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TAO11:
I just edited some information in Wikipedia. You too can.



Having said that:

Did you know that the kings of Benin kingdom PAID HOMAGE to ILE-IFE??

Who made this known to the world?

The first Portugese delegation to Benin kingdom did, particularly in the chronicles of João Afonso d'Avieros.


Refer also to time-stamp 47:16 to 49:00 of the British Museum documentary below for expert testimony on this piece of historical information:

"... the Sacred City of Ife to which the kings of Benin paid homage ..."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI&t=2070s

serosa:
It seems You specialize in fake news.

OBA OF BENIN CAN NEVER STOOP LOW AND PAY HOMAGE TO ile ife king.
Maybe You Dont know.
But one of the kings of ile ife came from BENIN.
HE WAS CROWNED THE KING CAUSEOF HIS WISDOM.

AND THE OBA OF BENIN IS THE ONLY OBA AND RULER THAT I KNOW IS FEARLESS.

Fisfrank:
You are right, but don't forget that Benin went back to Ife for a new king since they can produce one, that was when oranmiyan moved to benin, Benin then was wide to the very day asaba. That why when they want to crown a new king they always send delegate to ile Ife and the king of Ife send people to represent him. And there is a secret sword oba of Benin use to go and collect from ooni, the recent oba just collected his I think last year or so.

TAO11:
I'm not sure how I am one of the experts of Benin history whom I referred you all to in the British Museum historical documentary.

Refer now to the reference, but this time with your mind intact.


Also, be like me by adducing the expert historical sources for any claim you make.

Until then what you've written here is no more than your unsubstantiated fictious word-of-mouth; that is, wishful thinking.

TAO11:
Listen up Lad:

The idea that a certain Benin prince became king in Ife is a circa1970s forgery which was first proposed in writing by Omoreighe, and then by Edebiri, and then by Iyare, and the by Akenzua, and so on till today.

Prior to their publication, such an account was unheard of in Benin kingdom by the Bini public.

What had been generally known to the Bini public was the extant Benin account which states that Ekaladerhan lived and died in Ughoto after his exile, and that the kings of Ile-Ife were imperials, overlords, and divinities over Benin kingdom.

The 1970 forgery was announced for the first time ever to the Bini public by Omo N'Oba Erediauwa during his 1978-9 coronation ceremony.


Experts of Benin history have today re-examined the historical sources and have upheld the earlier extant Benin account that the kings of Ile-Ife were imperials, overlords, and divinities over Benin kingdom.

For example, Dmitri Bondarenko, a world's leading expert Benin history has combed through the sources and have come to conclude that the 1970s account (which claims that a certain Benin Ekalderhan became king in Ile-Ife) is no more than a pseudo-historical, apocryphal, and unauthentic account which students of history must reject.


Refer to:

serosa:

You will forever remain dumb.

serosa:
Now Your making nonesense.

Sorry its paining You But.
The oduduwa You people call in yoruba is actually called oduwa.
HIS origin is directly from BENIN.

Not like those stupid stories that They will say oduduwa came from sky. Or from mecca.

serosa:
They NEVER begged for a king from yoruba people.

In the BENIN TRADITION NO OBA MUST COME FROM A DIFFERENT FAMILY.
THEIR RULING SYSTEM IS NOT ROTATING.
THE OBAS SON MUST CONTINUE THE LEADERSHIP

THE WENT TO ile ife people because They knew THEIR OBAS SON WAS A KING THERE.

BUT HE REFUSED TO COME BACK.
DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE WANTED TO KILL HIM.

AND THAT BENIN WAS A BLOODY PLace.

So They begged him to COME BACK.

But instead HE GAVE THEM HIS SON.

SO APPARENTLY.
THE SON IS STILL A BENIN MAN.

serosa:
They NEVER begged for a king from yoruba people.

In the BENIN TRADITION NO OBA MUST COME FROM A DIFFERENT FAMILY.
THEIR RULING SYSTEM IS NOT ROTATING.
THE OBAS SON MUST CONTINUE THE LEADERSHIP

THE WENT TO ile ife people because They knew THEIR OBAS SON WAS A KING THERE.

