₦airaland Forum

LegendHero:
Yes you are right, there are manuscripts that alludes to the fact that the Yorubas migrated from Mecca. But you should be mindful of not mixing the source (origin) with civilization. Those period of little after AD years may not capture the true historical sequence but when man was able to document evidences from atrtefacts and other stuffs about Africa is usually within those 12th century - Present.

Oyo Kingdom was the headquarter of the Yoruba civilization which explains why the name Yoruba has to be related to Oyo in this context. Ife was the source of the Yorubas and no one is doubting that but the civilization is Oyo and the kingdom is well documented in history with credible sources.

you need to dig deep,. He brought the civilisation to the land.
Oduduwa was a 12th century case in yorubaland hence they called him Adimula yoruba.
His son or grandson Oranmiyan founded the Oyo empire.

justnairalande:
Basically, you have just said a bunch of rubbish claiming that sometimes publishers publish very old manuscripts and that sometimes people take 50 years between the first line of their book and the last line.
Unless you want to claim that all books should be assumed as being published 50 years before they were written, what you are saying is illogical !
Let me try your logics: sometimes some people are kings, therefor I am king.
Sometimes houses have gold hidden in the basement, therefor my neighbour's house has gold in its basement ...
Are you just d.aft or are you trying your hands at your cultural heritage (fraud) ?

Are you a zombie like Makuos too or you cannot make a simple research?

Go and read this from 1829 and stop disgracing yourselves here as if you are morons.


https://archive.org/stream/journalofseconde00inclap/journalofseconde00inclap_djvu.txt

Makuos19:
Then this is one of the proof http://ibadans..com/2017/11/what-is-meaning-of-word-yoruba.html

You must be a warrior in 1921 too?
Igbo warriors

mercyville:
Are you a zombie like Makuos too or you cannot make a simple research?

Go and read this from 1829 and stop disgracing yourselves here as if you are morons.


https://archive.org/stream/journalofseconde00inclap/journalofseconde00inclap_djvu.txt

What happen to this http://ibadans..com/2017/11/what-is-meaning-of-word-yoruba.html

bluke:
you need to dig deep,. He brought the civilisation to the land.
Oduduwa was a 12th century case in yorubaland hence they called him Adimula yoruba.
His son or grandson Oranmiyan founded the Oyo empire.

where is proof ?

mercyville:
Are you a zombie like Makuos too or you cannot make a simple research?

Go and read this from 1829 and stop disgracing yourselves here as if you are morons.


https://archive.org/stream/journalofseconde00inclap/journalofseconde00inclap_djvu.txt

You have nothing to contribute, just shut the hell up.
All you have posted was utter nonesense.

justnairalande:
where is proof ?

proof what?

this is elementary yoruba history
oduduwa, the father of oranyan, what else.

justnairalande:
Basically, you have just said a bunch of rubbish claiming that sometimes publishers publish very old manuscripts and that sometimes people take 50 years between the first line of their book and the last line.
Unless you want to claim that all books should be assumed as being published 50 years before they were written, what you are saying is illogical !
Let me try your logics: sometimes some people are kings, therefor I am king.
Sometimes houses have gold hidden in the basement, therefor my neighbour's house has gold in its basement ...
Are you just d.aft or are you trying your hands at your cultural heritage (fraud) ?

Nawa o. Seems you are confused more than FFK. I have given you countless proof, links, Actual Image, Authenticity of the Library of Congress which was the document source, etc. but still you chose to follow the crack head FFK.

The writer himself made mention of the event that predates the publishing of the paper in the press 50 years ago. Africa was already invaded by the whites before then and that was notorious in britain which made most adventurer go on voyage to Africa to see things and give account of history to the british people. The writer was a british keen on knowing about Abeokuta, Lagos, Ibadan on his own and he embarked on the trip where he used references from past decades, maps, history, and etc. to complete his writings and he documented everything in writings which was published ehen he got back.

