pray was legislated for us right from the time of the Prophet.

I ask again

What time do you pray from the Qur'an?

And how many times do you pray from the Qur'an?

And What does this Qur'an verse mean "Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much" Qur'an 33 vs 21.?

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 2:33pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


Sorry! Are you a Muslim? For Real?

Technically, all Prophets were Muslims though their laws may be different.

Noah, Moses, Abraham, Solomom, David, Elias, Elisha, Jacob, Jonah,................, John, Jesus, Muhammad. All of them had their ways of worship which was from Allah. The way the Ummah of Muhammad pray was legislated for us right from the time of the Prophet.

I ask again

What time do you pray from the Qur'an?

And how many times do you pray from the Qur'an?

And What does this Qur'an verse mean "Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much" Qur'an 33 vs 21.?
Yes i am a Muslim.There is no part in Quran that point out time for prayers,cause people in Arabia are already praying 5 times a day. Islam predates prophet Muhammad,daily prayers was in existence since the time of prophet Ibrahim,so all the rituals we observe today were already in practice before Mohammad,so no need for it to be in Quran.Fasting,hajj and daily prayers were practice by the people of Mecca and the Arabia peninsula.That is why Zoroastrian pray 5 times a day and at the same times with Muslims,even though the religion predates prophet Muhammad.
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 2:39pm On Sep 13, 2019
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EMAIL Keeping with the theme of showcasing how earlier religions influenced major modern religions we decided to breakdown some of the similarities from the ancient Iranian religion of Zoroastrianism in comparison to Islam.
HISTORY: ZOROASTRIANISM
Zoroastrianism, also called Mazdaism and Magianism, is an ancient Iranian religion and a religious philosophy. It was once the state religion of the Achaemenid Empire and Sassanid Empire. In the eastern part of ancient Persia over 1000 years BCE, a religious philosopher called Zoroaster simplified the pantheon of early Iranian gods into two opposing forces: Ahura Mazda (Illuminating Wisdom) and Angra Mainyu (Destructive Spirit) which were in conflict.
HISTORY: ISLAM
Islam, an Abrahamic religion that began in Mecca, claims to be the revelation of God (Allah) through the angel Gabriel to a man named Muhammad, born in approximately 570 CE.
In Muslim tradition, Muhammad is viewed as the last in a series of prophets. The content of these revelations, known as the Qur'an, was memorized and recorded by his companions. During this time, Muhammad in Mecca preached to the people, imploring them to abandon polytheism and to worship one god.
THE ORIGINAL MYTHICAL JOURNEYS TO "HEAVEN"
ISLAM: MUHAMMAD'S NIGHT JOURNEY
The Isra and Mi'raj are the two parts of a Night Journey that, according to Islamic tradition, the prophet of Islam, Muhammad took during a single night around the year 621. It has been described as both a physical and spiritual journey.
In the journey, Muhammad travels on the steed Buraq to "the farthest mosque" where he leads other prophets in prayer. He then ascends through the seven heavens where he speaks to Allah, who gives Muhammad instructions to take back to the faithful regarding the details of prayer. In the end, Allah instructs Muhammad to tell the people to pray five times per day.
ZOROASTRIANISM: ARTA VIRAF'S NIGHT JOURNEY
A night journey to the heavens is found in an old Pahlavi book known as "The Book of Arta Viraf." The Zoroastrian story describes the journey of a saintly priest, Arta Viraf, who went into a trance and his spirit went up to the heavens under the guidance of an angel named Sarosh. He passed from one utopia to another until he reached the presence of Ormazd, the great deity of the whole universe. When Arta saw the heavens and how happy its inhabitants were, Ormazd commanded him to return to earth as his 'messenger' to tell the people all that he saw and heard. Ormazd commanded that his followers pray five times a day.
PRAYING FIVE TIMES A DAY
In both religions there is a a specified worship of five times a day commanded by god. Zoroastrianism and Islam share a specified worship in relation the movement of Sun. Zoroastrians call this specified worship ‘Gah worship/prayer’. The term ‘Gah’ means ‘period of time’ or ‘place’. So Gah worship means, loosely, "timed worship."
The striking similarity between Islam and Zoroastrianism in the timing of five daily worship is given below:
TimeIslamZoroastrianism
Dawn FajrHavaan
NoonZuharRapithwan
AfternoonAsrUziren
EveningMaghribAiwisuthrem
NightIshaUshaen
RELIGIOUS SIMILARITIES
CALL TO PRAYER
Just like the believers are called for Salat in a mosque by a Muezzin (caller) in Islam five times a day, the Zoroastrian believers are summoned by the ringing of a bell in the Atash Behram / Agiary / Fire Temple to perform Yasna (Gah worship) five times a day.
ABLUTION
Muslims are required to do ritual purification like washing of the face and limbs before commencing Salat. Likewise, Zoroastrians are required to wash their face and limbs before commencing Yasna (Gah worship).
HEAD COVER
In the same way as Muslims cover their heads traditionally when performing Salat, Zoroastrians are required to cover their heads when performing Yasna (Gah worship).
FACING THE DIRECTION
The direction in which Muslims are to perform prayer is toward the Kabaa in Mecca. Most mosques contain a wall niche, known as mihrab, that indicates the Qiblah (direction of the Kabaa in Mecca). Zoroastrians worship facing a blazing fire, as a symbol of God's grace.
READING/RECITING SCRIPTURE IN ORIGINAL LANGUAGES
As Muslims are required to read/recite portions from the Quran in the original language of its revelation (Arabic) while performing Salat, Zoroastrians are required to read/recite portions from the Avesta (Gathas) in the original language of its revelation (Avesta) when performing Yasna (Gah worship).
MISCELLANEOUS PARALLELS
Also, the Zoroastrians taught, long before Islam, there was a marvelous tree in Paradise called 'humaya', which corresponds very closely to the 'sidrah', the lote tree of Islam.
Finally, there is another Zoroastrian work the 'Zerdashtnama', which has a story of how Zoroaster himself ascended into the heavens and obtained permission to visit hell, where he found Ahriman, the Devil.
Sources:
Habeeb, Imam. "Islam/Important Question about Quran being written by Muhammed ." http://en.allexperts.com/q/Islam-947/Important-Question-Quran-written.htm. All Experts, 2006. Web. 20 Jun 2013.
Talpur, Saeed. "FIVE DAILY SALAT IN ISLAM AND ZOROASTRIANISM ." . Quran Alone, 2012. Web. 20 Jun 2013. <http://saeedtalpur./2012/09/28/five-daily-salat-in-islam-and-