BUT HE REFUSED TO COME BACK.
DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE WANTED TO KILL HIM.

AND THAT BENIN WAS A BLOODY PLace.

So They begged him to COME BACK.

But instead HE GAVE THEM HIS SON.

SO APPARENTLY.
THE SON IS STILL A BENIN MAN.

Fisfrank:
Bro according to Ife history oduduwa came from heavens with chains that brought him to earth and according to Benin history the said oduduwa which is the same pronunciation in Benin but different spelling can't remember the spelling was a Benin Prince that ran to Ife on exile. Those two stories I don't argue about it cause Benin knows the Truth but because cause of the way Benin keeps there things scared they don't want to bow to anyone which I admired.
Have you ever wonder why almost Benin traditions about there kings is more of Ife own example when the king dies the return the crown to ife when they are doing the pro and no one will no the king is dead till after 3months or there about before the tell the Prince then the Prince tells the Chiefs before it now announced to the villagers. I'd you notice when the last ooni died the news spread out so quick which is not suppose to be then the abused ife people that it was meant to be secret. What is still helping Benin is because they keep there things secret and respect there culture so much. And don't forget any Benin Prince that is heir to the throne must go to ile ife for training likewise ife Prince too but not as much as Benin Prince.



Im an history student, I'm from delta not Yoruba but my dialect is Yoruba kind of mixed with little Benin and I'm not isekeri. Google Yoruba speaking people in aniocha north delta state

serosa:
I know what Am saying.
Am not an history student.
But I love reading history books.
The fact is that oduduwa came from benin.
Have being my grandmums place which is BENIN.
The call him oduwa which means something like road of wealth cant be sure.
The truth is that most history books that I read in school were written by yoruba men.
So they mostly wrote to favour them.

The truth is that ife people are trying hare to make sure the BENIN people Dont look superior to them.
Even some few history books. Unfortunately I cant get them.
Wrote about one OBA in that time that defeated some yoruba kingdoms .

But yoruba people will never admit that.

Lasgos for example is owned originally by BENIN people.
But yoruba people will never admit that.
Even if You look the word "OBA"is only used for a BENIN king.
But the king of lagos uses It.
Even the OBA of lagos knows that he has his descendants from BENIN.
AND he has said It many times.
I know of a time when past obas of lagos are being buried in BENIN.
I Dont know about now.

So You seee.
Why is It that some places in lagos have BENIN names.
I know of a place in lagos that speaks benin. People there speak benin.


So the fact AND truth is that BENIN has power over the ife kingdom.
AND over lagos.
The problem I have with this people is that They Dont feel bothered.

So thats Why yoruba people are taking an opportunity.



Maybe You Dont know. But the BENIN REPUBLIC that we know got their country name from the BENIN kingdom.
Because of their great kingdom.
But no one want to say this.
But if togo people speak yoruba You will see them praising themselves.

See BENIN people are the people I will love to associate with Because of their humbleness.
Not like the ooni of ife AND alafin of oyo that will Just be speaking anyhow.

I Dont know Why my DAD came from delta

Fisfrank:
And what happened to the so called oba of Lagos his throne got burn out of nowhere after he disrespected Ooni, mind you Lagos does not have an oba title and even the crown he is using is not an original crown. Oba of Benin and Ife are one blood, Benin can't wage war against Ife likewise Ife too, so if you wage war against any Ife them you are in trouble.

TAO11:
Provide the historical evidence for all your claims here; otherwise, all your tales by moonlight amounts to nothing but your usual barking.

Moreover, the word "OBA" (for "KING" ) is alien to Edo lexicon. "OBA" (for "KING" ) is a Yoruba word which became a loanword in the Edo/Bini lexicon through Oranmiyan --- the Ife prince.

The actual extant word for "KING" in Edo/Benin lexicon is "OGIE".


