At some point I have been guilty of some points listed below but we all learn everyday.

The first and second wave of feminism focused on political, economic rights but the third wave places emphasis on societal rights. This is where the problem lies. Its easier to pass bills and adjust constitution in order to promote equality but can you influence someone consciousness, beliefs,norms?
Now people are different, different preferences,different perspectives,religion,environment, ethnicity et al influences our subconscious. Very few people are able to reason for themselves, very few people are able to dump the shackles of stereotypes,we can't force them to (except they engage in acts that are not within the confines of the law).
Some feminist now deviate from attaining gender equality to trying to change peoples individual beliefs or norms. If a lady beliefs she should act in a way or not,you don't have to start encouraging her to do otherwise as a way of making her equal to the man. Some ladies love domestic chores, it's their way of showing their love for a man, you don't have to start bugging her to stop it and telling her she is been exploited.
I have seen feminists telling virgins "you are keeping yourself for a man,is he keeping himself for you?" Encouraging ladies to dump their personal values in other to be equal to him. You can be equal to him by being yourself.
Feminism is not a competition but to earn equality, you must not copy men to be equal with men.

I personally drink,and club,I have "good girls" as friends, I don't have to be telling them to be like me . I don't have to tell them to dump the path they have chosen.
Feminism has ruined some marriages by telling wives what to do. The either of cheating in marriage is not frowned upon because its a betrayal of trust but it is frowned upon nowadays because "if its a woman cheating will he tolerate it?" I will walk away from a cheating spouse because he betrayed my trust, not because someone gingered me saying ", he is doing it because he is a man bla bla bla" . some feminists even advice ladies to cheat as revenge,to show they have rights to cheat as well.
If a lady tells me her spouse is cheating I just ask her a question,"do you want to divorce him or make him change?"
I don't have to call her a weakling for staying. Some people value their marriage and will do everything to keep it(well not me).
I can only advice a lady to leave if domestic violence is involved which obviously poses a threat to her life or if he has STDs and can affect her. Aside these cases I can't tell her what to do. Some feminists do things not because its their choice but a way of showing men they can also do what they do.

Another problem with some feminist is the quest to change men views of them. So people can't unlearn their stereotypes, imagine being fed with the stereotype that women are supposed to be this or that,instead of being yourself you try to make men appreciate you for being you. Not everyone will accept you,not every man appreciate your choices,stay away from them and keep doing your own thing instead of engaging in futile arguments with them or how to see you. Feminism is a fight for equality and not a fight for acceptance/appreciation of equality by men . some men believe all ladies should be virgins till their marriage, its futile trying to fighting to stop them from viewing you as a hoe if you think otherwise,rather have sex if you wish and ignore them,except off course they bully or oppress you for your choice.

Instead of doing the things they want, they complain men are viewing them as "bad" and judging them. Keep doing what you wish,and leave any man to his own thinking as long he doesn't oppress or silence you. If you love to drink for example, do drink ,if I man says a lady should not drink,still drink and there is no need engaging in campaigns or e wars crying foul, except off course he oppresses you for your choice.

Lastly,I see more "talkers" than "doers". I see much blaming,complaining than taking steps. Most pages of feminists I see are always talking of men! Men! Men! Men! The attention they give men is feeding their ego,most discussions of feminism is centered on men,what is the obsession with " men-talk"?
Is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. it all ends in nagging online,nothing is done offline. They are places where female genital mutilation is been practised, its more noble to push for laws that will prohibit it,than the online noise some feminists make which yield nothing.
If you want to participate in politics go and pursue it,it is when you are opposed you should start complaining,first make the move.

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Based on the comments of this thread I wanna clarify something, I am not saying ladies should retain or not retain their personal values all I am saying is that don't pressure them to dump their feminity,its their choice,if they want to dump it,fine! If they don't want to,fine! The main objective is not to alter their nature,but promote equality... Their choice to retain their nature is their decision to make....

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True, feminism was primarily focused on political and economic rights. Which was more or less easier to achieve with the implementation of laws, acknowledging womens right. Female societal rights, however, is a totally different ball game. Because as you put it, we all have our individual beliefs (influenced by experience and the environment we find ourselves).
The truth, is that in terms of romantic relationships, feminism doesnt have a set rules we have to abide by. We all interprete love in different ways, and act according. It would be ridiculous for me to force you to act the way i want you to. If a feminist prefers to be a fulltime house wife, that her choice which she's entitled to.
Advocating gender equality is a way of life, not some movement that has to gain general acceptance. Keep fighting and avoid futile arguments.
Feminist, esp in Nigeria, are all mouth and no action. The take to social media platforms, not to talk on female genital mutilation, girl child education etc, but talk down..

