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| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by muyinet: 9:25am On Oct 06, 2019 |
unstoppable51: |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Jodera: 9:30am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Gosh! I'm truly amazed. The fact that above 80% of people who commented here actually criticized the op really means they never truly read it from beginning to the end. Nigerians and no-reading culture is what will finally finish us in this country. Some are attacking the op, some are insulting him, all because they didn't read to the end, perhaps, just headlines and the first two paragraphs. It's really pathetic. To those that didn't read, I sorry for una!! |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by mu2sa2: 9:30am On Oct 06, 2019 |
mrvitalis:Some people, even Christians, say Paul, not jesus, developed christianity. But if you dont take Paul seriously, it means you dont believe in the Bible 100% - and that amounts to picking and choosing, and believing and not believing, at the same time! |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by danduchi(m): 9:41am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Yabsun:you've said it all... 100 likes for you |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by letitrainnow(m): 9:59am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Please don't confuse people. Jesus word and Paul word are in paripasol and agree together. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 10:32am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Before I begin, I would like us all to acknowledge that we only know in part and prophesy in part(1Cor 13:9-11) (I included) and our ignorance does not in any way discredit God but reveals that we are not God(omniscient). @OP stop manipulating scriptures, John 14:26 means only remembrance(not understanding) and I checked that with several Greek lexicons, so please always be humble and reverent enough to not adjust scriptures to match your theories no matter how true they seem to be to you. Now to the discourse, It is wrong to think that Jesus Christ words at any point only referred to the specific timeframe he ministered in. (3 1/2 yrs). Our God is not myopic rather "he calls the things that be not as if they already were" His words transcended even the age that Pauls words did (which for the most part covered the gentile age). Rather, He spoke of even up to the last days and His coming ( altogether the "kingdom of heaven" age). The words he spoke serve as a foundation for all the teachings of the apostles as well as their crowning/finishing. We can NEVER, i repeat NEVER progress from his teachings to the apostles', rather we must progress from that of the apostles to His. Again there is no dissonance between His words and the apostles', but we need the wisdom of God (from the Holy Spirit) to see how they all fit together into a seamless piece in spite of seeming incoherence( due to our corrupted perception). Also, it might help you to know that Paul on his own can never be an authority for establishing doctrine but everything you believe about Pauls teachings should be witnessed to by other apostles (and when u understand them clearly, u'll see they already are) because it is only by the mouth of two or three witnesses that any matter will be established. ( Deut 17:16, 1Cor 14:29). A safe rule is always follow the teachings of Jesus because the teachings of the apostles, when correctly understood, can only agree to the root from where they sprang and NEVER contradict it and whenever you don't understand just seek the Holy Spirits help or men who are capable(risky tho) |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 10:35am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Jodera:Are u saying what he wrote is perfect and cannot be criticised in any aspect? I wouldn't say so. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by dabossman(m): 10:42am On Oct 06, 2019*. Modified: 11:02am On Oct 06, 2019 |
unstoppable51:It might help if you edit your post and add a line at the beginning stating that you plan to show that the teachings of Jesus and Paul are not contradictory as thought by some. It's a long post and the examples given at the start are actually somewhat annoying, and may deter people from reading further without getting your true intentions. This explains the reaction of many. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by femi4: 10:42am On Oct 06, 2019 |
mrvitalis:Paul was quite educated and intelligent. If your IQ is low, you ll struggle to understand his use of words Jesus speaks in parables 9 out of 10 ....if you don't understand his context of narrative, you ll be acting like a spiritual illiterate. E.g In the parables of the lost sheep, lost sheep= sinners While in the parabe of the sheep and goat, sheep= Saint |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by RandomGuy48: 10:44am On Oct 06, 2019 |