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 2:46pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


Sorry! Are you a Muslim? For Real?

Technically, all Prophets were Muslims though their laws may be different.

Noah, Moses, Abraham, Solomom, David, Elias, Elisha, Jacob, Jonah,................, John, Jesus, Muhammad. All of them had their ways of worship which was from Allah. The way the Ummah of Muhammad pray was legislated for us right from the time of the Prophet.

I ask again

What time do you pray from the Qur'an?

And how many times do you pray from the Qur'an?

And What does this Qur'an verse mean "Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much" Qur'an 33 vs 21.?

The fact that Mohammed SAW was meant to be followed according to Allah doesn't mean we should follow what others(third party) recorded and said about the prophet. How sure are you as a Muslim that the Hadith wasn't manipulated? I repeat, how sure are you?

Quran is the Ultimate Guide!

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by dragnet: 2:57pm On Sep 13, 2019
Safari29:
bullshit, this doesnt and will not work in modern civilized world we live in now. abeegi, am a Muslim by the way and no fuxxking human being can tell me not to play FIFA, Ludo, Scrable or any game for that matter. I am the CEO of my life

You're the CEO of your life? You're no more than a lucky filthy sperm, you only have value because Allaah willed it, Allaah created you and He only has the authority to order you, if you obey, good for you, but if you disobey, you face the consequence. He sent the prophet to you, to instruct you on how you should live on earth.
The phone you used to type this was manufactured by someone and it has operating conditions which you must adhere to, even if you bought it with your "fuxxking" money. Think !
You won't die if you don't play ludo or FIFA, rather you can spend your time being more productive.
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Origin(f): 3:00pm On Sep 13, 2019
All games of chance are prohibited in Islam.


Including betting.

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by dragnet: 3:00pm On Sep 13, 2019
Tenshades:


The fact that Mohammed SAW was meant to be followed according to Allah doesn't mean we should follow what others(third party) recorded and said about the prophet. How sure are you as a Muslim that the Hadith wasn't manipulated? I repeat, how sure are you?

Quran is the Ultimate Guide!

