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Ihedinobi3:
Hello there.

Your questions are very good, whatever the reason may be for your asking them. It is also excellent practice to pray and read the Bible daily. In addition to these things, however, you must also find a reliable Bible-teaching ministry and submit to it so that you can learn everything the Bible teaches and become able to live the way that Christians are called to live in honor of the One Who died such a terrible Death for them.

As to your questions...

Re: Q. Who was God referring to as “our” when He alone was and is the only God??
The Lord was speaking to the other Members of the Trinity, since we know from the Bible that all things were made by God, not by any creature (Genesis 2:1-3; Revelation 4:11).

Re: Q 2. If God created man in His own image, does it mean man was once like God or should I say man was God on earth?
First, it is important to remember that God is Spirit (John 4:24), and not even in the sense that angels are spirits (Hebrews 1:7,14). Angels are created spirits who depend on space and time to exist. God, on the other hand, invented space, time, matter, and the universe, so His Existence is utterly independent of such things. It is impossible to define God in terms of shape or dimension or material composition, so it is not right to understand His Image in those terms either.

Next, the Image of God is itself defined by the passage in question:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:26-28 KJV

That is to say, the Image of God is related to the ability to exercise authority over the things that God has created. In fact, it is the ability to respond to God's Authority. We call that ability free will, namely, the ability to respond to God in obedience or in rebellion against His Will. Man was made possessing this spiritual ability to make a choice about what attitude he will have toward God, whether he will rule over the earth as God's regent, or whether he will rebel against Him instead and attempt to seize the Earth from its Maker, just like some of the angels had done before Man was created.

In other words, man was and is able to determine himself with respect to God. We can choose who and what we will be in relation to God. This is a unique ability among God's creatures. It is possessed only by the angels and man. It is why the Scriptures says that we are "gods" (Psalm 82:6; John 10:34) and why angels are called "sons of God" (Job 38:7). It enables us to exercise divinely delegated authority over our lives and the world around us in God's behalf.

Re: Q. Is the creation of Adam and Eve same as the creation of man in genesis chapter 1 vs 27 to 29?
Yes. God finished all His Creation on the sixth day and rested on the seventh (Genesis 2:1-3). The description that follows in the rest of Chapter 2 is similar to other "zoom-in's" that Moses does in Genesis, where he develops a background in order to tell us an important story (for example, the story of Noah and the Flood). So, the creation of Adam and Eve happened on the sixth day. It is only focused on and expanded in chapter 2 in order to tell us how man fell and what that fall led to.

Re: Why did God plant the tree of evil in the garden that was supposed to be heaven on earth? When He knew man has a weakness and where was God when the serpent made Eve eat from the tree of evil? Also why did God put the serpent in the Garden of Eden when He knew the serpent was evil and bound to corrupt God’s creation?
First of all, Adam and Eve had no weakness when they were created (Genesis 1:31; Ecclesiastes 7:29).

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 1:31 KJV

Next, there was no tree of evil:

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. . .16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
(Genesis 2:9,16-17 KJV

There was only a tree of the knowledge of good and evil that the Lord commanded Adam not to eat from. That tree was said by the Bible to be pleasant to the sight and good for food. It wasn't evil. It was part of God's good creation. It was only forbidden to man.

As to why God put this tree in the Garden, it was to be his test, to allow him to demonstrate his attitude to God of his own free will. If he chose to obey God, then eventually man would be resurrected in a new, eternal body and confirmed in God's Eternal Family as the replacement for Satan and the angels who rebelled. If he chose to disobey and join Satan in rebellion, then man would also enter Satan's condemnation and have either God's Mercy to pursue or else eternal judgment to face. Without a command of the sort that the Lord gave to Adam in the Garden, there would have been no opportunity for man to exercise his free will and make an unhindered choice whether to remain in submission to God or to rebel against Him.

As to where God was, He was in the Third Heaven. But of course He is really everywhere, so He was also with Adam in the Garden when the couple made their choice. Also, the serpent did not make Eve do anything. It only offered temptation. Eve made her own choice.

