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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by PervertProphet: 11:01pm On Dec 06, 2019*

Khaleell001:
Hitler was a Christian true and true .

All you did was just go online and gather some pics and statement from. Wikipedia and think those will be enough to counter my arguments?

Read what inspired Hitler and stop pining everything that happened on Islām :

Hitler, the killer of millions of Jews said this:

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. (Mein Kampf p. 65)

And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God. (Mein Kampf p. 174)

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago—a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939. 1. New York: Oxford University Press. pp. 19-20.

After the pogrom treatment where did the Keys fled to?
Europe?
Auschwitz?
Gulag?
where?!

They fled to Palestine where the Muslims of Palestine took them in after their tortuous and the violent oppression meted out on them.

But today the ones who helped them are being turned into slaves in their own country.

You need to try another trick because this ain't working.

Lol! Where were you expecting me to get the pictures of Hitler and his support from the Muslims from? The Qur'an?! Or the Hadith?! Or lol! The Tafsir?! Is it not from same Wikipedia or whatever online source that you got your statement taken from Hitler's Mein Kampf from? Or lol! did you source the Hitler's book from a Islam library? Let me know. Lol! Your Muslims are always too sensitive and quick to accuse others but never want criticism yourselves.

Now this is not a one-way debate where I must finish you off and be shown victorious. No! I must give you some credit here even though lol Muslims are generally known to do Taqiyya at all times.

As regards Hitler been a "Christian" which is the popular name the Muslim Dawah team love to throw out there just to make the murderous legacy of Muhammad seem somewhat justified and "mild" by comparing him to Hitler whom is regarded till this day as a very evil man.

I wonder why you are dubious with rendering the actual historical event that you read on Wikipedia instead of this watered down version of the account that you put up here but thank God. That some of us are out here for a genuine reason to let the truth be known instead of it being twisted. Now for anyone who will see our posts.

Now, this is a new subject that I have recently been studying to understand and be able to accurately identify men who amass great wealth and fame using the manipulation of religion to achieve their aim and evil desires.

From Muhammad, Hitler, Jim Jones (The Jonestown Massacre guy), several of these fake pastors/prophets/Alfas/Imans/Sheikhs, etc. Everyone of them had first claimed a religion to be able to first buy the hearts of the gullible masses right before they come clear with their evil plans. The funny thing is that a look at their life legacy shows that they were religious cheats who used religion to control and dominate others.

Yes, at first Hitler made some pretensive statements like he was a "Christian" but what we see is that he ended up killing Christians especially those of the Confessing Church who spoke up against his evil deeds. Exactly, how Muhammad came acting like he loved the Jews and Christians before he started killing them.

One thing to note about these false deceptive individuals is that they always have great oratory ability that cause many to blindly follow them.

Take for instance, you with the knowledge of Muhammad at 54year defiling a 9year old girl which you very well know that this is never morally right across any culture at all whether modern or ancient but you will go to great lengths to defend this pedophile prophet. Same thing with Hitler.

Next, you will notice with these false men is the fact that they are usually immoral (multiple wives, slave sex, some sort of free sex, etc). Muhammad was a man exhibiting traits like these. He had sex so much with his 9 "wives" that he mistakenly thought according to a Hadith that he had sex when he didn't. Same immorality with Hitler who claimed to be a "Christian". He too was a sexual deviant. Same with some of these false pastors/ prophets/ Alfas/ Imans, etc. Same with Jim Jones who had 900 of his adherents murdered, etc

Next, they usually all deny the diety of Jesus, deny the trinity or try to redefine it just like some of the so called "Christian sects" that you claim also don't believe, Islam, etc. Do a historical background check on the lives of their founders and you will always be shocked at what you will discover.

Hitler as a "Christian" has been debated several times and the conclusion by historians who have looked at the facts and his life have concluded that Hitler was irreligious, anti-christian, anti-clerical and scientistic. Hitler the so called "Christian" never hid his criticism of rejection of basic tenets of the Christian faith.

It is written that his own major academic biographers concluded that he was irreligious and anti-christian. Ernst Hanfstaengl, a friend of his from their early political days said Hitler: "was to all intents and purposes an atheist by the time I got to know him".

It is written that Hitler although born to a practicing Catholic mother. From a young age became hostile to Christianity. It was so bad that Hitler never attended any Mass or ever received sacraments after leaving his family house. Any Catholic in the house. Can this type still be considered a Catholic with the level of disdain he had for the Catholic Church?

In his earlier political statements, books like Mein Kampf that you quoted from, etc. He tried to act and profess like he was a Christian describing Jesus as a sort of "Aryan Fighter" who struggled against "the power and pretensions of the corrupt Pharisees and Jewish materialism" which were exactly the parts stressing this that you quoted from the Mein Kampf book of Hitler.

Historians say that Hitler was smart enough to know that if he continue to feign a commitment to Christianity that the majority of Germans would re-elect him. Goebbels in April 1941 wrote about how Hitler forbade him from leaving the Church just only because of tactical reasons.

Hitler was criticised by the Confessing Church and they suffered persecution. Hitler anticipated the collapse of Christianity in the wake of Scientific advances. This obviously should prove that Hitler was not a Christian.

"In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest."

Alan Bullock, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny.

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Organs(m): 12:32am On Dec 07, 2019

midnighter:
It is not my analogy, its yours. Have you forgotten?

Yeye doesnt mean you are insulting me, in the united republic of nairaland right? So what does it mean

I marvel at how you people believe that drinking zamzam water will cure your ills

The Quran never said that, the prophet did not teach that. However, the zamzam was a miracle from God for Hajara (Hagai) when her baby Ismael was thirsty. Now, since this is a miracle from God, people believe in it and its powers. It has equally healed and cured some people based on their beleif.[b][/b]

That listening to music is a sin, when it just cant be

That it is a sin to draw a living creature, when it isnt. It isnt!

The Prophet (SAW) reminded people going to a wedding to take a singer along since the brides clan likes music. Also, swordplay dancing and competition is accompanied with music and the prophet (SAW) used to carry his wife Aisha (RA) on his shoulder to watch it. You have to qualify the music. Micheal Jacksons "Heal the World" has good content and its ok, while soppy for example is bad content and bad music.

That it is actually practicable and effective to stop what youre doing 5 times a day, repeating the same thing thousands of times a year, in an ancient language which takes at least 5 years of continuous study to understand at a basic level, when it clearly is not

(It is worship, not just praying. That is the purpose for which we were created. You don't pick and choose, your creator established worship of him for you. You have 24 hours in a day. you dont want to use 1.15 hr to worship your creator? Internationally 15mins is allowed for prayers. Also, this forms the 5 joints of the day. You wake up you worship and start your day right, midday during lunch, you take a break you worship, by closing time, 4p.m you worship, now by dinner time its getting dark ure home you worship, then you say your night prayers and go to bed.) Also, you learned all the languages you speak today, including your mothers tonque, English since they colonized you and anyone that suits your fancy. Now the Quran was revealed in arabic and for uniformity, you worship in arabic. I have gone to spanish speaking areas where they dont speak englsih and i dont speak spanish and i can lead a prayer there and all. Also, the God said Arabic is the best of languages and you really need to know arabic and you will be marvelled by it. The arabic word Al Rahman, you will see Most Compassionate, most merciful, etc, it takes so many englsih word to translate into arabic. As a matter of fact the word Hubb, everlasting, never ending, forever growing LOVE. Cannot be explained in any other word. [b][/b]

I marvel at so many things you people do yet I cant describe you as yeye during a discussion so just humour all of us dear.