albassawy:Saul didn't change his name to Paul any more than Simon changed his name to Peter. I believe Antipas is Stephen.How? Antipas, according to Revelation 2:13, was put to death in Pergamum (Pergamum was located in the western portion of modern-day Turkey). Stephen appears to have been stoned in or around Jerusalem. Paul bragged about consenting to his deathIn what way does that constitute "bragging"? Did the Apostles accept Paul?How about we read on and see what happens in Acts 9:27-28? "But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem." albassawy:http://www.tektonics.org/lp/petevspaul.php Paul says “Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness” (ROMANS 10:4) and calls Israel ignorant for seeking righteousness by doing God’s law (ROMANS 10:3)No, he called Israel ignorant for not knowing the righteousness of God and thereby not submitting to it, which occurs over and over in the Old Testament. Paul claimed he himself was the son of God (Galatians 1:16)No he doesn't. The mention of "reveal his son in me" means that the son was revealed to Paul, not that Paul was revealed to be the son (indeed, the Greek word for "in" can also be translated as "to", i.e. "reveal his son to me".) Paul was never recognized as an apostle by the real apostles, disciples OR YahshuaExactly how you have determined this is unclear. The term "apostle" simply means one who is sent on a mission, which Paul was. Therefore, an apostle. Granted, the Bible also uses "apostle" to refer more specifically to the Twelve Apostles, a distinction that is probably best served by capitalizing Apostle for them, but using a lowercase apostle to refer to the more standard version of the term. Paul was an apostle but not an Apostle. Paul was never repentant for being the greatest persecutor of Christians at that time! He even boasted about it! Over and OverHe mentions it, certainly (it's sort of a thing that is important), but when does he "boast" of it? You give no examples outside of the earlier one which was not boasting. Indeed, we find the opposite in 1 Corinthians 15:9: "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God." Paul declared he was teaching another Gospel of which he himself was the FatherCitation needed. Paul said God’s law was a Curse. Yahshua and God said it was a blessing. Who’s lying?Specific verses being cited, please. Yahshua Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27),Not what he actually says. Paul Said: Circumcision is not necessary (Romans 2:26) that is going against what the Christ said in Luke 2:21Jesus didn't "say" anything in Luke 2:21. It records he was circumcised, but exactly how that is a contradiction to Romans 2:26 is unclear. Particularly as Luke 2:21 occurred under the Old Covenant and the whole point of Christianity was the establishment of the New Covenant which does not require circumcision. Paul declares it’s ok to eat meat sacrificed to idolsPaul ISN'T saying it's okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols! He's condemning the practice! All he's doing in 1 Corinthians 8:10 is to give an explanation for the prohibition, which is the confusion it can create in other believers (later, in 1 Corinthians 10, he also asserts that it can make you a participant with demons). Reading this as him allowing people to eat things sacrificed to idols is to miss Paul's entire point. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by dabossman(m): 10:53am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Jodera:I can't entirely blame them. The initial examples were not exactly contradictory, especially when you understand the context in which Jesus and Paul spoke. Even I was beginning to get irritated by the write up, but decided to see what the OP planned to end his analysis with, and then realized what he was actually trying to achieve. I think it would have helped if he had stated somewhere at the beginning that his aim was trying to disprove an existing misconception. Just like you would do when writing a project or term paper. People get very sensitive when it comes to matters of their fate, and it seemed the OP was trying to create contradictions were many people didn't see any. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by myk2mic: 10:54am On Oct 06, 2019 |
niaralandtopuser: U got it right, Jesus was talking to the Jews who were under the law and who felt that they had done enough under the law. So he was trying to show them that no man can by his own works under the law be justified so he gave them the same law but in it's fullness, and by doing so showed them that no one can actually keep the laws in totality . But after he died on the cross the new dispensation of the church started and grace became available with Jesus as the object of our faith ,so Paul was Telling us that we are no longer justified by works as under the old law but rather by faith in the finished work that Jesus did on the cross and to walk /work in this new knowledge. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Jodera: 11:09am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Finallydead:I'm not saying it's perfect nor can't be criticized. That's from people who read it to constructively criticise from where the feel needs criticism. But from responses been aim towards the op, you'll see criticism like: 1. Op you don't know what you're saying, Paul and Christ are saying same thing. 2. This OP needs understanding from the holy spirit, how will you say Paul is contradicting Christ. And so on and so forth. Now if you read fully what the op wrote, you'll find out that those people who gave all those responses, if only would have been little patient to the end, wouldn't have given such a response. And that's where I'm coming from. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by gentiles98: 11:10am On Oct 06, 2019 |
