Nowenuse:


For me, I think the christians in Kaduna are something around 45%.

Muslims play politics better than christians. This is the simple reason why. Christians don't take elections as a do or die affair, but muslims do and that is why they register underage voters.

Nowenuse:


Elections are a bad way of judging.
Christians are the majority in Adamawa. In some muslim dominated areas, christian voters are usually suppressed. Especially in places which are controlled by emirates.

Going by your political judgement, what will you say by the fact that 2 out of the 3 senators in Adamawa are christians?
What will you say by the fact that Buhari lost elections in Adamawa in 2011 meanwhile he won all the core-northern states? Buhari only won in Adamawa in 2015 because BH had devastated many christian strongholds in Adamawa north.
This year, Buhari lost Adamawa. Check the votes and see that Atiku got more votes in christian areas and lost most muslim areas.
In the gov election, most muslims voted APC and christians voted PDP and PDP won.

Christians live mostly in the villages because they are more indigenous and they are often times being hindered and manipulated by the muslims in the towns (in areas where the towns are being controlled by emirates).

Cc garfield

garfield1:

I met two guys in uniport last week.i dont know their ethnicity but there from taraba,gashaka to be precise.they said thatthe fulanis are the most populous tribe in taraba.they dominate six lgas of gassol,gashaka,ardo kola,jalingo,sardauna and bali.that they are also in great numbers in lau and karim lamido lgas.

They also claimed that the mumuyes predominate zing,yorro and have a reasonable population in lau.they stated that jukuns are only found in wukari and takum while the kutebs are found in ussa and takum.
They also claimed that the tivs populate wukari,takum,donga and gassol while the mambillas are in sardauna and ibi.
According to them,the ichens dominate kurmi lga while the chambas are in donga and takum and the pansos are in ibi.
They also alluded that muslims dominate northern taraba,make up about 60% of central taraba and have a huge presence in 2 out of the 5 lgas in sourhern taraba and that since most muslims in taraba are not enlightened or educated,it allows the christians to dominate politically and socially.
I will like indigenes of taraba and residents to react to the above assertions.thank you.


Thats from my post.nobody could challenge it.jukuns are only in 2 lgas,many other ethnicitues claim jukun but are not jukun for security purposes.even tivs are more than jukuns in taraba.even if christians are more than muslim,its 45 55.
In adamawa,christians dominate 8 lgas.

garfield1:

You cannot blow hot and cold at the same time.earlier you claimed that you can use elections to determine which religion dominates a state but in the case of adamawa,you somersaulted.but since religious population is a complex thing,you can use as many factors as possible to measure the population be it which religion the indigenous ethnicities practice or electoral indices and also i use preponderance of inflation people from that state for instance most of the people from adamawa i meet or read about,what is their religion? Other factors are also important.all these factors except one shows that muslim are slightly more than adamawa christians.the indices that gives you the closest answer is electoral dominance.due to the structure of nigeria,a dominant religion or tribe will always dominate a state no matter how slightly and muslim have had more say in adamawa politics than christians.shikena

Nowenuse:
nyamuri
garfield1
fk002
grandstar

Lastly, you guys keep on talking about muslims being majority in Niger, Kwara, Kogi and Nasarawa hence they cannot be with us.

See, i do not care about these places except Nasarawa and parts of Niger.
This movement of ours is made only for the smaller minority tribes who speak hausa as a 2nd language.
Nupes, Ebiras, e.t.c do not fall here and I don't care about them. We have no cultural similarities with them.

Kwara is a majority Yoruba state. They are going along with their fellow yorubas, so they don't even belong to the middlebelt in the first place.

with just some part of nasarawa and Niger state siding with you(as you claim), it is quite obvious and vivid that you guys are in the very minority to tilt the scale in ur own favor in terms of anything.. how can you align with the south if your the minority and lack the numerous clout and influence to do that, do you really understand what ur saying??

What you fail to understand, is that, alignment, referendum and independence are done base on majority votes caste.. so how do you intend to garner most of the votes of MB, Niger and nasarawa state which are all Muslim dominated state that share "culture and religion" with the north.. be realistic with yourself, ur agitation is DOA

I would have been scared and worried if IBB or Abdulsalam say that, bcuz they have the influence and reach, but certainly not your people!! Or how do you intend to convince the majority of Muslims in MB that share same culture and religion to vote agaisnt their brothers?

I agree kwarra is a Yoruba state, but since when did they start agitating!! I have never heard of that! What I know is there issue with fulani, but they have never agitated with in support of minority tribe

I have notice that you like looping every minority group into your fathom and imaginary "MB agitation" even without their perior knowledge .. You called omenka and Bafanabafana Muslims bcuz they only didn't agree with you, not every minority group want an alliance and alignment with south bro!

As for Nasarawa state. Are you people aware that Buhari lost Nasarawa state in 2011 & 2015 elections? Of course he rigged and won in 2019.
Muslims dominate governorship in Nasarawa state because the largest christian tribe in the state (the Eggons) are disliked by people from other tribes and both christians and muslims from other tribes vote against them. Even their cousins (the Madas) who are mostly christian and the 3rd largest tribe in the state vote against them.

There are about 30 tribes in Nasarawa state and apart from the Hausa fulani & Kanuri settlers in the state, only the Egbura & Akyekura (Jukun) are predominantly muslim. And these tribes are not even among the top 5 in the state.

Eggon, Alago, Mada, Gbagyi, Gwandara, Afo, Migili, Nungu, Akyekura & Tivs.
These are most likely the 10 largest tribes in Nasarawa state.

Eggon, Mada & Gbagyi are 80% christian or more.
Tivs & Migili are over 98% christian, but Tivs are regarded as settlers in the state, but is argued.

Alago, Afo, Gwandara & Nungu are a 50/50.
While Akyekura (Awe) are over 90% muslims.