Yes, the trinitarian ideology and idea of sacrificing a son has been around for a long time before Christianity came, that does not mean that it is not true.

The idea of a God and a prophet has been there since, does it mean Islam is a lie?

You are just being facile for no good reason. Facile and arrogant! Like I said, serious Muslims dont talk like that.

You should study "Islam" to understand it and not what people say or tell you. So many of your assumptions above are wrong. I explained some. However some of the things you said, i think you should rethink. The bible says he is dishonest in little is dishonest in much. You don't just accept things or do things without a source, a command from God or justification, else we will all do what we wish, that is why there is so much confusion, lies, false preaching, church rules, sect rules (bokoharam, shite,) etc in Nigeria.

I agree with you absolutely, @sulasa07 was abusive and pointing finger and that is wrong. Sulasa07, the prophet (SAW) lived amongst Christians and gave letters to muslims to give to Christian leaders for protection and to live peacefully under Christian rules. The quran says the Christians are closest to you in friendship, brotherhood etc. As a matter of fact you as a muslim man can marry a Christian lady and by your islamic faith, you cannot force her to become muslim. She has a right to practice her christian faith, so pls do not condemn, or make a mockery of any religion or faith. May Allah guide us aright, amen.

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by sulasa07(m): 1:56am On Dec 07, 2019

midnighter:
daya'to

faafetai mo au upu

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by midnighter(f): 5:05am On Dec 07, 2019

Organs:
You should study "Islam" to understand it and not what people say or tell you. So many of your assumptions above are wrong. I explained some. However some of the things you said, i think you should rethink. The bible says he is dishonest in little is dishonest in much. You don't just accept things or do things without a source, a command from God or justification, else we will all do what we wish, that is why there is so much confusion, lies, false preaching, church rules, sect rules (bokoharam, shite,) etc in Nigeria.

I agree with you absolutely, @sulasa07 was abusive and pointing finger and that is wrong. Sulasa07, the prophet (SAW) lived amongst Christians and gave letters to muslims to give to Christian leaders for protection and to live peacefully under Christian rules. The quran says the Christians are closest to you in friendship, brotherhood etc. As a matter of fact you as a muslim man can marry a Christian lady and by your islamic faith, you cannot force her to become muslim. She has a right to practice her christian faith, so pls do not condemn, or make a mockery of any religion or faith. May Allah guide us aright, amen.

You have absolutely no right to assume the bolded; if I interact with several Muslims and they all tell me the same thing, read something in a published book about Islam or from an internet source, then you can only tell me that you dispute it, not that I must have gotten it from hearsay.

Do not patronise me or talk down on me because Im not interested in that. Why not ask me where I got such ideas from instead of assuming that I must have gotten it from idle gossip or dumb rumour?

You are just assuming that I am too stupid to understand whether something is true or not or that I have never interacted with a Muslim in my entire life, which is quite insulting of you, isnt it?

You people have several sects and schools of thought so its wrong of you to assert that I must be wrong just because you specifically follow a particular line of thought.

Thank you for acknowledging the idiocy of your co-religionist in your second paragraph; I am glad that you can see bad behaviour and condemn it no matter the faith of the perpetrator.

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by midnighter(f): 5:43am On Dec 07, 2019

Organs:
I marvel at how you people believe that drinking zamzam water will cure your ills

The Quran never said that, the prophet did not teach that. However, the zamzam was a miracle from God for Hajara (Hagai) when her baby Ismael was thirsty. Now, since this is a miracle from God, people believe in it and its powers. It has equally healed and cured some people based on their beleif.

Just because the Qur'an never said it, it doesnt mean people dont believe it. Its widely known that people go to extreme lengths to drink that water believing that it will cure their diseases even though some of it is fake and some of it is contaminated with poisonous metals.

The Qur'an is not the only source of guidance; what about the hadeeth, fiqh and modern Islamic scholars? What about Islamic culture, literature and art? So many people do not have a good enough understanding of Qur'anic Arabic to be able to read it themselves which is why they have to rely on other sources.

Organs:
That listening to music is a sin, when it just cant be

The Prophet (SAW) reminded people going to a wedding to take a singer along since the brides clan likes music. Also, swordplay dancing and competition is accompanied with music and the prophet (SAW) used to carry his wife Aisha (RA) on his shoulder to watch it. You have to qualify the music. Micheal Jacksons "Heal the World" has good content and its ok, while soppy for example is bad content and bad music.

Its true that Islam says that listening to music is a sin unless the music is exclusively sung with male voices and only uses a simple drumbeat.

But most people do not follow this interpretation, in fact even Saudi Arabia has a very old pre-Islamic music tradition which they have continued despite this ruling

Organs:
That it is actually practicable and effective to stop what youre doing 5 times a day, repeating the same thing thousands of times a year, in an ancient language which takes at least 5 years of continuous study to understand at a basic level, when it clearly is not

(It is worship, not just praying. That is the purpose for which we were created. You don't pick and choose, your creator established worship of him for you. You have 24 hours in a day. you dont want to use 1.15 hr to worship your creator? Internationally 15mins is allowed for prayers. Also, this forms the 5 joints of the day. You wake up you worship and start your day right, midday during lunch, you take a break you worship, by closing time, 4p.m you worship, now by dinner time its getting dark ure home you worship, then you say your night prayers and go to bed.)

That was my personal opinion on the matter; I personally believe that repeating all that stuff does not make anything meaningful. You should at least be able to worship at your discretion to some extent.

But what you have explained here does make some sense.

Organs:
Also, you learned all the languages you speak today, including your mothers tonque, English since they colonized you and anyone that suits your fancy. Now the Quran was revealed in arabic and for uniformity, you worship in arabic. I have gone to spanish speaking areas where they dont speak englsih and i dont speak spanish and i can lead a prayer there and all. Also, the God said Arabic is the best of languages and you really need to know arabic and you will be marvelled by it. The arabic word Al Rahman, you will see Most Compassionate, most merciful, etc, it takes so many englsih word to translate into arabic. As a matter of fact the word Hubb, everlasting, never ending, forever growing LOVE. Cannot be explained in any other word.

The English that we speak today due to colonialism bears little resemblance to the English spoken in times of old, which is why the Bible has been translated into a modern version that the common man can understand

You cannot compare this to Qur'anic Arabic which is ancient and takes years and years of study to understand.

