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| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Nobody: 4:39pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Thegamingorca:She has no idea that even whilst in a mere dating relationship, many Nigerian girls see their boyfriends as the only viable source of income. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Nobody: 5:31pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Oh dear ... RisenPhoenix:If a general practitioner marries a lung specialist, the lung specialist will earn more than the general practitioner. That's how it works. It has nothing to do with gender but with the field of specialization. Even if the lung specialist happens to be a man, the female general practitioner will have other motives for marrying him than financial upgrade. Women who have money often want someone who is also driven, successful and can measure up to their intellectual development, money is not the decisive factor. If a well earning woman decides to stay at home to look after children, the husband will provide for the time being but she herself will earn less and contribute less to her pension and since a great part of his money will be invested in the kids, she will not have more money but in total less. Simple math, really. Men have much less of a drive. Given the opportunity, along with most of his immediate baser needs (food, sex, an opportunity to watch football) a man might never think that the enjoyment of the baubles of this world are worth the effort. Actually, neither sex do enjoy those things so much, but for women, it is not so much the enjoyment of those things as the competing with her fellow women. This is why you hear women make comments like "my son is a lawyer, my daughter is a surgeon, I weny to Dubai last summer", but men almost never see the need to. Men are more geared towards boasting of their 'achievements' rather than their possessions. A man would rather boast of beating another guy or sleeping with the girl next door. For example, I am more accepting of my daughter as a housewife if she so wishes, while my wife insists on her being a world famous neurosurgeon, yet I am happier when my daughter can successfully wolf whistle or ride her bicycle without the trainers; and these achievements impress my wife not at all.Well, since you have taken your own family as an example, let me tell you about mine. It was my father who took pride in my academic achievements and always insisted on me being the best in everything. He would accept nothing less. He would tell everyone who cared to listen how well I scored on the last test. My mother was worried I wouldn't get married and wouldn't know how to cook when she felt that I was too career oriented. My father was happy I had no intentions to get married early and discouraged me from doing it too soon. You see, you are overgeneralizing drawing from your own experience. My own experience is different. And truly I know no father who is not proud of his child's academic performance. Saying that men have much less of a drive is another overgeneralization and claiming that women are more competitive is actually a little bit funny. The reason why men love sports more than women do is because sports are all about competition. What differentiates us from animals is not reckless aspiration but the use of reason. Welfare systems may provide some basic needs, but not all; they neglect; even undermine; the most important one to men; self worth. The need to feel that one's needs are being met through his own efforts. This is why men always prefer to work; criminally if they cannot work legally. They would feel useless otherwise.Whether human beings are reckless in the pursuit of their goals or not is determined by the character of a person but it doesn't refute my point that human beings, men and women, want more from life than just the fulfillment of their basic needs. It is one of the characteristics that differentiates us from animals, not the only one and I have never said it was so your argument that the use of our reason is another human characteristic is redundant. But a woman's finances are always met whether she has a career or not. They are always improved by her marrying up even if her own career is successful. That is why she is benefited.Read my first paragraph again. Possibly some do have loftier intentions, but the drive itself tends to induce toxic behaviour. And a more expensive education does not necessarily mean a better one, only one that you can boast more about in front of your friends.I wasn't talking about the cost of education so I don't understand your point. I recommend the book "the boy who was raised as a dog" by Bruce Perry MD. It documents the effects of neglect and lack of bonding on children. While the book does focus on extreme cases of neglect, it does bring into focus issues of adjustment.Children whose mothers have careers are not necessarily neglected and children whose mothers do not work are not necessarily taken care of properly. Migrants are not a suitable sample for study, as they are strangers in a strange place, wary over their children's safety and their own security and stability. For this reason, no objective sociologist or behavioral psychologist would compare them to the locals. A better method would be to compare those of the same nationality in their own countries with that of the locals you mentioned. Author after author have pointed out the issues with parenting in societies like the US; a country with the largest amount of single motherhood per capita. The behaviour of children in balanced, family oriented