LordReed:
Love me or I kill you are not the words of a lover but of an abuser.

Blabbermouth:

Who said this?

LordReed:
Love me or I kill you are not the words of a lover but of an abuser.

CAPSLOCKED:


I LOVE YOU ALL, MY CREATIONS. BUT JUST IN CASE YOU DOUBT ME OR MY LOVE FOR YOU, I WON'T SWEAT IT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT I'M FOR REAL... I'LL JUST SEND YOU ALL TO HELL WHERE YOU WILL BURN, AND COOK, AND WAIL, AND SUFFER FOREVER.

BUT I LOVE YOU.

Blabbermouth:

GOD is not a superman, He is God.

CAPSLOCKED:


I LOVE YOU ALL, MY CREATIONS. BUT JUST IN CASE YOU DOUBT ME OR MY LOVE FOR YOU, I WON'T SWEAT IT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT I'M FOR REAL... I'LL JUST SEND YOU ALL TO HELL WHERE YOU WILL BURN, AND COOK, AND WAIL, AND SUFFER FOREVER.

BUT I LOVE YOU.

CAPSLOCKED:


I LOVE YOU ALL, MY CREATIONS. BUT JUST IN CASE YOU DOUBT ME OR MY LOVE FOR YOU, I WON'T SWEAT IT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT I'M FOR REAL... I'LL JUST SEND YOU ALL TO HELL WHERE YOU WILL BURN, AND COOK, AND WAIL, AND SUFFER FOREVER.

BUT I LOVE YOU.

Daejoyoung:

Actually if we go by the beliefs of jesus in the gospel on Hellfire only, we never see anything in the gospels that indicate people go to Hellfire for anything having to do with beliefs. ln matthew 25, jesus gives a parable about the son of man separating the sheep and the goat, with the nations gathered before him:

ln that parable, the nations based on one condition: lt was that they rejected the son of man, they didn't clothe him, feed him, or care of his sickness.

The nations were surprised because they didn't even know him, or if they knew him, they wouldn't reject him like that, but he said:

The least of my brethren amongst you, the sick, hungry, and homeless.

This parable is consistent with the message of jesus on what is really dear to his heart, and the people who would inherit the kingdom of God, and the rewards they would get at the resurrection of the just

But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maim, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed because they cannot repay you but you shall be repaid at the resurrection of the just.
Luke 14v13-14.

Go sell all you have and give to the poor and you shall have treasure in heaven, then come follow me.

lt seems that jesus imagined that in the kingdom of God, those who are considered the least of the brethren, the poor, lame, blind, maimed, outcast(like the leprous) would surprise everyone because they have been neglected in the society in which jesus lived in.

Also the religous people were very judgemental like we are today in the name of religon, and they judged some people as not deserving of the kingdom of God, so jesus said:

For john came neither eating nor drinking and you say he hath a devil, the son of man come eating and drinking and you say look a glutton and a wine bibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.
Luke 7v34.


Even the poor were judgemental of the tax collectors and hated jesus for eating and drinking with such rich sinners, to which he says

l have not come to call the righteous but sinners unto repentance.

Now when the pharisee who had invited him, saw this, he spoke to himself saying: This man if he were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching him, for she is a sinner.
Luke 7v39.

LordReed:


John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Your not perishing is contingent on belief, how then can you say "we never see anything in the gospels that indicate people go to Hellfire for anything having to do with beliefs"?

Daejoyoung:

Since when did perish equate to Hellfire?
The wages of sin is death.
The day that you eat of this fruit you shall die.
Let the dead bury their dead.

When did all of these equate to Hellfire?

But even if l am to take your interpretation that perish means Hellfire, then what does it mean to believe in jesus? what of the gospel sayings from john that also says:

If you abide in my words, you are my disciples, and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
John 8v32

lt is written they shall be all taught of God, therefore anyone who has heard and learned from the father comes to me.
John 6v45.

A new commandment l give unto you that you Love one another as l have loved you.
And elsewhere in Matthew, he says:

And why do you call me lord, lord, and not do what l say.

lt is clear that christianity and what jesus himself taught are sometimes poles apart, for jesus of the gospels( all gospels), his teachings are important and they are all about service to people he called the least of his brethren ( the weak in society). love that requires the laying down of one's life, and forgiveness of our neighbour as the key to our receiving forgiveness from God.

The problem is that Christians use the epistles and Revelation to interprete the gospels, rather than using the gospels to interpret everything else in the bible.

The gospels may not be perfect, but at least they come close to the heart of the Christian message, because they are biographies about jesus and collection of some of his sayings from oral traditions.