Just because you can lead prayer in any muslim place because the language is uniform, it does not mean that you understand the depth of what you are saying.

Even I could go and read the "Bismillah ir-rahman ir-raheem...." if I wanted to, and still recite it without knowing what on earth I was saying!

Excuse me, why should God tell us that Arabic is the best of languages? So all of us who dont speak Arabic, our languages are sub-standard or stupid or what huh

Arabic is a beautiful language but no language is superior over the other. This idea of Arabic language supremacy is why some Arabs look down on other practising muslims and also why a lot of muslims suffer from slave mentality and inferiority complex when in the presence of Arabs.

"Hob" means love and "Raheem" means mercy; I do not see anything difficult in translating those words into English and I do not see anything superior about the language that people should be forced to pray in it.

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by midnighter(f): 5:44am On Dec 07, 2019

sulasa07:
faafetai mo au upu

Erere we magba

You are a total Idiot and even your fellow muslim is ashamed of you

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by PervertProphet: 6:16am On Dec 07, 2019

sulasa07:
People tend to believe in different things,even atheist believe in some ideas.Praying 5 times a day is not for any human,its for ALLAH alone so you will enter Understand basic Arabic in 5yrs, you must be a Joker.Basic Arabic that you will understand in 2 days,its just like learning A,B,C,D.I only know Basic Arabic as you said,and I can recite the Qur'an in Arabic just that basic understanding without any problem.

I see you attacking the female that Christianity is fake. Lol! You don't want us to launch into all the fakery of Islam.

Lol! As a start, can you show where in the Qur'an it is said that you should pray five times a day and you obviously know the history where it was copied from.

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by sulasa07(m): 6:51am On Dec 07, 2019

PervertProphet:
I see you attacking the female that Christianity is fake. Lol! You don't want us to launch into all the fakery of Islam.

Lol! As a start, can you show where in the Qur'an it is said that you should pray five times a day and you obviously know the history where it was copied from.

Qur'an 11 vs 114:You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.(This verse says both ends of the day and night, so the ends of the day must be fajr and maghrib, and the one at night is i'sha)
Qur'an 17 vs 78:You shall observe the Contact Prayer (salat) when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Qur'an at dawn. (Reciting) the Qur'an at dawn is witnessed.(The highest point at noon is dhuhr prayer and dawn is fajr, once again)
Qur'an 2 vs 238:Maintain with care the [obligatory] prayers and [in particular] the middle prayer and stand before Allah, devoutly obedient.(The middle prayer is salat asr)

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by sulasa07(m): 6:53am On Dec 07, 2019

PervertProphet:
I see you attacking the female that Christianity is fake. Lol! You don't want us to launch into all the fakery of Islam.

Lol! As a start, can you show where in the Qur'an it is said that you should pray five times a day and you obviously know the history where it was copied from.

You still think in Islam, we fabricate our acts n worships.And I thought you were saying we copied from somewhere,can you kindly tell where fron exactly?

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by PervertProphet: 7:54am On Dec 07, 2019

sulasa07:
Qur'an 11 vs 114:You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.(This verse says both ends of the day and night, so the ends of the day must be fajr and maghrib, and the one at night is i'sha)
Qur'an 17 vs 78:You shall observe the Contact Prayer (salat) when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Qur'an at dawn. (Reciting) the Qur'an at dawn is witnessed.(The highest point at noon is dhuhr prayer and dawn is fajr, once again)
Qur'an 2 vs 238:Maintain with care the [obligatory] prayers and [in particular] the middle prayer and stand before Allah, devoutly obedient.(The middle prayer is salat asr)

Lol!
You keep shooting yourself in the foot.

Lol! How can you tell this clear lie with a bold face?

The Ayahs you mentioned up here everyone who knows them knows that they do not suggest five times a day prayer. No where in the whole of the qur'an will you see this spelled out rather the ayahs you put up here support the three times a day prayer that Muhammad and the Muslim ummah used to pray as copied from the Jews (Daniel 6:10) before he had it changed to the five times a day and the only places where you will see the five times a day prayer are in the Hadiths. Same Hadiths that you lots love to choose the parts you want and the ones you don't.

You can find this 3 times a day prayer in the Jewish prayer book: Siddur. Even your own very words: ".......so the ends of the day must be fajr and maghrib, and the one at night is i'sha)....." Shows just like every Muslim who has been asked this that no one knows the answer to this. It is clear from the ayahs you put up there that the Qur'an quite a badly plagiarized book gave the ummah three times a day prayer as copied from the Jews but you lots insist on following the five times a day prayer in the Hadiths which was also copied from the paganistic Sabeans. Nothing in Islam seems to be original and the guts on you lots to call the Bible that the qur'an plagiarized so much a corrupt book amazes me.

Once I take my time to analyse the ayahs you put up there to deliberately deceive us. We all will see that all three salats are talked about in the qur'an which are:

Salat Al-Fajr(Morning or Dawn Salat); Salat Al-
Isha ( Night Salat) and Salat Al-Wusta (mid-day salat) as plagiarized from other sources not Islamic.

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by PervertProphet: 8:32am On Dec 07, 2019

sulasa07:
So trinity now also means unity

If you ever did even basic science. You ever heard of Atom the smallest particle is also made up of Electron, Proton, Neutron and they all one...

Read up on Atoms plus I will touch on how even Tawheed is not one.

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:54am On Dec 07, 2019

PervertProphet:
Lol!
You keep shooting yourself in the foot.

Lol! How can you tell this clear lie with a bold face?

The Ayahs you mentioned up here everyone who knows them knows that they do not suggest five times a day prayer. No where in the whole of the qur'an will you see this spelled out rather the ayahs you put up here support the three times a day prayer that Muhammad and the Muslim ummah used to pray as copied from the Jews (Daniel 6:10) before he had it changed to the five times a day and the only places where you will see the five times a day prayer are in the Hadiths. Same Hadiths that you lots love to choose the parts you want and the ones you don't.

You can find this 3 times a day prayer in the Jewish prayer book: Siddur. Even your own very words: ".......so the ends of the day must be fajr and maghrib, and the one at night is i'sha)....." Shows just like every Muslim who has been asked this that no one knows the answer to this. It is clear from the ayahs you put up there that the Qur'an quite a badly plagiarized book gave the ummah three times a day prayer as copied from the Jews but you lots insist on following the five times a day prayer in the Hadiths which was also copied from the paganistic Sabeans. Nothing in Islam seems to be original and the guts on you lots to call the Bible that the qur'an plagiarized so much a corrupt book amazes me.

Once I take my time to analyse the ayahs you put up there to deliberately deceive us. We all will see that all three salats are talked about in the qur'an which are:

Salat Al-Fajr(Morning or Dawn Salat); Salat Al-
Isha ( Night Salat) and Salat Al-Wusta (mid-day salat) as plagiarized from other sources not Islamic.

