solite3:
where is it in the bible that God is not subject to another person?

Barristter07:


Humans are sharers of DIVINE NATURE. You are the liar , Just as You and I share the same human nature, Humans also share the same Divine nature with God. 2Pet 1:4 . I demand an answer: Are they not EQUAL with God ?

Barristter07:

Then are you disputing it's not among the " Nobody knows " ? Either it's a person and among the Nobody that knows or it's not even a person thus omitted


Only the Father knows, agree ?

Or do you mean Jesus lied only the Father knows ? If holy spirit ( another person in this case ) also know.

Barristter07:


None is Greater than him . Hebrew 6:13 , To be subjected is to have someone greater than you . He doesn't have any . But Jesus is subjected to another person, someone is greater than him .

solite3:

Non is greater than him, how does it mean he cant subject himself to others if he wants? And infact he did it when Jesus became man and subject himself to death, Nobody can subject him except he submits himself.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Barristter07:


Jesus case is a matter of Obedience, emphasis on " Command " . He can choose to refuse , Like Satan did .

But show me a single scripture where the Father was subjected to the command of another person ?

solite3:

Here is part of my previous reply,

Matthew 21:19
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

Matthew recorded that Jesus saw only the leaves. Does that mean Jesus didnt see the branch, trunk or pehaps the roots. In other to understand scriptural passages we need to read contextually and in this case the issue was Jesus was looking for the fruit and since in most cases the fruit was wrapped in the leaves which he was supposed to see but he saw only the leaves with no fruit.

solite3:
that is because Jesus placed himself to be servant.
Jesus was the one who made himself a servant.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Barristter07:


Same reason why the Matthew 24:36 didn't say animals know or not, humans know or not, It focuses on PERSONS IN THE UNIVERSE. It doesn't mention you and I either, it only capture everyone by saying " NOBODY except the Father only "

Three options here

1. Either Holy spirit knows and Jesus lied

Or 2. holy spirit is a person and among the " Nobody knows "

3 holy spirit is not a person thus omitted from the list

Barristter07:


My servant whom I have chosen - Isaiah 42:1

The Father is Greater than I . ( John 14:28) Go and sleep solite3. He isn't Almighty , Even in the future he will still be subjected to the Almighty ( 1 Cor 15:27 )

solite3:
Philippians said Jesus made himself a servant which shows he was Almighty God.

Psalms 119:91 They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all are thy servants.

All things in the universe are God's servants by default but imagine Jesus had to make himself a servant, why?

Because he was never a creature, he was never a servant he is God Almighty, he took his decision by himself to make himself a servant.

Even the Father recognise and called him God and commanded all angels to worship him.

solite3:
no Jesus was not focus on persons in the universes but he was specific
He didnt mention the demons or devils eithe.
Jesus was specific, he mentioned angels, men and himself the Son bit excluded the holy Spirit.

He only mention those who are ministers of God to men, Jesus is a minister of God, the heavenly angels are all ministers, men are also God's ministers as priests and prophets but God didnt reveal the time to none of Them, so the it remains with the father only who reveals things.
Demons are not ministers of God so they are excluded in christ discourse, the holy Spirit is not a ministering spirit but God himself hence was never included.

Maximus69:


OK i see, heaven and earth will join together on planet "Ken4Christ"

Hmmmmmmmmm


You understand too much my friend, just that you can't go out to your neighbor's homes to preach and teach them all these ideas in your head.

Perhaps you need more holy ghost to spur you with zeal so that people can SEE your religious group {Matthew 5:14-16} just as they're seeing Jehovah's Witnesses in their homes throughout the earth! Matthew 10:11-15, 24:14

Ken4Christ:


Revelation, Chapters 21 & 22 reveals the merger. The New Jerusalem will come down from heaven to earth. The throne of God and of Jesus will be there. And God himself shall be with us. Please read both chapters carefully.

Barristter07:


Wrong, verse 6 says He was not equal with God . Never Almighty .