About the serpent, see Genesis 1:31 above, the serpent was not evil. It was an animal that was subtle (or careful, loosely translated) by nature, and it was Eve's pet. The only evil in the Garden was Satan who possessed the body of the serpent in order to tempt Eve into disobeying God. As I said, God allowed that to happen so that Adam and Eve could make a choice about their future with the Lord.

Re: In the beginning/creation, no other being, Angel, God was made mention of but only Him. Then who are the “us” He talked about?
Again, the Lord was addressing other Members of the Trinity here, not the angels. The angels were certainly around this time, but the Lord was not addressing them. The reason we can say so is that man had, by his choice to rebel and take of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, essentially constituted himself a rival God to the Lord. He would henceforth basically look to himself as the authority on all questions of life (Ecclesiastes 7:29; Romans 7; Galatians 5:16-17).

To explain, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a tree that, just as its name went, provided anyone who ate its fruit with knowledge of good and evil. Until Adam and Eve ate of its fruit, they depended on the Lord to tell them what was good for them and what wasn't. They had no need to know anything about evil, since they were perfect and the Lord had provided for them all that they could possibly desire that was good. The tree expanded their conscience enabling them to appreciate good and evil in a far more sophisticated way than they did in the Garden where there was no evil of any kind. With such an expanded conscience, the natural tendency of man would be to decide for himself what is good and what is bad without reference to God. How? By justifying anything we prefer and condemning whatever we don't. So, we basically invent morality as it suits us. Of course, the vast majority of mankind is reluctant to do this on any great scale, but we do do it in some small ways, and there are human beings who become pure psychopaths from redefining good and evil, and during the Tribulation, the whole world will do just that when the restraint of the Holy Spirit upon evil in the world is removed and the Lord gives an empowerment of error to unbelievers to allow them to rebel to their heart's content. See Romans 1:18-2:16; Ecclesiastes 7:29; 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12; Isaiah 5:18-21.

So, this has nothing to do with the angels. Furthermore, it is clear that the Lord was speaking in order to take an executive action to forestall a situation that He did not want as the Ruler of Creation:

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Genesis 3:22-24 KJV

That is, the Lord was noting how man's new fallen state must not be allowed to become a permanent thing. This was why He drove man out of the Garden and guarded the way back to it with the Cherubim, the highest ranking angels in Heaven. If He was talking to angels, why would He need to justify any action He was about to take? Does He owe any of His Creatures any explanation for the things He decides to do? No, the Lord was merely taking a royal "decision" in the Godhead. Keep in mind that this is something of an anthropopathism though, because the Lord has always known what man would do and what He would do about it. What was written was written for our benefit, so that we can understand the Lord's Eternal Plan.

Re: Q. If Adam and Eve had not eaten of the evil tree, does this mean mankind will not know death but live forever on earth? If yes, what happens to the world ever increasing population??
Please note again that there was no evil tree.

To your question specifically, however, if neither Adam and Eve nor any of their children ever ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the human race would have expanded up to the number of the angels who rebelled against God, then the entire human race would have been resurrected to have eternal bodies that are perfect and invulnerable to any more damage or decay or trouble of any sort and the whole creation would have been resurrected too into a perfect creation devoid of anything bad at all. The problem of the earth's ability to bear the ever-increasing population does not really arise because the Lord is able to do all things. He can make the earth able to sustain all those who live on it. The Lord Jesus did feed a crowd of thousands with just five loaves of bread and two fish after all. Consider also that during the Glorious Millennium, the whole resurrected Church will live on earth with a rapidly expanding population of unresurrected human beings at a time when death will not be a particularly normal occurrence (compared to the prior 6000 years of human existence). That is, a vast population of mortal human beings - possibly exceeding the number of the whole resurrected Church - will be on earth at the same time, and it won't be a problem: in fact, the Earth then will be at its most prosperous and peaceful.

However, the Lord had a different plan. That is what we see playing out in creation and documented in the Bible.

Re: Q 2. What would have become of mankind if Adam and Eve had not eaten from the evil tree?
This is answered to considerable extent immediately above. Here I will add that each human being born in such a hypothetical world would have also had to make at least a similar choice to the one that Adam and Eve had to make. If each person chose to not disobey the Lord, then the above scenario I wrote above would have occurred, but there is no guarantee at all that every single descendant of Adam and Eve would choose like they hypothetically did and if they didn't that would raise a completely new set of hypotheticals.