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Down on every male.
Feminism is way broader than most people think. Its concern is creating a society where a woman and her opinions are considered also. Where she gets equal oppurtunites to excel. Not 'if your husband cheats, cheat back to retaliate', or 'dont do any domestic chores at home'.
I have male friends, most who wouldnt tolerate hearing sh!t about feminism. When ever we get together, i avoid the topic. I dont scream in their ears, that women and men have equal rights. Cause i wont force my beliefs on them. That would make me no different from religious fanatics.

Michellekabod2 ........you hit almost all the points and u were not bias .....me likey..

Its the virginity and abortion arguement that gets me laffing at feminist..two strong argument they can never win, two strong point that will always establish men and women will never be equal...

The one that gets me annoyed is feminist of convenience...women are now screaming for equal mix of men and women in work places......how can u want an employer to throwaway ur biological nature information when employing you but u still want that biological nature considered when u get pregnant..if there can’t be more men than women in work places to balance the fact that women will stay away for maternity for 4months... then they shouldn’t go on maternity leave.... but as usual..: they will start crying foul...

@ 1stoprudeness [/quote] both genders are different anatomically. The fact that a woman gets pregnant doesnt mean she isnt capable to work as any man. Its just biology being..biology. Take the animal kingdom, the lioness does 90% of the hunting (providing the food that keeps the pride going). Maternity leave isnt a valid as to why males are more superior.

I remember a lady teaching in a private school and was being paid 6k monthly. She handles 2 classes in primary section while acting as an assistant to a third class. The class she was assisting is being handled by a guy. It took her two months to find out that the guy was being paid 12k, they use same qualification. Instead of complaining of women right bla bla bla, she quited. Not long after, the guy couldn't handle the class and also quited. Now, I dont believe she was paid 6k because she is a woman, it was her bargaining power, its not easy for anyone, be you a guy or girl, you fight for what you want, not asking for it to be served to you on a platter

@ Michellekabod2, did you remember I argued about this with you in one thread like that? Where I highlighted some of the issues you just wrote here, especially that of marriage? You countered it and now you are saying the same thing? Well,all is well. Thank Goodness you ve come to your senses

RedCreme21:
@ 1stoprudeness both genders are different anatomically. The fact that a woman gets pregnant doesnt mean she isnt capable to work as any man. Its just biology being..biology. Take the animal kingdom, the lioness does 90% of the hunting (providing the food that keeps the pride going). Maternity leave isnt a valid as to why males are more superior.

Listen to urself......did any of my post say women are less superior??did any of my post say a woman isn’t capable of doing a man’s job bcosnof maternity...?? That’s the thing about feminist, u guys are always too quick to drive arguments towards capability and superiority of women....
Incase u ddnt read my comment well b4 jumping at it...it isn’t a capability or superiority argument....it is about feminist clamoring for equal mix of men and women in work places... in a verge to establish equality saying it’s discrimination for men to be more than women .....they fail to consider employers do so because biological nature of women can’t be ignored. it’s nature, so because a company won’t be able to put a cap on ur sexual activity, it can only balance its work force by ensuring those who won’t be going for maternity when’re they want and still receive full pay would be more... it isn’t discrimination against women... it’s proper planning

Little by little, you beginning to gain IQ points. Kudos

Martinez39:
Little by little, you beginning to gain IQ points. Kudos

.. I love what's happening. Little by little they will realize that the demerits of what they are clamouring for outweighs the merits. Let's keep watching.

1StopRudeness:


Listen to urself......did any of my post say women are less superior??did any of my post say a woman isn’t capable of doing a man’s job bcosnof maternity...?? That’s the thing about feminist, u guys are always too quick to drive arguments towards capability and superiority of women....
Incase u ddnt read my comment well b4 jumping at it...it isn’t a capability or superiority argument....it is about feminist clamoring for equal mix of men and women in work places... in a verge to establish equality saying it’s discrimination for men to be more than women .....they fail to consider employers do so because biological nature of women can’t be ignored. it’s nature, so because a company won’t be able to put a cap on ur sexual activity, it can only balance its work force by ensuring those who won’t be going for maternity when’re they want and still receive full pay would be more... it isn’t discrimination against women... it’s proper planning

Feminists always see sexism, misogyny and gender wars where they don't even exist. That's their special gift. In Europe and America, feminists believe that it is sexist when a man interrupts a woman during an argument, something they call "mansplaining". They think men interrupt women because they look down on women and don't value their opinions.

JONNYSPUTE:
.. I love what's happening. Little by little they will realize that the demerits of what they are clamouring for outweighs the merits. Let's keep watching.

Little by little. The only way feminists will learn is when men start holding them to the standard of equality and stop giving them special treatment. Men must also learn not to back away or be afraid of the rants and backslashes of feminists. Where men can and have time, they must unfailingly call them out on their bullshit.

