Daviddson:
LOL. That's not true - you don't need any person's approval or disapproval to become a Christian. And BTW if no other person here want you as one, I would. I have tried searching for that thread or post, but I was unable to. Are you saying you've never thought in that direction?

Thought of being a Christian? No, not really. Especially not after considering some of the things that some think qualifies one to be Christian, like believing, for instance, or some thinking their approval is required. I'm pretty happy being human. Least that way I'm subject only to the approval or disapproval of God.

Why would you want (I'm assuming you mean 'accept') me as one?

budaatum:

Thought of being a Christian? No, not really. Especially not after considering some of the things that some think qualifies one to be Christian, like believing, for instance, or some thinking their approval is required. I'm pretty happy being human. Least that way I'm subject only to the approval or disapproval of God.

Why would you want (I'm assuming you mean 'accept') me as one?

No; I don't mean thought of being a Christian, but thought in the direction that God didn't create you a Christian.

I'm glad to tell you that you cannot worship God on your own terms; you can't put up an idea of what you think God is, and then decide that is what you want to believe about Him. How would you even know what He approves or disapproves if your contrived idea of God is fundamentally wrong?

You'll have to answer the above question first before I answer your last question.

Daviddson:
No; I don't mean thought of being a Christian, but thought in the direction that God didn't create you a Christian.

I'm glad to tell you that you cannot worship God on your own terms; you can't put up an idea of what you think God is, and then decide that is what you want to believe about Him. How would you even know what He approves or disapproves if your contrived idea of God is fundamentally wrong?

You'll have to answer the above question first before I answer your last question.

I note a judgement here, that I have "contrived", and might be "fundamentally wrong", and you say this with very little knowledge of me.

I was not born a Christian nor religious, and knew next to nothing about Yahweh until I was 7, and after hearing of God and studying the text myself I became an atheist. But I do not expect you to know any of this since you could not possibly have read all my posts, and you definitely have not engaged with me till now so I would expect you to know absolutely nothing about my relationship with God.

Thankfully, how I worship God or not is according to God and I and not anyone else, and the standard for worship is clearly laid out in the Bible for each and everyone to see. And as you can see in this thread, I am asking God, who alone judges, and not any human being.

budaatum:

I note a judgement here, that I have "contrived", and might be "fundamentally wrong", and you say this with very little knowledge of me.
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I was not born a Christian nor religious, and knew next to nothing about Yahweh until I was 7, and after hearing of God and studying the text myself I became an atheist. But I do not expect you to know any of this since you could not possibly have read all my posts, and you definitely have not engaged with me till now so I would expect you to know absolutely nothing about my relationship with God.
Thankfully, how I worship God or not is according to God and I and not anyone else, and the standard for worship is clearly laid out in the Bible for each and everyone to see. And as you can see in this thread, I am asking God, who alone judges, and not any human being.

Not at all, I'm not being judgemental; I'm speaking on a general basis about how some people could put up a warped, personal idea about God ....

Yes I know very little about you, and that's strictly from what I've read from your threads. Do you read the Bible strictly because you consider yourself a voracious and an inquisitive reader? Can I know what religion you subscribe to, please?

Daviddson:
Yes I know very little about you, and that's strictly from what I've read from your threads. Do you read the Bible strictly because you consider yourself a voracious and an inquisitive reader? Can I know what religion you subscribe to?

No, I do not read my Bible because I "consider" myself a "voracious and an inquisitive reader". I first read it aged 9 to get an understanding of what everyone called God, and read it for that same purpose so many years later, for understanding.

I'm religious by virtue of religiously engaging in religious discussions and do not subscribe to any particular religion. But if you insist, it would have to be the religion of 'love your fellow human being'.

Here is me engaging in Islam. If NL had a philosophy section I'd likely be there more.

budaatum:

No, I do not read my Bible because I "consider" myself a "voracious and an inquisitive reader". I first read it aged 9 to get an understanding of what everyone called God, and read it for that same purpose so many years later, for understanding.

I'm religious by virtue of religiously engaging in religious discussions and do not subscribe to any particular religion. But if you insist, it would have to be the religion of 'love your fellow human being'.

Here is me engaging in Islam. If NL had a philosophy section I'd likely be there more.

Hmmmm...I understand where you are coming from even though you may not be aware. I understand the internal conflict that may resulted in your becoming atheist at such an age, and even your trying to have a taste of "every" religion but then unable to really pitch your tent somewhere. Don't you think you deserve something better, once and final?