All the remaining tribes are christians except for Agatu, Ekye, Bassa & Babye who are 50/50 and Egbura who are predominantly muslim.

Hausa fulanis and Kanuris in the state are a minority, but if combined together, they should be like number 7, after Afo people.

Lastly, Igbos and Southernerns are now very very many in Nasarawa state, because of the development of Abuja (Karu) into Karu (Nasarawa) and both Karu in Abuja and Nasarawa are predominantly christian.

So, I don't know where you guys get this your claiming Nasarawa to be against the middlebelt comes from. It is very very strange.

Nasarawa state is a peculiar state in terms of national politics bcuz of the composition of religion, that's why I often leave it out of consideration even when im analysing MB politics. Lol. It's funny how elections are only rigged when it's not in ur favour

Buhari lossing twice in Nasarawa doesn't indicate anything, bcuz of how the religion is almost 50/50

You keep mentioning tribes, attaching numbers, statistics and percentages to it, since the start of our debate in this thread, you have been doing that without any evidence and proof to back it up!!!! Stop disturbing me with concocted tribes and numbers if you won't attach a link to it so I can verify, everybody can make these stupid claims

I don't know much about Nasarawa state apart from couple of friends that came from there, if you want to convince me, then you have to do way better than concocting and fabricating baseless numbers to a tribe

Also, let me burst your bubble about Kogi state!
Igalas (who are the largest tribe in the state) are 50/50 or now even predominantly christian.
The current Attah of Igala (head of the Igalas and Kogi state traditional council) is a christian and he is a strong pro-middlebelter. He supports the middlebelt agitation a lot.
He banned the use of Hausa turbans among all Igala kings and royal houses and re-established the connection between his people and the Aku-Uka of Wukari. The former Attah who was a muslim used to tie a turban like an Emir.

I don't care about the composition of the religion of various tribes, I didn't argue on that, all I'm saying is that kogi state is a majority Muslim state and you can't disprove that!

You said "The current Attah of Igala (head of the Igalas and Kogi state traditional council) is a christian", this doesn't proof anything, bcuz u can use the same argument by saying all the permanent political Igala elites that governed Kogi state are Muslims, so what's ur point?

You said "he is a strong pro-middlebelter. He supports the middlebelt agitation a lot.", your a pathelogical and pathetic lier!! I dare you to show me 1 link, statement or evidence he made in support of MB agitation.. You keep concocting, fabricating and interpolating lies thinking I'm a illiterate

So what if he banned the use of turban, I don't see anything wrong or amiss with it, is he a hausa/fulani or an emir, obviously not.. he has his culture, so why will he mimic another one!?!?

The shehu of borno doesn't dress as an emir, the etsu of nupe doesn't dress like an emir, does that make it not a majority Muslim state??.. so whats ur point?, there is nothing wrong if they don't want to dress like an emir, bcuz that's not their culture.. even tho I know this one ofbur made up stories!

As for Niger east. David Umaru (their longtime senator) is the most respected leader there. Infact most of the Gbagyi leaders in Niger east are christians. The Gbagyis, Kamukus, Koros & Kadaras of Niger east are 60% christian.
The Hausa settlers in the state have been using religion to gain power in the state. Divide Niger state into three Nupe (Niger south), Gbagyi (Niger east) & Kainji (Niger north) and the power of Hausa settlers will disappear.

what's the basis and moral of ur argument, that Christians are majority in Niger state?

Nowenuse:
nyamuri
garfield1
fk002
grandstar

You guys should look at this map below carefully. These are all the areas I am talking about encircled within red.
The problem with you guys is that you have never sat down with a map to see how the places are.
Someone was asking me how does Southern Kebbi connect to Southern Borno, well, there is it on the map.
Southern Kebbi shares boundary with Eastern Niger which shares boundary with Southern Kaduna. Southern Kaduna shares boundary with Nasarawa & Plateau which both share boundary with Taraba. Taraba shares boundary with Southern Gombe and Adamawa which both share boundary with Southern Borno. Simple as ABC.
Taraba itself almost shares boundary with Cross River in the South-South.

Now I dare all of you to go and check the indigenous ethnic groups in all these areas encircled in red and tell me how many of them are predominantly muslim.

There are about 150-200 ethnic groups in all these encircled areas and apart from the Hausa-fulani settlers in these areas, only like 5-10 ethnic groups in that circle can claim muslim majority. The rest are mostly christians.

We are not concerned about the population of Hausa fulanis, Kanuris, Nupes or whoever outside these areas. This is our area of focus and Hausa fulanis are not the majority within these areas. Chikena.

Nowenuse:


Without any doubt, Dankwambo of Gombe is the best governor the north ever had. The kind of roads, schools and health centers this man built all over Gombe is shocking, considering the low income levels of the states.
Public primary schools in Gombe have access to well equiped libraries and computers, where else can this be seen all over Nigeria?
If Dankwambo had been the governor of a richer state like Kaduna or Kano, he would have done better than Lagos state, no doubt.

Jang of Plateau state was also a good governor. The number of roads he built in Plateau state during his tenure is amazing. He tarred a road up to the gate of my grandfather's compound Jos to my hometown used to be like 2 hours or more. He built an entirely new road out of nothing and within less than an hour, from Jos to my hometown.
Jang destroyed his legacy with 2 things. He wasn't paying salaries. He was a tribalist. He promoted Berom superiority which made APC take over Plateau state. If Jang has 10 projects to do, 7 of these projects will go to his ethnic group while the rest of Plateau state will share 3. His ethnic group may be the largest in Plateau, but they are just 20% or less of the state's population.

I don't think any governors of Kano or Kaduna have tried enough considering the large amount of money these states control. A Kano governor cannot be dragging projects with Gombe state and you tell me he is trying. That is rubbish.

emmamajesty:

i think Sule Lamido did better

Nyamuri:
You keep going in the same circle, rotating on the same point time without numbers!! U seem to be in a maze that has u confused . I'm not debunking or contradicting the fact that there are minority ethnic tribes in any of the same you listed, of course there is!!