The Bible says that the Lord had things happen the way that they did so that all of the human race would be given to condemnation so that He would save us all (Romans 11:32; cf. Romans 5:12-19). That is, God allowed Adam and Eve to fall so that all their children would be born needing salvation. That way, the Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus that would be made later in history would answer for everybody. If only some humans sinned and not others, the situation would have been different. Adam and Eve's rebellion ruined their mortal bodies and that ruination has been passed down to every human being born of male seed ever since. That way, our sinfulness is guaranteed. Everyone of us human beings sins given even a second of life to live. That means that we are all in need of Salvation. Therefore the Death of Jesus Christ on the Cross was for all of us.

The reason for this is that Man was created as an answer to Satan's rebellion. Satan's greatest lie to seduce the angels to join him in his rebellion was that God could not forgive sin or judge the sinner. If He forgave, He would violate His Justice. If He judged the sinner, He would violate His Mercy. The Cross of Jesus Christ proved that God can do both without violating either His Justice or His Mercy. See Ephesians 3:10-12; cf. Psalm 50:21; Isaiah 14:4-20; Ezekiel 28:12-19.

Re: ...if Adam and Eve was so easy to manipulate and made to eat from the evil tree by a mere serpent right inside the Garden of Eden, this means God’s creation(man) was ALREADY vulnerable(FLAW) even before eating the forbidden fruit.
I'm afraid I don't see how this is true at all. It's just like saying that because a good car can still suffer a crash, it was flawed to begin with. That makes no sense. Man was built perfect, without sin or weakness of any sort, but with a true free will, so that he could decide either to remain perfect and without sin and weakness or else to become sinful, weak and imperfect. Consider that this was the exact same situation with the Lord Jesus. Because His Body was produced without male seed, it was perfect and without a sin nature. But He did have a free will. He was free to choose to disobey the Father. But He never chose to do so. He remained faithful and loyal to the Father in every single way. Adam and Eve could have been the same if they wanted. We too today can be the same if we want. It is only impossible to us because we have a sinful nature now that drives us to sin in our thoughts, words, and actions at all times. That is, we actually don't want to not sin. We prefer to sin, by nature. When we believe in Jesus Christ and are thus born anew, we get the Spirit of God inside us. Then, it becomes a struggle between two natures, one that loves to sin and another that loves to obey God. Even then, we are never perfect in avoiding sin, because the other nature does get the upper hand from time to time.

So, Adam's and Eve's failure had nothing to do with their design, rather it had everything to do with their choice, just as ours today do.

Finallydead:
Adam never had the nature of God (image of God), which is the Word of God Himself (Heb 1:3) but was only made in God's likeness (resemblance in looks, design, structure and form) as the account was careful to specify(Gen 5:1). Had he had God's nature neither he nor eve would have been victims of Satan's deception, just like the Word Himself (Mt 4:3-11) proved. To give one God's nature (image/character/attribute) is to take away one's unique identity from him, which defeats the purpose of creation. You may ask about Gen 1:26, then. Take this (Gen 1:1-2:3) to be a different frame of existence only structuring than what actually happened on earth as we know it today (which began in Gen 2:4). The created objects mentioned in (Gen 1) are Divine figures of speech and the man in v26 is actually Christ not Adam, the male being Christ and the female being the bride of Christ. In the Hebrew, the word for Man(v26) and Adam are two very related words with the same spelling except the addition of an tittle on one of the letters and hence a slightly different pronunciation. In other words though Adam was symbolic of the man in v26, he isn't that man.

MuttleyLaff:
"²⁶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
[s]and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.[/s]
²⁷So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
- Genesis 1:26-27

This is a very good inquiry question. I like it and lurve how you asked it.

What do you think is the image of God and what's His likeness is Magnoliaa? Well in an oversimplified way "image of God" and "His likeness" are "Hebraism". They are Hebrew idioms and/or expressions. The "image of God" is God expressing Himself Magnoliaa. It is God projecting Himself and/or projecting the Godhead.