Daviddson:
Hmmmm...I understand where you are coming from even though you may not be aware. I understand the internal conflict that may resulted in your becoming atheist at such an age, and even your trying to have a taste of "every" religion but then unable to really pitch your tent somewhere. Don't you think you deserve something better, once and final?

"Internal conflict? At 7? No you can't possibly understand anything about me, despite it being written on here somewhere, which if you'd read you would not have called it an "internal conflict", since it wasn't "internal" nor a "conflict". I was born an atheist in a society devoid of God and only got to hear of gods at 7 when I moved to a society where gods were.

As for your, "deserve something better", I'm going to have to put that too down to your lack of knowledge about me since you don't exactly know where it is that my tent is pitched.

Do note that I am not "trying to have a taste of "every" religion", and I'm perfectly happy with the one I currently practise, especially since it just happens to be common amongst almost all religions worth considering. Christianity places it so high that it even claims that doing so it pleasing to God.

budaatum:
"Internal conflict? At 7? No you can't possibly understand anything about me, despite it being written on here somewhere, which if you'd read you would not have called it an "internal conflict", since it wasn't "internal" nor a "conflict". I was born an atheist in a society devoid of God and only got to hear of gods at 7 when I moved to a society where gods were.

As for your, "deserve something better", I'm going to have to put that too down to your lack of knowledge about me since you don't exactly know where it is that my tent is pitched.

Do note that I am not "trying to have a taste of "every" religion", and I'm perfectly happy with the one I currently practise, especially since it just happens to be common amongst almost all religions worth considering. Christianity places it so high that it even claims that doing so it pleasing to God.

What please is the name for what Christianity places it so high that it even claims that doing so it pleasing to God?

budaatum:

A level squared non-card carrying builder, amongst lots of other things.

hello Budaa, long time no chat. Diligently following sir.

MuttleyLaff:
What please is the name for what Christianity places it so high that it even claims that doing so it pleasing to God?

love.

budaatum:

"Internal conflict? At 7? No you can't possibly understand anything about me, despite it being written on here somewhere, which if you'd read you would not have called it an "internal conflict", since it wasn't "internal" nor a "conflict". I was born an atheist in a society devoid of God and only got to hear of gods at 7 when I moved to a society where gods were.

As for your, "deserve something better", I'm going to have to put that too down to your lack of knowledge about me since you don't exactly know where it is that my tent is pitched.

Do note that I am not "trying to have a taste of "every" religion", and I'm perfectly happy with the one I currently practise, especially since it just happens to be common amongst almost all religions worth considering. Christianity places it so high that it even claims that doing so it pleasing to God.

OK, I now understand you were born an atheist, but I'm very sure you may have still experienced some conflict of choice when you began to learn about the existence of God. Prove me wrong please if I'm .

As for the last statement, I'm guessing you'll tell me your religion is love. But my question is "if for the atheist everything is subjective, how do you determine what constitue love or hate without putting God or God's law in the equation?

Daviddson:
OK, I now understand you were born an atheist, but I'm very sure you may have still experienced some conflict of choice when you began to learn about the existence of God. Prove me wrong please if I'm .

As for the last statement, I'm guessing you'll tell me your religion is love. But my question is "if for the atheist everything is subjective, how do you determine what constitue love or hate without putting God or God's law in the equation?

Hello sir, is it not inherent in every man, his primordial setup to be able to distinguish between that which is good and bad? Would you not say even in your sojourn through life you would have heard one or two misguided doctrines from those who claim to be from God and would have been able to discern these wrong teachings by the guarding and purification of your heart?

Daviddson:
OK, I now understand you were born an atheist, but I'm very sure you may have still experienced some conflict of choice when you began to learn about the existence of God. Prove me wrong please if I'm .

How could I possibly have "learnt about the existence of God" and then become an atheist?

No, I had no conflict at all, or shall I say, as much conflict as hearing people believe oyinbo rats talk.

Daviddson:
As for the last statement, I'm guessing you'll tell me your religion is love. But my question is "if for the atheist everything is subjective, how do you determine what constitue love or hate without putting God or God's law in the equation?

I have a mother and father and siblings too, and we all manage to love one another very well thank you. Ma was a nurse too, and pa a lawyer, and both had many opportunities to love the neighbours, which we saw and further learnt from.

I think you need to go and get educated about atheists, and subjectivity, before you throw your subjective opinion about. Here's a post on the art of making up crap in the head.

Daviddson:
OK, I now understand you were born an atheist, but I'm very sure you may have still experienced some conflict of choice when you began to learn about the existence of God. Prove me wrong please if I'm .