We believe in Allah and His messenger.

You mentioned Daniel 6 vs 10.
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

But you didn't mention other parts where Jesus and others are worshiping God.

1. Jesus: Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed Matthew 26:39

2. Abram: "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying...," - Old Testament (Genesis 17:3)

3. Abraham:"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Genesis 17:17)

4. Moses: "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament (Exodus 34:cool

5. Moses & Aaron:“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Numbers 20:6)

6. Moses & Aaron:"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Numbers 16:20-22)

7. Ezra and his People: And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Nehemiah 8:6)

8. Joshua: "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)

9. A Prophet: "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 9:cool

10 Jehoshaphat: "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD." - Old Testament (2 Chronicles 20:18)

11. A Prophet:"And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 11:13)

We Believe all Prophets are Muslims and hence have a way of worshiping their Lord. The method of worship of Musa may be different from that of "Eesa. And Muhammad was an unlettered man who could neither read nor write.

The Qur'an was explained by the Prophet and what does verse mean are the 5 daily prayers. So we follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah together!
What you should also know is that the Qur’aan does not contain details of all the rules. The Qur’aan mentions many rules, but it also tells us that the Sunnah is a source of evidence in which many rules are mentioned in detail that are not mentioned in the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“… and We have also sent down to you (O Muhammad) the reminder and the advice (the Qur’aan), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them and that they may give thought.” [al-Nahl 16:44]

“… and whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it…” [al-Hashr 59:7]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been given the Qur’aan and something like it with it…” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad, 16546; this is a saheeh hadeeth). Whether the rules were narrated in the Qur’aan or in the Sunnah, all of it is true and right, and all of it has one source, which is the wahy or revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

In summary, your interpretation of the Qur'an is Boko Haramic i.e. translating the Qur'an literally away from the way the people who received it understood it.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Khaleell001(m): 11:23am On Dec 07, 2019

PervertProphet:
Lol! Where were you expecting me to get the pictures of Hitler and his support from the Muslims from? The Qur'an?! Or the Hadith?! Or lol! The Tafsir?! Is it not from same Wikipedia or whatever online source that you got your statement taken from Hitler's Mein Kampf from? Or lol! did you source the Hitler's book from a Islam library? Let me know. Lol! Your Muslims are always too sensitive and quick to accuse others but never want criticism yourselves.

Now this is not a one-way debate where I must finish you off and be shown victorious. No! I must give you some credit here even though lol Muslims are generally known to do Taqiyya at all times.

As regards Hitler been a "Christian" which is the popular name the Muslim Dawah team love to throw out there just to make the murderous legacy of Muhammad seem somewhat justified and "mild" by comparing him to Hitler whom is regarded till this day as a very evil man.

I wonder why you are dubious with rendering the actual historical event that you read on Wikipedia instead of this watered down version of the account that you put up here but thank God. That some of us are out here for a genuine reason to let the truth be known instead of it being twisted. Now for anyone who will see our posts.

Now, this is a new subject that I have recently been studying to understand and be able to accurately identify men who amass great wealth and fame using the manipulation of religion to achieve their aim and evil desires.

From Muhammad, Hitler, Jim Jones (The Jonestown Massacre guy), several of these fake pastors/prophets/Alfas/Imans/Sheikhs, etc. Everyone of them had first claimed a religion to be able to first buy the hearts of the gullible masses right before they come clear with their evil plans. The funny thing is that a look at their life legacy shows that they were religious cheats who used religion to control and dominate others.

Yes, at first Hitler made some pretensive statements like he was a "Christian" but what we see is that he ended up killing Christians especially those of the Confessing Church who spoke up against his evil deeds. Exactly, how Muhammad came acting like he loved the Jews and Christians before he started killing them.

One thing to note about these false deceptive individuals is that they always have great oratory ability that cause many to blindly follow them.

Take for instance, you with the knowledge of Muhammad at 54year defiling a 9year old girl which you very well know that this is never morally right across any culture at all whether modern or ancient but you will go to great lengths to defend this pedophile prophet. Same thing with Hitler.

Next, you will notice with these false men is the fact that they are usually immoral (multiple wives, slave sex, some sort of free sex, etc). Muhammad was a man exhibiting traits like these. He had sex so much with his 9 "wives" that he mistakenly thought according to a Hadith that he had sex when he didn't. Same immorality with Hitler who claimed to be a "Christian". He too was a sexual deviant. Same with some of these false pastors/ prophets/ Alfas/ Imans, etc. Same with Jim Jones who had 900 of his adherents murdered, etc

Next, they usually all deny the diety of Jesus, deny the trinity or try to redefine it just like some of the so called "Christian sects" that you claim also don't believe, Islam, etc. Do a historical background check on the lives of their founders and you will always be shocked at what you will discover.

Hitler as a "Christian" has been debated several times and the conclusion by historians who have looked at the facts and his life have concluded that Hitler was irreligious, anti-christian, anti-clerical and scientistic. Hitler the so called "Christian" never hid his criticism of rejection of basic tenets of the Christian faith.

It is written that his own major academic biographers concluded that he was irreligious and anti-christian. Ernst Hanfstaengl, a friend of his from their early political days said Hitler: "was to all intents and purposes an atheist by the time I got to know him".

It is written that Hitler although born to a practicing Catholic mother. From a young age became hostile to Christianity. It was so bad that Hitler never attended any Mass or ever received sacraments after leaving his family house. Any Catholic in the house. Can this type still be considered a Catholic with the level of disdain he had for the Catholic Church?

In his earlier political statements, books like Mein Kampf that you quoted from, etc. He tried to act and profess like he was a Christian describing Jesus as a sort of "Aryan Fighter" who struggled against "the power and pretensions of the corrupt Pharisees and Jewish materialism" which were exactly the parts stressing this that you quoted from the Mein Kampf book of Hitler.

Historians say that Hitler was smart enough to know that if he continue to feign a commitment to Christianity that the majority of Germans would re-elect him. Goebbels in April 1941 wrote about how Hitler forbade him from leaving the Church just only because of tactical reasons.

Hitler was criticised by the Confessing Church and they suffered persecution. Hitler anticipated the collapse of Christianity in the wake of Scientific advances. This obviously should prove that Hitler was not a Christian.

"In Hitler's eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest."

Alan Bullock, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny.

Ate you expecting me take historians words ur the word of the man himself?

So if you make a statement, it means I should wait for historians to make their claim about you and interpret your words just because they are offensive?

See, you see why we tell to stop acting as if you are the be all and end all of all there knowledge.

As for me, it's enough evidence I take a man's word for what he is.
You can call him what you like, but no doubt that he had a Christian back ground and he openly professed to be a Christian but I won't say he was good Christian based own his actions and in same vain,if you guys are to be fair you can't call those terrorists killing people good Muslims because they claim to be fighting and hoisting flags in the name of the religion.