Cheers!

serosa:
I know what Am saying.
Am not an history student.
But I love reading history books.
The fact is that oduduwa came from benin.
Have being my grandmums place which is BENIN.
The call him oduwa which means something like road of wealth cant be sure.
The truth is that most history books that I read in school were written by yoruba men.
So they mostly wrote to favour them.

The truth is that ife people are trying hare to make sure the BENIN people Dont look superior to them.
Even some few history books. Unfortunately I cant get them.
Wrote about one OBA in that time that defeated some yoruba kingdoms .

But yoruba people will never admit that.

Lasgos for example is owned originally by BENIN people.
But yoruba people will never admit that.
Even if You look the word "OBA"is only used for a BENIN king.
But the king of lagos uses It.
Even the OBA of lagos knows that he has his descendants from BENIN.
AND he has said It many times.
I know of a time when past obas of lagos are being buried in BENIN.
I Dont know about now.

So You seee.
Why is It that some places in lagos have BENIN names.
I know of a place in lagos that speaks benin. People there speak benin.


So the fact AND truth is that BENIN has power over the ife kingdom.
AND over lagos.
The problem I have with this people is that They Dont feel bothered.

So thats Why yoruba people are taking an opportunity.



Maybe You Dont know. But the BENIN REPUBLIC that we know got their country name from the BENIN kingdom.
Because of their great kingdom.
But no one want to say this.
But if togo people speak yoruba You will see them praising themselves.

See BENIN people are the people I will love to associate with Because of their humbleness.
Not like the ooni of ife AND alafin of oyo that will Just be speaking anyhow.

I Dont know Why my DAD came from delta

Fisfrank:
I understand you if you check my previous comments you will see that I said I can argue about if oduduwa is Benin or not, cause a lot of people wrote different stories that why ii don't argue about it.

2. You are very right about the oba title Benin owns the oba title they are the first to start bearing oba. Yoruba borrowed it from them, Lagos first king is from Benin the Benin Prince help Lagos in a war then so they decided to make him a king and then he sent for his people to settle down with him in Lagos, even ikorodu in Lagos is owned by Benin too, but they only crown the kings, so they are second in command but it just that now they are all missed upped, you don't know the Benin's they all speak Yoruba.

3. This Lagos king on the throne self is not the true heir to the throne they just compensate him with the throne, even the crown is not the original Lagos crown, it a Benin crown and Lagos king are not called oba beginning called Oloriogun from the beginning.
I also know about the Benin republic too.


Thanks ma.
Where is your dad from in delta
And also go and read about the isele ukwu people of delta state, that where the Benin dynasty is as wide as.

serosa:
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Fisfrank:
I understand you if you check my previous comments you will see that I said I can argue about if oduduwa is Benin or not, cause a lot of people wrote different stories that why ii don't argue about it.

2. You are very right about the oba title Benin owns the oba title they are the first to start bearing oba. Yoruba borrowed it from them, Lagos first king is from Benin the Benin Prince help Lagos in a war then so they decided to make him a king and then he sent for his people to settle down with him in Lagos, even ikorodu in Lagos is owned by Benin too, but they only crown the kings, so they are second in command but it just that now they are all missed upped, you don't know the Benin's they all speak Yoruba.

3. This Lagos king on the throne self is not the true heir to the throne they just compensate him with the throne, even the crown is not the original Lagos crown, it a Benin crown and Lagos king are not called oba beginning called Oloriogun from the beginning.
I also know about the Benin republic too.

Oba of Benin does not visit any one don't forget that, and there is a sacred sword the new oba must go and pick after some few years after he is crowned king in ife, that is the only time he lives his palace ooo. And no oba of Benin that has never said they own ife.


Thanks ma.
Where is your dad from in delta
And also go and read about the isele ukwu people of delta state, that where the Benin dynasty is as wide as.

TAO11:
Both you and serosa are miserably wrong about the "OBA" claim.

"OBA" is a Yoruba word which later became a loanword into the Edo/Benin lexicon through Oranmiyan from Ile-Ife.