What I'm saying is that, all these minority tribes from those specific states, don't have the influence, clout and strenght to successfully agitate for their course

The majority of tribe in Kebbi state are hausa/fulani, who are Muslims

The majority of tribes in kaduna state are hausa/fulani, who are Muslims

The majority tribes in Niger state are nupe/hausa, who are Muslims

The majority of tribes in bauchi, adamawa and gombe are hausa/fulani, who are Muslims

So, I wonder how you will get the numeric number or influence to help your course, no state will foolish look at you while you do that.. I always alight when I see middle belt elders issue empty propaganda that MB is not part of the north.. You simple don't have the population to effect that!

garfield1:

This is a poor or not even an excuse.during this year polls,they were underage voting in ebonyi.the massive tgumbprinting and writing of results that usually occur in ss/se before 2019 cannot be surpassed by the north.do you know that rivers once produced 2 million votes in 2003?

garfield1:

I met two guys in uniport last week.i dont know their ethnicity but there from taraba,gashaka to be precise.they said thatthe fulanis are the most populous tribe in taraba.they dominate six lgas of gassol,gashaka,ardo kola,jalingo,sardauna and bali.that they are also in great numbers in lau and karim lamido lgas.

They also claimed that the mumuyes predominate zing,yorro and have a reasonable population in lau.they stated that jukuns are only found in wukari and takum while the kutebs are found in ussa and takum.
They also claimed that the tivs populate wukari,takum,donga and gassol while the mambillas are in sardauna and ibi.
According to them,the ichens dominate kurmi lga while the chambas are in donga and takum and the pansos are in ibi.
They also alluded that muslims dominate northern taraba,make up about 60% of central taraba and have a huge presence in 2 out of the 5 lgas in sourhern taraba and that since most muslims in taraba are not enlightened or educated,it allows the christians to dominate politically and socially.
I will like indigenes of taraba and residents to react to the above assertions.thank you.


Thats from my post.nobody could challenge it.jukuns are only in 2 lgas,many other ethnicitues claim jukun but are not jukun for security purposes.even tivs are more than jukuns in taraba.even if christians are more than muslim,its 45 55.
In adamawa,christians dominate 8 lgas.

Nowenuse:


It was in 2011 that Rivers produced such huge votes. Go and check what Kano produced that same year. And what was the number of their registered voters for that year?

Many people seem to underrate the population in Rivers state, forgetting that Port harcourt is the most populated and largest city in the South after Lagos.

Nowenuse:


Nyamuri, can you see what your fellow abokii did?
See how he is breaking down Taraba quite well, just because he met 2 people from there. Now imagine if he had met at least 20 people of different religions and tribes who gave him their different pictures of the makeup of the state, he would be able to juxtapose everything together and come to a better point.

Don't be a foôl to ask for references backing up the ethno-religious demography of a place. The core north rejected the inclusion of ethnicity and religion in our 2006 census because they do not want to be exposed.

If you truly want to know the ethno-religious demography of a place, you can ask multiple natives of that place who are knowledgeable to help you out. In a place that is mixed with different tribes and religion, make sure you ask people from different tribes and religions, unless you may get a skewed picture, because everyone will try to glorify his own ethnic group and religion over the others.

Secondly, use google, facebook, youtube! Search for news events from that LGA, search for the name of the ethnic group and events surrounding them, check for their traditional rulers. Check for the political leaders and political contenders of elections in that place. Use the names of their traditional/political leaders to search on facebook for people who have such similar names and check their affiliations.
You can also use foreign sources like ethnologue. Although ethnologue has very outdated figures. However it will tell you the names of LGAs that tribe are found. It will also give you the alternative names.
Also, you can travel a lot.

For example, I used to think that Afo people in Nasarawa state were overwhelmingly muslims, until I was able to follow the 'Afo national union day' and I saw the huge number of christians in the crowd. And not just that alone, also, for every Afo muslim person that was mentioned and honored, there was a christian too.

Also, I used to think the Babye people of Nasarawa were mostly christians, not until I joined their facebook group and I saw huge numbers of muslims who were proud to be Babye.

Look at this video below. This is a dance from the women of Rindre (Nungu) who are the majority tribe in Wambai LGA, Nasarawa state and minority in Sanga LGA (Gwantu) of Southern Kaduna.
This is the tribe that the female deputy governor of Kaduna came from.
From their dressing, you can see that about half of them are muslims and about half are not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyWnBf55QhY

Do not be foolish enough to wait for anybody to spoonfeed you with references especially when it comes to the demographic makeup of middlebelt areas or any other part of Nigeria you don't know. If you want to know, you can know.

Nowenuse:
@ Nyamuri

For the last time. The group I belong to does not care about anybody's state or religion. Your ethnic group is what matters and your desire to choose your own destiny.
Whether you think Niger, Nasarawa or Adamawa is a muslim state is your own business and not ours. It belongs to your pocket only.

Every smaller northern minority ethnic group who speaks hausa as a 2nd language and has a desire to establish it's identity is by default part of us.

Take Bauchi state for instance, it is an 80% muslim state with Hausas & fulanis and many dozen tribes. Most of the minority tribes in the state have sold their identities to the caliphate and no longer care.
However, you have the Sayawa (Zar) people of Tafawa Balewa/Bogoro who have mainted their unique identity. These people share a boundary with Plateau state. They are part and parcel of us.
Now, can Hausas leave Bauchi town or Azare and go to Zar land to tell them not to join such a progressive movement? Hell no.

Zar people are Zar. They have no business with hausa fulanis or the other hausanized tribes of Bauchi state on the views they decide for themselves. They are not an enclave in Hausa land.