Don't be lazy, if you really seek the truth then take some time to learn about the science of the hadith and it's compilation, then answer the question you asked and be ready to defend it before Allaah.
And just so you know, those who reported the hadeeth are part of those who transmitted the Quran, so would you throw that away too? Think !
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Rashduct4luv(m): 3:02pm On Sep 13, 2019
Tenshades:


The fact that Mohammed SAW was meant to be followed according to Allah doesn't mean we should follow what others(third party) recorded and said about the prophet. How sure are you as a Muslim that the Hadith wasn't manipulated? I repeat, how sure are you?

Quran is the Ultimate Guide!

Alhamdulillah, you agree that Muhammad is to be followed. But how do we follow him?

If you say the Hadith was manipulated then soon you will reach the level of saying the Qur'an was manipulated. The Qur'an and Hadiths were preserved on leaves, bones, parchments,....and by memory.

How sure am i?

I am very sure. The Scholars of Hadith did a lot of work on the hadiths. That's why we have Sahih, Hassan, Do'eef and Mawd'oo hadiths.
Asking me how sure am i is to throw away the years of great work eminent scholars did classifying and tracing hadiths.
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 3:03pm On Sep 13, 2019
dragnet:

You're the CEO of your life? You're no more than a lucky filthy sperm, you only have value because Allaah willed it, Allaah created you and He only has the authority to order you, if you obey, good for you, but if you disobey, you face the consequence. He sent the prophet to you, to instruct you on how you should live on earth.
The phone you used to type this was manufactured by someone and it has operating conditions which you must adhere to, even if you bought it with your "fuxxking" money. Think !
You won't die if you don't play ludo or FIFA, rather you can spend your time being more productive.

He instructed Mohammed to tell us not to play video games, board games and others games? Soccer amongst other sports? Because we are Muslims, to have fun is now a crime and punishable? Haba bros, make Islam friendly and accommodating to others for a bit for once abeg.

Na this kind pointless and baseless extremism dey make people dey hate Islam.

Islam isn't meant to be hard!!!
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 3:07pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


Alhamdulillah, you agree that Muhammad is to be followed. But how do we follow him?

If you say the Hadith was manipulated then soon you will reach the level of saying the Qur'an was manipulated. The Qur'an and Hadiths were preserved on leaves, bones, parchments,....and by memory.

How sure am i?

I am very sure. The Scholars of Hadith did a lot of work on the hadiths. That's why we have Sahih, Hassan, Do'eef and Mawd'oo hadiths.
Asking me how sure am i is to throw away the years of great work eminent scholars did classifying and tracing hadiths.

For the fact that those names, Sahih and Co weren't mentioned by Allah in the Quran. I don't know where they came from. So it's either Allah's instructions in d Quran are to be followed or do something else as innovations from MEN.

I repeat, Hadith doesn't make it to the five pillars of Islam. So it's just a compiled recording of a conference meeting among old men.
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 3:08pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


Alhamdulillah, you agree that Muhammad is to be followed. But how do we follow him?

If you say the Hadith was manipulated then soon you will reach the level of saying the Qur'an was manipulated. The Qur'an and Hadiths were preserved on leaves, bones, parchments,....and by memory.

How sure am i?

I am very sure. The Scholars of Hadith did a lot of work on the hadiths. That's why we have Sahih, Hassan, Do'eef and Mawd'oo hadiths.
Asking me how sure am i is to throw away the years of great work eminent scholars did classifying and tracing hadiths.
And yet you people keep reducing their numbers,every few years scholar keep arguing about which one is authentic and which one is not.Let me as you this,was there anything Muslims scholars ever argued about the authenticity of a single verse in Quran?
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 3:09pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


Alhamdulillah, you agree that Muhammad is to be followed. But how do we follow him?

If you say the Hadith was manipulated then soon you will reach the level of saying the Qur'an was manipulated. The Qur'an and Hadiths were preserved on leaves, bones, parchments,....and by memory.

How sure am i?

I am very sure. The Scholars of Hadith did a lot of work on the hadiths. That's why we have Sahih, Hassan, Do'eef and Mawd'oo hadiths.
Asking me how sure am i is to throw away the years of great work eminent scholars did classifying and tracing hadiths.

And who tagged them eminent scholars? Themselves? , Prophet Mohammed? or Allah?

