Okoroawusa:

Which Jonathan?... David's friend?

What was Jonathan minster of agriculture known for ?

Why was he the most popular minister ?

Okoroawusa:

Which Jonathan?... David's friend?

It must be a mythical Jonathan. A Jonathan with special powers that was able by magic to get 8 ton per hectare of rice, and we were all eating Nigerian rice.

mrvitalis:

What was Jonathan minster of agriculture known for ?

Why was he the most popular minister ?

Akinwunmi Adesina was popular for his fertiliser policy which greatly reduced corruption in fertiliser distribution to farmers and made it available.
No Jonathan minister increased rice yields per hectare.

wirinet:

Akinwunmi Adesina was popular for his fertiliser policy which greatly reduced corruption in fertiliser distribution to farmers and made it available.
No Jonathan minister increased rice yields per hectare.

You are not well ,we developed up to 10 breeds of rice ...the abakiliki version won award even as one of the most nutritious rice in world

When did u think anambra ,lake ,olam rice started

With the Williams guy that has 35 ,000 hectares ...I had interest to go into rice farming because of Jonathan
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thenationonlineng.net/jonathan-and-agricultural-reforms/amp/

Blue3k:


I have other threads on industrialization in general. Africa in general needs focus producing secondary goods for export. Primary goods dont command premium since cocoa is cocoa. Ghana and Ivory coast should worry about producing chocolate instead of price fixing cocoa. Doing that takes both countries out of commodity price boom bust cycle. The chocolate market is sweeter than cocoa market anyway.

Sure exporting raw product has never been a way forward for any developing country, Switzerland chocolate market is worth over 2 billion dollar and this is for a country that produce visually no amount of cocoa beans. I can imagine if this is going into Ghana Pulse, currently, chocolate market is worth over 160 billion dollar. meaning it is valuable as any other traditional product world wide. Ghana been the second largest cocoa producing country globally can really do better than Switzerland if mechanization is annexed

That being said , controlling the premium price is the right step in the good direction, Ghana and cote devoire produce more than 60 percent of the world cocoa beans therefore can't be given a peanut on what she has the lion share , she does need to fight for the local farmers. while accepting mechanization is the way forward for a successful cocoa industry, it must be emphasised that world leading cocoa producer must have a say into trade they do better than anyone . The farmer must be compensated handsomely.

The Nigerian government understands the need for more mechanized farming but they simply haven't done enough. I noticed the article did mention a few initiatives. The border will eventually reopen and we'll be back to discussing these issues at the end of the day.

Nigeria case is diffrent , protectionism is an anchor of Nigeria political policy, right from 1980s to 1990. and they are still doing it in 21st century creating emergency millionaire instead of high number of middle class. who was dangote in the 1990s and who is he now? .

Over 36 million naira debt owned by local rice farmers are still yet to be recovered, they have been complaining to both the CBN and presidency for the Goverment to padlock Nigeria border so that, they can enjoy Nigeria market all to themselves. And that is what goverment implement .

vaxx2:


While accepting mechanization is the way forward for a successful cocoa industry, it must be emphasised that world leading cocoa producer must have a say into trade they do better than anyone. The farmer must be compensated handsomely.

Over 36 million naira debt owned by local rice farmers are still yet to be recovered, they have been complaining to both the CBN and presidency for the Goverment to padlock Nigeria border so that, they can enjoy Nigeria market all to themselves. And that is what goverment implement .

Cartel behavior is just a different flavor of protectionism. If the short term plan is to be the opec of cocoa beans ok. The floor price isn't going to farmers much richer. From what I understand it just keeps them at livable wage. Farmers diversifying into other crops and chocolate industry growing around them will.

The world’s chocolate market is worth around $100 billion, of which only $6 billion go to cocoa producers.

Source

Oh the CBN debt is actually interesting to me. I still need to do FOIA about percentage of loans in default. The famers are working in their interest but they'll be at odds with other exporters. Benin and Niger will eventually comply with demands after that

Blue3k:

Cartel behavior is just a different flavor of protectionism. If the short term plan is to be the opec of cocoa beans ok. The floor price isn't going to farmers much richer. From what I understand it just keeps them at livable wage. Farmers diversifying into other crops and chocolate industry growing around them will.

mechanization toward cocoa production is the way forward, paying adequate wages base on what cocoa beans reflected per market force is also another important duty of the goverment to ensure commitment and stability of the buisness. Ghana has a seven years quest to increase cocoa beans production to 1.5 million tonnes per annum from its present 900, 000 tonnes. adding 400 dollars per tonnes to each farmer cocoa beans is a good motivation. while encouraging chocolate consumption by making the enviroment friendly for such buisness is one. Ghana is pumping 600 million dollar into cocoa production. 5 million dollar from it will go into school feeding . Ghana student must consume chocolate drink. 7.5 million from it is going for cocoa tourism ( sensitization of people on the health benefit of cocoa and promotion for the local consumption while 2.5 million dollar will also be allocated as campaign to enter Asia maket. this is captured in the cocoaboard memo. the goverment have already approved the 600 million dollar. we hope the policy works in the right direction.

Oh the CBN debt is actually interesting to me. I still need to do FOIA about percentage of loans in default. The famers are working in their interest but they'll be at odds with other exporters. Benin and Niger will eventually comply with demands after that

The funniest thing about Nigeria is , they are not talking about Education, they are not talking about employment and neither is anyone talking about technology, no one is even talking about roads, no one is talking about power. Nigerians are just shouting rice production, is that the only development Nigeria are clamouring for? If the commitment given to rice production can be given to education, unemployment, power. i surely belive Nigeria will change.

vaxx2:
mechanization toward cocoa production is the way forward, paying adequate wages base on what cocoa beans reflected per market force is also another important duty of the goverment to ensure commitment and stability of the buisness. Ghana has a seven years quest to increase cocoa beans production to 1.5 million tonnes per annum from its present 900, 000 tonnes. adding 400 dollars per tonnes to each farmer cocoa beans is a good motivation. while encouraging chocolate consumption by making the enviroment friendly for such business is one. Ghana is pumping 600 million dollar into cocoa production. 5 million dollar from it so go into school feeding. Ghana student must consume chocolate drink, 7.5. million from it is going for cocoa tourism ( sensitization of people on the health benefit of cocoa and promotion of the local consumption while 2.5 million dollar will also be allocated as campaign to enter Asia maket. this is captured in the cocoaboard memo. the goverment have already approved the 600 million dollar. we hope the policy works in the right direction.

