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Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Donald95(m): 8:35am On Mar 08, 2020 |
What exactly was Gods plan for putting the forbidden fruit in the garden and also, was there no Angel that saw the Lucifer when it came? Lalasticlala mynd44 richiez Dominique OAM4J Seun |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Donald95(m): 8:42am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Hkk6969:Yes. Haven't you seen it in your bible before? |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Ladylite: 8:51am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Donald95:God put the tree in the garden because it was a tree that they were supposed to eat. But not at that time. Temptation is simply what we naturally are meant to have or do or become prematurely given to us by the wrong means. So the devil tempted them. If the devil didn't do that, they would still eat it later at God's instruction. Premature satisfaction is the basis of the Satan's temptation 1 Like |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Donald95(m): 8:57am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Ladylite: Even Jesus knows how hard this place is even after all the power manifestations of God in the old testament man still can't defeat devils defeat and that's why he sent Holy Spirit as a helper. Then imagine Adam and Eve with innocent virgin minds vs Lucifer the Ancient tricky serpent that has been existing before man. How exactly did you think Adam and Eve could have scaled through 1 Like |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by glowingflame7: 8:59am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Is like asking why there is test or examination. Do teachers want us to fail? Or why is man born as a weak small baby in need of breast milk and immunisation? 1 Like |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Ladylite: 9:03am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Donald95: Adam and Eve had the same life that God had..... So why should they not scale through. Read your Bible. Even ate the fruit and nothing happened to her. It was when Adam ate that their eyes opened. It's simple. For eve it was a temptation but for Adam it was a choice to betray God and disobey Him. 1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Thats what the Bible says. So what do you think. Remember Adam was right there when the serpent came to talk to Eve and Adam didn't rebuke or resist or even correct eve. He allowed it happen, he made his choice to deliberately disobey God. So don't come here asking how they could have scaled through.... God does not get surprises, he knew what he put in them could overcome the devil easily but Adam chose to fall. 2 Likes |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Donald95(m): 9:14am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Ladylite: Adam was like God in physical structure and eternal life not in Wisdom. Ancient Serpent Satan is very deceitful and that's why Jesus sent down his holy spirit to help man out when he is gone. Imagine Adam and eve with no such Spirit and Guardian angel? Nothing happened when Eve ate the apple because maybe she was not there when the instruction was given. |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Ladylite: 9:24am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Donald95: See stop reading your mind in to the Bible. I already gave a scripture that clearly shows ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED.... If you can't accept that as wisdom then forget quoting me. You just looking for empty chatter today. So where was eve, see Eve was in Adam. And both of them were one. Eve was only a weaker vessel. How dare you speak with such emptiness. Same Adam who named all creatures without God's help yet was accurate in naming them with the same name God had in mind.... Yet you say he was not wise? So when God breathed into him was the breath(spirit) foooolish? Ogbeni if you don't know bible stop bringing empty logic up 2 Likes |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Kenneth4u205(m): 10:26am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Donald95:blogger linda ikeji bought a car for her new born baby .the car is meant for the baby to use when he attend a certain age and goes through driving school .if the baby stupidly decide to use the car at the age of 7 without any driving experience,he Will end up killing himself in a car accident.that was what Satan does to Adam and eve .he gave them a knowledge that they are not yet mature enough to handle.God intend to give them that fruit when they have attend a certain level of maturity .You don't give a loaded gun to your 3 years old boy to play with as toy .he will end up killing everyone or himself. |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Nobody: 10:33am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Donald95: It wasn't a literal fruit, it simply means the decision to abandon God's guidance and turn away from him! Eve first made the decision in Adam's absence and when Adam came she presented the idea, Adam welcomed the new development and their first decision was to alienate themselves from God as in making God a stranger to them! That's why they told him "we are naked" meaning "we don't want you loitering around us anymore, we demand PRIVACY" In the real sense, their eyes wasn't open to knowing better but worse things, you can imagine two creatures made by God telling him "we are naked" please what part of their body is not visible to the one who doesn't need eyes or a special lence to see all their private parts? So in the real sense, Satan only succeeded in making them rebel against their owner so that he