(a) If you both know anything about etymological derivation, then you both would have realized that IF a word originates in a particular language, then it must have its etymology in that language.
AND I AM ALSO VERY DUMB BECAUSE WHAT AM SAYING IS NONSENSE PLS FORGIVE ME.
The word "OBA" (for "KING" ) has no etymology from the Edo/Bini lexicon.

If you think otherwise, then provide its etymology from the Edo/Bini lexicon.


(b) On the other hand, the word "OBA" (for "KING" ) has its etymology in the Yorùbá lexicon.

What does this not mean for both of you??


(c) Morover, Omo N'Oba N'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo, Oba Ewuare 2 confirmed explicitly and unequivocally that "Oranmiyan FROM IFE ... became the FIRST "OBA" of Benin."

Refer to time stamp 13:22 to 13:41 of the video below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

Note that Oba Ewuare 2 did not necessarily say that Oranmiyan was the first Benin (or Igodomigodo) monarch ever --- of course there have been earlier monarchs of Benin (or Igodomigodo) by the title "OGISO" (i.e. "KING FROM THE SKY" ).

Here Oba Ewuare 2 specifically mentioned the word "OBA".

In other words, even though Benin had been ruled by some monarchs prior to Oranmiyan, these earlier monarchs were never addressed as "OBA".

Thus, Oranmiyan from IFE was the FIRST Benin monarch to be known by the designation "OBA", says Omo N'Oba N'Edo, Oba Ewuare 2.

IF this submission of Oba Ewuare 2 is anything to go by, then the valid questions to raise become:

(i) Why were the earlier monarchs of Benin, prior to Oranmiyan, not addressed by the designation "OBA", if the word "OBA" (for "KING" ) truly has always been part and parcel of the Edo/Bini lexicon??

(ii)Why did Edo/Benin monarchy have to wait many centuries for Oranmiyan to come all the way FROM IFE before the word "OBA" would be applied as the designation of a Benin monarch.

Isn't the reality now obvious enough to both of you??


(d) Regarding "Lagos", the earliest royal title of the kings of "Lagos" was "OLOFIN".

The second "Lagos" dynasty (also like the first) began with an Awori man of Ife royal descent, from Isheri, by the name Ashipa.

* The Binis over time have tried tirelessly to also claim Ashipa as a son or grandson of their then Oba of Benin.


Moreover, it was from Ashipa onward that the title "OLOGUN" (from "OLORI-OGUN" ) came to be used as the royal title for the monarchs of the new "Lagos" dynasty because of the war context surrounding Ashipa's ascension.

Afterwards, the royal title came to be popular as "ELEKO" (i.e. "OLU-EKO" ), most certainly after the settlement came to be popular as ÈKÓ --- a Bini phono-semantic matching (PSM) of "OKO", the earlier Yoruba name of the settlement.


In contrast, "OBA" as used in the "Lagos" dynasty and throughout Yorubaland is simply the Yoruba word for "KING" which is used alongside the different royal titles in the different Yoruba kingdoms


This word (i.e. "OBA" ) as has been shown from etymology and from the testimony of Oba Ewuare 2 is originally alien to the Edo/Bini lexicon.

The actual extant Edo/Bini word for "KING" is "OGIE".


And lastly, Benin Republic did not get its name from the Kingdom of Benin in Nigeria.

It's hightime people learnt to read. It doesn't kill.









For the royal titles of the "Lagos" dynasty, refer to: Robert S. Smith, Kingdoms of the Yoruba, 1988, Third Edition, The University of Wisconsin Press, pp. 73 - 74.

serosa:
AND I AM ALSO VERY DUMB BECAUSE WHAT AM SAYING IS NONSENSE PLS FORGIVE ME.

TAO11:
N

serosa:
AND pls Dont also be DUMB as me AND stop posting rubbish that You Dont know.

Am not ever going to lower myself to reply You.

You can continue blabbing.

AND I think You history books are out of this world.