The funniest thing about Nigeria is they are not talking about Education, they are talking about employment and neither is anyone talking about technology, no one is even talking about oads, no one is talking about power. Nigerians are just shouting rice production, is that the only development Nigeria are clamouring for?If the commitment given to rice production can be given to education, unemployment, power. i surely belive Nigeria will change.

I understand you like protectionism for your cocoa farmers. You can't steadly increase the supply of cocoa beans then become surprised when price dips down. Ghana been going into debt to subsidize cocoa industry. The same attention is given to the processing which you know.

Entering the asia market and advertising chocolate consumption domestically is cool. The US dairy industry probably loves the got milk campaign and fact milk always served in school.

Due to the extra free input provided by the government, sometimes supported by NGOs and multinational corporations, farmers have not become poorer in Ghana. But the approach has led to huge debt for COCOBOD. For example, COCOBOD incurred GHc2 billion (US$367 million) debt for subsidising the price of cocoa for the year 2017.

Source

Thus COCOBOD needs an international markets price of at least US$2,400 per to to break even. Even though the ongoing migration towards commercialization of service and input costs, the tightening of internal running costs, and firming up of international market prices are combining to reduce the resultant annual deficit, it is still projected at about GHc1 billion for 2019.

Source

Nigerians talk about all those things. It's just not the hot topic this second on nairaland. The UBEC and fact Nigerian government subsidies school lunches is shows that. The FG should be worrying about its universities. The states and local governments are ones that should be doing bulk of work.

Blue3k:


I understand you like protectionism for your cocoa farmers. You can't steadly increase the supply of cocoa beans then become surprised when price dips down. Ghana been going into debt to subsidize cocoa industry. The same attention is given to the processing which you know.

Entering the asia market and advertising chocolate consumption domestically is cool. The US dairy industry probably loves the got milk campaign and fact milk always served in school.




Nigerians talk about all those things. It's just not the hot topic this second on nairaland. The UBEC and fact Nigerian government subsidies school lunches is shows that. The FG should be worrying about its universities. The states and local governments are ones that should be doing bulk of work.

You use the word protectionism as if it is an obscenity.

What is wrong with it?

0monnak0da:


You use the word protectionism as if it is an obscenity.

What is wrong with it?

It causes goods to be expensive, can negatively effects other sectors of the economy and makes certain sectors uncompetitive. It's not an absolute good or evil. You just have to be careful about applying these policies.

Negative examples:
• Import ban on beef makes beef expensive for consumers.
• Domestic beef industry uncompetitive compared to foreign counterparts.
• Protectionism for cement industry makes home building more expensive in Nigeria.

Blue3k:


It causes goods to be expensive, can negatively effects other sectors of the economy and makes certain sectors uncompetitive. It's not an absolute good or evil. You just have to be careful about applying these policies.

Negative examples:
• Import ban on beef makes beef expensive for consumers.
• Domestic beef industry uncompetitive compared to foreign counterparts.
• Protectionism for cement industry makes home building more expensive in Nigeria.

You wrote like a school teacher. As easy as Abc

Blue3k:


It causes goods to be expensive, can negatively effects other sectors of the economy and makes certain sectors uncompetitive. It's not an absolute good or evil. You just have to be careful about applying these policies.

Negative examples:
• Import ban on beef makes beef expensive for consumers.
• Domestic beef industry uncompetitive compared to foreign counterparts.
• Protectionism for cement industry makes home building more expensive in Nigeria.

Everything in life has pros and cons, nothing is perfect.

Are there any of our trading partners that are not protectionist? When the US does "America First!¬ and sanctions nations left and right what do we call that? I could go on and on about America and G7 nations. Many people read a lot of theory without paying attention to what is really going on.
Protectionism takes other more aggressive but subtle forms such as subsidizing your farmers and thereby making your produce the most "competitive" and at the same time forcing poor countries to high interest rate regimes e,g in the EU they are talking negative interest rates whilst in Nigeria we have rates over 20%
How can Nigerian farmers ever compete without protectionism. The idea is that foreign companies should set up production in Nigeria. The country is too big to not have significant manufacturing capacity? This should create jobs to enable people buy what they produce
Without using crude techniques like border closure strong nations are able to domicile significant production in their countries while coming to Africa to cut down trees by the hundred and load them unprocessed unto containers for repatriation without permitting any value addition and thus exporting jobs without any plan for environmental replenishment and sustainability.

0monnak0da:

Everything in life has pros and cons, nothing is perfect.

Are there any of our trading partners that are not protectionist? When the US does "America First!¬ and sanctions nations left and right what do we call that? I could go on and on about America and G7 nations. Many people read a lot of theory without paying attention to what is really going on.
Protectionism takes other more aggressive but subtle forms such as subsidizing your farmers and thereby making your produce the most "competitive" and at the same time forcing poor countries to high interest rate regimes e,g in the EU they are talking negative interest rates whilst in Nigeria we have rates over 20%
How can Nigerian farmers ever compete without protectionism. The idea is that foreign companies should set up production in Nigeria. The country is too big to not have significant manufacturing capacity? This should create jobs to enable people buy what they produce
Without using crude techniques like border closure strong nations are able to domicile significant production in their countries while coming to Africa to cut down trees by the hundred and load them unprocessed unto containers for repatriation without permitting any value addition and thus exporting jobs without any plan for environmental replenishment and sustainability.