OK, let's do it this way, I am quite sure you're familiar with how artists express themselves with their particular form of art, even you too, do express yourself with specific hair styles or hair-dos etcetera, but if taking this image and expressing oneself thing seriously, then as regards, the "what is the image of God" question, the image of God, is about God uninhibitedly expressing Himself through giving some insight into what the Godhead is all about, with and through using the creation of man as the art form. Man is meant to be the "image of God" , as in, be a creative self-expression of the Godhead, this is God showing who He is, but this image got marred after the fall from grace, as in, the quality or appearance of the image got spoiled. The image got spoiled after Adam & Eve rejected and opposed God. The wholeness and godliness of the image got lost and broken after the fall, though fragmented pieces of it still remained

"Christ is the visible likeness of the invisible God (i.e. image that exactly reflects its source)..."
- Colossians 1:15a

"Christ is the exact likeness of the unseen God (i.e. the visible likeness of the invisible God)
He existed before God made anything at all, and, in fact, Christ himself is the Creator who made."
- Colossians 1:15

"He is the reflection of God's glory (i.e. mirror-like representation) and the exact likeness of His being"
- Hebrews 1:3a

"His Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's being (i.e. the exact representation of His nature)
He holds everything together through his powerful words.
After He had cleansed people from their sins, He received the highest position, the one next to the Father in heaven."
- Hebrews 1:3

"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.
They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News.
They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God."
- 2 Corinthians 4:4

Now about "what is His likeness" question, well Jesus is the exact likeness of God. The likeness of God is the visible spiritual attribute of the moral qualities of God, which are wisdom, power, compassion, holiness, justice, goodness and truth.

I previously said that, I am sure you made the observation that, God in Genesis 1:26 had said "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" but in Genesis 1:27, man was only made in His image, nothing about the other half, likeness is mentioned. That, it wasnt until Genesis 5:1, that the subject "likeness of God" ever surfaced, and even that likeness is shortlived, because by Genesis 5:3, when Adam had his son, the son is in Adam's likeness, after Adam's image and not anymore God's. The likeness of God because of the fall from grace, is no more there already Magnoliaa.

Colossians 1:15a, Hebrews 1:3a and 2 Corinthians 4:4 profoundly, have a sudden realization and great revelation because the trio, are talking of the living embodiment of God, about the road that leads to perfection, the road that leads to all and what is good, what God is and what God is about, Magnoliaa. Each day with Christ in our lives, we are becoming that exact likeness of God

Please continue, if necessary, to freely ask questions, maybe ask, even if just to more light shed on something or do just a plain rfi (i.e. request for information). I am online 24/7. Have a good plus blessed day and week Magnoliaa.

jcross19:
Am strong believer and I have encountered the true power of God which concreted my faith in Him. But the truth is this, the creation story in the Eden something is not adding up I may not want to go deeper because people who have a little faith. Does that mean God did not know the capacity of what He created by given them such test? Now am asking you when you have a very young baby that has just started to crawl and you tell the baby do not drink this snipper and keep the snipper beside the baby what will happen? That's what happened in that Eden according bible which is not making sense.

MuttleyLaff:
Excellent truth

Are you a learner ni?. The tree goes through judgement upon examination of its fruits

Trees are used as a metaphor for humans in that budaatum comment

Dont worry, he'll soon copy.
I spoke too soon

eaddyboy, are you aware we have an advocate before the Father. You do know what an advocate is and what role they play in a court of law, dont you, hmm?

Judgement be passed one after the other, bearing in mind how much populated we are and time consuming it will be

Also to answer your question eaddyboy, do you know Adam and Eve were not created like babies or 3 year olds.