Now after generously giving you the link to the book, the pages which you can read yourself, you are still fixated on dates and ingenuity of the Library of Congress which houses the said book.

FFK is very lucky to have you as one of his disciples, with someone with your level of IQ, he can easily maneuver all of you and even tell you the earth is flat. I just saw the reason why almost 80% of your tribesmen believed Buhari is Jubrin from Sudan.

bluke:
proof what?

this is elementary yoruba history
oduduwa, the father of oranyan, what else.

Lol, that guy is something else. If you tell him you are a man, he will still ask you for proof.

It is either he is a troll or confused more than FFK.

He's asking basic elementary history that a kid in primary school will say without thinking twice!

LegendHero:
The writer himself made mention of the event that predates the publishing of the paper in the press 50 years ago.

You seem brain dead. I can mention things which allegedly took place 200 years ago in a book which I am writing today.
What is your fucking point ? The author also mentions year 1842 meaning he wrote his text after 1842.
Mr explainer, your brain is not fonctionning well.

bluke:
proof what?

this is elementary yoruba history
oduduwa, the father of oranyan, what else.

It seems to me that you are playing fast and lose with the word "history".
This is a myth, a made up story, not history.
Get that right !
If it were history then you would be able to prove it rather than say it is above proving ! That is a nonsensical statement.

justnairalande:
You have nothing to contribute, just shut the hell up.
All you have posted was utter nonesense.

E pain this one deeply o,NDO.
Another time,make your research before bejng pushed forward like a zombie..

LegendHero:
Lol, that guy is something else. If you tell him you are a man, he will still ask you for proof.

So in your head, it is impossible for a woman on the internet to claim she were a man ?
I believe you have serious brain problems.

LegendHero:
Rubbish, this tales by moonlight is already debunked coz the prints from library of Congress in the early 18th century clearly captured the name of Yorubas in those manuscripts.

So where did this foolish writer got the news that it was only used during the years he opined.

Stop posting rubbish online, it only makes you look like a confused human being.

Check my post in front page and see the prints from LOC and stop regurgitating beer parlor gists online!

Bros, what do you stand to gain here?
First, it was a speculation that Eri was from the Igala royal dynasty by a white man
Besides the Igbo man doesn't have any history of being enlaved; even the white slave masters had this in record.
As well, the major problem the Igbos have in Nigeria is their utter disregard for the sole supremacy of any tribe.

LegendHero:
He's asking basic elementary history that a kid in primary school will say without thinking twice!

Your biggest problem is just this. You have not gone past the thinking of a primary school pupil.
In my university years, the first things we did were to question each thing we were thought before attending university. Ofcourse we limited the scope of our introspection to the field of mathematics, our field. And for example, we found out that axiomatic Euclidian geometry was based on linear algebra for example. This lead us to prove all our previous assumptions in geometry.
If you haven't reached the point of skepticism, then you are still a kid. A kid doesn't think twice. A grown up educated person does.

justnairalande:
So in your head, it is impossible for a woman on the internet to claim she were a man ?
I believe you have serious brain problems.

I am not talking about the internet. The little conversation we had showed you have an innate qualities of always denying things which made me give an example that if you see a man in person you will still ask for proof (Tho we know transgenders etc) but that's just like an e.g. to show your denying abilities.

I have wasted enough time here. I have more important things to do.

Wyttcat:
Fanikayode, should give you ibos a new name so you can drop the 'igbo' you heard from Yoruba. Btw, Yoruba is from 'Oyo Oba' and doesn't sound or look like any word from any other tribe.

See Yoruba words where you got the word 'igbo' from.

Igbo = Marijuana

Igbo = Forest

Igbo = Horn

Gidi-Igbo = Wrestling

hmmmmm that is funny but the meaning of Igbo is from the word ndigboo meaning the people of ancient...but before I cantake you serious...Just name one town in the whole yoruba that has yoruba as prefix or suffix.