DUMB human being thinking oba was gotten from yoruba land.

Only a fool will believe that.

I cant continue explaining to a fool.

You can continue quoting AND waiting

serosa:
You too

TAO11:
Both you and serosa are miserably wrong about the "OBA" claim.

"OBA" is a Yoruba word which later became a loanword into the Edo/Benin lexicon through Oranmiyan from Ile-Ife.


(a) If you both know anything about etymological derivation, then you both would have realized that IF a word originates in a particular language, then it must have its etymology in that language.

The word "OBA" (for "KING" ) has no etymology from the Edo/Bini lexicon.

If you think otherwise, then provide its etymology from the Edo/Bini lexicon.


(b) On the other hand, the word "OBA" (for "KING" ) has its etymology in the Yorùbá lexicon.

What does this not mean for both of you??


(c) Morover, Omo N'Oba N'Edo Uku Akpolokpolo, Oba Ewuare 2 confirmed explicitly and unequivocally that "Oranmiyan FROM IFE ... became the FIRST "OBA" of Benin."

Refer to time stamp 13:22 to 13:41 of the video below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0

Note that Oba Ewuare 2 did not necessarily say that Oranmiyan was the first Benin (or Igodomigodo) monarch ever --- of course there have been earlier monarchs of Benin (or Igodomigodo) by the title "OGISO" (i.e. "KING FROM THE SKY" ).

Here Oba Ewuare 2 specifically mentioned the word "OBA".

In other words, even though Benin had been ruled by some monarchs prior to Oranmiyan, these earlier monarchs were never addressed as "OBA".

Thus, Oranmiyan from IFE was the FIRST Benin monarch to be known by the designation "OBA", says Omo N'Oba N'Edo, Oba Ewuare 2.

IF this submission of Oba Ewuare 2 is anything to go by, then the valid questions to raise become:

(i) Why were the earlier monarchs of Benin, prior to Oranmiyan, not addressed by the designation "OBA", if the word "OBA" (for "KING" ) truly has always been part and parcel of the Edo/Bini lexicon??

(ii)Why did Edo/Benin monarchy have to wait many centuries for Oranmiyan to come all the way FROM IFE before the word "OBA" would be applied as the designation of a Benin monarch??

Isn't the reality now obvious enough to both of you??


(d) Regarding "Lagos", the earliest royal title of the kings of "Lagos" was "OLOFIN".

The second "Lagos" dynasty (also like the first) began with an Awori man of Ife royal descent, from Isheri, by the name Ashipa.

* The Binis over time have tried tirelessly to also claim Ashipa as a son or grandson of their then Oba of Benin.


Moreover, it was from Ashipa onward that the title "OLOGUN" (from "OLORI-OGUN" ) came to be used as the royal title for the monarchs of the new "Lagos" dynasty because of the war context surrounding Ashipa's ascension.

Afterwards, the royal title came to be popular as "ELEKO" (from "OLU-EKO" ), most certainly after the settlement came to be popular as ÈKÓ --- a Bini phono-semantic matching (PSM) of "OKO", the earlier Yoruba name of the settlement.


In contrast, "OBA" as used in the "Lagos" dynasty and throughout Yorubaland is simply the Yoruba word for "KING" which is used alongside the different royal titles in the different Yoruba kingdoms


This word (i.e. "OBA" ) as has been shown from etymology and from the testimony of Oba Ewuare 2 is originally alien to the Edo/Bini lexicon.

The actual extant Edo/Bini word for "KING" is "OGIE".


And lastly, Benin Republic did not get its name from the Kingdom of Benin in Nigeria.

It's hightime people learnt to read. It doesn't kill.









For the royal titles of the "Lagos" dynasty, refer to: Robert S. Smith, Kingdoms of the Yoruba, 1988, Third Edition, The University of Wisconsin Press, pp. 73 - 74.

Fisfrank:
We don't need to abuse our self cause of history, if you don't believe today you will believe tomorrow,.

