SarkinYarki:


Boeing doesn't make engines please , you don't know how plane work ehh? And Aero uses the same 737 - 500 so what's cupboard about that ?

GE does manufacture engines for Boeing commercial airplanes . I think what you should explain is why most airline around the world have grounded 737 .that model is so epidemic to engine failure ,I am not saying engine failure don't occur in other planes . And it has follow the same trend of failing after take off .

SarkinYarki:
The crew flew by the book , one engine lost thrust at V2 the pilots followed the safety checklist by making an air return with the remaining engine . Great flying , this is the simple procedure the crashed Dana's captain refused to heed since he didn't want to miss his own flight to the US

in the case of Dana Air both engines shut down

Jarus:


Read that months ago - at least the wiki entry.

I knew a little bit about that incident. In fact, the pilot's last communication with the ATC was "I have lost noth engines...I have lost everything".

I know he said simething like "I just want to get home..." when they first noticed an issue about 17 minutes into the journey", but I thought that home was Lagos.

When they lost the first engine, first officer suggested to the captain to get the flight engineer to evaluate the issue. The captain declined that they can resolve it themselves. He asked the first officer to increase the rate of descent which the first officer objected to but still carried out the command. Then they lost the second engine. If they hadn't increased rate of descent, I feel they would still have been able to glide to the airport when the second engine went out

SarkinYarki:
The crew flew by the book , one engine lost thrust at V2 the pilots followed the safety checklist by making an air return with the remaining engine . Great flying , this is the simple procedure the crashed Dana's captain refused to heed since he didn't want to miss his own flight to the US

are u serious? He deliberately killed people's loved ones cos of his trip to America? I tot d engine failed wen he had gotten to lag o.

Ogbunigwe2018:

Thank you for this privilege information.
Any leads to Sosoliso and Belview?

that bellview own na bomb jaare

maxiuc:
in the case of Dana Air both engines shut down

He lost one engine first

EgunMogaji2:


You’re incorrect.

what do u know

Kaycee9242:


local flights have 2 engines, whereas international flights have 4 coz of d long distance

wrong. Most planes have 2 engines. The 4 engines planes are the 747's, A380's, A340's. They are not categorised by local or international. Infact the twin engine planes have the longest range now.

Electronzeez:


GE does manufacture engines for Boeing commercial airplanes . I think what you should explain is why most airline around the world have grounded 737 .that model is so epidemic to engine failure ,I am not saying engine failure don't occur in other planes . And it has follow the same trend of failing after take off .

Boeing deploys GE engines on just it's 747 , 767 ,777, 787 models but on other models it deploys Pratt &Whitney's , Rolls Royce, EA and CFMs... 787 uses either rolls Royce engines or GE engines , 737s have used Pratts , have used EAs and now later models CFMs. The CFM leap engine was what caused the displacement of the 737 max airframes aero dynamic balance so much much they had to deploy MCAS automatic trimmer software that caused both crashes .

Cc .BrutalJab get in here let's discuss more please

petitejolie:
are u serious? He deliberately killed people's loved ones cos of his trip to America? I tot d engine failed wen he had gotten to lag o.

He noticed that one of the engines was not thrusting properly when he left Abuja but ignored it because he had a flight to catch that evening to the US where he also had work to do so he risked it , yes one engine can complete a flight but it's very risky like he eventually learnt on that day .

Do you know me?.

indigene:

You can't afford it.