If you cant...can you shut the hell up and agree with FFK ...Fac him, he is yruba and he is in a better position to tell us....the meaning of Yruba and I agree with him , not your rants

justnairalande:
Your biggest problem is just this. You have not gone past the thinking of a primary school pupil.
In my university years, the first things we did were to question each thing we were thought before attending university. Ofcourse we limited the scope of our introspection to the field of mathematics, our field. And for example, we found out that axiomatic Euclidian geometry was based on linear algebra for example. This lead us to prove all our previous assumptions about geometry.
If you haven't reached the point of skepticism, then you are still a kid. A kid doesn't think twice. A grown up educated person does.

What you are doing is not skepticism but blatant disregard of actual facts. There is a difference between theory and historical proof. You saw the preservation of the actual manuscripts in its original form on that LOC site.

If you live in USA, I can sponsor you to the Civil right Museum in Atlanta, in that museum you will see the actual writings of people in history (Luther King et al) in their original form. Those original writings are what are uploaded on libraries around the world.

I have given you the background of the said author writings and how he made reference to happening in the past. The maps, descriptions, history of the places he was going to, was all referenced because you can't expect a British guy to just go on voyage to Africa without any knowledge of some of their history.

Just like saying you are trying to go to the tomb of Jesus in Israel, you need history and map to know where it is located first, then after visiting the place you will give your writings and findings in text and publish them for people.

FFK will just sit there in the comfort of his room and be dishing out nonsense to his semi-literate followers whose only reason for accepting FFK statement as facts was because he was a former minister.

Yoruba people were seen as tricksters and shrewd negotiators in business. Northerners allegedly started calling them Yaribansa which supposedly means bastard. Over the years the corruption of the word Yaribansa would develop to Yoruba.


https://www.pulse.ng/gist/yoruba-what-is-the-meaning-of-the-word/094n5sc

https://shekereblog./2014/06/29/the-meaning-of-yoruba-a-consequence-of-amnesia/

https://twitter.com/davidhundeyin/status/1128701662615560192?lang=ca

Technically the white man made you "Yoruba" as well. No such thing existed pre-colonisation. Even the word "Yoruba" is a British corruption of a Hausa word "Yoruba." The "Yoruba" monolith is yet another ahistorical Nigerianism.

LegendHero:
What you are doing is not skepticism but blatant disregard of actual facts. There is a difference between theory and historical proof. You saw the preservation of the actual manuscripts in its original form on that LOC site.

If you live in USA, I can sponsor you to the Civil right Museum in Atlanta, in that museum you will see the actual writings of people in history (Luther King et al) in their original form. Those original writings are what are uploaded on libraries around the world.

I have given you the background of the said author writings and how he made reference to happening in the past. The maps, descriptions, history of the places he was going to, was all referenced because you can't expect a British guy to just go on voyage to Africa without any knowledge of some of their history.

Just like saying you are trying to go to the tomb of Jesus in Israel, you need history and map to know where it is located first, then after visiting the place you will give your writings and findings in text and publish them for people.

FFK will just sit there in the comfort of his room and be dishing out nonsense to his semi-literate followers whose only reason for accepting FFK statement as facts was because he was a former minister.

Please stop saying nonsense and let me go. You are quoting documents which are available only to you ? Well isn't that what every quack says. Discussion is over you are a crook with nothing legitimate to share. I just kept debunking you and your ignorance. Take the shame like a man. And stop wasting my time.

FFK is right, his detractors have no point.