Sinple answer yes.

This who thread is about making farmers competitive. It can apply to any agricultural product. If you don't address production cost in Nigeria when it comed to power and tax rates and incentives you shouldn't expect manufacturing base to blossom. Being a large market alone doesn't cut it.

• You know export tariffs work if you want certain raw goods to be processed. (Wood example)

• Domestic agencies are supposed to regulate environment.

• Just because America does sanction doesn't mean its right. Trump also signed trade deal with Japan and USMCA to replace. NAFTA which hasn't been ratified by congress.

• the Eurozone going into negitive interests rate makes your debt more valuable. Nigeria has to get its inflation rate under control.

• Nigeria already has tariffs on certain goods that come in.

Blue3k:


Sinple answer yes.

This who thread is about making farmers competitive. It can apply to any agricultural product. If you don't address production cost in Nigeria when it comed to power and tax rates and incentives you shouldn't expect manufacturing base to blossom. Being a large market alone doesn't cut it.

• You know export tariffs work if you want certain raw goods to be processed. (Wood example)

• Domestic agencies are supposed to regulate environment.

• Just because America does sanction doesn't mean its right. Trump also signed trade deal with Japan and USMCA to replace. NAFTA which hasn't been ratified by congress.

• the Eurozone going into negitive interests rate makes your debt more valuable. Nigeria has to get its inflation rate under control.

• Nigeria already has tariffs on certain goods that come in.

I don't know where you got the notion that this thread is about being "competitive" or what the definition of competitive is.
Domestic agencies do not work in impoverished nations
I am not saying it is right or wrong. I don't see it as a question of right or wrong it is acting in one's best interest. That is what nations doing whilst spouting rhetoric about competitiveness.
To pretend that international trade is about competitiveness and fairness is foolish in the extreme.
A study of the locations of French and American military assets across Africa should tell you that competitiveness is a consequence of military might and alliance as well as not having powerful enemies
You say Nigeria has to get inflation under control which tells me you really do not understand what is going on. It will be impossible to control inflation without any local manufacturing
Why is Nigeria's inflation such a problem these days? It wasn't in the 70s.


Nigeria has relative to population negligible manufacturing capacity and high unemployment which means we have to import what we consume . When the exchange rate is accelerating then there would always be "imported" inflation . A good example of that would be seen in imported petrol and the cost change when the Naira was devalued from 2015/
Imported inflation is out of our control
The other thing is
Western nations used the IMF force Nigeria to liberalise the financial sector "so that capital could flow in".
The down side was they had to commit to allowing it to flow both ways which meant billions of dollars could flee the country in days as we saw in 2015. Most of the capital from the West is portfolio Money not money bringing in plants and machines. This sort of money is brought by Western businesses borrowing from their Central Banks at 0% and then bringing it to Nigeria to buy Treasury bills and other instruments in Nigeria at 13% .
As long as that regime is in place inflation can NEVER go away. In fact you can say that they are exporting inflation to us and importing jobs from us .
International trade favours the strong.
Having a big market does cut it if a nation is focussed. China has proven that

0monnak0da:

I don't know where you got the notion that this thread is about being "competitive" or what the definition of competitive is.
Domestic agencies do not work in impoverished nations
I am not saying it is right or wrong. I don't see it as a question of right or wrong it is acting in one's best interest. That is what nations doing whilst spouting rhetoric about competitiveness.
To pretend that international trade is about competitiveness and fairness is foolish in the extreme.
A study of the locations of French and American military assets across Africa should tell you that competitiveness is a consequence of military might and alliance as well as not having powerful enemies
You say Nigeria has to get inflation under control which tells me you really do not understand what is going on. It will be impossible to control inflation without any local manufacturing. Why is Nigeria's inflation such a problem these days? It wasn't in the 70s.


Nigeria has relative to population negligible manufacturing capacity and high unemployment which means we have to import what we consume . When the exchange rate is accelerating then there would always be "imported" inflation . A good example of that would be seen in imported petrol and the cost change when the Naira was devalued from 2015/
Imported inflation is out of our control
[b]The other thing is Western nations used the IMF force Nigeria to liberalise the financial sector "so that capital could flow in".
The down side was they had to commit to allowing it to flow both ways which meant billions of dollars could flee the country in days as we saw in 2015. Most of the capital from the West is portfolio Money not money bringing in plants and machines.[b] This sort of money is brought by Western businesses borrowing from their Central Banks at 0% and then bringing it to Nigeria to buy Treasury bills and other instruments in Nigeria at 13% .
As long as that regime is in place inflation can NEVER go away. In fact you can say that they are exporting inflation to us and importing jobs from us .
International trade favours the strong.
Having a big market does cut it if a nation is focussed. China has proven that

I get the notion about it being competitive because mechanization in agriculture is factor in that. There topic here applies to any agricultural product. It doesn't mean Nigeria has comparative advantage in everything but it does help. It about competitiveness do you subsidize industries that have no hope of success? There's a reason the world moved more towards free trade than protectionism.

America's military is powered by its economic might.

Inflation has always been an issue. The 70s weren't rosey like you want me to believe. I already addressed manufacturing. The naira is artificially high anyway. (Inflation chart below)

You seem bitter about IMF asking you liberalize economy to grow. It's weird for you demand FDI then get mad when foreigners when recoup their capital. You know it after 2014 when FDI shrunk. You'll just have to settle portfolio investments until foreigners want invest. If Ghana can get Toyota to build assembly plant its not impossible for Nigeria.

There's plenty of small nations that do well. A strong robust economy is matter of policies. China didn't get to where it at without foreigners investing in the free trade zones in the 70's.