Kaycee9242:


local flights have 2 engines, whereas international flights have 4 coz of d long distance

Most long haul commercial jets have just two engines the 767 A350, 787 , 777 all have just two engines . The only commercial jetliner you will see with 4 engines today are the A340 , A380 and 747

SarkinYarki:
The crew flew by the book , one engine lost thrust at V2 the pilots followed the safety checklist by making an air return with the remaining engine . Great flying , this is the simple procedure the crashed Dana's captain refused to heed since he didn't want to miss his own flight to the US

Wow. And he checked himself out of the world!

sofiscatedmoron:
one engine is enough to fly u from lagos to Miami
the second ,3rd or 4th engine is for back up

U are right but its risky on 737 as it only has 2engines unlike Boeing747 and Airbus380

I know its scary when u hear the pilot announve that u have lost an engine mid-air especially on a 2engine aircraft. But that's still a PAN PAN call not a MAY DAY which is a dangerous call. So its easy to locate the nearest airport and declare emergency landing on one engine.
The worst call that u should be scared of is BRACE whuch means prepare fir crash/impact.

sofiscatedmoron:
one engine is enough to fly u from lagos to Miami
the second ,3rd or 4th engine is for back up

Uncle, Boeing 737-500 is a twin engine aircraft

Good job. Detect an anomaly and take immediate action. Some airlines and pilots will continue on, downgrading the risk to their peril.

LabDNA:


Sometimes it's just the emotions of the pilots that actually mastermind the cause of plane crashes. If they follow SOPs, and routine checks without beclouding their sense of judgement, there will be hardly any crash.

What do you mean by this.? What procedure could gave stopped an engine failure.? Without knowing the cause of the failue what checks could have been made to prevent this.

There are hardly any cases of pilot error leading to an engine failure. The problem has never been the failure but the reaction to it which in some cases has worsened the sitiation.

Ibrahim9090:
Confession time..

Na DAT time you go dey hear different confessions.

sofiscatedmoron:
one engine is enough to fly u from lagos to Miami
the second ,3rd or 4th engine is for back up

Are you nuts. An engine failure is a serious emergency and a request to land asap should be initiated. Modern jet engines are very, very reliable so when one fails it means something serious has occured most likely not in or with the engine itself but with adjoining systems commanding fuel flow or electrical power. If the engine itself fails every bolt and nut will feel the impact.

michaelwilli:

When they lost the first engine, first officer suggested to the captain to get the flight engineer to evaluate the issue. The captain declined that they can resolve it themselves. He asked the first officer to increase the rate of descent which the first officer objected to but still carried out the command. Then they lost the second engine. If they hadn't increased rate of descent, I feel they would still have been able to glide to the airport when the second engine went out

I remember the incident quite well and then I attributed it to pilot error because he flew with one engine for 'quite a while' before the second engine failed. My question then and I say so now is that:

Yes, a twin engined or even four engined aircraft can fly and land safely with one engine operating but, BUT only if the pilot knows exactly what caused the engine to fail ...or lose thrust. And I wil say to pilots. If you donot know what caused the engine to fail then declare an immediate emergency and put the bird down asap.

He had Akure, Ibadan airports to do that bit for some reason decided to continue on to Lagos which proved a bridge too far. Pilots flying in Nigeria should be conversant with ALL airports and airfield along their corridors/airways be they operational or not. It could jùst be a life saver.

If for instance you have a fuel flow (blockage), fuel contamination (popular in the 90's in Nigeria), fuel pump failure (electrical) and one engine goes out as a result, you have no engies because it is just a matter of time before the other(s) die. It will not matter whether the aircraft can fly with one engine or not. The key is: what caused the engine failure.

If I am a pilot I will not hang around to find out or continue stupidly to my destination, company image or not.

Jarus:


I have flown more than 300 times in the last 13 years and I used to be very casual about it (no form of worry), but since I lost a friend in the Ethiopian crash in March this year, flying has not been the same for me again. I have flown about 30 times between March and now, and I was not myself throughout the flights. I used to sleep no matter how short the journey was, but I have not been able to close my eyes for 1 minute in all flights since March.

Knowing someone personally in a crashed flight changed flying experience for me. Not sure I will ever recover.

I totally get.

I also lost someone who was not a personal friend, but a mentor of some sorts. Prof Adesanmi.

It was bad before that plane crash. After him, it's worse.

LordPsalm:
I know its scary when u hear the pilot announve that u have lost an engine mid-air especially on a 2engine aircraft. But that's still a PAN PAN call not a MAY DAY which is a dangerous call. So its easy to locate the nearest airport and declare emergency landing on one engine.
The worst call that u should be scared of is BRACE whuch means prepare fir crash/impact.