I think with all due respect you are an ignoramus and a dunce to say a man who married women not having them as girlfriends was immoral.
Even father Abraham had three wives as recorded in your Bible;does that make him immoral?
Solomon whom the Bible described as a man after God's heart married many women with concubines.

The problem I have with people like you is you just talk anyhow without looking at the context of the societal life at that time compared to now.
The factors that made that happen then CA not be compared to now.
you know this for a fact except you trying to be unnecssarily sentimental.
And again if God didn't condemn them then for what they did, then why should we condemn it now when God never did?
Do you reason at all?

As for our prophet marrying Aisha (may Allāh be pleased with her) then you need to hear from her yourself to know if she was sad or happy about the marriage.
And clearly, from all she narrated she was very happy and the society at that time never considered it a taboo to marry such girl or lady at that age.
There was nothing like Child Abuse then based on your warped and ever erratic standards.

Historically speaking, the mother (Mary) of your "Lord " and "personal saviour" was betrothed to Joseph the carpenter when she was 12 or 13 to a 70 something years old Joseph.
read the Catholic encyclopedia on this.
Will anyone think condemn this based on our present condition or standard?
No.
This how you judge.
Many of our grand parents and even mothers married and gave birth before the age of 18(which us our magical age of adulthood today ) and they were better mothers than the married and single 30 somethings we have of today.

The point is, no matter how hard you try to demean Islam you can only try your best but you can never and will never be able to bring any reasonable arguments to bring it down.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by VanGun: 12:03pm On Dec 07, 2019

AbuTwins:
Question
What is the punishment of not wearing Hijab?

Answer
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Hijab is a duty ordained and prescribed by Allah The Almighty on women. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {O Prophet Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested…}[33: 59] The Holy Qur'an.

In another Surah (chapter of the Qur'an) Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {…that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! Turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. }[24:31].

Therefore, it is imperative on the Muslim men and women to submit to the commands of Allah and His Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) in accordance with the true faith (Iman).
Allah The Almighty Says: {It is not fitting for a Believer, men or women, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision: if anyone disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.}[33:36].

If the woman does not fulfill the duty of Hijab, then she is prone to the punishment and wrath of Allah. However, there is no authority from the Qur'an or Sunnah (sayings of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam)) indicating clearly the type of penalty. Even if it is but a minor penalty, nobody can endure the Hellfire for a moment. The Muslim woman should fear Allah The Almighty and fulfill her obligations towards her Lord. If a woman committed a sin she should repent as quickly as possible before it is too late.
Allah knows best.

Source

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Nobody: 12:04pm On Dec 07, 2019

Khaleell001:
Always shifting the post ;when you or your friend said they are being raped and had no voice you thought you had box me into corner not knowing you are just hopping here and there.

Who was talking about who God loves ?
We started with the compulsory nature if the hijaab but diverted it to rape and no vioce and when I gave a fitting reply you are now talking about male rape and who God loves.

You guys are just so so unstable.

If you start something, defend it with facts and figures and stop taking cheap shots at me when you know you had no facts but just noise and more noise.

Why are you running from the simple truth? Wearing of hijab and all the restrictions on women you practice is pointless, it has not changed anything. Except making your men sex lords..infact it seems to be one of the major aims of your religion, your men can marry 4 wives at a time and divorce any quite easily, they can marry from outside islam, they can marry under-aged kids, they can as well keep sex slaves, besides the controversial 72 houri thing, what about the women?
Wear hijabs 247, stay indoors unless by the permission and supervision of a man, they cant marry who they want, etc, this is what makes your rape cases low, not because your men dont want to. All the outward self-righteousness you practice is just smoke screen. Why not leave everyone to do as they will instead of the pretense and falsehood. Why do you think God put the "forbidden fruit" in the garden if He truly wants us to be so restricted? Face the simple truth dude. Love and understanding is what is needed, not list of "do's and dont's".

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Khaleell001(m): 1:31pm On Dec 07, 2019

kattytamer:
Why are you running from the simple truth? Wearing of hijab and all the restrictions on women you practice is pointless, it has not changed anything. Except making your men sex lords..infact it seems to be one of the major aims of your religion, your men can marry 4 wives at a time and divorce any quite easily, they can marry from outside islam, they can marry under-aged kids, they can as well keep sex slaves, besides the controversial 72 houri thing, what about the women?
Wear hijabs 247, stay indoors unless by the permission and supervision of a man, they cant marry who they want, etc, this is what makes your rape cases low, not because your men dont want to. All the outward self-righteousness you practice is just smoke screen. Why not leave everyone to do as they will instead of the pretense and falsehood. Why do you think God put the "forbidden fruit" in the garden if He truly wants us to be so restricted? Face the simple truth dude. Love and understanding is what is needed, not list of "do's and dont's".

Don't worry you will get well soon.
And our women are not complaining so quit being super woman.

And this is how hypocritically tolerant you guys can be.

If we choose to wear certain dress in a certain way you complain.

We now choose to behave in a certain,you complain

We now choose to marry our own way the way we see fit, you complain.

And all these does not harm them in anyway.

This was exactly the same stupid reason American government used in invading Afghanistan and other muslim countries claiming that their(Western)way of life is more superior when we see and know how rape, murder,incest and all sort of perverted behavior is their lot yet they want to liberate us.

I know what you people want; what you want is we to be more like you and you less like us because it suit your debased depravity.

The thing your people don't know or seem to get confused is, every country has its rules and restrictions.

For you to drive a car, own a house or live in certain places you need to abide by certain rules.
Even in America as liberal as it is, you can't go naked or wear certain types of clothes in certain places, but when a muslim choose to do same these confused over night freedom fighters claim we are living in bondage.

I can see through your sleaze and your confusion and we do everything within our means to help you.
However if yiu insist on attacking the tenets of our beliefs be reat assured that you will have people like me to contend with and I also I guarantee ya, you won't succeed.

Because our females are not valued or praised based on how they show the shape of their bodies to the outside world but how they comport themselves and how they support their families as wives, mothers, daughters and aunts.
This what their creator wants and they are glad it's working fine even if it seems uncomfortable, but the results are indeed astounding that even debased nobodies like you want to drag them down to you low status.

And if you are not still okay with the message then read this from our Creator's book:
"If any think that Allah will not help him (His Messenger) in this world and the Hereafter, let him stretch out a rope to the ceiling and cut (himself) off: then let him see whether his plan will remove that which enrages (him)!"

-Qur'aan 22:15
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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Nobody: 3:03pm On Dec 07, 2019

Khaleell001:
Don't worry you will get well soon.
And our women are not complaining so quit being super woman.

And this is how hypocritically tolerant you guys can be.

If we choose to wear certain dress in a certain way you complain.

We now choose to behave in a certain,you complain

We now choose to marry our own way the way we see fit, you complain.

And all these does not harm them in anyway.