As simple as ABC. Every tribe knows his or her boundaries and what he/she decide for themselves.

The only people's support I think my people should care about are the Tivs & Idomas of Benue state, because without them, we have no direct land boundary to Southern Nigeria, unless through Cameroon.

And here is your final blow. The overwhelming majority of ethnic groups in the areas I mentioned that are circled in red will be very glad to belong to a regional movement as such.

Of course, the only people that will be against it are the Hausa fulani and Kanuri settlers in our midst. But sadly for them, they are not even part of the union and they are very insignificant as far as the union is concerned.

Of course there will be agents of the caliphate from some ethnic groups who based on religion will want to reject membership. Sadly for them, 98% of the ethnic groups within the geographical area are predominantly christian or a 50/50.
An Alago muslim for example cannot come out and speak against it because his own fellow Alago christians will come out to challenge him. So, definitely, the use of religion to manipulate things will fail. Alagos may have the highest muslim population in Nasarawa state for instance, but half of them are christians and the christians from that ethnic group will not stand to watch agents of the caliphate distract them from such a lovely union.
The Kanuri settlers of Lafia will have their say in the matter, but it will not count because it does not concern them

Nowenuse:


In your small mind, You think because someone belongs to a state, then their destinies are tied to people of that state? You must be very myopic to think this way.

In Kogi state for instance, the Okun (Yoruba) people of Kogi west are not culturally tied to the Ebira & Igalas. They belong and participate in different national Yoruba groups. OPC has their branch in Kogi west. Go and declare war against them and watch all the Yorubas from the Southwest come in to defend their own.
If Yorubas are going for a referendum today, do you think they will leave the Okuns behind because Igalas & Ebiras don't want a referendum?

It's like you don't know that in Nigeria, most people owe their loyalties to their ethnic groups before their states ba?

If the Gbagyis, Kamukus & Kadaras of Niger east decide that they want to form one national sociocultural body, a political party or a national pressure group with Southern Kaduna and Plateau tribes. What then is the business of Nupe or Zaria people? If they decide that they now want to identify under one identity and jointly fight for a cause nationally, will Zaria people go and stop them?
You are talking like a child.

When John Danfulani went to meet Nnamdi Kanu in Igbo land and told him that if Nigeria divides, Southern Kaduna will go with Biafra, can someone from Zaria come out to shut him up? Of course not, because he never said Kaduna state will go with Biafra, he said Southern Kaduna and this has no business with the Hausa fulanis of Zaria.

How does an agitation of Zuru people in Kebbi south affect the Hausa fulanis of Kebbi north? Will the Hausas leave their villages to go and meet the Zuru people in their villages and tell them not to agitate? I just don't understand your point.

In Nigeria, people's hearts lie with their ethnic groups and affiliations and not some stupid states.

If it ever comes to a referendum with our people, it will be based on ethnic groups. Every ethnic group will decide where they belong and this is not going to be the business of Hausa or fulani people or Yorubas or anyone else.
Everybody knows his or her ethnic group and homeland. Nobody from another tribe can decide what people from another tribe want.

If you cannot get this into your thick skull, then I give up.

Nowenuse:


Nyamuri, can you see what your fellow abokii did?
See how he is breaking down Taraba quite well, just because he met 2 people from there. Now imagine if he had met at least 20 people of different religions and tribes who gave him their different pictures of the makeup of the state, he would be able to juxtapose everything together and come to a better point.

Don't be a foôl to ask for references backing up the ethno-religious demography of a place. The core north rejected the inclusion of ethnicity and religion in our 2006 census because they do not want to be exposed.

If you truly want to know the ethno-religious demography of a place, you can ask multiple natives of that place who are knowledgeable to help you out. In a place that is mixed with different tribes and religion, make sure you ask people from different tribes and religions, unless you may get a skewed picture, because everyone will try to glorify his own ethnic group and religion over the others.

Secondly, use google, facebook, youtube! Search for news events from that LGA, search for the name of the ethnic group and events surrounding them, check for their traditional rulers. Check for the political leaders and political contenders of elections in that place. Use the names of their traditional/political leaders to search on facebook for people who have such similar names and check their affiliations.
You can also use foreign sources like ethnologue. Although ethnologue has very outdated figures. However it will tell you the names of LGAs that tribe are found. It will also give you the alternative names.
Also, you can travel a lot.

For example, I used to think that Afo people in Nasarawa state were overwhelmingly muslims, until I was able to follow the 'Afo national union day' and I saw the huge number of christians in the crowd. And not just that alone, also, for every Afo muslim person that was mentioned and honored, there was a christian too.

Also, I used to think the Babye people of Nasarawa were mostly christians, not until I joined their facebook group and I saw huge numbers of muslims who were proud to be Babye.

Look at this video below. This is a dance from the women of Rindre (Nungu) who are the majority tribe in Wambai LGA, Nasarawa state and minority in Sanga LGA (Gwantu) of Southern Kaduna.
This is the tribe that the female deputy governor of Kaduna came from.
From their dressing, you can see that about half of them are muslims and about half are not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyWnBf55QhY

Do not be foolish enough to wait for anybody to spoonfeed you with references especially when it comes to the demographic makeup of middlebelt areas or any other part of Nigeria you don't know. If you want to know, you can know.