AmuDimpka:
[s]Yoruba people were seen as tricksters and shrewd negotiators in business. Northerners allegedly started calling them Yaribansa which supposedly means bastard. Over the years the corruption of the word Yaribansa would develop to Yoruba.


https://www.pulse.ng/gist/yoruba-what-is-the-meaning-of-the-word/094n5sc

https://shekereblog./2014/06/29/the-meaning-of-yoruba-a-consequence-of-amnesia/

https://twitter.com/davidhundeyin/status/1128701662615560192?lang=ca

Technically the white man made you "Yoruba" as well. No such thing existed pre-colonisation. Even the word "Yoruba" is a British corruption of a Hausa word "Yoruba." The "Yoruba" monolith is yet another ahistorical Nigerianism.[/s]

Rubbish, read this thread from page 1 to this place to reveal your ignorance. Yoruba name already existed ling before the Fulani/Hausa made contact and there is credible sources to back that claim.

You are here bringing blog website to back up your claim without any known sources or actual Image of the original sources. Seems you are even more confused than the former guy and it seems FFK have a lot of low level IQ people to convince with his ridiculous claims.

AmuDimpka:
Yoruba people were seen as tricksters and shrewd negotiators in business. Northerners allegedly started calling them Yaribansa which supposedly means bastard. Over the years the corruption of the word Yaribansa would develop to Yoruba.


https://www.pulse.ng/gist/yoruba-what-is-the-meaning-of-the-word/094n5sc

https://shekereblog./2014/06/29/the-meaning-of-yoruba-a-consequence-of-amnesia/

https://twitter.com/davidhundeyin/status/1128701662615560192?lang=ca

Technically the white man made you "Yoruba" as well. No such thing existed pre-colonisation. Even the word "Yoruba" is a British corruption of a Hausa word "Y.a.riba." The "Yoruba" monolith is yet another ahistorical Nigerianism.

They haven't changed except a few, it must be in their dna

justnairalande:
Please stop saying nonsense and let me go. You are quoting documents which are available only to you ? Well isn't that what every quack says. Discussion is over you are a crook with nothing legitimate to share. I just kept debunking you and your ignorance. Take the shame like a man. And stop wasting my time.

FFK is right, his detractors have no point.

Haha at the bolded. I clearly gave you the link to the document Image, the document on LOC, the document name and yet you said it is only available to me.

I'm very sure you have learnt one or two things from me today on this platform. Your ego won't allow you to accept that tho.

LegendHero:
Haha at the bolded. I clearly gave you the link to the document Image, the document on LOC, the document name and yet you said it is only available to me.

I'm very sure you have learnt one or two things from me today on this platform. Your ego won't allow you to accept that tho.

What you are quoting was no where on the text which you presented.

justnairalande:
What you are quoting was no where on the text which you presented.

I won’t start going around in circles again. Let’s just end the argument here.

Nice talking to you.

Gracias!

LegendHero:
The topic has already been debunked coz the tag Yoruba already existed even before the Hausa/Fulani knew the road to Oyo kingdom.

The first mosque was built in 1655 even when the Hausa never even thought of migrating to Oyo.

The Malian traders brought Islam to the Yorubas which explains why our old people call Islam Esin Imale (religion of the Malians)

Shonghai scholar Ahmad Baba actually was the one that gave that name to the Oyo people to classify them.

So either FFK is mentally deranged or he is psychologically handicapped to even mention that the name originated from the Hausa/Fulanis.

Also if you check front page, you will see the prints from library of Congress that captured Yoruba name in the early 18th century. Fulani invaded Oyo toward the late 18th century or early 19th century. So where did FFK the crack head got his news from?

Islam is already in Hausa land b4 1800 google name of kano kings,their name is Islamic since the 1400 and Borno were muslims since 1090 AD.The jihad of 1804 was a regime change.And there was contact between Yoruba and Hausa b4 Yoruba have any contact with Mali.So Islam likely find it way to Yoruba land through Hausa b4 the jihad of 1804,many Yoruba words are even borrow from Hausa so you can not just go on changing history.Hausa have a well written and history of traveling and trade that dated centuries b4 any ever heard of Yoruba,i never heard of Yoruba trade caravan crossing the Sahara.
The Songhai scholar Ahamad baba most have heard the name from Hausa people,cause some part of Hausa land was under the control of the Songhai empire for a while.