This was exactly the same stupid reason American government used in invading Afghanistan and other muslim countries claiming that their(Western)way of life is more superior when we see and know how rape, murder,incest and all sort of perverted behavior is their lot yet they want to liberate us.

I know what you people want; what you want is we to be more like you and you less like us because it suit your debased depravity.

The thing your people don't know or seem to get confused is, every country has its rules and restrictions.

For you to drive a car, own a house or live in certain places you need to abide by certain rules.
Even in America as liberal as it is, you can't go naked or wear certain types of clothes in certain places, but when a muslim choose to do same these confused over night freedom fighters claim we are living in bondage.

I can see through your sleaze and your confusion and we do everything within our means to help you.
However if yiu insist on attacking the tenets of our beliefs be reat assured that you will have people like me to contend with and I also I guarantee ya, you won't succeed.

Because our females are not valued or praised based on how they show the shape of their bodies to the outside world but how they comport themselves and how they support their families as wives, mothers, daughters and aunts.
This what their creator wants and they are glad it's working fine even if it seems uncomfortable, but the results are indeed astounding that even debased nobodies like you want to drag them down to you low status.

And if you are not still okay with the message then read this from our Creator's book:
"If any think that Allah will not help him (His Messenger) in this world and the Hereafter, let him stretch out a rope to the ceiling and cut (himself) off: then let him see whether his plan will remove that which enrages (him)!"

-Qur'aan 22:15
.

Indeed your women are not complaining like there's a room for that in islam, and the reward for apostacy is a box of chocolates, and there has been nothing as "honour killing of women" by you psychos. Keep deceiving yourself....choose to marry 13 year old kids or even 6 year olds like the sex maniac you call a prophet.

So America invaded afghanistan because of hijabs and your nonsense? You need healing more than I do. As a matter of fact if not for western super powers you crazy lots would still be going about today attacking cities in the name of jihad, raping peoples wives and daughters, keeping some as sex slaves, is that not what your evil quran teaches? Would you love it if its done to your wives, mothers, and sisters? Or would you deny the spread of islam was mainly by warfare and conquest? You think you have a right to judge anyone?

Yea every country should have rules and regulations, this should be fair and respect basic human rights including freedom of expression and assosciation...do islamic countries guarantee that?

My confusion huh

You cant even see beyond your own nose and you think you can defend your religion? Can you tell me about how muhammad was bewitched by a sorcerer to make him hallucinate about sex and food? Can you tell me why there are similarities between certain parts of some apocrypha books like the infancy gospel of thomas and some stories in your quran? Can you explain why muhammad was allowed to have up to 13 wives or so while other muslims are only allowed to have 4? Add to that how he got the energy to sleep with all his wives in one night...a special gift from allah right huh

Joke is on you if you dont have the right answers.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Organs(m): 7:16pm On Dec 08, 2019

midnighter:
You have absolutely no right to assume the bolded; if I interact with several Muslims and they all tell me the same thing, read something in a published book about Islam or from an internet source, then you can only tell me that you dispute it, not that I must have gotten it from hearsay.

Do not patronise me or talk down on me because Im not interested in that. Why not ask me where I got such ideas from instead of assuming that I must have gotten it from idle gossip or dumb rumour?

You are just assuming that I am too stupid to understand whether something is true or not or that I have never interacted with a Muslim in my entire life, which is quite insulting of you, isnt it?

@Midnighter, i based my assumptions on the fact that there are authentic sources for beliefs, practices and established norms. There are also, idle gossips and interpretation of these things. You need to focus on the authentic sources. In the villages, people learn arabic by writing on slates with dye (uli), now, there are malams that write prayer verses, wash it off and drink it believing it will cure ailments etc. Just like those letters of indulgences of the Catholic Church back in the day. These are all practices, yes they have a source and over time people believe in them. Now, in Islamic circles, the prayer of Jonah when he was in the belly of the fish was answered. Laillahailla anta Subhanaka ini kuntum minal zolimin. Since this prayer worked for Jonah, (Yunus) it is believed to be a powerful prayer in times of difficulty. So, there are origins, sources to these beliefs. So, i expect you to at least do your research and not quote or beleive. Now, if you notice miracles are not as common as they used to be. Also, all the Nigerian mega churches are all in the USA. They have major crusades mostly in Texas, however, one thing is missing here, miracles! You wont see one single miracle performed or talked about, why cos the USA is a country of laws and they are not as lazy as Nigerians. Someone will most definitely trace the history of any miracle performed and burst you out. so If you go by what most people say or believe, you have to talk about other factors as well and most importantly quote a source in the quran or hadith. [font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]

You people have several sects and schools of thought so its wrong of you to assert that I must be wrong just because you specifically follow a particular line of thought.

Thank you for acknowledging the idiocy of your co-religionist in your second paragraph; I am glad that you can see bad behaviour and condemn it no matter the faith of the perpetrator.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Organs(m): 7:41pm On Dec 08, 2019

midnighter:
Just because the Qur'an never said it, it doesnt mean people dont believe it. Its widely known that people go to extreme lengths to drink that water believing that it will cure their diseases even though some of it is fake and some of it is contaminated with poisonous metals.

The Qur'an is not the only source of guidance; what about the hadeeth, fiqh and modern Islamic scholars? What about Islamic culture, literature and art? So many people do not have a good enough understanding of Qur'anic Arabic to be able to read it themselves which is why they have to rely on other sources.

Its true that Islam says that listening to music is a sin unless the music is exclusively sung with male voices and only uses a simple drumbeat.

This is not true. Its just like some people will say women are not allowed to wear trousers? where is that written? No where is it written that music is bad. Again you have to define clearly what is talked about. there are so many Nasheeds that people listen to.

But most people do not follow this interpretation, in fact even Saudi Arabia has a very old pre-Islamic music tradition which they have continued despite this ruling

Again this is not true. Somethings are just interpretations. Now as an example, the Prophet (SAW) did not like onions. Now the prophet was sent as a guide to us and we are supposed to live our life the way he lived, now this is sunnah. Now, not liking onions is personal and has nothing to do with faith. Some people cannot differentiate and they will say i dont eat onions and they will not eat onions just because the prophet did not like onions as a human being and it has nothing whatsoever to do with faith. Onions is good for you and you should eat it as a muslim. That is the difference, misunderstanding and misconceptions amongst some muslims. Same thing wilth using a blanket to cover all Music. That is wrong.

That was my personal opinion on the matter; I personally believe that repeating all that stuff does not make anything meaningful. You should at least be able to worship at your discretion to some extent.

But what you have explained here does make some sense.

The English that we speak today due to colonialism bears little resemblance to the English spoken in times of old, which is why the Bible has been translated into a modern version that the common man can understand

You cannot compare this to Qur'anic Arabic which is ancient and takes years and years of study to understand.

Just because you can lead prayer in any muslim place because the language is uniform, it does not mean that you understand the depth of what you are saying.

Even I could go and read the "Bismillah ir-rahman ir-raheem...." if I wanted to, and still recite it without knowing what on earth I was saying!