Why is Olu of Ibadan titled Olu
Why is Ooni of ife titled Ooni
Why is Alaperu of Iperu not titled oba
Why is Alaafin of Oyo not title oba
Why is Alake of Egba oba
Awujale of Ijebu-Ode
Even Olu of warri too
The oba just means kings to Yoruba
But the title belong to Benin and Benin alone is the first to start the oba title.
Please let stop abusing ourselves and learn from each other.

TAO11:
Let me hope that you're truly willing to learn, bro.

Please pay careful attention to the following exposition:

For the Yorubas, there is a difference between A ROYAL TITLE and the word "KING" itself.

(a) Throughout all the diverse Yoruba kingdoms, the word "OBA" simply and straightforwardly means "KING" consistently. No more, no less.

(b) However, in addition to this aforementioned Yoruba word for "KING", each of the different Yoruba kingdoms also reserve an exclusive word to describe its own monarch.

(c) These exclusive words or ROYAL TITLES distinguish one Yoruba OBA from the other Yoruba OBA.

While the word "OBA" itself simply means "KING", these royal titles (such as: OONI-IFE, ALAAFIN-OYO, OLUBADAN, etc.) do not simply by themselves mean "KING", although they are used to exclusively describe the respective kings.

(d) For example: "OONI-Ife" simply and straightforwardly means: "THE ONE WHO OWNS Ife".

"ALAAFIN Oyo" (from: "OLU-AFIN Oyo" ) simply and straightforwardly means: "THE SOVEREIGN OF Oyo PALACE".

"OLUBADAN" (from: "OLU-IBADAN) simply and straightforwardly means: "THE SOVEREIGN OF IBADAN".

(e) This practice of reserving an exclusive ROYAL TITLE which by itself does not necessarily mean "KING" is similar, for example, to the ancient Egyptians'.

Although the word "PHARAOH" (i.e. "PERA-A" ) exclusively describe the ancient Egyptian kings, the word itself does not mean "KING".

It means "THE GREAT HOUSE". It is simply a royal title which runs side-by-side the actual ancient Egyptian word for "KING".

(f) Having clarified the practice of having unique royal titles to distinguish one Yoruba Oba from the other Yoruba OBA, I will now turn to the historical analysis of the word "OBA" among the Yorubas and among the Edos/Binis.

(g) To proceed, I put forward the following submission which if proven establishes my position that the word "OBA" belongs to the Yorubas:

(i) The Yorubas have been using the word "OBA" for their kings long long before the Binis ever would.

(ii) The etymology of the word "OBA" for "KING" is not found in the Edo/Bini lexicon; but clearly present in the Yoruba's.

(iii) The Binis have an actual Edo/Bini word in their own language which clearly and straightforwardly means "KING".


Regarding the point (i) on the historical timeline:

It is well known that there have been two different kingly dynasties in Benin.

It wasn't until the beginning of the second dynasty that the word "OBA" first described Benin monarchs. Prior to then, they used an entirely different word.

In the testimony of Oba Ewuare 2 in the video I attached, he admits that the first use of the word "OBA" to describe a Benin monarch was for a man from Ile-Ife called Oranmiyan.

I hope you're gradually beginning to appreciate the reality.

Moreover, prior to Oranmiyan and his ancestor Oduduwa, the Ile-Ife people have been using the word "OBA" to designate the rulers of the different settlements of their collective territory.

Historically, Ile-Ife comprises some13 primary settlements in those early times, namely: Ido, Iloromu, Ideta, Odun, Iloran, Oke-Oja, Imojubi, Iraye, Ijugbe, Oke-Awo, Iwinrin, Parakin, and Omologun.

In these pre-Oduduwa times, these settlements were independently ruled by different monarchs called "OBA".

Some of the most prominently identified of these pre-Oduduwa OBAs whose "names" have come down to posterity together with the settlements they ruled over are: Obatala and Obawinrin.

Obatala was in charge of the settlement known as Ideta prior to his exile from Ile-Ife during the civil war that broke out when Oduduwa rose to prominence.