Nyamuri:
Definitely!! If you belong to a state then your destiny belongs that specific state, unless you move and leave to another state, why do you think there are political asylum and exile seekers? That's bcuz they can't change the political realities, constitution, rules and regulation governing a country or state they belong to, hence they have to leave.. this is the scenario the minority MB find themselves in

you can't change a situation if your the minority by force or coercion, you can only do it through dialogue.. MB agitators are minority in tribe and religion, hence it will be very hard for them to ever have their way..unless through mutual understanding

Tiv, Berom, junkun etc will not have a problem aligning with the south and MB agitators, bcuz they are the majority and rule their respective state, both religiously and ethnicity.. we can even use the presidential and gubernatorial election as case study, but remove kwarra, Kogi, Niger and maybe Nasarawa out of ur equation, bcuz these states are bound by religion

It will be easy for Yoruba to get kwarra, bcuz the state is ruled and cultured Yoruba, so they have everything in common, but they will never join the MB agitators bcuz they don't share anything in common

Who the Bleep is John Danfulani!!! Mtswws!! How is he relevant in the scheme of things, what influence and clout those he have? Bcuz he said Sk will join Biafra doesn't mean anything to us, referendum will be done on geographical or state-to-state basis, the likes of SK and Danfulani don't have the numbers and population to defeat hausa/fulani in kaduna state, using presidential and gubernatorial election as case study

" Nobody from another tribe can decide what people from another tribe want", its true, bcuz referendum will be done on state-to-state basis, not tribe-to-tribe.. I dare you mention one country that got their independence base on tribe?

the core north has very little influence on minority tribe like tiv, berom etc in MB bcuz these tribes are the majority in their state and rule it, hence they can wish to align with whomever they feel like, but minority tribes in kebbi, SK, gombe, bauchi, adamawa etc, don't have a say bcuz they are the minority in their respective state, so any of their agitation will be defeated and DOA

garfield1:

It was in 2003.in 2011,it was 1.8 million.the 2015 and 2019 polls really exposed the true voting strength of ss/se.rivers has the largest amount of registered voters in nigeria but in all honesty,most of the election figures are false.only few people come out to vote.majority of those in port hangout are non indigenes.i base in rivers,its like my 2nd home so dont argue this one.even majority of the people here have admitted times without number that elections do not take place down south.its only in the west that a semblance of voting takes place.in the rural areas of cross river,the chiefs simply decide on a consensus to allocate votes to pdp,i can even provide a video about elections in my village.my analysis of elections shows that its in the west and north central that real elections happen.

By the way,i like your ethnic and demographic analysis and views.its top notch.i know christians are more than muslim in nigeria but i wont like to go into that.my anger with you is that you are channelling your work into hate,evil,controversy and to cause confusion.forget about religion and buhari,use your work to advance societal progress not to spread hate please

Nyamuri:
Your clearly delusional to say the least!! There is know difference in the way ur projecting and making your analysis, your just using a different tactics and nomenclature to propagate your argument.. your not making any sense and logic in this debate, what's the difference you and him when you keep attaching base lead numbers and percentage? How do you expect a layman to verify and ascertain your claims?

Again with the myopic and imbecilic bullshit meant for the birds!! your obvious hate for the north will soon drive you to the market, when did the north "reject the inclusion of ethnic and religion in our census..this profound proclamation is not far from bear parlour gist, deprived from too much Alomo intake.. do you have any reference to it, or is it part of ur concocted and fabricated stories?

Central Intelligence Agency(CIA), has hausa/fulani and Islam as the dominant tribe and religion in Nigeria, so what's the essence of rejecting a census when the truth and reality is out there for all to see, or did the CIA rigged for the north too?

https://www.cia.gov/Library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.html

this is the fourth time I'm providing a link and evidence to verify my claims, I expect you to do that too.. but u rather through some incoherent tribes and attach baseless numbers and percentages to it.. You make an argument, you should provide cogent evidence and authenticity , I'm not the one that is supposed to do that for you


You want me to use Google to get a bigger picture of ur skewed analysis, but you have failed to use the same Google to provide any link or evudence since we started this debate to vindicate yourself

Using Facebook is not an authentic avenue or perimeter to deduce and attest the "ethno-religious demography" of a place, I just disproved that in the other debate we had.. for example, the MB group your in that analyzed buhari will lose, had a 80% Christians participants, base on ur logic to use Facebook, then one would have thought 80% of inhabitants of MB are Christians, which we all know its not true and legit info!

Another example, if an American uses Facebook to examine and study the population of Nigeria, he might think Yoruba or Igbo are the majority, since they are the ones using Facebook the most, but we all know this is not true.. so your reference to Google and Facebook is DOA and stupidity, bcuz it can't be reliable

Time without number, you have failed to understand the genesis and moral of my argument!! it has nothing to do with taraba, adamawa or minority groups.. our debate started base on what I confirm as hausa/fulani and Islam being the dominant tribe and religion in MB.. can you disprove that?

I don't know the debate ur having with other monikers, but ours was base on MB

Nyamuri:
Hashanah your literally in an illusion and hallucinating in another dimension far from reality, if you think religion is not the main motive, reason and cause in people aligning and merging with different tribes and ethnicity to protect their interest

Why is the rotation of presidency base on religion not tribe?

Why did APC reject the potential Muslim/Muslim ticket of Buhari and Tinubu if not of religion?

Why most the president and VP be from different religion?

Why do nupe, igala, ebira, kanuri, align with the core north even tho they have different tribe and culture, if not cause of religion?

The more we delve into our discussion, the more I deduce your clearly ignorant and lossing steam.. I feel like its more of a class in session, giving u free lesson.. count any minority tribe dominated by Muslims out of ur equation, bcuz they will always side with the core north bcuz of religious aspect

Tafawa Balewa/Bogoro, is a Christian dominated area, that for certain I know, I think that's where Yakubu Dagora comes from.. hausas don't need to go to Zar to dictate to them whether to join MB agitators or not, bcuz that's not how its done.. they can only join you base on referendum, not alignment.. Why I said that is bcuz, alignment will be impossible bcuz they are the minority group in bauchi state, so any attempt will automatically be shout down by the larger tribe and group, which is hausa/fulani e.g gubernatorial and preaidential election as case study

Nyamuri:

referendums, are only done base on geographical region e.g. USSR, brexit, Czechoslovakia, S/Sudan..not on a specific area in a country or state, that's why Catalunya, Checenya, Alaska, S/Cameroon etc are founding it very hard to seceed is bcuz they are the minority in their region and found it hard to vote agaisnt the overall majority in the region.. they are in the same predicament like the MB!