could take over from there, and ever since then Satan has become the ruler of Adam's descendants {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} except those who stubbornly refuse to succumb to his rule, and he's ready to make life miserable for such ones! Revelations 12:17 Of course Adam was older than Eve and he is the one God directly spoke to about the figurative fruit NOT Eve, it was Adam that passed on the information to Eve. This same thing happened on a much more intense situation, while Satan has no power to inflict any pain on Adam and Eve because they were perfect, he had every power to inflict pain on imperfect descendants of Adam because they've become his slaves through sin! So when he tempted Job (a faithful man) Job never gave in to Satan's baits, even when Job's wife asked him to "curse God" Job maintained his integrity IN PAINS! Such faithful servants of God have beaten Satan hands down and proved that Adam decisively chose to become a rebel! Thanks, God bless you! 1 Like |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Inteltower: 11:08am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Donald95: if what your intention is to point accusing fingers on God then you are a mad man wasn't king Solomon wise yet what happened ? wasn't it a heavenly wisdom from God himself Adam although innocent was wise but as always got deceived by a the Godhead status Satan promised him like he did towards the angels he deceived |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Inteltower: 11:09am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Maximus69: word bro |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Inteltower: 11:17am On Mar 08, 2020 |
Ladylite: you shouldn't be asking this question.. rather you would ask why couldn't Adam obey one simple instruction ? whether or not the tree was there it didn't remove the fact that we all had free will and could likely disobey God. that was one of the forseable consequences God saw before creating the being he gave Free will. God is the best mathematician and he knew there was the possibility of disobedience whether from Angels or humans. was there a tree purposely made to make Satan fall or rebel against God ? certainly no..so with or without the tree..it was still a possibility for man to disobey God .and clearly Adam who had personal encounter with God just like Satan who when in heaven was close to God still chose to disobey him. let us get understanding and there in u will find truth |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Nobody: 12:14pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Ladylite: This escalated quickly. Has it occurred to any of you that the story of the Garden of Eden did not happen literally like that? After the Bible made us aware that the name Adam meant mankind and the name Eve, meant mother of mankind. |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by SundayIgbanke: 12:53pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
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Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by kingxsamz(m): 1:19pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
God put it there because his plan was for Adam and Eve to eat it... EOD 1 Like |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by kingxsamz(m): 1:21pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
glowingflame7: But how can you test when you already know the end result? What's the need? And if you already know the end result, why not make changes? |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by kingxsamz(m): 1:25pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Ladylite: Quick question. Did God know that Adam and Eve would fall for the temptation? It's a yes or no answer. |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by kingxsamz(m): 1:29pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Maximus69: God doesn't need eyes or special lens to see through one's unclothedness, but he was unable to tell if Adam and Eve would disobey him before creating them. Smh |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by kingxsamz(m): 1:34pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Kenneth4u205: Eh but God knew that putting Adam in that garden with the fruit was like putting a baby beside a loaded gun, so why didn't he prevent it? |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Jozzy4: 4:42pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Sir, Freewill can only be exercised where there are multiple choices ... So the tree there points to their ability to either obey their Creator or not. in the absence of that tree and command, they are robots And Concerning if he knows, I gave a reply on this on your other thread about Satan. Jozzy4 |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by kingxsamz(m): 5:09pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Jozzy4: No wonder he has turned deaf ears to the cries of the innocent... No wonder children keep dying. No wonder earthquakes keeps destroying our lands. No wonder a plane which conveys school children traveling home for holiday would crash... Because God has refused to know and prevent it. I don't see the use of God then... If he can prevent all these before they happen and choose not to because of Freewill which he created himself, then he's not a loving God, or a God worth worshipping. You better free yourself from the shackles of the white man's religion brought to keep you in mental slavery and bondage.... |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by MuttleyLaff: 5:30pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Ladylite:"From the lips of babes and infants you have established strength, because of your adversaries, that you might silence the enemy and the avenger." - Psalm 8:2 Wow, coming from such a young beauty with brains. I just had to do the needful and stamp likes on the comments there straightaway kingxsamz:Capital and resounding YES. Art, Freedom and Creativity, lol, Man is Art and without freedom of choice, there is no true impetus ... to encourage creativity. Donald95:Dont get it twisted now, because freedom is the right to be wrong and not the right to do wrong. Adam was and got it wrong thinking nothing has happened to Eve after eating of the fruit from TKG&E. He didnt know, the color of the bird, whether its white or black coming out from the pocket, talkless know a bird in the first place, was coming out, lol |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by kingxsamz(m): 5:40pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