Jesus didn't make himself a servant, He was obeying A COMMAND.

Two options, he can choose to obey or reject . But he chosed to obey

The Almighty never gets command from anyone .



Rev 3:14 says he was a creature . The beginning of the creation of God. Let me ask: What exactly was created through The Father ?



The Father called humans God, in the saying Yes are God's . and even ask Jesus order that they are worshipped, Can u beat that ? Rev 3:9

Barristter07:

But the Son wasn't God himself , yet included find another lie . By saying nobody knows, he has captured all person's in the universe. So stop this story

The Father is not Holy spirit , as far as Trinity is concerned they are different person's, He didn't say ONLY God knows, that way you can play your gimmicks and tricks and try to include all into the word " God " . But he was specific, Only the Father .

Is Holy spirit the Father ?

solite3:
the father never commanded the son to become a servant nowhere is it in the bible.
By the way the fact that he had to become a servant proves he was never a servant.

" All things were created by the father" because the father himself participated in the act of creation but the act was through the Son.

Jesus is the source of God's creation Revelation 3vv14

Barristter07:


Giving his life as a man, This commandment I receive from the Father , So u didn't read that in your Bible ?

It also says all things are created through the Father, what exactly was created through the Father ?

solite3:

Answer: Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming, Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God (John 1:1, 14), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes (Philippians 2:6–8 ). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father (John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25; 3:13), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18; Acts 1:7).

Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 10:30; 12:49; 14:28, 31; and Matthew 26:39, 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see Philippians 2:5-11). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

kilisi:


I only need one clarification please and I need a straight to the point answer, not beating about the bush.

Who resurrected Jesus from death?

solite3:


God the Father through the holy Spirit.

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

kilisi:


Great response.
Do you now agree that the father and son are separate entities?

Maximus69:


If you're ready to reason from the scriptures just signify by asking thought provoking questions.

The throne of God and of Jesus will forever remain in heaven, but it's God's authority that will rule throughout the earth. That's what it simply means!

If a foreigner is coming to any place in Nigeria, the first thing he needs to get is the passport and visa, with this the stranger can move freely in any part of Nigeria! But where comes the authority to get him arrested if he fails to do this?
ABUJA!

The seat of power is in Abuja but the authority is over all the nooks and crannies of Nigeria!
It's the same with God's Kingdom, Jesus will always be in heaven with his father but his authority will extend to all the corners of the earth!

solite3:
show me in the bible where God commanded Jesus to be a servant?

see confusion, why are you asking me when, you already stated that All things were created through the Father?

Mr barrister believe it or not you are already proving that Jesus and his father are one because you have stated that All things were created through the Father and again all things are created through the Son and same for the Holy Ghost.
Meaning Jesus, The Father and The Holy Ghost are One God.

Barristter07:




John 6:38
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 14:31
But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.


Sent , Been commanded . " Go "




One what ? One SAME PERSON ?

If they are not same person , then what was created through the Father ?

solite3:
the issue is not God sending Jesus but the fact that Jesus took humbled himself to take on that position whereby he could be sent by God.

solite3:
separate persons yes, but one God

solite3:


(1).
the father never commanded the son to become a servant nowhere is it in the bible.
By the way the fact that he had to become a servant proves he was never a servant.

(2)
All things were created by the father" because the father himself participated in the act of creation but the act was through the Son.

(3).
Jesus is the source of God's creation Revelation 3vv14

solite3:
the father never commanded the son to become a servant nowhere is it in the bible.
By the way the fact that he had to become a servant proves he was never a servant.
" All things were created by the father" because the father himself participated in the act of creation but the act was through the Son.
Jesus is the source of God's creation Revelation 3vv14

Janosky:
(1).
Psalm 110:1, who gave the command "Sit at my right hand"?
Hebrew 10:12,13, Who obeyed the command?
What's the place or location where the command was given?
Acts 3:13, who is the servant?

Janosky:
(2).TRUE.