This is why the minority tribes you keep calling and mentioning can never be a threat to the core north, from any angle u come from, its DOA. . I know you hate to admit it but this is the truth

Nowenuse:


Kano & Lagos always produce larger registered voters than Rivers. Rivers should be 3rd.

Can you please provide a link for the 2 million votes from Rivers in 2003? Also, how many registered voters did the state have that year?

Yes, Rigging happens everywhere most times, even the core-north rigs too. However the desperation of elections among the locals of the core-north shows from the fact that children are registered and allowed to vote.
Southern locals and other Nigerian christians comparatively are not desperate for elections and that is why the rigging is mostly done by their leaders, this is the point I am trying to make.

Thank you for commending how I analyze the demography of states. People like Nyamuri who know nothing cannot wrap their heads around the fact that people like us give him a 'go to sleep' in matters like this hence he keeps asking for a link of reference to this demohraphy analysis in order to cover his shame and ignorance. Imagine him claiming that there are Kanuri indigenes of Plateau & Taraba states I let him know that there are no Kanuri indigenes in Adamawa and even parts of Borno state itself and he is still arguing.

I also admire how you were able to respond to me in a challenge to the demography of Taraba, unlike people like Nyamuri who keep crying for reference links.

You agree that christians are more than muslims in Nigeria? Hmm, this strange coming from a muslim. Where are you from pls if I may ask? Are you a hausa-fulani?

See, bro. Years ago, I was in support of Nigeria's unity and I was even a proud Arewa person. However the reality of things have made me rethink my decision and sentiments.

Peace, equity and tranquility can never come in a society where injustice is the order of the day. Do you think people just like being agitators for no reason? You see, white people never talk about the need for unity among the people of their nations as such, rather what they talk and stress about is justice. Cos when there is justice, peace and unity comes naturally. Thanks.

Nowenuse:

You are very wrong and ignorant.
In 2011 elections and many more past elections, Yoruba & some middlebelt muslims do not allign. GEJ won Kwara & Kogi state in 2011 with a wide margin, while Buhari won all core-northern areas. Now, tell me, how did this happen if all muslims shared same sentiments?

Also, let me bring it to your blockhead!
In 2001 during the Sharia fracas, core-northern leaders urged Yoruba & Middlebelt muslims to enact Sharia law in their states too. What was their response? A big resounding NO!
They told the core-northernerns that cultural cohesiveness matters to them more than religion!
The governors of Nasarawa, Kwara & Kogi by that time were muslims, but did they accept Sharia and allign with the core-north? Only Niger state accepted.
You are a small boy. You know nothing.


And this was the reason I asked you to list the number of muslim majority tribes in that red circle for me but you couldn't.
Most middlebelt + Northeast tribes are either 50/50 or predominantly christian.



Hahaha. Why did Bauchi state muslims not use their majority status to stop Sayawa from sacking and evicting muslims from Tafawa Balewa town?
The christian half of Southern Kaduna today can wake up and decide to eradicate Hausa fulanis and Islam from their part of Kaduna state and the so called Hausa majority cannot do shît about it. They can decide not to pay tax to Kaduna state govt and the state govt cannot do anything about it. So many things they can do.

During the Biafran war of seccession, some Eastern minorities like the Ijaws & Ogonis took the side of Nigeria against their Igbo majority and this aided the quick fall of Biafra.

While some Western minorities on the other hand (the Igbo speaking Aniomas) took the side of Biafra and were helping their fellow Igbos in the eastern region against their Yoruba majority. Had it been Igbos won that war, or even if it was a tie, do you think they will leave the Aniomas behind for Nigeria? Of course they will annex that area.

A breakup of Nigeria can never be a peaceful thing. Referendum is for white people who are civilized. The black man only understands violence. The only African countries to have seceded (South Sudan & Eriterea) gained their independence in war.
This is why I want to ask you, in a situation where the Igbos, Niger deltans and my people unite to fight for secession, do you think Hausa-fulanis can stop us?
As it stands, no yoruba man will shed his blood for one Nigeria.

Let us even ignore a secession war first. See the way IPOB are agitating. If the Niger deltans and my people join them on a massive protest and civil disobedience across 18 states of Nigeria and Abuja, do you think this country can withstand it?
If we form a political party with a common agenda and we elect our political leaders from that party, do you think Nigeria can stop us?

No country in this world with all it's military might can suppress/silence half of it's population. It is impossible.

alhassanyusuf29:
That is good to hear, I thought it was mere political talk

The present gov. Inuwa is trying too

Ganduje and matawalle are doing great

What about Masari of katsina?

Can young tag quotasystem into this thread? I want to hear his opinion on this topic

Nyamuri:
You are right that kwarra, kogi other SW state voted for GEJ in 2011 presidential election.. this is the only logical and tangible argument you have made since we started this debate! however, you should be observant and heedful with the phrase "main motive, reason and cause", I didn't use the word "only", I didn't specify "religion" was solely the reason at any point, I just indicated that its the main factor and motivation in people's voting pattern in Nigeria.. I'm very careful with my words, unlike you that makes an argument that contradicts and goes contrary at ample times

Now, on why kwarra, kogi and other state voted for GEJ? That I can't tell for certainty, as they most have their reasons, purpose and objective that is beyond my comprehension in doing it.. but you cant proof your/a point using this attestation, why? Bcoz it's obviously and evidently that they didn't vote for him also bcoz tribe/ethnicity(after all, these 2 stated don't have anything in common with GEJ), you failed to validate ur own argument, all you tried to do was to debunk my point of view without justifying yours.. lol. You refuted my evidence, without proofing yours, who does that?