countries like China or Japan for example, can never be compared to that of children in the US. Here are some studies on effect of maternal absence on children, just so you know that my concerns are backed by research:Be so kind and do me the favor of quoting from the studies you choose to include in your argument. Anyone can post links to confirm their bias. That's the ugliness of the internet. Like this: Children who attend nursery are better behaved than those who stay at home with parents, study finds https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/10/01/children-attend-nursery-better-behaved-stay-home-parents-study/ If we include studies, we will have to check the source and the methodology and in the light of it discuss which conclusions can be drawn from the said study and which not. Every gender has been equipped with special traits that confer an advantage to its bearer. Women are better equipped physically and emotionally to child rearing and nurture. The fact that women has mammary glands and men don't further ensures that the earliest, most important bonding occurs between a child and his mother. Father bonding is less strong and comes only later. For a mother to yank away that newly formed bond immediately after her maternity leave is over would leave the child deprived and damaged; and no father can completely replace her at this point. Men are also better equipped for the workplace and usually end up with better wages for doing the same job. They have the clear advantage in the workplace; as even feminists are quick to bitterly point out. It is illogical to expect every member of a family unit to fulfill the role that he/she is ill equipped for and avoid the role that he/she would excel at, merely to satisfy some vague notion of unnatural gender equality. The father has a huge part to play in the child's development, but it is not the same as the part which a mother plays, nor can his attention replace hers. That is why the mother's presence is paramount, and not because the father is trying to shirk emotional responsibility as you think.First of all, there is nothing that qualifies a woman more to take care of children other than her ability to breastfeed which some women can't or choose not to do. After the breastfeeding phase, there is nothing that a man couldn't do which single fathers have proven over and over again. I can even argue that men are better suited to carry around toddlers because they tend to be stronger. A father doesn't bond with his children when they reach a certain age. A father who is present in his child's life begins to bond with his child immediately after the child is born. Some specialists claim that the baby gets used to the father's voice as early as in the womb. The bonding process with the mother and the father happens simultaneously. In more equitable societies more and more fathers take paternity leave and their children develop well. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 6:06pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Mindfulness:yes you are right apart feom breastfeeding there's nothing a man cant do in terms of taking care of a child... but when you take away that responsibility from a woman and decide like feminists say men too should be homecarers.... when you take away that responsibility , women become 100% useless.. what ways can you be useful without accepting the responsibilities society has given to women?.. see forget civilisation, you just cant cheat nature, it never changes... the fact that i pointed earlier on about women not really contributing anything in terms of infrastructures, roads, education.. all these things men created.. how else can you be useful in the society?.. you haven't proved to us you can do anything other than taking care of a family which should give you pride... where was women when men fought world war1 and 2?.. where was women when nations fought adulf hitler?... the cold war, sadam Hussein, osama... all these crazy people.... you just cant come on social media and give us all this advanced bullshyte.... the cycle between gender roles will never change, i don't care how advanced we go... there's a study in the USA that says career women are depressed.. your role in the society is caring for your family, you just can't upset the balance.. you should be grateful we haven't take that role away from you, then you'll just become very useless |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Nobody: 6:13pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Kennedyiheme:Paragraphs would be nice but I am a good girl today and read your ranting. I agree. We are useless. We can do nothing else than look after babies. I hope you feel better now. ![]() |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 6:39pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Mindfulness:stop complaining about punctuations.. you get the point.. i hope you dont end up like Linda ikeji... golden rolls royce, $300million mansion that you come home to with no one inside.. what a "happy" life |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Nobody: 6:42pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Kennedyiheme:Happier than yours. ![]() |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 6:52pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Mindfulness:lol the irony no, shes depressed, besides you dont know me or know what i have.. anyways, no one wants to marry a 40 year old woman, lol when there are younger girls.. sadly she'll be alone for the rest of her life.. she sacrificed family for carreer.. you cant have both.. so sad, its quite unfortunate |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by TheArchangel(f): 7:15pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Kennedyiheme:Consolation words of dejected men who got sidetracked by successful ladies. Men are just so needy that they can never stay without women no matter how old or young the women are. For generations, men had to rob cradles, betrothed themselves to infants just to feel alive. Some who couldn't get a girl ends up running back to mama. It irks them when reverse is the case with women. When successful women do not seem to give a hoot about them. They will try all within their power to bring the woman down, by all means necessary. Tell that to Oprah. Male folks, both the human and the animal forms were invariably the joker of creation. They were created to be needy and helped at all times. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 7:50pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
TheArchangel:oprah, how many successful women do we have on this earth?... lol most of the female billionaires got thier wealth from thier family or husband.. just take a look at jeff bezos's wife, got rich overnight from a divorce... lol women leaching and feeding off mens sweat from the age of time... lol and you talk about men needing women?.. what exactly do we need you for, we've built this world from the stones and ashes to what you enjoy today... we made you, everything you enjoy in this life is because of a man.. what has your fellow woman done for you?... besides do you know nigeria is the 2nd country just behind south Africa that watches gay porn... if its sex, men now want men for relationships, you've basically are already useless.. now you're trying to drown yourselves.. goodluck, no one would miss you |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by TheArchangel(f): 8:10pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Kennedyiheme:You are still the one needing younger women as you opined in your earlier post. That has always been the fantasies of men since creation. Make money and you will get any woman you want. From the ages past, men has always been the one contracting marriages unbehalf of women. They betrothed girls in infancy, scout for virgin brides and take female prisoners to be their wives or bedmates, oftentimes without the consent of the women. If they did not need them why go to such length. Women are useless, that's the song they sing these days. They hate marriage but won't hesitate to celebrate when babymamas are mentioned. Pray tell, Who are the baby mama's?? Another specie of the male folks?? ![]() Hahahaha, the needy specie ![]() Women always survives. Ask the widows. But men, they bury their wives in the bosom of their current girlfriend. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by olril17(m): 8:21pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
jahsharon:so u are married and u go about constituting nuisance all over NL..no wonder u have problems in ur marriage. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 8:22pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
TheArchangel:men taking women as slaves is a different issue, i dont support it and will never will, thats why I tell you feminists to channel all this your muscles to the arabs, they are the ones that need all this your sermon, not western men that gives you all the rights... you've only pointed out that men only need women for sex... doesn't it bother you you're only needed for sex? |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by TheArchangel(f): 8:28pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
Kennedyiheme:Can you point out exactly what women need men for that they cannot get by themself.? |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 8:34pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
TheArchangel:its easy, look at the world today, what do you do by yourself, the car you drive or the bus you take to work, was made by a man, the job you have, a man probably employed you... how can you still ask these questions... haven't you feminist realised its a mans world? |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by freecocoahubby(m): 10:27pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
cococandy:Stay pained! ![]() |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by TheArchangel(f): 1:51am On Dec 17, 2019 |
Kennedyiheme:This is very weak |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 6:27am On Dec 17, 2019 |
TheArchangel:ok whatever |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by CHoccolaTE: 6:51am On Dec 17, 2019 |
Kennedyiheme:i was trying to avoid this topic of men invented so and so therefore it's a man's world but I have to point somethings out to you 1. Yes white men invented majority of the advanced technological gadgets we use today but it wont make sense for me to start claiming it's A white man's world while black men are inferior, would it? So why do you think you can claim the world is for men because of inventions another race different from yours created? Even white men themselves who invent these things do not believe the world is for them alone or that women are inferior. 2. Do you realise that majority of the carnage and criminal activities perpetuated on earth are because of men's actions and decisions? Wars, rapes, robberies, kidnapping etc are caused by males so if you want to take responsibility for inventions created in history by other men you should be ready to take responsibility for the damage they caused in history as well. Don't pick and choose, fine men invented much of technology but you men also cause deaths and suffering of many innocent people with your deviant behaviour. You are not noble or wonderful Messiahs by any stretch of the imagination. Boko Haram and Fulani herdsmen are men not women. 