Adam was a grown man. He and Eve were not made children nor childish. Adam and Eve did not gradually change physically or progress to maturity as we have children would do. Adam and Eve were created fully grown, made and developed to be responsible for their actions. Their minds were endowed with accelerated knowledge and so capable to be completely responsible for what they did or not do. So eaddyboy, if evidently, Adam was subjected to an accelerated learning process or program, what is stopping God in conducting an accelerated seating or fast track judgement hearing, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Adam and Eve were made fully grown and/or developed to be responsible for their actions
They are completely responsible for what they did or not do

Their minds were endowed with accelerated knowledge

Unlike johnydon22 who doesnt, I am glad you accept and agree they were not children

Adam was a grown man. He and Eve were not made children nor childish

Adam and Eve did not gradually change physically or progress to maturity as a child would do

Man's knowledge can go beyond his experience. The acquistion of knowledge doesnt all have to be experiential (i.e. first-hand) People are known to learn from other people's experience. Besides God taught Adam well and well enough. Adam had the best Teacher, at his disposal to throw questions at in a quest to gain more knowledge.

Evidently, Adam was subjected to an accelerated learning process or program, which purposeful was to allow him to think and make reflective judgment(s) concerning what to believe or what not to believe.

So Adam was imparted with enough information by God to make informed decisions like whether or not, to choose to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good or evil

Inspite of their thinking abilities and/or reasoning capabilities, Eve was deceived but as for Adam, he wasnt deceived, he, Adam, deliberately decided to mis-behave

Maximus69:
Five questions in all!

(1) God wasn't alone during the creation of heaven and earth. Before other things God first made a spirit being {Colossians 1:15-16} who was working beside him as a master craftsman {Proverbs 8:22,30}, this was the one later referred to as the WORD who also served as God{John 1:1} But he directed all glory and honour to the one who made him and gave him all that he had! John 20:17

(2) Image here refers to attributes not structure!
Of all the creatures made on earth, only one had God's attributes like
Power think and do great things
Wisdom plan ahead for future
Justice distinguish right and wrong
Love appreciate live of other creatures
Mercy overlook the shortcomings of others

No other creature have these Godly (virtuous) qualities except humans!

(3)Genesis 1 is a short summary while two came to specify who is greater between the two specie of humans male and female! So God added the accounts in chapter 2 to make humans know the reason why man and woman must come together and who is to take the lead in decision making! Genesis 2:15-25

(4)Yes Adam and Eve wouldn't have grown old neither die, then the population will be slower than ever because each man and his wife will continue to enjoy their youthfulness for thousands of years before thinking of procreation. Unlike now that each person is speeding to have children in fear that they're going to expire! We can confirm this in the Bible accounts to see how long people do stay before thinking of having children {Genesis 5:4,8}

(5) Adam purposely chose to be independent of God's guidance, but if he has had children before eating of the forbidden fruit, God wouldn't have permitted this infected couple to bear any child afterwards because such a child will die like Adam and Eve! They would have enjoyed the food, friendship, explore the earth, had great sex but the ability to procreate won't be available for them!

So they would have lived to see their uninfected children remain ever youthful while they themselves are growing old and weak until they expire and it would have served as a warning to the entire human race!

Adam and Eve were PERFECT creatures just like angels, there was nothing to make them fear like sickness, infection, natural disaster or death of any kind! They chose to rebel against their Creator, that's why he also deprive them of the antidote of death! Genesis 3:22-24

Today there is GOOD NEWS!

God promised to make the tree of life grow again so that obedient mankind can eat to neutralize the venom of death in us! Revelations 22:2

What you need to do so that you too may benefit from God's undeserved kindness (grace) is discussed every week in the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, that's why they're always coming to invite you to study God's word with them and become part of the happy global family of peace loving worshippers that Jesus fervently prayed to his father to make possible! John 17:20-23

We are ever ready to help you learn about the past, present and future of mankind! Matthew 28:19-20

God bless you!

MuttleyLaff:
Everything in the creation story in the garden of Eden adds up, but to a not fully informed it might seem not.

Of course, the Omniscient, Omni know all, Omni know everything God knows the capacity of what He created and this is so much so, more the reason why the not covered up and/or not hidden, strategically placed centrally, in the garden, test was before them, lol, then the stand back. To stand back, is a God special modus operandi, lol. If you doubt that, God stands back, then be prepared and ready to answer the question about how did the first sin come about, lol? I am not talking of Adam and Eve's sin, but I am asking the question specifically about and/or talking of Satan's sin, lol.
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MuttleyLaff:
Everything in the creation story in the garden of Eden adds up, but to a not fully informed it might seem not.