1stoprudeness
'...two strong points that will always establish that men and women can never be equal...'
Your statement
I countered it by stating that your point wasnt valid enough to prove the above.

Martinez39:
Feminists always see sexism, misogyny and gender wars where it doesn't even exist. That's their special gift. In Europe and America, feminists believe that it is sexist when a man interrupts a woman during an argument, something they call "mansplaining". They think men interrupt women because they look down on women and don't value their opinions.

It’s now more worse in Europe, in Sweden and Norway.....they are now clamoring for automatic seats at directors and share older level...meaning even if a qualified man is available for a role, it has to be filled by a women to claim equality...

It’s a fight of convenience for them... because in their bias fight for equality, you’ll never see them clamour for automatic seats for women in jobs like caterpillar driving, fork lift driving, kitchen porter, heavy duty machine operating
They will still clearly tell you some jobs are not feminine job.. at the end of the day it isn’t really a shout for equality, it’s a shout to bend the rules so they can have a sort of level playing ground against their male counterparts that always seem to be better...

Sincerely, I don’t get u.....

in the context of virginity and abortion which was my first point.. will men and women ever be equal..??
my second point on equal mix in work places isn’t related to the first one....so I really don’t get how u are trying to invalidate my first point By countering my second point with an off-context view of superiority and capability of women....


[quote author=RedCreme21 post=83878310] 1stoprudeness
'...two strong points that will always establish that men and women can never be equal...'
Your statement
I countered it by stating that your point wasnt valid enough

1StopRudeness:
Sincerely, I don’t get u.....

in the context of virginity and abortion which was my first point.. will men and women ever be equal..??
my second point on equal mix in work places isn’t related to the first one....so I really don’t get how u are trying to invalidate my first point By countering my second point with an off-context view of superiority and capability of women....

I get you now. I dont agree though.
I countered with capability only. Quote where i typed about female superiority. must you put words in my keyboard to prove you are right?

1StopRudeness:
Sincerely, I don’t get u.....

in the context of virginity and abortion which was my first point.. will men and women ever be equal..??
my second point on equal mix in work places isn’t related to the first one....so I really don’t get how u are trying to invalidate my first point By countering my second point with an off-context view of superiority and capability of women....

i would love for you to enlighten me regarding the 'virginity and abortion'.
Im used to the arguement being about 'physical strenght and intelligence'
Before you quote me, im not arguing. I aint one of those hotheaded females who believe they are always right.
Im willing to learn.

Martinez39:
Little by little. The only way feminists will learn is when men start holding them to the standard of equality and stop giving them special treatment. Men must also learn not to back away or be afraid of the rants and backlash of feminists. Where men can and have time, they must unfailingly call them out on their bullshit.

.. I think she has experienced what you just said now. The last time I told her that feminism distorts the original plan of nature and marriage,she countered it. I wonder what made her to be saying this.

These people called "feminists" have really done a great disservice to women's characters especially with their online antics.
Argumentative,antagonistic,angry,bitter,insultive,ignorant....its a damn shame to all the peace loving women on earth

1StopRudeness:

It’s now more worse in Europe, in Sweden and Norway.....they are now clamoring for automatic seats at directors and share older level...meaning even if a qualified man is available for a role, it has to be filled by a women to claim equality...

This sort of nonsense happens when men are too weak to call women out on their bullsh!t. I hope it doesn't happen. Meritocracy must apply to both nen and women.

It’s a fight of convenience for them... because in their bias fight for equality, you’ll never see them clamour for automatic seats for women in jobs like caterpillar driving, fork lift driving, kitchen porter, heavy duty machine operating

I agree. They are hypocrites.

They will still clearly tell you some jobs are not feminine job.. at the end of the day it isn’t really a shout for equality, it’s a shout to bend the rules so they can have a sort of level playing ground against their male counterparts that always seem to be better...

True. They are hypocrites.

JONNYSPUTE:
.. I think she has experienced what you just said now. The last time I told her that feminism distorts the original plan of nature and marriage,she countered it. I wonder what made her to be saying this.

Who knows. I too wonder what made her to be saying all this because I know that Michellekabod2 is just other feminists [s]even though she likes to play the good girl.[/s]

Let's see how things unfold.

She still disagrees with you, women shouldn’t be made to follow this original plan of nature and marriage designed by men for women. The OP is telling feminists not to muffle the choice of women with traditional views.

Michelle, beautiful post.

JONNYSPUTE:
.. I think she has experienced what you just said now. The last time I told her that feminism distorts the original plan of nature and marriage,she countered it. I wonder what made her to be saying this.

Martinez39:
Who knows. I too wonder what made her to be saying all this because I know that Michellekabod2 is just other feminists [s]even though she likes to play the good girl.[/s]

Let's see how things unfold.