IF and when our steel companies roll back to life, there would have to be a check on Chinese cheap steel.
Africa has always had a reputation for being the dumping ground of the world.
While the border closure is killing an ant with a sledgehammer, its up to Nigerian entrepreneurs to make the best of it.
Since you have identified a cash cow (mechanization) its up to the citizens to key in on that, if u have collateral you can start immediately.
If your borders were porous like Nigeria, Toyota would be scared to set up multi million $ plant in Ghana, since 2nd hand Toyotas would be everywhere.
If war breaks out, Ghana would be one of the first countries to starve. Importing food just reeks of stupidity.
Saudi Arabia is buying up farmlands in Ethiopia. They wish they had what we have

Blue3k:


I get the notion about it being competitive because mechanization in agriculture is factor in that. There topic here applies to any agricultural product. It doesn't mean Nigeria has comparative advantage in everything but it does help. It about competitiveness do you subsidize industries that have no hope of success? There's a reason the world moved more towards free trade than protectionism.

America's military is powered by its economic might.

Inflation has always been an issue. The 70s weren't rosey like you want me to believe. I already addressed manufacturing. The naira is artificially high anyway. (Inflation chart below)

You seem bitter about IMF asking you liberalize economy to grow. It's weird for you demand FDI then get mad when foreigners when recoup their capital. You know it after 2014 when FDI shrunk. You'll just have to settle portfolio investments until foreigners want invest. If Ghana can get Toyota to build assembly plant its not impossible for Nigeria.

There's plenty of small nations that do well. A strong robust economy is matter of policies. China didn't get to where it at without foreigners investing in the free trade zones in the 70's.

Blue3k:

I understand you like protectionism for your cocoa farmers. You can't steadly increase the supply of cocoa beans then become surprised when price dips down. Ghana been going into debt to subsidize cocoa industry. The same attention is given to the processing which you know.

That is if you are looking at it from Political perspective, it is rather a business strategy government adopt to maintain a standard. for example, manufacturer like Apple does two things: they can set the price they sell to their resellers (there is nothing illegal about that), and they can suggest a retail price (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) for also the retailers.The reasons you see Apple phones selling for the same price everywhere. it is a regulated buisness.and about market force. and in cocoa beans, there is always preferences.
Ghana has established herself as a quality producer and world known chocolate have identify themselves with Ghana beans to demonsrate the quality of their brand.

Regarding Debt

Ghana goverment introduce New policy by commercializing the subsidy. it is letting private sector service in . The private sector are one providing incentive to farmers at a commercial rates instead of goverment earning all the burden without compensation. There's integrated database that monitor the flowing of supplier to consumer by the state institution ( cocoaboard) the aim is to seek service and input suppliers willing to provide their goods and services to farmers on profit and have the costs deducted from the farmers at sales time and forwarded to the suppliers. I think this is better idea than subsiding it directly from the goverment.

Entering the asia market and advertising chocolate consumption domestically is cool. The US dairy industry probably loves the got milk campaign and fact milk always served in school.

There have been a lot of domestic and aggressive campaign toward Ghana cocoa this year. recently, the country representative was in China marketing the product and plus the brain development benefit of taking chocolate, it is prudent for Ghana to introduce what she has in bulk for the benefit of her populace .

Nigerians talk about all those things. It's just not the hot topic this second on nairaland. The UBEC and fact Nigerian government subsidies school lunches is shows that. The FG should be worrying about its universities. The states and local governments are ones that should be doing bulk of work.

Nigeria does talk true but not very aggressively like the commitment channel toward the rice production. it is even a shame when you realised a country as diversed as Nigeria has millions of her children out of school, how do you set a standard from there? Ghana is feeding her wards, providing free boarding fercility and a completely free education up to secondary school. when you look at it holistically, Nigeria has done very poor at the primary level. university standard is another issue.

Blue3k:


I get the notion about it being competitive because mechanization in agriculture is factor in that. There topic here applies to any agricultural product. It doesn't mean Nigeria has comparative advantage in everything but it does help. It about competitiveness do you subsidize industries that have no hope of success? There's a reason the world moved more towards free trade than protectionism.

America's military is powered by its economic might.

Inflation has always been an issue. The 70s weren't rosey like you want me to believe. I already addressed manufacturing. The naira is artificially high anyway. (Inflation chart below)

You seem bitter about IMF asking you liberalize economy to grow. It's weird for you demand FDI then get mad when foreigners when recoup their capital. You know it after 2014 when FDI shrunk. You'll just have to settle portfolio investments until foreigners want invest. If Ghana can get Toyota to build assembly plant its not impossible for Nigeria.

There's plenty of small nations that do well. A strong robust economy is matter of policies. China didn't get to where it at without foreigners investing in the free trade zones in the 70's.

When did the world move toward Free trade?
That is a delusion.
Who defines Free Trade and makes the rules?
We are talking about agriculture yes and a simple Google search will reveal the billions of dollars used by the EU, USA and China to subsidize their farmers. So we could argue agriculture has "No hope of success" as you put it in those countries without subsidies
"Free trade" is a good slogan when you are winning when you are not the story changes as we see now with the US and China.
In 1898 China lost Hong Kong to the UK because they refused to let their people buy and smoke British opium.
The British turned up in China with their gunboats and China was forced to cede Hong Kong for 99 years. In a similar vein the Europeans decided to colonize Africa because we did not allow Free Trade.That same formula works today just like it did 100 years ago
.As Fela said "my brother make you no follow book look am and go your way"
Free Trade is not a virtue it is a slogan used by rich nations to further their interests

Please be honest and stop misrepresenting me
The Naira was very stable in the 70s and we never had double digit inflation. I never said 70s were "rosey".
Fact is in the 70s we did not need IMF money and IMF never imposed conditions on us
because we did not owe them. The IMF as a lender is a lender to those who have bad credit worthiness.
I suggest you read Steigliz's book on inequality.
There are very few if any countries that have done well following IMF policies.
The issue is not liberalization of economy but of the financial sector
America's military is powered by more than its economic might. According to your logic how come Russia is the number two military when it is not even in the top 7 economies. Why is Saudi not a great military.
The reality is the US won the World War 2 and since then the dollar became the World reserve currency.
Nigerians going to China had to buy dollars when their business had nothing to do with US. India buying Nigerian oil had to buy dollars.
This has meant for decades that capital is domiciled in US banks and the US effectively enjoys arbitrage on most of the trading going on in the world.
Now countries are waking up to that.
The US using its military and economic might engineers a world trade order that is in its best interest. That is normal behaviour. What is strange is when folk like you are deluded into believing that the World Trade is Free Trade.