kingxsamz: MuttleyLaff: But your colleague @ Jozzy4 said God didn't know because he choose not to know, and here you are claiming he knew. Is it just me, or are the both of you utterly confused and unsure of what you believe in? Smh Besides, if God knew, then God is at fault for not preventing it. He knew, and still went ahead to test them, what for? Smh... |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by MuttleyLaff: 6:51pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
kingxsamz:"I declare the end from the beginning, and ancient times from what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and all My good pleasure I will accomplish.’" - Isaiah 46:10 God is Omniscient, as in meaning, is All-knowing. Knowing everything and knows everything. God also is not a purposeless Being. It will be inresponsible of God allow or create anything without having no aim or plan, lol. It will be a wanton act of mindless vandalism to create and make things with no discernible point or purpose. Who in their right sense, does that, hmm? Nobody, nobody in their right sense does, and that includes God even, lol. Regardless of God knowing anyone is going to rebel and/or be a bitch or jerk, God still respects your right to existence, your right to partake life, experience life, enjoy life to the fullest etcetera, so God allows yours and everybody's creation, regardless of knowing in advance everything about everyone, lol. kingxsamz: MuttleyLaff:Neither is utterly confused or unsure of what we believe in. Its the altitude, positioning, line of sight or angle of direction thats different, lol. kingxsamz:C'mon, why not just at least be fair to God nah, hmm? Did God warn or not warn Adam against eating off the TKG&E, hmm? kingxsamz:The test was there and done to validate A&E |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Donald95(m): 8:59pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Inteltower: I am not pointing accusing finger on God, but am trying to understand how it played out. King Solomon was a wise man but Satan is a being you can defeat with wisdom. His offer demands a stronger spirit to help u resist it. glowingflame7: Even with Holy spirit, True Miracles in the bible e.t.c , mighty men of God still do fall for Satans deceitfulness. Talk of Adam and Eve. Remember, God knows the End from the beginning. Remember also, according to Bible, Satan was still in Heaven. So, It came directly from Heaven to cause man to sin and then go back to heaven. So, why the curses on man ?? Seun Lalasticlala mynd44 richiez Dominique |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Nobody: 9:08pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Atheists and reasoning for God's sake! What has the ability to see beyond clothing got to do with what a creature given freewill can do in the next minute? |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by Donald95(m): 9:23pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Maximus69:Am not Atheist, but he made a good point. Remember, their is a law in every country that prevents a minor (Inexperienced and ignorant) to engage in sex with an adult (experienced) Despite the fact the minor has the right to choose his or her decisions. You don't expect Adam and Eve to be able to resist Satan that has been existing for so long, who contributed opinion when man was about to be made and also who knows every material used in making man |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by MuttleyLaff: 9:57pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
Donald95:Whether you're an atheist or not doesnt mean you cant air an opinion, regardless of if its a good point or not a good point. You dont have to drop an "I am not Atheist" disclaimer, lol Donald95:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] If you're experienced enough to give animals name, then you're experienced enough to know the difference between to steal and/or not to steal, lol. Pftt. I never once read anywhere in the Bible, A&E ever querying God that why did He in the first place put the TKG&E in the middle of the Garden of Eden. MuttleyLaff: Donald95:Of course A&E had the capability of resisting Satan, but just was that they underachieved and squandered the potential inside or within, that God gave them. |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by glowingflame7: 10:10pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
kingxsamz: It's like steel is tested or clay or gold is tested/toughened in the fire. The known end result cones out as a result of the test. 1 Like |
Re: Bible Scholars Help Out : Why Did God Put Such Fruit In The Garden by MuttleyLaff: 10:15pm On Mar 08, 2020 |
kingxsamz:You have to go through the process to in order to pass on changes glowingflame7:Besides that, lessons, lol, are even learned during and/or after the test |
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