See I have resolved not to be arguing and getting abusive anymore,so I will ignore this... If you feel Someone who proudly dumped religion, who endorses homosexuality,masturbation,who openly admits to drinking and clubbing tries to play the good girl then fine

liberalchick:
She still disagrees with you, women shouldn’t be made to follow this original plan of nature and marriage designed by men for women. The OP is telling feminists not to muffle the choice of women with traditional views.

Michelle, beautiful post.

Leave them,let them be jubilating! They think I am with them....


I always knew we had so much views in common that only a matter of time before we realise...we all learn everyday

liberalchick:
She still disagrees with you, women shouldn’t be made to follow this original plan of nature and marriage designed by men for women. The OP is telling feminists not to muffle the choice of women with traditional views.

Michelle, beautiful post.

.. Lol. You shouldn't have quoted me because you won't understand where we started.Anyways,nice try.

Michellekabod2:

See I have resolved not to be arguing and getting abusive anymore,so I will ignore this... If you feel Someone who proudly dumped religion, who endorses homosexuality,masturbation,who openly admits to drinking and clubbing tries to play the good girl then fine

These don't make one a bad girl. Perhaps, you don't know what I mean by good girl. Anyway, have a wonderful evening and don't forget to give your son some red pills, the earlier the better.

Michellekabod2:

Leave them,let them be jubilating! They think I am with them....


I always knew we had so much views in common that only a matter of time before we realise...we all learn everyday

.. Just that I can't remember but I was telling you how some feminist wannabes were muffling others to be like them and how they call others who don't believe in the ideology names and how such can distort or affect the peace in many homes. You countered all that. Now tell me the difference between what I said then and what you wrote?

The OP isn’t about women who don’t believe in the ideology but about women who DO believe in the ideology but still choose to do stereotypical things.

A feminist that loves to cook and clean for her husband shouldn’t be mocked by other feminists if she CHOOSES to do so.

There is a difference between “It’s a woman’s job to cook and clean” from “I choose to cook and clean because I want to not because I think it’s a woman’s job”. Michelle countered the former in your last conversation with her. The latter is what the OP is about, a post about feminists that choose to do things that are defined as ‘women’s’ role.

JONNYSPUTE:
.. Lol. You shouldn't have quoted me because you won't understand where we started.Anyways,nice try.

liberalchick:
The OP isn’t about women who don’t believe in the ideology but about women who DO believe in the ideology but still choose to do stereotypical things.

A feminist that loves to cook and clean for her husband shouldn’t be mocked by other feminists if she CHOOSES to do so.

There is a difference between “It’s a woman’s job to cook and clean” from “I choose to cook and clean because I want to not because I think it’s a woman’s job”. Michelle countered the former in your last conversation with her. The latter is what the OP is about, a post about feminists that choose to do traditional roles.

.. My argument with her started when I was like trying to explain to her that it's not good for the self acclaimed feminists to go about preaching and telling other women to stop doing the so called "traditional roles" like you said,that it affects homes and she said it's a lie. So now tell me,if a person does not buy the idea,is it right for the other person who does to start mocking her?
You said something about a woman choosing to do cooking and stuffs because she wants and not because it's her job and I ask you, Can a married lady who is unemployed and have all her needs provided by a man stay idle all day without cooking for the said man,or doing other sundry stuffs because she has the ideology that she can choose to do them or not because she is a feminist?. If your answer is yes,will it affect that home?

JONNYSPUTE:
.. My argument with her started when I was like trying to explain to her that it's not good for the self acclaimed feminists to go about preaching and telling other women to stop doing the so called "traditional roles" like you said,that it affects homes and she said it's a lie. So now tell me,if a person does not buy the idea,is it right for the other person who does to start mocking her?
You said something about a woman choosing to do cooking and stuffs because she wants and not because it's her job and I ask you, Can a married lady who is unemployed and have all her needs provided by a man stay idle all day without cooking for the said man,or doing other sundry stuffs because she has the ideology that she can choose to do them or not because she is a feminist?. If your answer is yes,will it affect that home?

I can't remember endorsing the actions of those that mock the feminists that chose to uphold their traditional roles, i cant remember telling ladies not to cook,be non virgins,or be feminine etc if I did imply that in any way in the past then I withdraw my statements.

As regards to the woman refusing to cook when he provides everything,as a man I will personally revolt or divorce her. But that is my own "opinion" and what I will have done if am in his shoes...that's not a standard to be employed by all men .
I personally see it as injustice but that is him to decide and I advice people marry those who meet their standards and choices. If you love a home maker as a wife,look for one. If you love a career woman as a wife,look for one,if you love a woman who you fend for and she does nothing for you or doesn't cook,then look for one. As a lady if you are homely,marry a man who celebrates homeliness. If you are liberal,marry who celebrates liberty, if you are evil,marry someone who celebrates evil