Ibrahimmrfish:
Islam is already in Hausa land b4 1800 google name of kano kings,their name is Islamic since the 1400 and Borno were muslims since 1090 AD.The jihad of 1804 was a regime change.And there was contact between Yoruba and Hausa b4 Yoruba have any contact with Mali.So Islam likely find it way to Yoruba land through Hausa b4 the jihad of 1804,many Yoruba words are even borrow from Hausa so you can not just go on changing history.Hausa have a well written and history of traveling and trade that dated centuries b4 any ever heard of Yoruba,i never heard of Yoruba trade caravan crossing the Sahara.
The Songhai scholar Ahamad baba most have heard the name from Hausa people,cause some part of Hausa land was under the control of the Songhai empire for a while.

I did not say Islam was not in Hausa land before 1800, I made reference to the Sokoto Jihad with started in 1804 like you opined.

No, there is no historical fact to backup the claim that Islam got to the Yoruba through the Hausa because well documented sources only made mention to Ahmad baba who was a Songhai Scholar before Hausa civilization. I have the teachings of Ahmad Baba in my archives the live image of his work which he wrote in arabic in the 17th century.

Yes you are right, Hausaland was under the Songhai empire at some point because all those region along that line of axis were within that empire. Studying the map will reveal this to you.

I am a muslim and Islam is usually called Esin Imale by the old people which gives credence to the fact that it was actually the malians that first brought it. The first mosque in Iwo was built around that 1670 and also the first mosque was already built in sometimes around 1550 AD in Oyo Ile, although it was built by foreigners then.

Yoruba has a lot of word borrowed from Islamic and not necessarily Hausa like you claimed.
Jimoh from arabic Jumat

Abere from “ai-bra,” which also means needle.

Alubosa. This Yoruba word for “onion” which the the Hausa called “albasa,” which in turn borrowed it from the Arabic “al-basal.”

Atele/itele. It means “following” in Yoruba, and it is derived from “at-talin,” which also means “following” in Arabic.

Barika. This is the Yoruba word for “congratulations.” It is rendered as “barka” in Hausa. The word’s original Arabic form is “al-baraka,” which means “greetings.”

Anfani. This Yoruba word for “utility” or “importance” also occurs in Hausa, Batonu, and many northern and central Nigerian languages. It is derived from the Arabic “naf,” which means “advantage, profit.”

Ara/ apaara. The word means "thunder" in Yoruba, and is derived from the Arabic “ar-ra’d.”

Fitila. It means any kind of lamp. Its roots are located in the Arabic word for lamp, which is “fatil.”

. Asiri. It means “secret” in Yoruba, Hausa, and in many other Nigerian languages. It is derived from the Arabic “as-sirr” where it also means “secret.”

“Amo.” It is a conjunction in Yoruba, which performs the same function that the word “but” performs in English; it introduces contrast. It is rendered as “amma” in Hausa, which is the way it is rendered in its original Arabic form.

Can you see most of the words you think were Hausa language were actually arabic??

LegendHero:
I did not say Islam was not in Hausa land before 1800, I made reference to the Sokoto Jihad with started in 1804 like you opined.

No, there is no historical fact to backup the claim that Islam got to the Yoruba through the Hausa because well documented sources only made mention to Ahmad baba who was a Songhai Scholar before Hausa civilization. I have the teachings of Ahmad Baba in my archives the live image of his work which he wrote in arabic in the 17th century.

Yes you are right, Hausaland was under the Songhai empire at some point because all those region along that line of axis were within that empire. Studying the map will reveal this to you.

I am a muslim and Islam is usually called Esin Imale by the old people which gives credence to the fact that it was actually the malians that first brought it. The first mosque in Iwo was built around that 1670 and also the first mosque was already built in sometimes around 1550 AD in Oyo Ile, although it was built by foreigners then.

