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Tenshades:
I want to learn now. And I am so eager to learn from you but you are holding back the truth you know from us. I told you I don't know so that you can let the world know. The world is watching and waiting for your answer.

We are waiting.

Leave how the Quran got to us, just tell us how the Quran instructs us to observe Solah, since it is sufficient.

dragnet:
You're just twisting the narrative, I was the one who asked for your enlightenment and you say you don't know, then since you refused to tell me that, I have asked you a simpler question within your reach, and you have done nothing but run in circles.

Accepted. I'm running in circles.
Now can you kindly let us know the answer so that we can get facts right?

dragnet:
Leave how the Quran got to us, just tell us how the Quran instructs us to observe Solah, since it is sufficient.

I have told you to tell us... Please, I'm begging.

Tenshades:
Accepted. I'm running in circles.
Now can you kindly let us know the answer so that we can get facts right?

You remember I initially didn't want to respond to you that's why I gave you the "Ok bye" but I gave you a benefit of doubt thinking you'll sincerely engage in an intellectual conversation but you've done nothing of such and it is clear to those reading who is being evasive, I won't waste my time further.

Tenshades:
I have told you to tell us... Please, I'm begging.

You said it is sufficient, so you're to tell us, or don't you remember I said it isn't?

dragnet:
You remember I initially didn't want to respond to you that's why I gave you the "Ok bye" but I gave you a benefit of doubt thinking you'll sincerely engage in an intellectual conversation but you've done nothing of such and it is clear to those reading who is being evasive, I won't waste my time further.

And does this statement above make you convince us to use Hadith and Sharia? Does it tell us how you want us to know how Qur'an and Hadith came to existence?

dragnet:
You said it is sufficient, so you're to tell us, or don't you remember I said it isn't?

Refer back to the Qur'an verses I posted for you to ponder on... That's my proof of Quran being SUFFICIENT.

Allah isn't forgetful like man . His instructions are clear for us to follow. The Qur'an is complete my brother. No addition and subtraction(modification) is allowed.

Tenshades:
Refer back to the Qur'an verses I posted for you to ponder on... That's my proof of Quran being SUFFICIENT.

state it in clear terms HOW THE QURAN INSTRUCTS US TO PRAY, I have put them in higher case so you can see the sentence better.

dragnet:
state it in clear terms HOW THE QURAN INSTRUCTS US TO PRAY, I have put them in higher case so you can see the sentence better.

With due respect, this topic is about "how playing Dice is HARAM"

I came in and opposed it cos if the motive behind the Dice isn't for gambling, I don't see why we should innovate it to be gambling. And I said if the Quran doesn't paint something as Haram, then it's not Haram.

But you claimed DICE is HARAM including playing it for fun, isn't it? Referencing to your Hadith/Shariah claim and I want you to tell the world where Allah urge us to use Hadith to supplement Quran since you said Allah's messages in the Quran are insufficient. But here u are dodging and asking questions about solat according to Quran.

Furthermore, in accordance to Qur'an 6:114 we must accept the Quran as the only source of law. So your Hadith and Shariah points as Quranic back ups are strongly unfounded.

Tenshades:
With due respect, this topic is about "how playing Ludo is HARAM"

I came in and opposed it cos if the motive behind the ludo isn't for gambling, I don't see why we should innovate it to be gambling. And I said if the Quran doesn't paint something as Haram, then it's not Haram.

But you claimed LUDO is HARAM including playing it for fun, isn't it? Referencing to your Hadith/Shariah claim and I want you to tell the world where Allah urge us to use Hadith to supplement Quran since you said Allah's messages in the Quran are insufficient. But here u are dodging and asking questions about solat according to Quran.

You just changed the goal post again, you're using a logic you don't even understand, I don't teach pigs to sing.

dragnet:
You just changed the goal post again, I don't teach pigs to sing.

With due respect, who is the pig here?

dragnet:
You're the CEO of your life? You're no more than a lucky filthy sperm, you only have value because Allaah willed it, Allaah created you and He only has the authority to order you, if you obey, good for you, but if you disobey, you face the consequence. He sent the prophet to you, to instruct you on how you should live on earth.
The phone you used to type this was manufactured by someone and it has operating conditions which you must adhere to, even if you bought it with your "fuxxking" money. Think !
You won't die if you don't play ludo or FIFA, rather you can spend your time being more productive.

we are all a lucky filthy sperm rmb, even Mohammed (SAW). show me a verse in Quran where Allah said we should not play games to entertain ourselves?

Safari29:
bullshit, this doesnt and will not work in modern civilized world we live in now. abeegi, am a Muslim by the way and no fuxxking human being can tell me not to play FIFA, Ludo, Scrable or any game for that matter. I am the CEO of my life

If only you knew you have been lied to by Mohammed. Follow Act17apologetics on YouTube as he uncovers Mohammed countless lie with quranic and historical well documented proofs. Mohammed the greatest liar ever existed on earth.

sorextee:
So ludo is sin, oma shey o.
What about scrabble, chess, monopoly.
Eku living in the stone age ooo.

Rashduct4luv:
OK, So how do you pray from the Qur'an? State evidences for what you say during the prayer.

And What does Obey Allah and the messenger in the Qur'an mean to you?

why didn't Allah mention 5 prayers in the Qur'an? After all, he mention other irrelevant things. Why ignore such important message. Religions ate man made

Xmuslim:
why didn't Allah mention 5 prayers in the Qur'an? After all, he mention other irrelevant things. Why ignore such important message. Religions ate man made

This is archaic jare bring another thing! The Qur'an goes with the Sunnah! He who doesn't believe in the traditions of the Prophet is not a Muslim!
How were you an Xmuslim again?