Of course, the Omniscient, Omni know all, Omni know everything God knows the capacity of what He created and this is so much so, more the reason why the not covered up and/or not hidden, strategically placed centrally, in the garden, test was before them, lol, then the stand back. To stand back, is a God special modus operandi, lol. If you doubt that, God stands back, then be prepared and ready to answer the question about how did the first sin come about, lol? I am not talking of Adam and Eve's sin, but I am asking the question specifically about and/or talking of Satan's sin, lol.
cc stupidity

solite3:
op beware of Jehovah false teaching read pls attend a good bible teaching church where they teach sound teaching, like the trinity salvation by faith in Jesus, sanctification and all the whole counsel of God.
@ bolded

Job 9:8
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.




Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

God was alone in genesis created the heavens and the earth there was no other spirit being with him.

jcross19:
Am strong believer and I have encountered the true power of God which concreted my faith in Him. But the truth is this , the creation story in the eden something is not adding up I may not want to go deeper because people who have a little faith.does that mean God did not know the capacity of what He created by given them such test? Now am asking you when you have a very young baby that has just started to crawl and you tell the baby do not drink this snipper and keep the snipper beside the baby what will happen? That's what happened in that Eden according bible which is not making sense.

Maximus69:
All you just need is present what you have, Jesus said "Wisdom is justified by her children" Luke 7:35



So there's no need depriving people from saying or listening to words about God{Act 14:19, 24:5-6} God will judge whoever profane his holy name! Act 12:21-23

Please Sir do you believe (trust) in this words?

solite3:
Jesus or Angel micheal? Why dont you tell him that your Jesus is Angel Micheal?

jcross19
Am strong believer and I have encountered the true power of God which concreted my faith in Him. But the truth is this , the creation story in the eden something is not adding up I may not want to go deeper because people who have a little faith.does that mean God did not know the capacity of what He created by given them such test? Now am asking you when you have a very young baby that has just started to crawl and you tell the baby do not drink this snipper and keep the snipper beside the baby what will happen? That's what happened in that Eden according bible which is not making sense.

MuttleyLaff:
What do you think is the image of God and what's His likeness is Magnoliaa? Well in an oversimplified way "image of God" and "His likeness" are "Hebraism".

...but this image got marred after the fall from grace, as in, the quality or appearance of the image got spoiled.

1. God used seven days to complete the reconstruction of the universe for the creation of man, not because He needed the time (the first perfect creation He made before creating the angels was made in an instant, in which He created space, time, matter, and energy all at once in the form of the vast perfect universe of that epoch), but because He was leaving a testimony to the length of man's history. Each day of creation represents a full millennium of human history. Human history is meant to last seven thousand years in all.

Re: Q. Who was God referring to as “our” when He alone was and is the only God??

1. Re: Q 2. If God created man in His own image, does it mean man was once like God or should I say man was God on earth?
2. Re: Q. Is the creation of Adam and Eve same as the creation of man in genesis chapter 1 vs 27 to 29?
3. Re: ...if Adam and Eve was so easy to manipulate and made to eat from the evil tree by a mere serpent right inside the Garden of Eden, this means God’s creation(man) was ALREADY vulnerable(FLAW) even before eating the forbidden fruit.

Maximus69:
Fully competent and completely equipped Bible scholars sticks to the TOPIC of discuss Sir! 2Timothy 3:16-17

That's what shows how efficacious one is when answering those who ask questions regarding FAITH! Matthew 7:7

As i said earlier you only need to present your own understanding regarding the question of the OP, trying to shut another person down is Pharisaic in nature! Act 24:5

True Christianity is not what the world accepted, so it's the grace of God that those finding it had! Matthew 7:14 compared to John 7:44-50

God bless you!

solite3:
why are you running? Jehovah witness society is a cult some of your teachings you hide from the public so as to expose your true nature.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm it's good that you're not the one asking questions to gain insight, so the fruit is obvious!

But for the sake of other followers, i'll answer you.