Yoruba has a lot of word borrowed from Islamic and not necessarily Hausa like you claimed.
Jimoh from arabic Jumat
Alamisi (thursday) from Alhamiz
Haramu from haram

etc.

You choose to believe what you want to believe,the fact on ground still remain the same.Sauka,is come down in Hausa and Yoruba is sauka le.There are lot of hausa words in Yoruba.The facts that Hausa people saw you as children of bayajida tell a lot about the contacts between this two group.If Hausa can travel to Cairo,tripoli and Timbuktu then they surely did travel and conduct business with Yoruba.One thing i notice about yoruba is you guys like ignoring the contribution and of northern influence to their culture.Trust me every information about Yoruba,Gwari,Nupe and Juku the people of the Sahara have was from the Hausas.They were the intermediary between Sahara and the grass land.Like i said there was never a record of Yoruba having a trade caravan gross Sahara,if there is show me.

Makuos19:
What happen to this http://ibadans..com/2017/11/what-is-meaning-of-word-yoruba.html

Zzombie..

Ibrahimmrfish:
You choose to believe what you want to believe,the fact on ground still remain the same.Sauka,is come down in Hausa and Yoruba is sauka le.There are lot of hausa words in Yoruba.The facts that Hausa people saw you as children of bayajida tell a lot about the contacts between this two group.If Hausa can travel to Cairo,tripoli and Timbuktu then they surely did travel and conduct business with Yoruba.One thing i notice about yoruba is you guys like ignoring the contribution and of northern influence to their culture.Trust me every information about Yoruba,Gwari,Nupe and Juku the people of the Sahara have was from the Hausas.They were the intermediary between Sahara and the grass land.Like i said there was never a record of Yoruba having a trade caravan gross Sahara,if there is show me.

I am not disputing the contributions of the Hausa or other sources to the Yorubas. Neither did I ever said the Hausa did not have history with the Yorubas concerning the trade and etc.

What I however said was that Islam got to Yoruba land through the Malian traders and not the Hausa people. If you have any other source to conclude that Islam got to the Yorubas through Hausas please tell me and give the source.

Check my earlier reply of the Arabic words used by both Yoruba and Hausa which most Hausa always believes originated from them. Those words are Arabic words that have been borrowed by both tribes and can’t be said to the indigenous language of one of these tribe.

You mentioned most Hausa words were used by Yorubas but I just told you those words are actually Arabic. Some sources said the Yorubas originates from Makkah, if those sources were right then we can opine they learn those Arabic words from the source.

Ibrahimmrfish:
You choose to believe what you want to believe,the fact on ground still remain the same.Sauka,is come down in Hausa and Yoruba is sauka le.There are lot of hausa words in Yoruba.The facts that Hausa people saw you as children of bayajida tell a lot about the contacts between this two group.If Hausa can travel to Cairo,tripoli and Timbuktu then they surely did travel and conduct business with Yoruba.One thing i notice about yoruba is you guys like ignoring the contribution and of northern influence to their culture.Trust me every information about Yoruba,Gwari,Nupe and Juku the people of the Sahara have was from the Hausas.They were the intermediary between Sahara and the grass land.Like i said there was never a record of Yoruba having a trade caravan gross Sahara,if there is show me.

Also you should know there are many words in Yoruba which coincides with the Arabic language that do not exist in Songhai or Hausa language which give credence to the sources that said the Yorubas actually migrated from Makkah.

For instance, Ale (Night in Yoruba) is equivalent to Al’Lahl (Night in Arabic) but cannot be found in either Songhai or Haisa language.

Same for Alantakun (Meaning spider in Yoruba) equivalent to Al’Ankabut (Spider im Arabic) which also does not exist in both Songhai and Hausa language.

What I’m trying to tell you is that you shouldn’t be fixated on the idea that Hausa owned those languages and that Yoruba borrowed them. NO, that language is Arabic and Yoruba simply used those words just the way Hausas also used those words.