Obatala and his loyalists re-established a version of Ideta within the thicket of some forest away from Ife. This Ideta was called Ideta-Oko to serve as contrast to the stately Ideta (also called Ideta-Nla or Ideta-Ile) in which they lived while at Ile-Ife.

"Obatala", over time, became the contraction of "Oba Ideta-Nla"; that is, "King of Ideta-Nla".

The etymology of "Obawinrin", in contrast, is quite more obvious. "Obawinrin" became the contraction of "Oba Iwinrin"; that is, "King of Iwinrin".

Among these pre-Oduduwa kingly personages who have all long been deified is Obameri. He probably ruled over a sub-settlement.

All these names date to the pre-Oduduwa era. In other words, long long before Oranmiyan who will later become the FIRST REFERENT of the word "OBA" for "KING" in Benin kingdom.

I hope you see the point here.


Regarding point (ii) on the etymology:

The original, indigenous, and extant "Oba-sounding" word in the language of the Edo/Bini people comes from the Edo root-word "BA".

This root-word in simple, clear, and unequivocal terms means "SHINE".

From this Edo root-word "BA", the derived forms "O-BAA", "NOBA", and "N'OBA" each have the following respective meanings "IT IS SHINING"; "RED"; and "THAT WHICH SHINES".

Even a consideration of the derived form "N'OBA" still doesn't do justice to the etymology, because it simply means "THAT WHICH SHINES", or "THE ONE WHO SHINES" by extension to humans.

This meaning is by no stretch of the imagination one and the same thing as "KING".


The derived forms from the Edo root word "BA" are clearly entirely different words from the word "KING".

The similarity of these derived forms to the actual Yoruba word "OBA" (for "KING" ) begins and ends in the somewhat similar sounds. No more, no less.


Now, what about the Yoruba etymology of "OBA"? Does it mean "KING"? Let's find out.

The Yoruba word "OBA" comes from the Yoruba root-word "BA" which in simple, clear, and unequivocal terms means "RULE".

For example, this Yoruba root-word is found in the Yoruba statement: "Oba BA Lori Ohun Gbo-gbo."

From this Yoruba root-word "BA", the derived form "OBA", therefore means "ONE WHO RULES". No but or if.

It becomes obvious that "ONE WHO RULES" is unproblematically the equivalence of the single word "KING".

In sum, the word "OBA" (for "KING" ) as used today by the Binis is not originally found in the Edo/Bini lexicon, because the etymology "King" is not found from the available Oba-sounding Edo word.

The use of "OBA" for "KING" in Benin kingdom began with the Ife-Yoruba man called Oranmiyan, as rightly admitted by Oba Ewuare 2 in the video I attached earlier. Earlier indigenous Benin rulers were not so referred.

Again, it becomes obvious what this implies.


Regarding point (iii) about the original and extant Edo/Bini word for "KING":

The logical outstanding question in the light of the foregoing therefore is:

What then is the original Edo/Benin word for "KING" since "OBA" has been demonstrated to be originally alien to the Edo/Bini lexicon??

In simple, straightforward, and unequivocal terms, the original Edo/Bini word for "KING" which actually still survives even till date is "OGIE".


Many indigenous Bini historians always acknowledge this, but without realizing its implication.


Cheers

Fisfrank:
I was taking about the oba title not the meaning, I get your points.

Oba is just king to the Yoruba people why Oba title is for Benin.

Oranmiyan brought the Oba title, before then the Benin use Ogosi.

The OGIE you mention means king but the oba to Benin is a title just like Olubadan Alafin and the rest.

I think it on Wikipedia too you can confirm from there.

Sussan1:
See frustration

Fisfrank:
And what happened to the so called oba of Lagos his throne got burn out of nowhere after he disrespected Ooni, mind you Lagos does not have an oba title and even the crown he is using is not an original crown. Oba of Benin and Ife are one blood, Benin can't wage war against Ife likewise Ife too, so if you wage war against any Ife them you are in trouble.

serosa:

They are not one blood oo