If you really believe all the rhetoric about Free Trade then you are still a learner.
There is nothing like Free trade . What you have is a World order dominated by America and the EU and other countries who obey can participate. If you do not obey they destroy your economy .
This we have seen in Iran, Venezuela, Sudan Zimbabwe etc
There is always a reason for excluding some sectors from free trade e.g security and this is reinforced by Western notions and philosophy on so called intellectual property.


Free trade indeed and virtually all the major internet businesses are American. All commodities are priced in US dollars
When Huawei appears set for phenomenal growth the US government steps in and tries to kill it
There is no free trade in military secrets/equipment and other technologies that allow some countries to dominate others
Even in food many farmers in the EU and US are not competitive if they opened their markets
America can wake up one day and say if you trade with Iran we sanction you?

As far as agriculture is concerned . There is nothing like free trade. Countries have and cite food production as more than economics but a matter of national security

StaffofOrayan:
IF and when our steel companies roll back to life, there would have to be a check on Chinese cheap steel.
Africa has always had a reputation for being the dumping ground of the world.
While the border closure is killing an ant with a sledgehammer, its up to Nigerian entrepreneurs to make the best of it.
Since you have identified a cash cow (mechanization) its up to the citizens to key in on that, if u have collateral you can start immediately.
If your borders were porous like Nigeria, Toyota would be scared to set up multi million $ plant in Ghana, since 2nd hand Toyotas would be everywhere.
If war breaks out, Ghana would be one of the first countries to starve. Importing food just reeks of stupidity.
Saudi Arabia is buying up farmlands in Ethiopia. They wish they had what we have

this one thinks Ghana is as useless as his country Nigeria


Ghana produce at least 80% of what ever we consume
so Ghana is good.
we dont need to close the border to be able to increase production.

We increased our rice production from 0 to 800,000 metric tonnes in just 4 years.
that is 80% of all rice consumed in Ghana.

The Deputy Minister of Trade and Industry, Robert Ahomka Lindsay has disclosed that Ghana imported rice worth $1.1 billion in 2017. According to him, rice importation “takes 82% of all imports into the country”.Nov 9 2018.

Ghana actually needs the OP's advise more than Nigeria. You can keep living in a fools paradise, but West Africa needs to get its act together.

Once again if war breaks out, Ghana would be one of the first countries to become an IDP.

Just30:


this one thinks Ghana is as useless as his country Nigeria


Ghana produce at least 80% of what ever we consume
so Ghana is good.
we dont need to close the border to be able to increase production.

We increased our rice production from 0 to 800,000 metric tonnes in just 4 years.
that is 80% of all rice consumed in Ghana.

0monnak0da:

When did the world move toward Free trade?
That is a delusion.
Who defines Free Trade and makes the rules?
We are talking about agriculture yes and a simple Google search will reveal the billions of dollars used by the EU, USA and China to subsidize their farmers. So we could argue agriculture has "No hope of success" as you put it in those countries without subsidies
"Free trade" is a good slogan when you are winning when you are not the story changes as we see now with the US and China.
In 1898 China lost Hong Kong to the UK because they refused to let their people buy and smoke British opium.
The British turned up in China with their gunboats and China was forced to cede Hong Kong for 99 years. In a similar vein the Europeans decided to colonize Africa because we did not allow Free Trade.That same formula works today just like it did 100 years ago
.As Fela said "my brother make you no follow book look am and go your way"
Free Trade is not a virtue it is a slogan used by rich nations to further their interests

Please be honest and stop misrepresenting me
The Naira was very stable in the 70s and we never had double digit inflation. I never said 70s were "rosey".
Fact is in the 70s we did not need IMF money and IMF never imposed conditions on us
because we did not owe them. The IMF as a lender is a lender to those who have bad credit worthiness.
I suggest you read Steigliz's book on inequality.
There are very few if any countries that have done well following IMF policies.
The issue is not liberalization of economy but of the financial sector
America's military is powered by more than its economic might. According to your logic how come Russia is the number two military when it is not even in the top 7 economies. Why is Saudi not a great military.
The reality is the US won the World War 2 and since then the dollar became the World reserve currency.
Nigerians going to China had to buy dollars when their business had nothing to do with US. India buying Nigerian oil had to buy dollars.
This has meant for decades that capital is domiciled in US banks and the US effectively enjoys arbitrage on most of the trading going on in the world.
Now countries are waking up to that.
The US using its military and economic might engineers a world trade order that is in its best interest. That is normal behaviour. What is strange is when folk like you are deluded into believing that the World Trade is Free Trade.

If you really believe all the rhetoric about Free Trade then you are still a learner.
There is nothing like Free trade . What you have is a World order dominated by America and the EU and other countries who obey can participate. If you do not obey they destroy your economy .
This we have seen in Iran, Venezuela, Sudan Zimbabwe etc
There is always a reason for excluding some sectors from free trade e.g security and this is reinforced by Western notions and philosophy on so called intellectual property.