Hahahaha you said "In 2001 during the Sharia fracas, core-northern leaders urged Yoruba & Middlebelt muslims to enact Sharia law in their states too", this is another fabrication, fiction and deliberate falsehood that had been part of ur signature and MO since we started this debate, your stories are full of concoction and interpolation hoping to escape my prying eyes.. can you show me evidence they met southern leaders

[b]“Wanting not to be seen as acting in isolation, he instigated imams in other Islamic states in the north to agitate for a full sharia law declaration. In all, 12 states out of the 19 in the north promulgated full sharia law.” Olusegun Obadanjo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailypost.ng/2017/08/11/sharia-nearly-consumed-nigeria-obasanjo/amp/

You even said "They told the core-northernerns that cultural cohesiveness matters to them more than religion!", from this point, I officially now I'm debating with a delusional dimwit and dunce of a boy..how do you think shariah makes u lose your culture and identity beats my imagination!! So the likes of northern Nigeria, Indonesia, Iran, Sudan, Pakistan etc have alk lost their cultural cohesiveness to Arabs right? .. have u noticed how stupid you sound

Hahahhaha did you just say "southern KD can just eradicate Muslims if they feel like", and what do you think will happen to Christains in other parts of KD? .. will just hail them and congratulate them abi, nawoo!, ur a funny kid I swear.. remove emotions aside and stop watching a lot of movies and cartoons

As long as SK indigenes are within the state, the constitution officially dictates the compulsory payment of taxes and other government dues, its even shocking this point and statement you made is coming from a supposed educated and literate person like you.. how do you even stop paying taxes in a state you do your business, work and hustle in... do you expect government to provide amenities, services and facilities while they don't pay their taxes

I feel like ur lossing steam, wit, intelligence, acuity and sharpness in some of the arguments ur making.. it's more of an emotional rollercoaster your engaging in now!

The earlier you stop grouping the Igbo, MB and Niger Delta together, the better for you!! You guys don't have anything in common

Igbo are agitating for Biafra
MB are agitating for their own republic
Niger Drlta wants resource control

So i don't see how your agitation correlates at all, you can't come on the same banner bcoz you don't collaborate on the same page, nobody will fight someone else's battle, you should know thay.. if it was the case, Nigeria would have separated a long time agi, bcoz the Hausa/ fulani won't have the capacity and capability to withstand the pressure from all sides, but unfortunately its not the case for you guys.. that's why your still finding it hard to secede, bcoz you don't have the same agenda in common

Yoruba will never side with the agitators, bcoz unlike you guys.. they are just being hypocritical and playing politics, watch them keep quite once they get the presidency , we know them perfectly like the back of our hands

That'd why I and other northern elites want the presidency rotated between the north and SW, so as to keep the south in check, do you understand the logic now

Your talking about protest, ur clearly having an illusion!! Your far from reality! You keep having a pipe dream, you better wake up from your slumber.. protest is the hardest thing to achieve in Nigeria bcoz if religious, ethnic, corruption etc that comes along with it, there will always be a sellout and deep down u perfectly know it.. why do you think the likes of Sowore, Adebanjo, Abiola etc all failed in this regard

Protest can happen overseas and in western countries, but certainly not here.. if it was that easy, why havnt you guys done it?

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sarrki:
Kwankwaso and dankwambo

Nowenuse:


Why will you know the reason Yoruba muslims, Kwara & Kogi muslims did not vote for Buhari when people like you cannot see outside religion?
Simple. Yoruba & Igala muslims do not play politics based on religion like northern muslims do. They are mostly progressive people who prefer development over religion, unlike northern muslims who prefer religion over development.
You can see Oyo state that has a slight muslim majority, yet they elected a christian governor.
Yoruba and Igala muslims felt that GEJ will bring them more progress, hence the reason they voted him.



Yoruba & Igala muslims believe tribe comes first before religion and this is the reason why they and their christians can never fight each other based on religion.
They prefer the cultural cohesiveness they share with their fellow christian tribesmen over their religious similarity with the core-north. So they could never accept Sharia. This was the meaning of CULTURAL COHESIVENESS here. Block head.

whatever the case or scenario is, you still havent proofed whether they voted GEJ base on tribe/ethnicity, in fact you ended up contradicting yourself again by saying "Yoruba and Igala muslims felt that GEJ will bring them more progress, hence the reason they voted him" , I thought we were talking about tribe and religion here, why are you diverting to "progress and development now?".. we were debting about religion and tribe, You keep derailing of topic and contradicting yourself

All this pathetic English and grammar your spewing, your yet to indicate or vindicate why Nigerians vote base on tribal sentiment!! Yes, kwarra and kogi voted for GEJ, but u didn't augment your point in support your argument
Your dont have audacity and right to question our decision on whom to elect, after all, platue and other SE states never had a Muslim governor... so what's your point? or is it only wrong when the core north does it?

You said "kwarra & Igala muslims believe tribe comes first before religion", that's another lie... why is it both states never had a Christian governor before, even tho they have contest multiple times since you claim religion is not important?

And mind you, Indonesia is not a sharia country. That country has the most liberal muslim population in Asia and one of the most liberal in the world. Religion is not included in their constitution even though they are 90% muslim.

Indonesians are very proud of their Hindu ancestry and traditions hence their national symbols are Hindu figures. They still celebrate their Hindu values & culture UNLIKE Pakistanis who murdered their own kinsmen in the partition of India. Pakistanis have allowed religion brainwash them and they have become self hating people. Many of them hate and deny their Hindu origins & cultures and claim to be Arab & Persian by origin and descendants of the prophet
Same with Somalis & Sudanese who will tell you they are not black people, rather they are Arabs and descendants of the prophet. Sudanese went as far as eradicating their native tongues in favour of Arabic.

lol. Pakistan had never been Hindu, your clearly delusion and don't know what your saying, its like your desperately trying to distort and forge history to what suits your narrative... Indians are Hindu, who speak Hindi as language and Hinduism as religion, while you have Pakistan who are mostly Punjabi, speak Urdu and practice Islam as their religion..