mrvitalis:My dear Jesus came for the whole world and not for the Jesus (John 3:16-17) |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 11:12am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Jodera:Ok. what would u say about my post? |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by gentiles98: 11:13am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Jesus came to die for the whole world and not for the Jews alone |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Jodera: 11:16am On Oct 06, 2019 |
dabossman:What you said is true tho. From what you just said and from peoples' reactions to op, you'll find out that Nigerians lack patience. Lol. What you did ought to be the normal thing what others suppose to do too, I mean, you've started it, why not finish before attacking someone. But they just read the first line and gbam...attack!!. The mistake the op made was to make that statement of disproving an existing misconception which he didn't do(like you pointed out), and that's where everything started from. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by OrDan(m): 11:16am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Jodera:You have said well. I was surprised too, reading through comments. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by tomju(m): 11:22am On Oct 06, 2019 |
You spent a whole lot of time to write all that! I will summarise in two lines. 1. Jesus walked the earth for 3 1/2 years. He set the foundation of what Apostle Paul and other expounded on. What Paul preached is the same as Jesus' message. 2. If you build a house to roof and plaster it and left it for your son to paint it. After the painting the house looked so fine. Can we say it's not the same house just because it is painted? |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by dabossman(m): 11:26am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Jodera: Too many angry people on these streets in this economy. Most Nigerians have no chill. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Jodera: 11:29am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Finallydead:Yeah, I agree with your post in terms of criticism. But in the end, both of you are saying same thing. Which is Paul isn't contradicting what Christ says, but Paul is expressing all what Christ says in clearer terms. And if any one feels contradictory, then the help of the holy spirit is needed to explain it more for better understanding. So basically both of you're saying same thing. What op was just saying was that he's debunking the misconceptions which says that Paul writings and speech are contradicting that of Christ |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Jodera: 11:32am On Oct 06, 2019 |
dabossman: .Seriously, we've got no chills at all |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Jodera: 11:34am On Oct 06, 2019 |
OrDan:I was just so so surprised. I'm sure even the op go weak sef reading all the comments. Lol |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Nwaamurunamma: 11:34am On Oct 06, 2019 |
I didn't see anything different, they all speek in different ways, but have desame meaning |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by akanbiaa(m): 11:54am On Oct 06, 2019 |
Seems what you noticed is the truth. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by unstoppable51(op): 12:12pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Jodera:"Weak" is an understatement. Majority of our Nigerian youths only read headlines. That's why we're so ignorant of the Word of God |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by justli: 12:13pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Mc1807:If you really think about it, black, white , Asian , Hispanic , and what have you, we all have our root from one source. Humanity isn't as different as you might think. And if God be true, he must have left us a guide that would enlighten and illuminate our path, less evil consume us. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by donnie(m): 12:56pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
unstoppable51:They are not contradictory! Christians through their white supremacist agenda over the years have preached a though they are contradictory. SEE a minister who denounced Christianity for the same reason. https://www.nairaland.com/5456213/why-no-longer-called-christian According to him, Christianity is lawless. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by michael132(m): 1:02pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
All this lead U to The teaching of grail Message. In The light of truth . Pls for All serious seeker of truth. U r advice to read d grail msg. It Answer to All question |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by donnie(m): 1:08pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
michael132:Nope it doesn't, grail like Christianity was used by Europeans to conquer the world. |
| Re: Are The Teachings Of Paul Truly Against The Teachings Of Jesus? by Lamanii22(f): 1:17pm On Oct 06, 2019 |
Paul simply explained/summarize what the bible has been saying from genesis.... Remember when Jesus said there's so much he has to tell but they wouldn't be able to bear it as at that time but that he would send another comforter.... So there isn't any difference in Jesus' teaching and Paul's.. Jesus in the four gospel was talking about the future, about what would happen after his resurrection... So Paul simply explained it... |
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