Free trade indeed and virtually all the major internet businesses are American. All commodities are priced in US dollars
When Huawei appears set for phenomenal growth the US government steps in and tries to kill it
There is no free trade in military secrets/equipment and other technologies that allow some countries to dominate others
Even in food many farmers in the EU and US are not competitive if they opened their markets
America can wake up one day and say if you trade with Iran we sanction you?

As far as agriculture is concerned . There is nothing like free trade. Countries have and cite food production as more than economics but a matter of national security

Make your comments more concise.

You're asking when did the world move towards more free trade when you're alive to see ECOWAS, WTO, and EU? We already agreed it's not an absolute. Compare the world to 50 years ago.

The USA trying to renegotiate trade deals with China. China engages in intellectual property theft and breaks WTO rules. These are some of reason for disputes.

Military might is powererd by economic might. That's always been a fact all through history. Russia remains one of the top militaries because they spend alot compared to neighbors. They retained some streghth from their Soviet union days. The also have have a few geographic advantages that make them powerful.

It's weird how 3rd world nations always want a system that doesn't work. Most of the countries mentioned already had bad domestic policy that limited economy. The other issue is sanctions but sanctions don't kill economy's.

I already gave you consumer inflation chart from world bank/imf source. If you disagree present one from Nigeria.

Blue3k:


Make your comments more concise.

You're asking when did the world move towards more free trade when you're alive to see ECOWAS, WTO, and EU? We already agreed it's not an absolute. Compare the world to 50 years ago.

The USA trying to renegotiate trade deals with China. China engages in intellectual property theft and breaks WTO rules. These are some of reason for disputes.

Military might is powererd by economic might. That's always been a fact all through history. Russia remains one of the top militaries because they spend alot compared to neighbors. They retained some streghth from their Soviet union days. The also have have a few geographic advantages that make them powerful.

It's weird how 3rd world nations always want a system that doesn't work. Most of the countries mentioned already had bad domestic policy that limited economy. The other issue is sanctions but sanctions don't kill economy's.

I already gave you consumer inflation chart from world bank/imf source. If you disagree present one from Nigeria.

Make your comments more intelligible

Military might and economic might do not follow any set pattern in history that allow for the kind of assertion you are making. We have seen countless permutations
Russia is far from the number 2 economy.
The richest countries in the Middle East are not the strongest. In fact they are clients of the US whom they pay and have always paid to defend them.
Israel one of the strongest is far from the richest in the region. In 1973 when Israel defeated the Arabs its economy was nothing to shout about
Spare us the opinionated assertions and stick to "RICE" and the Free Trade.
I do not think you have a vision in your mind when you talk of Free Trade if you are talking of WTO. This is the barest minimum of an internationally agreed level of Tariffs. In reality countries trade anywhere in a wide spectrum between WTO tariff regimes or zero tariff regimes such as exist in the EU. Even if trade is "Free" it must be measured with systems in place for inspection,verification and revenue collection.
Once you have a world order in which different nations or groupings of nations offer one another preferential terms then the market is distorted and there is nothing free about the whole system just like if some traders can buy dollars at CBN rate and other have to go to the black market. In such a regime there is no free trade

The EU Custom Union.
The Custom Union implies that participants have input,oversight and confidence in the professionalism and integrity of the Customs arrangement in partner countries. Many Nigerians in the UK like to bleach and import creams that are banned from Cameroon to the UK .If they find another EU country is easier for bringing in these creams they would import to that country because once in that country they are in the EU.
In the case of the Rice situation a lot of the duty collected in Benin on rice would have been remitted to a partner country if it was the EU. We do not have such agreements in ECOWAS

Nigerian Customs should be allowed an office in the port at Benin. If the Rice imported was destined for Nigeria then it must be clear and transparent and the duty should accrue to Nigeria while Benin charges for use of the ports.


I have seen British officials at the Eurotunnel check in in Belgium and France. There is that level of cooperation between EU countries
We do not have such confidence in the ECOWAS region and we should . Our borders are just too long to leave unmanned and going forward we need to move our soldiers out of the towns to the border areas to block illegal movement and smuggling

0monnak0da:

Make your comments more intelligible

Military might and economic might do not follow any set pattern in history that allow for the kind of assertion you are making. We have seen countless permutations
Russia is far from the number 2 economy.
The richest countries in the Middle East are not the strongest. In fact they are clients of the US whom they pay and have always paid to defend them.
Israel one of the strongest is far from the richest in the region. In 1973 when Israel defeated the Arabs its economy was nothing to shout about
Spare us the opinionated assertions and stick to "RICE" and the Free Trade.
I do not think you have a vision in your mind when you talk of Free Trade if you are talking of WTO. This is the barest minimum of an internationally agreed level of Tariffs. In reality countries trade anywhere in a wide spectrum between WTO tariff regimes or zero tariff regimes such as exist in the EU. Even if trade is "Free" it must be measured with systems in place for inspection,verification and revenue collection.
Once you have a world order in which different nations or groupings of nations offer one another preferential terms then the market is distorted and there is nothing free about the whole system just like if some traders can buy dollars at CBN rate and other have to go to the black market. In such a regime there is no free trade

The EU Custom Union.
The Custom Union implies that participants have input,oversight and confidence in the professionalism and integrity of the Customs arrangement in partner countries. Many Nigerians in the UK like to bleach and import creams that are banned from Cameroon to the UK .If they find another EU country is easier for bringing in these creams they would import to that country because once in that country they are in the EU.
In the case of the Rice situation a lot of the duty collected in Benin on rice would have been remitted to a partner country if it was the EU. We do not have such agreements in ECOWAS

Nigerian Customs should be allowed an office in the port at Benin. If the Rice imported was destined for Nigeria then it must be clear and transparent and the duty should acrue to Nigeria while Benin charges for use of the ports.