3. The reason women are not able to contribute more in terms of these inventions you deal of is because the same men restricted their educational advancement and ability to contribute in larger society because of their sick need to control them. If you read history you would know this. Do you think women just demanded to sit at home and not have dreams and ambitions or they chose to be dependent on men by themselves? Right from time in history a woman's worth was placed (unfortunately) on her ability to bear children and be a wife. Societal and religious laws made it so, even up till today many women ditch furthering their education, getting masters and PhD's because they have been conditioned to believe that marrige and children is more important which isn't necessarily true. Let me stop here. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 7:44am On Dec 17, 2019 |
CHoccolaTE:first of it doesn't matter the race... lol a men created ot all, even black men have contributed, it really doesn't matter what race though lol, are you saying only white men go to war to keep you safe?.. or are you saying only white men construct roads...psst please spear me... wars are caused by either radical believes, economic interest or dominance... it only proves men are advanced , our brains are like 1000%, you wonna talk about men causing problems, go on youtube and watch a documentary called "female killers" go there and see the amount of women who are violent, women are as violent as men, the only difference is women get violent for senseless reason, you don't channel your anger for a greater cause, its always for senseless things.... Women are suppressed, read about the work of "marie currie" she won a nobel prize for physics and chemistry around 1880s or so .. at that time she still broke boundaries.. smart woman, the truth is you women love that word "suppression " thats like your anthem, you just can't wait to play the victim, your gender hasn't contributed to evolution because you're just not capable, you don't have the balls to take on challenges, all you're good at is whining and complaining..social media trials.... the real work is done out there, the society we are today gives women alot of privileges than men, you're far from suppressed.... you have everything you need you're just not capable. The fact that 98% of all female billionaires got their wealth from their father or husbands says alot..... i know alot of A+ female students who didn't pursue career, they weren't made to believe they are meant to take care of family, its just a natural instinct that you women have... no one forces anyone to do anything, you have a mind of your own, if you want to build a career path, go for it, just know there are consequences if you go down that path for too long |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by CHoccolaTE: 9:59am On Dec 17, 2019 |
Kennedyiheme:Oh suddenly race doesnt matter because you want to lump all men together as superior to women? ![]() Race matters Even up till today black men and countries led by black men are bottom of the barrrel The same way you claim men are 1000% more intelligent than women because of inventions, white men can also claim they are 1000% more intelligent than you Race matters White men taught you how to make the roads you build and how to use the weapons you fight your wars with. Do you think the average white man sees your black ass as equal to him? You better accept the fact that you are inferior to white men since you want to claim superiority based on inventions. Women are just as intelligent if not more intelligent than men. Look at universities today many best graduating students and first class students are females, this year alone more women did better in STEM courses than men. The only thing you men have better than women is physical strength, nothing more. You mentioned Marie Curie as a female inventor, you mentioned women who won nobel prices and broke boundaries and at the same time claim women are inferior mentally, why the contradiction? You men are the ones that used brute force to keep women down for millenia, concocting oppressive religious and socetal laws to keep power to yourselves because of your innate criminal and sociopathic natures, don't come here and pretend you dont know how little emphasis was placed on female education until some years ago. For heavens sake, in the early nineties women had to fight for the right to vote, men made laws banning them from participating in politics until the feminist movement fought against it. But thank goodness all that is changing, just as women recently stated breaking boundaries and becoming more outspoken and pursuing their ambitions, you will see more of them breaking grounds in scientific areas and society in general. Men don't fight wars to protect women they fight to protect society, both males and females and the wars are mostly caused by the same men so you have to get your asses out and fight those battles. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Kennedyiheme: 10:33am On Dec 17, 2019 |