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 3:12pm On Sep 13, 2019
Ibrahimmrfish:

And yet you people keep reducing their numbers,every few years scholar keep arguing about which one is authentic and which one is not.Let me as you this,was there anything Muslims scholars ever argued about the authenticity of a single verse in Quran?

Na so arguments and fights go full ground among Muslims about Ijab/Niqab/Jilbab cos of the so called innovated Hadith.
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Rashduct4luv(m): 3:15pm On Sep 13, 2019
Ibrahimmrfish:

Yes i am a Muslim.There is no part in Quran that point out time for prayers,cause people in Arabia are already praying 5 times a day. Islam predates prophet Muhammad,daily prayers was in existence since the time of prophet Ibrahim,so all the rituals we observe today were already in practice before Mohammad,so no need for it to be in Quran.Fasting,hajj and daily prayers were practice by the people of Mecca and the Arabia peninsula.That is why Zoroastrian pray 5 times a day and at the same times with Muslims,even though the religion predates prophet Muhammad.

It's like you are more of a Zoroastrian than a Muslim. Do Zoroastrian pray at the same time as we do? Do they face Qiblah too? or worship Allah? Perform Hajj or Pay Zakah? Do Zoroastrians fast in the month of Ramadan too?

Can you bring your evidence that they were doing all the worship we do today before Muhammad (just as we do it)?
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Rashduct4luv(m): 3:18pm On Sep 13, 2019
Tenshades:


And who tagged them eminent scholars? Themselves? , Prophet Mohammed? or Allah?

How many years have you spent studying the Book of Allah and the traditions of the Prophet?
Muslims tagged them so because of the sacrifice they made for the religion of Allah and also because of the knowledge they have and show.
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 3:19pm On Sep 13, 2019
dragnet:

Don't be lazy, if you really seek the truth then take some time to learn about the science of the hadith and it's compilation, then answer the question you asked and be ready to defend it before Allaah.
And just so you know, those who reported the hadeeth are part of those who transmitted the Quran, so would you throw that away too? Think !

Name calling has started. Lazy?

Please give me a verse in the Quran where Allah commanded us to use Hadith alongside Quran and I will see myself as Lazy.

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 3:21pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


How many years have you spent studying the Book of Allah and the traditions of the Prophet?
Muslims tagged them so because of the sacrifice they made for the religion of Allah and also because of the knowledge they have and show.

"Muslims" tagged them...

Nobody is here bragging about spending 100 years in studying Quran.

And for the fact that you have studied Quran for million years doesn't mean you are perfect in getting all d messages and ask yourself questions.

It's possible to stare and not see.

Save your bragging rights to yourself. It doesn't boost my Deen.

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Rashduct4luv(m): 3:31pm On Sep 13, 2019
Ibrahimmrfish:

And yet you people keep reducing their numbers,every few years scholar keep arguing about which one is authentic and which one is not.Let me as you this,was there anything Muslims scholars ever argued about the authenticity of a single verse in Quran?

Lastly, this are the Qur'an verses for your take home that shows the necessity of following the Sunnah.

You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah, for all who put their hope in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much. (Surat al-Ahzab :21)

Allah showed great kindness to the believers when He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them, purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surah Al `Imran: 164)

We have sent you bearing witness, bringing good news, and warning so that you might all believe in Allah and His Messenger as well as honor, respect, and glorify Him in the morning and the evening. Those who pledge their allegiance to you pledge allegiance to Allah. Allah`s hand is over their hands. Those who break their pledge only break it against themselves. But as for those who fulfill the contract they have made with Allah, We will give them an immense reward. (Surat al-Fath: 8-10)

"Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah." (Surat an-Nisa`: 80)

You should accept whatever the Messenger gives you and abandon whatever he tells you to abandon. Have taqwa of Allah... (Surat al-Hashr: 7)

O you who believe, obey Allah, the Messenger, and those in command among you. If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result. (Surat an-Nisa`: 59)

No, by your Lord, they are not believers until they make you their judge in the disputes that break out between them and then do not resist what you decide and submit themselves [to you] completely. (Surat an-Nisa`: 65)

When Allah and His Messenger have decided something, no believing man or woman has a choice about [following or not following] it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided. (Surat al-Ahzab: 36)

But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination! (Surat an-Nisa`: 115)

O you who believe, respond to Allah and to the Messenger when He calls you to what will bring you to life. Know that Allah intervenes between a person and his heart and that you will be gathered to Him. (Surat al-Anfal: 24)

cc: Tenshades
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 3:32pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


It's like you are more of a Zoroastrian than a Muslim. Do Zoroastrian pray at the same time as we do? Do they face Qiblah too? or worship Allah? Perform Hajj or Pay Zakah? Do Zoroastrians fast in the month of Ramadan too?