I have seen British officials at the Eurotunnel check in in Belgium and France. There is that level of cooperation between EU countries
We do not have such confidence in the ECOWAS region and we should . Our borders are just too long to leave unmanned and going forward we need to move our soldiers out of the towns to the border areas to bloc

Lol I guess you just can't help being long winded oh well. If there's parts of my comment you font understand just highlight it.

You don't know the top militaries also have strong economies that support them. Its takes money to fund you military and R&. Russia spend 3rd most on military. There's other factors to military strength definitely but like geography, Experience and man power but economic might is big factor. That's why Saudis cant buy a good military and struggle tobest Yemen.

Your points doesn't negate the fact trade is free today than in the past. Its like saying you don't free market because its not completely laissez-faire. You measure thing on scale not on religious absolutes.

Blue3k:


Lol I guess you just can't help being long winded oh well. If there's parts of my comment you font understand just highlight it.

You don't know the top militaries also have strong economies that support them. Its takes money to fund you military and R&. Russia spend 3rd most on military. There's other factors to military strength definitely but like geography, Experience and man power but economic might is big factor. That's why Saudis cant buy a good military and struggle tobest Yemen.

Your points doesn't negate the fact trade is free today than in the past. Its like saying you don't free market because its not completely laissez-faire. You measure thing on scale not on religious absolutes.

Hahaha.
You cannot help talking off point.
This thread is not about military and you take the time to highlight military spend. How much data does that consume. That is not long winded.?

If you want to discuss the relationship between economics and military might start a thread the fact is it is not a direct function of military spending. There are so many other factors involved
We cannot talk of trade being more or less "free" without defining what "free" means otherwise each time you cough up a new assertion you just shift the goal post. I honestly do not know what you mean by free before you can say it is freer than it has ever been.
There certainly is MORE trade than there has ever been. I would argue that it is LESS free than it has ever been
By free do you mean the existence of the WTO, or are you talking about its effectiveness or the degree of compliance of members?
I can see you have swallowed a lot of western dogma without really thinking things through.
Does Africa benefit from trading with stronger countries Is the trade free?
We hear multimillion even billion dollar fines against multinationals in the US sometimes even for things they did in Nigeria like with Halliburton e.g
How much did we fine Pfizer for poisoning our people in Kano
How much have we dared fine any multinational for polluting our environment or for the numerous corrupt practices . Who paid a dime for the Halliburton scandal
The truth is that we dare not. Governments have been overthrown for less.
What is happening in Venezuela today is the other side of FREE TRADE
Now the American oil companies are cleaning up in Iraq and Libya
They can do the same to us very easily considering the level of discontent.
What are they doing in Niger Republic.??

0monnak0da:


Hahaha.
You cannot help talking off point.
This thread is not about military and you take the time to highlight military spend. How much data does that consume. That is not long winded.

If you want to discuss the relationship between economics and might start a thread the fact is not a direct function of military spending. There are so many other factors involved
We cannot talk of trade being more or less "free" without defining what "free" means otherwise each time you cough up a new assertion you just shift the goal post. I honestly do not know what you mean by free before you can say it is freer than it has ever been.
There certainly is MORE trade than there has ever been. I would argue that it is LESS free than it has ever been
By free do you mean the existence of the WTO, or are you talking about its effectiveness or the degree of compliance of members?
I can see you have swallowed a lot of western dogma without really thinking things through.
Does Africa benefit from trading with stronger countries Is the trade free?
We hear multimillion even billion dollar fines against multinationals in the US sometimes even for things they did in Nigeria like with Halliburton e.g
How much did we fine Pfizer for poisoning our people in Kano
How much have we dared fine any multinational for polluting our environment or for the numerous corrupt practices . Who paid a dime for the Halliburton scandal
The truth is that we dare not. Governments have been overthrown for less.
What is happening in Venezuela today is the other side of FREE TRADE
Now the American oil companies are cleaning up in Iraq and Libya
They can do the same to us very easily considering the level of discontent.
What are they doing in Niger Republic.??

You brought up military topic points first. Did you not want me to respond to it? Take your own advice about starting new thread. Lol the funniest part is you're still talking off topic subject's yourself. I guess you cant help yourself.

Africa benefits from trade with stronger nations. Nigeria has options to trade more with poor neighbors but intra African trade still below 10 percent.

Free trade is the moving goods and services with little no restrictions or trade barriers. I think the existence of WTO good in general. It does help facilitate trade amongst nations. I'll just have disagree with trae being less free than its ever been.

You already said impovished governments dont enforce rules. If that's case accept your lumps until you're ready to regulate.

Blue3k:


You brought up military topic points first. Did you not want me to respond to it? Take your own advice about starting new thread. Lol the funniest part is you're still talking off topic subject's yourself. I guess you cant help yourself.

Africa benefits from trade from stronger nations. Nigeria has options to grade more with poor neighbors but intra African trade still below 10 percent.

Free trade is the moving goods and services with little no restrictions or trade barriers. I think the existence of WTO good in general. It does help facilitate trade amongst nations. I'll just have disagree with trae being less free than its ever been.

You already said impovished governments dont enforce rules. If that's case accept your lumps until you're ready to regulate.

The dude you are arguing with seems like a nutjob.If he has his way he would turn Nigeria to North Korea.

StaffofOrayan:
The Deputy Minister of Trade and Industry, Robert Ahomka Lindsay has disclosed that Ghana imported rice worth $1.1 billion in 2017. According to him, rice importation “takes 82% of all imports into the country”.Nov 9 2018.

Ghana actually needs the OP's advise more than Nigeria. You can keep living in a fools paradise, but West Africa needs to get its act together.

Once again if war breaks out, Ghana would be one of the first countries to become an IDP.

You have to understand how Ghana market work.... for example the production of cement in Ghana far exceed its consumption rate yet goverment still allow importation . this has been very good for the economy as it force cement price to be well at lower price., Also in the textile industry, Ghana has gotten enough satisfy production ratio, it can even banned importantion in that sector as it is self sufficient yet it encourage importation. this has force competition for better quality and value for money.