Pakistan has never claimed to be Arabs, lol I dont know where you got your imaginative facts from, do you actually love fabricating lies to force a point in fact they don't have anything in common with Arabs apart from religion.. their way of life e.g. dressing, music, language, festivals, food e.t.c is miles apart from Arabs!!
https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnic_Groups_by_Region.jpg&hl=en-NG&tg=183&pt=32

Sudan, is an Arab country, established in 1821 by an Egyptian called Ibrahim Pasha, son of Egyptian ruler, Muhammed Ali Pasha... but they still maintained their culture.. what is Sudan native language?

Somalis claiming Arabs!!!!!!! This is a newest level of dumbness and stupidity, ur foolishness is an understatement! Do you actually have an idea who Somalis sre? Please just do a Google search and tell me one thing they share with Arabs apart from religion

you seem to think any country that practices Islam has some sort of cultural cohesion, that is the mistake your making.. You refuse to make your research while you ignorantly keep dwelling in your stupidity

Afghanistan
Pakistan
Malaysia
Maldives
Mauritania

Are all sharia countries, they don't have anything in common culturally with Arabs.. they all have different music, food, dressing, language, festival etc.. so how you say sharia makes you lose you identity/culture beats my imagination

you keep getting your facts wrong, your sounding desperate now.. clinging to straws!

This is a similar stupidity seem among Hausa fulanis today. You people no longer answer your tribal names rather you will see Hamisu Abdulkadir Mustapha & Aisha Mohammed Ibrahim. And to worsen it all many Hausas will argue with you that these islamic names are their native names .
Same Hausas will argue with you that hijab is a part of their culture.
When I was in camp and native Hausa culture dance was performed, many Hausa fulanis were arguing that the dance was not Hausa culture. What a shame!

what do you mean hausa/fulani don't answer their native names!! Hamisu, shaibu,mukhtar, shehu, sanusi, bala, dikko, Mustapha, nabil, najib, buhari, altine, anas, ummi, asmau, saude, luba, rashida, junaidu etc are all native Hausa/fulani names.. and there is similar traditional names adding "u" to an end e.g. Muhammadu, Ahmadu, Nasiru, bilyaminu etc are all local names

Hijab is religion not culture!! God pls help me outta this guys stupidity, are you naturally this dumb or ur just doing it to annoy me.. Before Islam came to the Arabs, they weren't wearing hijab, so hijab is religion not culture!!

So those Hausa were dancing Arab dance Lmao I never knew there is something called Arab dance, talk less of Hausa mimicking them in camp .. most you lie shamelessly to make a point?

Yes Zaria people can send everybody out of their land, just as SK people can. This is the point I am buttressing. Why can't Zaria use their majority status according to you to dictate who lives in Southern Kaduna since they are the majority in the state?
This is just to let you know that sometimes your majority belongs to your pocket.

why will they dictate who resides and stays in SK when they don't have the constitutional power that dictate every indigene has the right to live and reside in any part of the country he/she feels like? .. You can reside but you cant secede!! These are two totally different things

Do you know what is called civil disobedience?
Yes, SK can tell Kaduna state govt to hell with their amenities and state govt salaries. They can form their own tax group and collect taxes from themselves by themselves in order to develop thier land and provide amenities for themselves. Afterall they only get a tiny portion from the state govt's money, yet the same state govt collects their taxes!
If they make a decision like this, can a Hausa man working for the KD state govt tax force go to Zangon Kataf town in the name of collecting tax for the state and come out with his head intact?
This is my point.

civil disobedience can only be done where you are the majority and have the influential power, I'm afraid with your paltry population, your voices and impact might not be felt at all.. You can't form a government in a government, there is only one legitimate recognized government which is headed by the governor of a state, anything else is illegal, null and void
Government agencies are the sole collector of taxes recognized by law, so what do u mean by form a group and be collecting taxes!!

Hahahaha. Who are you to decide and tell other people who to allign with and who not to allign with? You must be a big joker.
Oh, have you not seen enemies fought side by side with each other just to defeat a mutual enemy?
The US & Japan are friends today because they have the same threat (CHINA), but wasn't it the same US who nuked 250,000 Japanese to death some decades ago?
The West & Turkey are friends today because of who? RUSSIA, but it was the same West who ensured the fall of the Ottoman (Turkish) empire some decades ago.
Or is it the husband and wife relationship betwen muslim persecuting China & Islamic terrorism sponsoring Pakistan, just because they have a common threatening neighbour (INDIA)?

Nothing will stop the Igbos, Niger deltans & my people from uniting if we want to, as long as we have a common threat and similar interests.

You need to grow up and get more wisdom.

lol. Your assertion and my rebuttal don't correlate and correspond at all! They are poles apart!! I'm talking about regions in a country that are looking for independence which differ on common grounds and you are here talking about sovereign countries who are totally independent off each other. Lol who cursed

You have a common threat but you don't have similar interest, that's what's hurting your agitation, you will never unit bcoz ur not targeting the same thing

Kyase:

Dank did well but he hyped most of his achievements.
Jang did well too but was not that spectacular in any aspect.
The most underrated governor was shettima of Borno

alhassanyusuf29:
I beg to differ on this aspect, how did el- rufai show any hatred and detest for south kaduna, is it bcuz he picked a deputy Muslim?? I think your views on this topic is subjective deprived from a emotional segment

El-Rufai is bold and goes straight to the core, his not a hypocrite that tries to play to the gallery.. I think what you hate is his boldness in d oing stuffs

I have been following him and I don't see anywhere it implied he hates SK, I think the main bone of contention is him picking a deputy as muslim