Can you bring your evidence that they were doing all the worship we do today before Muhammad (just as we do it)?
They pray at the same time as us and also five times a day.Google is your friend,you have from now to the day you die to research it yourself.

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 3:44pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


Lastly, this are the Qur'an verses for your take home that shows the necessity of following the Sunnah.

You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah, for all who put their hope in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much. (Surat al-Ahzab :21)

Allah showed great kindness to the believers when He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them, purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surah Al `Imran: 164)

We have sent you bearing witness, bringing good news, and warning so that you might all believe in Allah and His Messenger as well as honor, respect, and glorify Him in the morning and the evening. Those who pledge their allegiance to you pledge allegiance to Allah. Allah`s hand is over their hands. Those who break their pledge only break it against themselves. But as for those who fulfill the contract they have made with Allah, We will give them an immense reward. (Surat al-Fath: 8-10)

"Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah." (Surat an-Nisa`: 80)

You should accept whatever the Messenger gives you and abandon whatever he tells you to abandon. Have taqwa of Allah... (Surat al-Hashr: 7)

O you who believe, obey Allah, the Messenger, and those in command among you. If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result. (Surat an-Nisa`: 59)

No, by your Lord, they are not believers until they make you their judge in the disputes that break out between them and then do not resist what you decide and submit themselves [to you] completely. (Surat an-Nisa`: 65)

When Allah and His Messenger have decided something, no believing man or woman has a choice about [following or not following] it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided. (Surat al-Ahzab: 36)

But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination! (Surat an-Nisa`: 115)

O you who believe, respond to Allah and to the Messenger when He calls you to what will bring you to life. Know that Allah intervenes between a person and his heart and that you will be gathered to Him. (Surat al-Anfal: 24)

cc: Tenshades

Bros, I no dispute the Allah's commandment on Muslim following Prophet Mohammed.

What I'm saying is HADITH is unfounded.

Check these out:

Surah Luqman - Chapter 31 verse 6:
Among the people, there is one who trades in baseless Hadith to mislead from the Path of God without knowledge''.

Chapter 6 verse 159: Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with ye. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.’’

Prophet Mohammed only followed the Qur'an and not the Hadith. And for your info, QURAN is the best Hadith and Sunnah.

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by LordReed2nd(m): 4:12pm On Sep 13, 2019
SMH. Thank god I have left religion behind.
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Rashduct4luv(m): 5:26pm On Sep 13, 2019
Tenshades:


Bros, I no dispute the Allah's commandment on Muslim following Prophet Mohammed.

What I'm saying is HADITH is unfounded.

Check these out:

Surah Luqman - Chapter 31 verse 6:
Among the people, there is one who trades in baseless Hadith to mislead from the Path of God without knowledge''.

Chapter 6 verse 159: Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with ye. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.’’

Prophet Mohammed only followed the Qur'an and not the Hadith. And for your info, QURAN is the best Hadith and Sunnah.

Error 404, The verse that forbids Music is what you are quoting for Hadith.

Chapter 31 verse 6:
And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Quran) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire).

Chapter 6 verse 159:
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

How are these verses related to throwing away hadith?
I will like you to highlight how you pray, fast, pay Zakah and perform hajj from the Qu'ran.
.
May Allah guide you and us.
''SUBHANAKA ALLAHUMMA WA BIHAMDIK ASH-HADU AN LAA ILAHA ILLA ANTA ASTAGHFIRUKA WA ATUBU ILAIK''