LordReed:


So when John 3:16 says believe it is wrong?

What does perish in that verse mean?

Daejoyoung:

ln john's gospel, part of the job of the messaiah is to teach us all things

And the woman said, we know that messaiah comes and when he comes he shall teach us all things, and jesus said to her, l that speak to you l am he.
John 4.

So to believe in jesus in John's gospel is to believe that he is messaiah and therefore his teachings about God and eternal life are true.
This is the essence of john's gospel.
ln those days if the people did not see him as messaiah or prophet or one with authority, then it made no sense to listen to him, because he is from Nazareth and nothing good comes from Nazareth. The Nazareens were also not usually amongst the elite teachers or most educated in the law, so the people at his time had no reason to believe in his sayings compared to the teachings of the saducces and pharisees in Jerusalem. He tries to provide proof that he is from God in John's gospel through his miracles and the assurance that those who listen to God in their hearts, would know that his words are true.
ln john's interpretation of the life of jesus, the words of jesus are the key to abundant life, not everything could be written in a book but these are written so that you may believe and have life in his name.

LordReed:


Then I don't see what you are objecting to.

You didn't answer what perish means.

Daejoyoung:

What does believe in jesus mean to you?

1)To perish and to die in some places in the bible simply means to die without hope of being raised again on the last day.

2) ln some places it means to lose touch with God. ( like Adam in the garden of eden).

3) ln other places it means to rise again, but to rise to eternal condemnation( as in the book of Daniel)

4) ln other places it means to die to a previous lifestyle usually sin.
( most of the teachings of paul).

5)And for the rest of the bible, it simply means to perish literally.


Both you and most evangelicals and/or Christians assume that perish in this instance should only mean no 3 and no 3 alone.

As for me, l don't clearly know what it means in this instance but it most likely means you shall begin to reap the fruits of your own sin, or receive the wrath of your sin both now and in the new age during the resurrection.
What l know is important from that passage though is that the words of jesus gives eternal life, or guarantees resurrection to life everlasting when the new age comes.

GoodBadandUgly:


So your God is not even a badass? Thor is both a God and a superhero.
Tell your God to step his game up!

LordReed:


John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Your not perishing is contingent on belief, how then can you say "we never see anything in the gospels that indicate people go to Hellfire for anything having to do with beliefs"?

Dtruthspeaker:


Antichrist! Your hatred for God is well established, why don't you go to threads of your family and dwell there, rather come here to attack babies?

Oh! I just remembered, you are doing father's delight and continuing his work.

Daejoyoung:

What does believe in jesus mean to you?

1)To perish and to die in some places in the bible simply means to die without hope of being raised again on the last day.

2) ln some places it means to lose touch with God. ( like Adam in the garden of eden).

3) ln other places it means to rise again, but to rise to eternal condemnation( as in the book of Daniel)

4) ln other places it means to die to a previous lifestyle usually sin.
( most of the teachings of paul).

5)And for the rest of the bible, it simply means to perish literally.


Both you and most evangelicals and/or Christians assume that perish in this instance should only mean no 3 and no 3 alone.

As for me, l don't clearly know what it means in this instance but it most likely means you shall begin to reap the fruits of your own sin, or receive the wrath of your sin both now and in the new age during the resurrection.
What l know is important from that passage though is that the words of jesus gives eternal life, or guarantees resurrection to life everlasting when the new age comes.

LordReed:


Yawn! Boring!

Dtruthspeaker:


My Pleasure

LordReed:


It's your pleasure to be boring?

Dtruthspeaker:


You just must have the last drink

sonmvayina:
God is the divine consciousness personified... Not a Jewish man or zombie

LordReed:


I am not sure why you are asking me this question cos if you didn't already know, I am not a Christian so asking me is kinda off point.



As far as the Christian narrative concerning the afterlife goes, there are only 2 places one can go heaven and hell. If salvation and eternal life is represented by heaven, is hell not left to represent perishing?

LordReed:


I am not sure why you are asking me this question cos if you didn't already know, I am not a Christian so asking me is kinda off point.



As far as the Christian narrative concerning the afterlife goes, there are only 2 places one can go heaven and hell. If salvation and eternal life is represented by heaven, is hell not left to represent perishing?

Daejoyoung:


That is the christian narrative but the bible has many narratives. Also if you read the gospels, the kingdom of God is not really about going to heaven, it is about God's rule on earth(yes you heard me right, here on earth).

Daejoyoung:


You are not a Christian but you seem to have an unchanging opinion on what believe means. When you answer what you think Christians mean by the term...believe in christ, only then can l answer your question based on the passage.