I don't want to hear anyone. The "severe thunderstorm " from a pilot I heard gave me panic mode.

Jarus:


I have flown more than 300 times in the last 13 years and I used to be very casual about it (no form of worry), but since I lost a friend in the Ethiopian crash in March this year, flying has not been the same for me again. I have flown about 30 times between March and now, and I was not myself throughout the flights. I used to sleep no matter how short the journey was, but I have not been able to close my eyes for 1 minute in all flights since March.

Knowing someone personally in a crashed flight changed flying experience for me. Not sure I will ever recover.

You have mind o Oga Jarus, reduce flying abeg. That shiit is tooo scary for me, I hate the experience....I flew from Lagos to PH, den PH back to Lagos recently and it was a really nice flight but then, my mind wasn't at rest.

The only reason I flew waa because my car wasn't in good shape at that time and then, I was scared of the PH route.

Flying is cool and very fast but then, putting my life in the hands of a fellow human is too scary for me, I was pessimistic all through the flight and I felt really sad thinking about how the Passengers of the ill fated flights would react knowing that, they are dying.

That big metal object coming down from the sky to bust into flames is too sad an experience.

rockhillz:


Uncle, Boeing 737-500 is a twin engine aircraft

head master i never mentioned boeing 737-500,
,you did

sofiscatedmoron:

what do u know

I hold a Private Pilots License from the USA. I first got it probably before you were born.

Have had simulator time in B747 and P51.

Edit: this link might be of interest but alas it’s devoid of colorful pictures.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS

zicoraads:

I totally get.

I also lost someone who was not a personal friend, but a mentor of some sorts. Prof Adesanmi.

It was bad before that plane crash. After him, it's worse.

Same person. Pius was a good friend. I still occasionally look at the messages we exchanged on my phone. Yet to get over it.

EgunMogaji2:


I hold a Private Pilots License from the USA. I first got it probably before you were born.

Have had simulator time in B747 and P51.

Edit: this link might be of interest but alas it’s devoid of colorful pictures.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS

This is not fair na? Where on the market is he supposed to find ointment for that burn?

Reference:


I remember the incident quite well and then I attributed it to pilot error because he flew with one engine for 'quite a while' before the second engine failed. My question then and I say so now is that:

Yes, a twin engined or even four engined aircraft can fly and land safely with one engine operating but, BUT only if the pilot knows exactly what caused the engine to fail ...or lose thrust. And I wil say to pilots. If you donot know what caused the engine to fail then declare an immediate emergency and put the bird down asap.

He had Akure, Ibadan airports to do that bit for some reason decided to continue on to Lagos which proved a bridge too far. Pilots flying in Nigeria should be conversant with ALL airports and airfield along their corridors/airways be they operational or not. It could jùst be a life saver.

If for instance you have a fuel flow (blockage), fuel contamination (popular in the 90's in Nigeria), fuel pump failure (electrical) and one engine goes out as a result, you have no engies because it is just a matter of time before the other(s) die. It will not matter whether the aircraft can fly with one engine or not. The key is: what caused the engine failure.

If I am a pilot I will not hang around to find out or continue stupidly to my destination, company image or not.

Most plane crashes in Nigeria were a result of pilot and management error. Bellview was very avoidable too.

Jarus:


Same person. Pius was a good friend. I still occasionally look at the messages we exchanged on my phone. Yet to get over it.

I was almost certain we were talking about the same man.

Prof was an enigma. He lived well, and his impact will continue to be felt for a very long time to come.

SarkinYarki:


He noticed that one of the engines was not thrusting properly when he left Abuja but ignored it because he had a flight to catch that evening to the US where he also had work to do so he risked it , yes one engine can complete a flight but it's very risky like he eventually learnt on that day .

chai......if only we can turn back the hand of time. That Dana sef they operated like oshodi under bridge park then. I dont know if they av changed now.