As for the last statement, I'm guessing you'll tell me your religion is love. But my question is "if for the atheist everything is subjective, how do you determine what constitue love or hate without putting God or God's law in the equation?

psalm 38:4.

budaatum:

How could I possibly have "learnt about the existence of God" and then become an atheist?

No, I had no conflict at all, or shall I say, as much conflict as hearing people believe oyinbo rats talk.
I have a mother and father and siblings too, and we all manage to love one another very well thank you. Ma was a nurse too, and pa a lawyer, and both had many opportunities to love the neighbours, which we saw and further learnt from.
I think you need to go and get educated about atheists, and subjectivity, before you throw your subjective opinion about. Here's a post on the art of making up crap in the head.

LOL. You're still yet to answer what you think constitue love. But then I didn't intend to start a Nairaland-style argument with you when I mentioned you at the first time. Not at all. I intend to introduce you to something you never thought was possible.

Daviddson:
LOL. You're still yet to answer what you think constitue love. But then I didn't intend to start a Nairaland-style argument with you when I mentioned you at the first time. Not at all. I intend to introduce you to something you never thought was possible.

I expect you to have a difficulty introducing me to something you think I thought was impossible since you do not seem to know what I think at all. But you are welcome to introduce what you may.

As to what constitutes love. If, as you say, you've read my threads, you'd know what constitutes love to buda. But just so you do not say I never said, please see below.

budaatum:
I expect you to have a difficulty introducing me to something you think I thought was impossible since you do not seem to know what I think at all. But you are welcome to introduce what you may.

As to what constitutes love. If, as you say, you've read my threads, you'd know what constitutes love to buda. But just so you do not say I never said, please see below.

No difficulty at all , because I'm not operating from the plane of just the natural.

A little digression...: What's your name? Buda? Are you a Nigerian? Does the Egyptian god "Atum" have anything to do with the last part of your name? And are you male or female? Thank you.

Daviddson:
No difficulty at all , because I'm not operating from the plane of just the natural.

A little digression...: What's your name? Buda? Are you a Nigerian? Does the Egyptian god "Atum" have anything to do with the last part of your name?

I am buda, Nigerian, and yes, Egyptian god "Atum".

budaatum:

I am buda, Nigerian, and yes, Egyptian god "Atum".

I modified the post; please answer the other question.

Daviddson:
And are you male or female? Thank you.

Both male and female is buda created.

budaatum:

Both male and female is buda created.

LOL. You're funny. And BTW, does Buda also have anything to do with Siddhartha, the founder of Buddhism?

Daviddson:
LOL. You're funny. And BTW, does Buda also have anything to do with Siddhartha, the founder of Buddhism?

kindly get to your point sir since you seem to already know the answers expcept of course your ego is so big that you have to make a mockery of any man. If not educate us

wickedtuna:
kindly get to your point sir since you seem to already know the answers expcept of course your ego is so big that you have to make a mockery of any man. If not educate us

I'm sorry, but this is a two-person conversation.

Daviddson:
I'm sorry, but this is a two-person conversation.

where two or three are gathered the lord is with them. Kindly permit me to partake of the fellowship kind sir, i mean no disrespect sir.

Daviddson:
LOL. You're funny. And BTW, does Buda also have anything to do with Siddhartha, the founder of Buddhism?

Yes. Obviously.

budaatum:
Yes. Obviously.

OK. Can I send you a PM?

Daviddson:
OK. Can I send you a PM?

You may. But I suggest you reveal what you want here.

budaatum:

You may. But I suggest you reveal what you want here.

Is that a condition?
It's still about what we're discussing here, but it'd be more appropriate for it to be a private conversation. Is that OK?

Daviddson:
OK. Can I send you a PM?

Hello sir, i will like to sincerely apologize for disrupting your conversation with budaa, i felt this was a thread for all to air their views openly and at such acquire knowledge from eachother. I hope i didnt disrespect you in any way sir? Its not in my nature to do so. If you would please kindly continue so we could all learn, for what is knowledge if not properly scrutinized ? Thank you and God bless.

budaatum:
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I blame Christ! I can't help selling all I got and giving it to those who have none. It's just such a pity God refused to create me as a Christian.

I've finally found where you made the statement I mentioned earlier.

Daviddson:
Is that a condition?
It's still about what we're discussing here, but it'd be more appropriate for it to be a private conversation. Is that OK?

No, its not ok. I do not do "private conversation" about what I discuss here. I prefer having them in the open where I can not hide and so it can be seen.

Daviddson:


I've finally found where you made the statement I mentioned earlier.

You'd have to remind me of the context please, or I might wrongly assume.