Excuse me, why should God tell us that Arabic is the best of languages? So all of us who dont speak Arabic, our languages are sub-standard or stupid or what Arabic is a beautiful language but no language is superior over the other. This idea of Arabic language supremacy is why some Arabs look down on other practising muslims and also why a lot of muslims suffer from slave mentality and inferiority complex when in the presence of Arabs.

Midnighter, God said the jews are "chosen people", God said Honey is very good and a healing for you, God said he has revealed the quran in arabic so you may "understand". It is indeed a unique language. Note that God said the male is not better than the female and neither is the female better than the male, and that the best of you is the most pious. In another place God said the Arab is not better than the non arab and neither is the non Arab better than the Arab, all of you are from Adam (first creation) and Adam is from Dust. Arabic is a language and you have arabs. There are people in Nigeria that speaks english better than the Queen. You need to understand how languages are structured. Hausa for example is clearer and broken down in grammatical terms of how a language should be. You have masculine and feminine gender well defined. So, in hausa language, what is your name for male is different from female, Igbo and yoruba is not like that. However, Yoruba is a more growing and descriptive language. Radio and television has yoruba descriptive words for them however in Hausa it is radio and talbison, same english words why? cos these things came after the language was formed. Yoruba has a word for computer but i bet you there is no Igbo word for Computer. So, some languages are way better than others in so many aspects. Ask a linguist and you will be amazed how rich arabic is. Also, it is obligatory on every muslim to learn of arabic what his capacity enables him to do. That is why you have the word "The Ugly American" cos americans only speak english however, Europeans speaks more than one language on the average and North Africans speak Arabic, french and English. Again, this is your worldview, research more and you will be amazed that a lot of things does not jive with what you know or believe, most exp when you research.

"Hob" means love and "Raheem" means mercy; I do not see anything difficult in translating those words into English and I do not see anything superior about the language that people should be forced to pray in it.

Again, this is a poor translation. If you begin to open this up, to what Hub and Raheem actually means, you will be amazed.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by midnighter(f): 7:41pm On Dec 08, 2019

Organs:
i based my assumptions on the fact that there are authentic sources for beliefs, practices and established norms. There are also, idle gossips and interpretation of these things. You need to focus on the authentic sources. In the villages, people learn arabic by writing on slates with dye (uli), now, there are malams that write prayer verses, wash it off and drink it believing it will cure ailments etc. Just like those letters of indulgences of the Catholic Church back in the day. These are all practices, yes they have a source and over time people believe in them. Now, in Islamic circles, the prayer of Jonah when he was in the belly of the fish was answered. Laillahailla anta Subhanaka ini kuntum minal zolimin. Since this prayer worked for Jonah, (Yunus) it is believed to be a powerful prayer in times of difficulty. So, there are origins, sources to these beliefs. So, i expect you to at least do your research and not quote or beleive. Now, if you notice miracles are not as common as they used to be. Also, all the Nigerian mega churches are all in the USA. They have major crusades mostly in Texas, however, one thing is missing here, miracles! You wont see one single miracle performed or talked about, why cos the USA is a country of laws and they are not as lazy as Nigerians. Someone will most definitely trace the history of any miracle performed and burst you out. so If you go by what most people say or believe, you have to talk about other factors as well and most importantly quote a source in the quran or hadith.

Excuse me! Just excuse me because you are irritating me.

Did you ask me whether I did research or not? No.

You do not need to quote Qur'anic scripture every time you make a statement about Islam. You do not need to quote from a source absolutely every time you say something. You can do that if you want to to corroborate your point or if somebody asks you to prove it.

If I make the statement "Salat is one of the 5 pillars of Islam" do I need to look for a source that says that before we take it as a given? No.

Stop trying to undermine me by mentioning idle gossip as if there is anything wrong with my brain. If I make a statement you can either ask me to corroborate it with a source or hold your peace.

Dont talk down to anybody here, because we are not Muslims does not mean any of us are stupid so just stop with that condescending tone.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Organs(m): 7:55pm On Dec 08, 2019

midnighter:
Excuse me! Just excuse me because you are irritating me.

Did you ask me whether I did research or not? No.

You do not need to quote Qur'anic scripture every time you make a statement about Islam. You do not need to quote from a source absolutely every time you say something. You can do that if you want to to corroborate your point or if somebody asks you to prove it.

If I make the statement "Salat is one of the 5 pillars of Islam" do I need to look for a source that says that before we take it as a given? No.

Stop trying to undermine me by mentioning idle gossip as if there is anything wrong with my brain. If I make a statement you can either ask me to corroborate it with a source or hold your peace.

Dont talk down to anybody here, because we are not Muslims does not mean any of us are stupid so just stop with that condescending tone.

You totally misunderstood me. Its because i hear these things amongst non-muslims that just paint Islam with a brush of misunderstanding and misconceptions. I agree i should've asked you for your source. My mistake.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by midnighter(f): 8:00pm On Dec 08, 2019

Organs:
You totally misunderstood me. Its because i hear these things amongst non-muslims that just paint Islam with a brush of misunderstanding and misconceptions. I agree i should've asked you for your source. My mistake.

Okay.

But you can see from my comments here that I do at least have some idea of Islamic concepts, even if you dont totally agree with me.

What Im saying is that you should at least give people some credit and not assume that the reason we dont follow your faith is because all we do is sit and denigrate it because we are too stupid to go and read, which is what you have been implying in this interaction.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by AbuTwins(op): 1:23pm On Dec 11, 2019

kattytamer:
Why are you running from the simple truth? Wearing of hijab and all the restrictions on women you practice is pointless, it has not changed anything. Except making your men sex lords..infact it seems to be one of the major aims of your religion, your men can marry 4 wives at a time and divorce any quite easily, they can marry from outside islam, they can marry under-aged kids, they can as well keep sex slaves, besides the controversial 72 houri thing, what about the women?
Wear hijabs 247, stay indoors unless by the permission and supervision of a man, they cant marry who they want, etc, this is what makes your rape cases low, not because your men dont want to. All the outward self-righteousness you practice is just smoke screen. Why not leave everyone to do as they will instead of the pretense and falsehood. Why do you think God put the "forbidden fruit" in the garden if He truly wants us to be so restricted? Face the simple truth dude. Love and understanding is what is needed, not list of "do's and dont's".

I think it is hypocrisy telling us to dumb our way of life and embrace yours. We believe and follow our religion. Follow yours too!

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Nobody: 3:44pm On Dec 11, 2019

AbuTwins:
I think it is hypocrisy telling us to dumb our way of life and embrace yours. We believe and follow our religion. Follow yours too!

Offcourse the world should fold its arms and watch you oppress women, children and also butcher anyone with a dissenting voice? You never want to hear the truth,wearing hijabs and praying 5 times a day and all that doesnt change anything. Your hearts are still dark as it would be without your laws.