CHoccolaTE:oh yes i honestly agree white men are superior, blacks haven't proved anything, even in America, the gang related crimes are low, most black men are lost in drugs, its a fact white men developed almost everything.... what about white women since we wonna talk about race, white women are just like black women in terms of inventions and contribution to evolution and humanity, they've done nothing just like you black women, absolutely nothing... black men have contributed something atleast, Google some inventions by black men... Philip emegwali developed something in the computer science world... women are smarter than men?... please .. inventions and progress has nothing to do with your grades or how many men you dust in class, your grades in school is only paperwork, in the real world na beans, Google hire people without school certs, facebook guy dropped out of school.... with all the grades you females have aquired, what have you done with it?.. I'll tell you what you've done, absolutely nothing.At the end of the day you go about look for a job and waits for a man to help you... I'm in the animation industry, i once met an american woman who i had a job with for some time, she runs a tech company. In one of our discussions she said she tried hiring women, but they are of no good, all they do is gossip and complain about how they want extra pay... she stopped hiring women.. she said she'll never hire women... Point is, as a woman she tried her best to support women by giving them jobs in the tech world, but they just couldn't, you failed again, maybe you all always fail... A+ or not, you cant take your grades to the real world... people with good grades are people who work for other people.... you feminists better be careful with this attitude, if you provoke out hands we'll take everything from you... we give you food, we give you water, we build your houses, we give you jobs, everything you are a man is responsible, we made you, we can take everything back from you if you continue this foolishness, and there's nothing you can do about it |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Nobody: 10:48am On Dec 17, 2019 |
cococandy:I won't even bother with entitled, ignorant folks like him |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Abcruz(m): 8:29pm On Dec 18, 2019 |
I am honestly enjoying this interesting debate. ![]() Thanks to the contributors keep it coming. ![]() |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by merlinpendragon: 7:21pm On Feb 14, 2021 |
Schneider61:cant agree more |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by FatherCHRISTMAS: 10:29pm On Feb 14, 2021 |
From the perspective you have explained it, you are right to some extent. But it's not really like that, you need to understand the purpose of union. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by merlinpendragon: 10:17pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
Schneider61:Marriage is a powerful creator and sustainer of human and social capital for adults as well as children, about as important as education when it comes to promoting the health, wealth, and well-being of adults and communities. For most Americans, this is news. When it comes to adults, the case for lifelong marriage has been framed in exclusively moral, spiritual, and emotional terms: one side argues for personal liberation from marriage, the other urges parents to sacrifice for God's and/or the kids' sake. These are important considerations to be sure. Parents surely should be willing to make appropriate sacrifices for their kids' sake. But framing the marriage debate solely in those terms obscures as much as it reveals. It misses the profound benefits that lasting marriage confers on adults. And it overestimates considerably the likelihood that divorce will, in fact, lead to greater happiness for the individual. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by BigBashiru: 1:40pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
Kennedyiheme:Women do not rush men for marriage...they only do so at older ages....its not their preferred relationship type |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by BigBashiru: 1:42pm On Sep 19, 2023 |
CHoccolaTE:The western European savages are at the bottom of the barrel....you don't know the real truth about Africa |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Fountainofyouth(f): 7:28am On Sep 20, 2023 |
BigBashiru:Then tell us the real truth. |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by BigBashiru: 7:34am On Sep 20, 2023 |
Fountainofyouth:It will be too long....just read ur history books...or Africa history blogs Hints There were libraries in Timbuktu mali before the savages tried to steal it. They say Africans are monkeys but refused to return the art works ccof the monkeys in their museums haha There hv been European attempts to erase glorious African history e.g. mansa musa and replace it with a colonial history that aims to depict Africans as uncivilized. They did it to native peoplles in Canada and USA. The colonization of Africa did not stop it was only interrupted. Africa is better than Europe that's why they came here ij thr first placd |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by Fountainofyouth(f): 7:39am On Sep 20, 2023 |
BigBashiru:What stopped African men from chasing them away before they had any footing in Africa? Instead African allowed them brainwash us with their religion, and sold their fellow Africans as slaves to them in exchange for stupid things, so who are the foolish savages between African men and them? |
| Re: Marriage is a scam to men, it is not worth it by BigBashiru: 11:01am On Sep 20, 2023 |
Fountainofyouth:My dear the fact the PEPT subverted the will of the Nigerian ppl shows that indeed the black man sold themselves as slaves to Europeans. . They did try to chase then away but the colonial hungry savages were desperate....a thief will always be more prepared and desperate than the owner |
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