Worshippers of the true God as one people have been given different GROUP names in the past.

Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Job all served God but weren't given any rule to organize them with other faithful ones that lived with them as their contemporaries.

It all began with the twelve tribes of Jacob's sons called "Israelites", God for the first time told Pharaoh of Egypt "let my PEOPLE go"!

Later Satan deceived these people and they were separated into two nations, Northern ten tribes called "Samaritans" and Southern two tribes called "Jews". God never accepted all the twelve as his people anymore but his spirit was with the Southern two tribes "Jews". Jesus confirmed this when a Samaritan woman asked him if God accepted the worship of both nations! John 4:22

Then Jesus arrived and started teaching the Jews the new covenant { Matthew 10:6,15:24, Jeremiah 31-34} but just few Jews accepted Jesus' teachings and God's people (those who embraced Christ) began bearing another name "Christians"! Act 11:26

Then Satan again planted weeds (false worshippers) amongst God's people (Christians) {Matthew 13:24-30} Jesus allowed both the fine seed (Christians) and the weeds (false worshippers) to continue until he began ruling in heaven in the year 1914! That's when he now turned his attention to his followers on earth to cleanse the spiritual Temple (Christianity).
But since the weeds also bears the same group name with true worshippers, God changed the name of his worshippers once again in this end time to "Jehovah's Witnesses" Isaiah 65:15 compared to Isaiah 43:10-12

So from Abel till date all of us are Jehovah's Witnesses Sir, you can read the Bible book of Hebrew 11:4-12:1 to confirm this!

Note those GROUP names from start to finish

©Israelites
©Jews
©Christians
©Jehovah's Witnesses
Each time Satan tries to incorporate his agents into God's own arrangement, the group name changes to help honest hearted observers IDENTIFY those practicing pure worship!


God bless you Sir!

ABCthingx:
I like you analogy
Sir what did Christ say will happen to the weeds?

Maximus69:
Welcome one of Jehovah's Witnesses and start studying the Bible with my brothers, all your questions will surely be answered! Matthew 7:7
God bless you!

ABCthingx:
No oh! There is no JW around here now! And I need the answer now! now! now! now!

Maximus69:
Sorry you're not the one who opened this thread to ask questions, if you now feel like asking more from JWs then you must welcome JWs for more information or forget it!

ABCthingx:
SMH

solite3:
op beware of Jehovah false teaching read pls attend a good bible teaching church where they teach sound teaching, like the trinity salvation by faith in Jesus, sanctification and all the whole counsel of God.
@ bolded

Job 9:8
Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.


Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

God was alone in genesis created the heavens and the earth there was no other spirit being with him.

solite3:
Jesus or Angel micheal? Why dont you tell him that your Jesus is Angel Micheal?

solite3:
why are you running? Jehovah witness society is a cult some of your teachings you hide from the public so as to expose your true nature.
Note: why did you stylisly avoid the fact that Your Jesus is not the Son of God but micheal the archangel.
You deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ dismissing it as a facade.
What do you know about true Christianity? Jehovah witness are not Christian in any way, you all are antichristian, Jesus hater and God hater, If you dont repent you will die and go to hell fire.
Jesus is Almighty God whether you lots deny or hate him he is the only Saviour.

jcross19:
Am strong believer and I have encountered the true power of God which concreted my faith in Him. But the truth is this , the creation story in the eden something is not adding up I may not want to go deeper because people who have a little faith.does that mean God did not know the capacity of what He created by given them such test? Now am asking you when you have a very young baby that has just started to crawl and you tell the baby do not drink this snipper and keep the snipper beside the baby what will happen? That's what happened in that Eden according bible which is not making sense.

ABCthingx:
So all those after Christ before 1914 were weeds? Do you even realize you're saying God is incapable of keeping his people and his word?
Okay, I want to hear what story they feed you guys with that made Christ not to return 3 times as your Oga predicted.

shadeyinka:
Please ignore Maximus else the thread will be derailed into Christians Vs JWs arguments. Their tactics is, once he feels a little heat, he'll calls the others JWs like a pack of hyena to join him in clogging the thread with meaningless cyclic arguments while they avoid answering your own questions

Maximus69:
Glory be to God that the OP openly threw his questions out to "Bible Scholars"!