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Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by sulasa07(m): 9:02pm On Dec 11, 2019

kattytamer:
Offcourse the world should fold its arms and watch you oppress women, children and also butcher anyone with a dissenting voice? You never want to hear the truth,wearing hijabs and praying 5 times a day and all that doesnt change anything. Your hearts are still dark as it would be without your laws.

How do you know Muslims praying 5 times hasn't change anything in their lives,are their lives yours or can't you just manage your business?

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Nobody: 12:18am On Dec 12, 2019

sulasa07:
How do you know Muslims praying 5 times hasn't change anything in their lives,are their lives yours or can't you just manage your business?

Tell me what has changed? Do isis, boko haram, taliban memebers not pray 5x a day or what are you saying? Are there no robbers, rapists, ritualists, gays and harlots among muslims? Stop taking things personal please, it is not about you and I but rather what is true. Forcing people to live in a certain way by some set of hard and fast rules and regulations does not stop humans from sinful tendencies, rather understanding all The Maker wants is for us all to live in love and understanding is all that's important...

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Nobody: 12:40am On Dec 12, 2019

sulasa07:
How do you know Muslims praying 5 times hasn't change anything in their lives,are their lives yours or can't you just manage your business?

Again Il say it plainly, wether you agree or not does not change the truth, the one you love to reverend and call a prophet was nothing but conman evidenced from your quran and hadiths, it is clear he copied stories and got his ideas from various existing sources like the talmud, the gospels as well as some apocrypha gospels he must have come accross along his lifetime.

He was said to be clearly hallucinating at some point in his life which was attributed to the effect of some jewish magician.

He was also described to have the sexual prowess of 30 men...we all know he had multiple sexual partners and had the strength to go round perhaps all in one night.

He was indeed highly hardworking and zealous to have memorized the quran in emtirety while leading several battles as well as pleasing his numerous sexual partners.

Again he was known to be a violent man, beheading a number of his enemies at a go, snatching ones wife for himself and having sex with her in same day he beheaded her husband.

There are several confabulations attributed to him both in the quran and hadiths which turned out to be false.

All these put together fit in more with the description of a bipolar maniac than a true Prophet of God. Ever heard of olumba olumba, jesu oyingbo, several other cult leaders share similar tendencies (high sexual drive, hallucinations, confabulations, violence, etc) with the one you chose to believe is a prophet. That is the simple truth, believe it or not!

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by sulasa07(m): 8:48am On Dec 12, 2019

kattytamer:
Tell me what has changed? Do isis, boko haram, taliban memebers not pray 5x a day or what are you saying? Are there no robbers, rapists, ritualists, gays and harlots among muslims? Stop taking things personal please, it is not about you and I but rather what is true. Forcing people to live in a certain way by some set of hard and fast rules and regulations does not stop humans from sinful tendencies, rather understanding all The Maker wants is for us all to live in love and understanding is all that's important...

Is that why gun violence has risen in USA and Knife stabbings has increased in UK too,is it bcoz of the Muslims too.All the Boko Haram,ISIS,Al Qaeda are all situated in Muslim regions killing loads of Muslims.
When UK and USA were training Osama bin Laden and his boys and giving them weapons to help overthrow the Red Soviet Army, didn't UK and USA know they were all Muslims back then,when you can answer that truthfully,maybe I'll continue talking with you

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Nobody: 11:58am On Dec 12, 2019

sulasa07:
Is that why gun violence has risen in USA and Knife stabbings has increased in UK too,is it bcoz of the Muslims too.All the Boko Haram,ISIS,Al Qaeda are all situated in Muslim regions killing loads of Muslims.
When UK and USA were training Osama bin Laden and his boys and giving them weapons to help overthrow the Red Soviet Army, didn't UK and USA know they were all Muslims back then,when you can answer that truthfully,maybe I'll continue talking with you

How you muslims manage to lie to yourselves like its just a thing like drinking water amazes me honestly, isis and boko haram are in muslim countries killing loads of muslims, no more suicide bomb attacks in europe, us, asia? Well we thank God for that, but tell us simple yes or no if they still pray 5x a day like typical muslims and recite the quran. Thats what its about. Did osama bin landen and co stop reading the quran and praying 5x daily because the US used them to fight the russians?

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by sulasa07(m): 12:13pm On Dec 12, 2019

kattytamer:
How you muslims manage to lie to yourselves like its just a thing like drinking water amazes me honestly, isis and boko haram are in muslim countries killing loads of muslims, no more suicide bomb attacks in europe, us, asia? Well we thank God for that, but tell us simple yes or no if they still pray 5x a day like typical muslims and recite the quran. Thats what its about. Did osama bin landen and co stop reading the quran and praying 5x daily because the US used them to fight the russians?

Can you count all number of people that died from all their attacks in US,UK and other countries like that with the number of people that have been killed in Northern Syria alone.People like Osama pray(I dont know and care if their 5 daily prayers are complete),its something they must do to be seen as a Muslim in order to gain more sympathizers.And you haven't answered my question why US and UK supplied Terrorists with weapons to help fight their arch-enemy at that time.
They are doing the same now by supplying weapons to YPG/PKK that is terrorising the Turkish people.Of course you wont believe it,but who cares what you believe or not

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by Nobody: 2:36pm On Dec 12, 2019

sulasa07:
Can you count all number of people that died from all their attacks in US,UK and other countries like that with the number of people that have been killed in Northern Syria alone.People like Osama pray(I dont know and care if their 5 daily prayers are complete),its something they must do to be seen as a Muslim in order to gain more sympathizers.And you haven't answered my question why US and UK supplied Terrorists with weapons to help fight their arch-enemy at that time.
They are doing the same now by supplying weapons to YPG/PKK that is terrorising the Turkish people.Of course you wont believe it,but who cares what you believe or not

Why are you trying to differentiate the number of the dead from the hands of the "terrorists" in the middle-east from elsewhere? Are you trying to say terrorism is just a front by the "US" to attack real muslims in the middle-east? Thats an entirely different topic dude, except if terrorism is the only crime muslims commit which is not the case. Even if the US/CIA has been funding guerellas from the carribeans to the middle-east indirectly from time it has little or no significance here.

Re: Punishment For Neglecting Hijab by sulasa07(m): 6:54pm On Dec 12, 2019

kattytamer:
Why are you trying to differentiate the number of the dead from the hands of the "terrorists" in the middle-east from elsewhere? Are you trying to say terrorism is just a front by the "US" to attack real muslims in the middle-east? Thats an entirely different topic dude, except if terrorism is the only crime muslims commit which is not the case. Even if the US/CIA has been funding guerellas from the carribeans to the middle-east indirectly from time it has little or no significance here.

I'm just telling you Muslims suffer more at the hands of these terrorist groups than any other group all together,so stop blaming us when we are the one suffering from their hands the most.
Why don't you ask yourself why Al Qaeda,ISIS,DAESH always take control of regions with crude oil and who buys the oil from them?

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