Ghana has improve on its rice production and there is intensive plan to improve on it, there is even a measure to banned it in the next three years as the future plan to grow more works. but Ghana that I know will not banned rice but rather limit the importation rate. competition is good for every economy.

Go check food sufficiency report. Ghana is more sufficient in food production than most country in west africa including Nigeria.

urahara:


The dude you are arguing with seems like a nutjob.If he has his way he would turn Nigeria to North Korea.

If these guys feel so strongly about IMF and foreign powers they should reject foreign aid and loans. That's the real dependency people should worry about. Who everypays the piper calls the tune. Trade and investment is a good thing.

Blue3k:


You brought up military topic points first. Did you not want me to respond to it? Take your own advice about starting new thread. Lol the funniest part is you're still talking off topic subject's yourself. I guess you cant help yourself.

Africa benefits from trade with stronger nations. Nigeria has options to trade more with poor neighbors but intra African trade still below 10 percent.

Free trade is the moving goods and services with little no restrictions or trade barriers. I think the existence of WTO good in general. It does help facilitate trade amongst nations. I'll just have disagree with trae being less free than its ever been.

You already said impovished governments dont enforce rules. If that's case accept your lumps until you're ready to regulate.

What exactly is your point?
I mentioned the role of military in enforcing economic interests and you asserted that military might is determined by economic power essentially.
I have brought in examples to discredit your warped assertion. That is done and dusted
Instead of accepting that you are wrong you
are rambling?
Individually Germany,UK France and Italy are wealthier than Russia. Without US backup all of them combined would struggle in a conflict against Russia. Saudi Arabia with all its spending cannot defend itself. If you want to debate that then create a thread
Here we are discussing the role of border closure in enforcing our interests? In America they are talking of building a wall so what is the big deal.
Everyone is engaged in protectionism so stop this delusion that protectionism is something vulgar or obscene.
Protectionism is an excellent tool in the hands of those who know how to use it
The conflict between The US and the EU , or with China is all about that.
The US took the EU to tribunal recently which tells us everyone cheats on WTO rules and there is little the WTO can do.ultimately it comes down to what power the aggrieved party has.
The US has the power to tell countries do not trade with Iran or else...

Blue3k:


If these guys feel so strongly about IMF and foreign powers they should reject foreign aid and loans. That's the real dependency people should worry about. Who everypays the piper calls the tune. Trade and investment is a good thing.

I swear and they forget that IMF structural adjustment policies is helping Egypt right now.

0monnak0da:


What exactly is your point?
I mentioned the role of military in enforcing economic interests and you asserted that military might is determined by economic power essentially.
I have brought in examples to discredit your warped assertion. That is done and dusted
Instead of accepting that you are wrong your are rambling?
Individually Germany,UK France and Italy are wealthier than Russia. Without US backup all of them combined would struggle in a conflict against Russia. Saudi Arabia with all its spending cannot defend itself. If you want to debate that then create a thread
Here we are discussing the role of border closure in enforcing our interests? In America they are talking of building a wall so what is the big deal.
Everyone is engaged in protectionism so stop this delusion that protectionism is something vulgar or obscene.
Protectionism is an excellent tool in the hands of those who know how to use it
The conflict between The US and the EU , or with China is all about that.
The US took the EU to tribunal recently which tells us everyone cheats on WTO rules and there is little the WTO can do.ultimately it comes down to what power the aggrieved party has.
The US has the power to tell countries do not trade with Iran or else...

A study of the locations of French and American military assets across Africa should tell you that competitiveness is a consequence of military might and alliance as well as not having powerful enemies

My point is dont be a weird. You can't bring up the subject the get your knickers in twist when I respond to point. You said their economic competitiveness is based on military. I said its the opposite. China overtook US and France.

You create the thread since you keep bringing it up. Lol you really can't help yourself. Lol I showed u the chart showing how economic might and spending roughly correlate. Its just like how you tried to deny inflation rate in 70s. The millitary of world were also had strong economies backing them. There's no debating that.

USA created the wall to stop illegal immigration not to stop trade. Goods and services still move back and forth. You doing apples and oranges comparison.

The USA follows wto rules. Sanctions are predicated on treaties and economic might. The USA cant go war with all those nations.

StaffofOrayan:
The Deputy Minister of Trade and Industry, Robert Ahomka Lindsay has disclosed that Ghana imported rice worth $1.1 billion in 2017. According to him, rice importation “takes 82% of all imports into the country”.Nov 9 2018.

Ghana actually needs the OP's advise more than Nigeria. You can keep living in a fools paradise, but West Africa needs to get its act together.

Once again if war breaks out, Ghana would be one of the first countries to become an IDP.

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The reduction of rice importation the growth and consumption of local rice
The reduction of rice importation the growth and consumption of local rice
The Ministry of Agriculture says plans are in place to reduce the importation of rice by at least 50 percent this year.

This is to enhance the growth and consumption of local rice in Ghana.

Currently, Ghana imports 331 million dollars of rice annually, a development stakeholders have described as worrying.

Speaking to Citi Business News Deputy Minister of Agriculture, George Oduro said measures such as the ‘planting for food and jobs’ as well as the newly introduced Irrigation land facility system should help reduce the importation of rice by half.

“This year alone, our target to stop the importation of rice by 50 percent, maybe we can achieve that or more.” He said.

He also added that the importation of tomatoes is equally being looked at to reduce it soon.

“Then tomatoes too, we are trying by the end of this year to stop the importation of tomatoes and if possible export.”

He, however called for a collaborative effort to achieve this feat.

“We are putting measures to stop these importation of these food items because the possibility of us producing them here is there, we can. But only if we come together to show the interest. That is the only way we can solve this problem.” He added


Ghana rice import has never been 1billion dollars