And i for my part only addressed the issues raised by the OP based on what i know from the Bible. It's those intercepting my response that should explain why the IGNORED the Questions OP asked to start criticizing the response of another Bible scholar!

You yourself said
"i attend a Church, but the doctrines of my Church doesn't define me"

Which means even though you worship together with a group, you're not to be hold responsible or questioned for what such a group teaches!

So why must different individuals from various forms of religion claiming Christians having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings all suddenly form alliance to begin antagonizing the comments of an individual who also claim to be a Christian? Matthew 10:22, John 17:14-16

Do all these antagonists have the same line of thought, so that the one been criticized needed to adopt the same doctrine as they do? Act 23:6-8

Jesus prayed fervently to his heavenly father because he knew that Satan will come into his group to introduce various forms of worship, doctrines and teachings {Matthew 13:25}. So what was Jesus' main point in his lengthy prayer?

Well according to the gospel of John, Jesus prayed for all his earthly followers to have the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

While those other false groups who might also be claiming Christians will have various thoughts yet they'll form alliance against Jesus' group who are of one single line of thought! John 17:14-16

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, whatever you hear from Maximus is the same response you'll get from all JWs across the globe!
Each member should be held accountable for what the group teaches! Act 24:5
That's why your folks left the OP's quest only to start asking impromptu questions from Maximus whose global organization is known to have one unique teaching! Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

Jesus said "you will know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH will set you free" John 8:32

I'm using this medium to appeal to all you rebellious worshipers of different groups to repent and accept the TRUTH (Jesus) because it's totally wrong for you to be associating with a large number of people for sacred reasons only to say i'm not to be addressed or held accountable for the teachings of my Church" Psalms 1:1

That is the bait Satan is using to make people join his host of "workers of inequity", it simply means "you don't want to SUBMIT to any rule even while claiming to be a worshiper of the God of Moses who is known for giving his people rules to govern all of them as ONE" Matthew 7:23

May God open your eyes in Jesus name Amen!

Janosky:
Malachi 3:1
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before me; and the Lord
whom ye seek will suddenly come to his
temple, and the Angel of the covenant,
whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh,
saith Jehovah of hosts."

Who is the angel of the covenant?
Angel>son of God.
Is Jesus Christ the son of God ? Rev3:5,12. John20:17.

2 Thess 1:7-9. 1 Thess4:16, Matt 24:30,31 who leads other sons of God with an archangel's voice?

Janosky:
Solite3 LIAR.
Angel> son of God. Deal with it, lying solite3.
2 Thess 1:7-9. 1 Thess4:16, Matt 24:30,31.
Malachi 3:1.

1 Peter3:18 Jesus died in the flesh, resurrected in the spirit realm.

* Fictitious claims of a triune pagan deity devotee. Is Adam suffering eternal torture in hellfire?
Your deity is a servant in heaven still obeying the command of his God ,"Sit at my right hand".
Hebrew 10:12,13. Psalm 110:1(ASV).

shadeyinka:
Please ignore maximus else the thread will be derailed into Christians Vs JWs arguments. Their tactics is, once he feels a little heat, he'll calls the others JWs like a pack of hyena to join him in clogging the thread with meaningless cyclic arguments while they avoid answering your own questions

shadeyinka:
If you look deeper, you'll see it makes sense.
1. The world is an exam centre and a place for selection of diserable souls
2. Man was given freewill/volition
3. BUT volition is meaningless without the ability to Choose

The question really is, did God know that Adam and Eve will disobey and partake of the fruit?
YES!
But it serves Gods purpose at the end because humans can choose where their loyalty will be despite the evil and difficulties they woupld encounter in the world.

At the end of the day, there would be a harvest of those who in spite of their lot(good or bad) love God and desire to do his will. Those are the ones chosen out of God's creation for special use as "sons of God"

jcross19:
it did not make any sense bro. Then why sending your only son to die on the cross for the sin of mankind ? All the stories don't make any sense. Creation stories are full of flaws.