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 5:37pm On Sep 13, 2019
Al-Bukhari traveled widely throughout the
Abbasid Caliphate from the age of 16, collecting those traditions he thought trustworthy. It is reported that al-Bukhari devoted 16 years to sifting the hadiths he included in his Sahih from a collection of nearly 600,000 narrations. [6] Sources differ on the exact number of hadiths in Bukhari's Sahih , depending on whether a hadith is defined as a Prophetic tradition or a narration of that tradition. Experts, in general, have estimated the number of full- isnad narration at 7,397, and without considerations to repetitions or different versions of the same report, the number of Prophetic traditions reduces to approximately 2,602. [6] At the time when Bukhari saw the earlier works and conveyed them, he found them, in their presentation, combining between what would be considered sahih (correct) and
hasan (good) and that many of them included daʻīf (weak) hadith. This aroused his interest in compiling hadith whose authenticity was beyond doubt. What further strengthened his resolve was something his teacher, hadith scholar Ishaq ibn Ibrahim al-Hanthalee – better known as Ishaq Ibn Rahwayh – had told him. "We were with Ishaq Ibn Rahwayh who said, ‘If only you would compile a book of only authentic narrations of the Prophet.’ This suggestion remained in my heart so I began compiling the Sahih ." Bukhari also said, "I saw the Prophet in a dream and it was as if I was standing in front of him. In my hand was a fan with which I was protecting him. I asked some dream interpreters, who said to me, ‘You will protect him from lies.’ This is what compelled me to produce the Sahih ." [7]
The book covers almost all aspects of life in providing proper guidance of Islam such as the method of performing prayers and other actions of worship directly from the Islamic prophet ,
Muhammad. Bukhari finished his work around 846/232 AH, and spent the last twenty-four years of his life visiting other cities and scholars, teaching the hadith he had collected. In every city that Bukhari visited, thousands of people would gather in the main mosque to listen to him recite traditions. In reply to Western academic doubts as to the actual date and authorship of the book that bears his name, scholars point out that notable hadith scholars of that time, such as Ahmad ibn Hanbal (855 CE/241 AH), Yahya ibn Ma'in (847 CE/233 AH), and Ali ibn al-Madini (848 CE/234 AH), accepted the authenticity of his book[8] and that the collection's immediate fame makes it unlikely that it could have been revised after the author's death without historical record.
During this period of twenty-four years, al-Bukhari made minor revisions to his book, notably the chapter headings. Each version is named by its narrator. According to Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani in his book Nukat, the number of hadiths in all versions is the same. The most famous one today is the version narrated by al-Firabri (d. 932 CE/320 AH), a trusted student of Bukhari. Al-Khatib al-Baghdadi in his book History of Baghdad quoted Firabri as saying: "About seventy thousand people heard Sahih Bukhari
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Czos: 5:47pm On Sep 13, 2019
In islam, anything that will not prevent you from Salat, Kalimatu Shahada, fasting, zakkat, is not haram .... Islam is not that had please
Gambling
Punication
Stealing
Telling lies etc. They are haram in islam nd Christianity
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 6:17pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


Error 404, The verse that forbids Music is what you are quoting for Hadith.

Chapter 31 verse 6:
And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Quran) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire).

Chapter 6 verse 159:
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

How are these verses related to throwing away hadith?
I will like you to highlight how you pray, fast, pay Zakah and perform hajj from the Qu'ran.
.
May Allah guide you and us.
''SUBHANAKA ALLAHUMMA WA BIHAMDIK ASH-HADU AN LAA ILAHA ILLA ANTA ASTAGHFIRUKA WA ATUBU ILAIK''

Good. It just showed you do check Quran well to counter that first misquoted verse and chapter

But the second quote was to point out the warnings about the fragments in Islam due to HADITH innovation causing many sects in Islam due to different schools of thoughts not agreeing on a unifying ijma.

Now lemme burst your bubbles proper.

Hadith is unfounded.

Follow me and counter again if these ones don't exist.

QURAN - FULLY DETAILED AND ONLY SOURCE OF RELIGIOUS LAW

[Quran 6:36] ..We did not leave anything out of this book..

[Quran 6:19] Say, 'Whose testimony is the greatest?' Say, 'God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has been inspired to me, to preach to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods beside God.' Say, 'I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry.'

[Quran 6:114] Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

[Quran 6:115] The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."

[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.

[Quran 10:73] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible; for it comes from the Lord of the universe.

[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not a fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.

[Quran 17:46] We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach you Lord, using the QURAN ALONE, they run away in aversion.

[Quran 18:27]You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.

[Quran 18:54] We have cited in this Quran every kind of example, but the human being is the most argumentative creature.

[Quran 18:109] Say, 'If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply.

[Quran 18:110] Say, 'I am no more than a human like you, being inspired that your god is one god. Those who hope to meet their Lord shall work righteousness, and never worship any other god beside his Lord.'