Rashduct4luv:
How were you an Xmuslim again?

Yes I'm everywhere

Ibrahimmrfish:
God bless you brother.The very day Muslims decide to see Hadith as a ferry tail,that is the day that Muslims will start to truly worship God.Hadith are just stories written centuries after the death of the prophet,and dedicated to him.Try reaching on the concept of chain of narrators(Mr A hear something from Mr B,who hear it from Mr C that hear it from the prophet).

Verily you are among the unknowing people. Fear Allah and repent before death comes oh you, fear Allah and repent before death comes oh you.

1) Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Haakim reported with a saheeh isnaad from al-Miqdaam that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:

"Soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch, narrating a hadeeth from me, and he will say, Between us and you is the Book of Allah: what it says is halaal, we take as halaal, and what it says is haraam, we take as haraam. But listen! Whatever the Messenger of Allah forbids is like what Allah forbids.

(Al-Tirmidhi reported it with different wording, and said that it is hasan saheeh)

2) It was narrated from al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’di Yakrib (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:

“Verily I have been given the Quran and something similar to it along with it. But soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch with a full stomach, and he will say, ‘You should adhere to this Quran: what you find that it says is permissible, take it as permissible, and what you find it says is forbidden, take it as forbidden.’ But indeed, whatever the Messenger of Allah forbids is like what Allah forbids.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (2664). He said: It is hasan ghareeb with this isnaad. It was classed as hasan by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (2870).

3) Hassaan ibn ‘Atiyah said in al-Kifaayah by al-Khateeb (12):

Jibreel used to bring the sunnah down to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as he used to bring the Quran down to him. End quote.

Narrated by al-Daarimi in his Sunan (588) and by al-Khateeb in al-Kifaayah (12). It was attributed by al-Haafiz in al-Fath (13/291) to al-Bayhaqi, and he said: With a saheeh isnaad.

4) Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad ) the Dhikr [reminder and the advice (i.e. the Quran)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought”

[al-Nahl 16:44].


Those who claim one only has to follow the Quran in reality has now adapt the belief of a misguided sect.

If one put one drop of such word into the ocean, the ocean would become red. Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

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One of the cleanest chain of narrations is Malik from Nafi from Abdullah Ibn Umar (Sahabi) from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

Imam Malik compiled a Ahadith book called a Muwatta, which multiple students narrated from him

1) Imam Malik said: “I showed this book of mine to seventy of the jurists of Madinah, and all of them agreed with me (wata-ani) on it, so I called it al-Muwatta.”

2) It was narrated that al-Rabi’ said: I heard al-Shafi`i say: If Malik was uncertain about a hadith he would reject it altogether.

3) Sufyan ibn ‘Uyaynah said: May Allah have mercy on Malik, how strict he was in his evaluation of men (narrators of hadith). (Al-Istidhkar, 1/166); al-Tamhid, 1/68)

You are speaking without knowledge.
May Allah guide you to repentance.

The Hadith scholars made huge effort to evaluate and classify narrations.

A) Al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi said in Taareekh Baghdad (2/333), with his isnaad from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn Rasaayin al-Bukhaari: I heard Muhammad ibn Ismaa‘eel al-Bukhaari say: I compiled my book as-Sihaah in sixteen years; I selected the sound hadiths from among six hundred thousand hadiths. (End quote)

B) "Scrutinizing the chapters and Hadeeths of Al-Bukhari, Ibn Hajar found that, including repeated Hadeeths and excluding Hadeeths whose chains of narrators were dropped, the number was 7,397. However, the total without repeated Hadeeths becomes 2,602." (End quote)

Do you think his evaluation was not with huge effort and fear of Allah ta'ala if from 600'000 only 7397 were included in his authentic collection? For who has intelligence and can differentiate; in top of that if most of these are repeated Ahadith, can you not see the strength? Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar. How pure and what a blessing.

Imam Bukhari who chose from 600'000 Ahadith is only one scholar of Hadith, yet you want to speak against multiple? Be aware of the Fire and no return. Vallahi, again I warn you, oh Ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

Tenshades:
With due respect, this topic is about "how playing Dice is HARAM"

I came in and opposed it cos if the motive behind the Dice isn't for gambling, I don't see why we should innovate it to be gambling. And I said if the Quran doesn't paint something as Haram, then it's not Haram.

But you claimed DICE is HARAM including playing it for fun, isn't it? Referencing to your Hadith/Shariah claim and I want you to tell the world where Allah urge us to use Hadith to supplement Quran since you said Allah's messages in the Quran are insufficient. But here u are dodging and asking questions about solat according to Quran.

Furthermore, in accordance to Qur'an 6:114 we must accept the Quran as the only source of law. So your Hadith and Shariah points as Quranic back ups are strongly unfounded.

Please read my message above

Tenshades:
The questions you should ask yourself as a Muslim concerning "path" of how Quran and "Hadith" came to existence as u raised above are:

1. on whose Authority was the Qur'an sent to mankind?

2. on whose authority was the Hadith written?



Moreover, did Allah urge Muslim in Quran to use Hadith or Sharia, etc to supplement Quranic message from Him since you are trying to claim here that the Quran doesn't teach everything and it's insufficient?

So where did the Sharia and Hadith come from according to Quran?

Please read my message above