[Quran 39:27] We have cited for the people every kind of example in this Quran, that they may take heed.

SOME VERSES IN THE QURAN PROCLAIMING THE QURAN TO BE THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE HADITH

[Quran 7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which hadith, besides this do they believe in?

[Quran 31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

[Quran 39:23] God has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell) . The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them.

[Quran 45:6] These are God's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?

[Quran 52:34] Let them produce a hadith like this if they are truthful.

[Quran 68:44] Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this Hadith; we will lead them on whence they never perceive."

[Quran 77:50] Which Hadith other than this do they uphold?


THE ARABIC WORD SUNNAH REFERS TO GOD'S SUNNAH AND NEVER AS THE PROPHET'S SUNNAH

[Quran 17:77] This has been consistently the case with all the messengers that we sent before you, and you will find that our system
(Sunnah) never changes.

[Quran 33:62] This is God's eternal system
(Sunnah) , and you will find that God's system(Sunnah) is unchangeable." 33:62

[Quran 48:23] Such is God's system (Sunnah) throughout history, and you will find that God's system (Sunnah) is unchangeable.


[Quran 6:112] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

[Quran 6:113] This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 6:30pm On Sep 13, 2019
Rashduct4luv:


Lastly, this are the Qur'an verses for your take home that shows the necessity of following the Sunnah.

You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah, for all who put their hope in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much. (Surat al-Ahzab :21)

Allah showed great kindness to the believers when He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them, purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surah Al `Imran: 164)

We have sent you bearing witness, bringing good news, and warning so that you might all believe in Allah and His Messenger as well as honor, respect, and glorify Him in the morning and the evening. Those who pledge their allegiance to you pledge allegiance to Allah. Allah`s hand is over their hands. Those who break their pledge only break it against themselves. But as for those who fulfill the contract they have made with Allah, We will give them an immense reward. (Surat al-Fath: 8-10)

"Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah." (Surat an-Nisa`: 80)

You should accept whatever the Messenger gives you and abandon whatever he tells you to abandon. Have taqwa of Allah... (Surat al-Hashr: 7)

O you who believe, obey Allah, the Messenger, and those in command among you. If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result. (Surat an-Nisa`: 59)

No, by your Lord, they are not believers until they make you their judge in the disputes that break out between them and then do not resist what you decide and submit themselves [to you] completely. (Surat an-Nisa`: 65)

When Allah and His Messenger have decided something, no believing man or woman has a choice about [following or not following] it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided. (Surat al-Ahzab: 36)

But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination! (Surat an-Nisa`: 115)

O you who believe, respond to Allah and to the Messenger when He calls you to what will bring you to life. Know that Allah intervenes between a person and his heart and that you will be gathered to Him. (Surat al-Anfal: 24)

cc: Tenshades

You still haven't mentioned where Allah commanded us to use Quran and Hadith interchangeably na... As back up plan.

Moreover, playing dice isn't a crime but playing it with the niyat of gambling is Haram as gambling was stated clearly to be avoided in the Quran:

(Quran 5:90)
"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.”

But if you say playing dice is Haram, then watching sport is Haram as we are engaged in it (eg Liverpool vs Newcastle tomorrow 12:30pm EKO) and you know what that means.

May Allah keep guiding us to the straight path.

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Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by sorextee(m): 1:00am On Sep 14, 2019
Same way my uncle heard from my friends junior brother's niece that my girlfriend told her cousin sister's pastor that I got an usher's mother pregnant.

Tenshades:


Na so my brother... Ade said that his girlfriend said that her friend said that she saw my friend smoking weed. Long chain of narration with lost value of message.
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by Tenshades(m): 6:35am On Sep 14, 2019
sorextee:
Same way my uncle heard from my friends junior brother's niece that my girlfriend told her cousin sister's pastor that I got an usher's mother pregnant.


Hahahahahahahaa...
Re: Why Playing Dice Game Is Haram In Islam by dragnet: 3:48pm On Sep 14, 2019
Tenshades:


Name calling has started. Lazy?

Please give me a verse in the Quran where Allah commanded us to use Hadith alongside Quran and I will see myself as Lazy.
"don't be Lazy" doesn't qualify as name calling, I apologize if it got on your wrong side.
No I shouldn't give you a verse of the Quran even though they exist, because I don't expect you to believe the Quran too, because it came via a similar path as the hadith.

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