Janosky:
(3).
NOT true.
Your (2) CONTRADICTS (3).
Proof of Source>"All things were created by the father". Source>The Father.
John5:26, The Source is the Father.

Janosky:
* For instance, Janosky (J) bought a car through Solite3, (S),between (J) & (S) who is the source of the bought car?

solite3:
The trinity might prove difficult for humans to understand, yes God is infinitely beyond us, humans, if we are to know anything about God it must be base on his own terms. We do not need to fully comprehend God all that is needed is the truth. A two years old can struggle to understand the knowledge of a university professor but the fact he cannot do so doesnt mean it is wrong. The trinity teaching was directly derived from the bible through the revelation of the holy Spirit.
That God exist in three persons but yet one being and one essence is a mystery to human everyday knowledge or understanding but nevertheless biblically true. God is one being but in three distinct or separate individuals who can interact among themselves as separate persons but yet essentially one being God.
example a beam of light consisting of three rays of different colors, each ray is equally light but together is still light the only difference is the color, no color is greater than any

The beam represent God as a being of one essence by the ray of different colors represents the different persons of the Godhead. The trinity together is God Almighty, individually they are still God Almighty

@ bolded the answer to your question lies in the issue of roles, although they can act together as in the case of the creation of man in Genesis or they can take on roles. The work of Salvation for example, was done base on different roles, there are things met only for the father, likewise things met for the Son and things met only for the Spirit. One of such is the times and seasons for the fulfillment of specific plans which was met for the father. Note carefully, that Jesus said no man, no angel, himself but the father only he did not mention the holy Spirit, so his saying only the father he is certainly not excluding the holy Spirit but excluding those he mentioned.

For example,

Matthew 21:19
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

Matthew recorded that Jesus saw only the leaves. Does that mean Jesus didnt see the branch, trunk or pehaps the roots. In other to understand scriptural passages we need to read contextually and in this case the issue was Jesus was looking for the fruit and since in most cases the fruit was wrapped in the leaves which he was supposed to see but he saw only the leaves with no fruit.

Jesus is called the God-man because he has both the human nathure and the God nature. As a man he was less than God, not omniscent or omnipotent, was hungry, he was just as you and I but the difference was that he had no sin and never committed any sin, in fact needed the power of the holy Spirit so he could fulfill his ministry and he himself often fast and pray before he could do some miracles.


As the God-man he could restrict himself as a man or as God, He was fully God and fully man.

@bolded, how do you mean, Jesus was already on earth when he said he does not know the time of his coming. It is not contradictory that Jesus does not know when he would come.

the rights Jesus received was his honor ,glory and authority and his right to reign as the Christ.
After the resurrection of Jesus he was a still a man but this time around a glorified man hence the term the glorified Christ.
After all things has being completed, it is his kingdom as the christ that would be handed over to the Father and his humanity would forever be made subject under the father so that God would be the defining factor in all ways and in everything.

JMAN05:


The knowledge of God is a mystery. How can we even think of such. John 17:3 says that knowledge of God leads to eternal life. John 17:17 shows that the truth is found in God's word the Bible. If God is still mystery, how then do you know that he is even a triune God, when to you He is still a mystery?

About revelation you said above. The means to weigh any such revelation is Gods word the Bible. Like I told you above, how can a triune God not know when the end will come? A God that has a God can't claim to be the Almighty. Better to heed the warning at Gal 1:8.

You tried, and did well replying to my comment.

Remember, we are assuming Trinity is true. The holy spirit is there in heaven as part of the trinity. Jesus mentioned his not knowing the day and the hour. Permit me to say that different roles doesn't affect ones knowledge. Omniscience is omniscience whether Christ chose to have different assignment or not, otherwise we are not being consistent. Christ is telling you and I the limit of his knowledge. He is confessing not on one occasion that there is something he does not know. The question is still begging for answer;; why does Jesus not know when the end will come?

2. Holy spirit. You said he didn't include the holy spirit in his words, as such, he is not excluding the holy spirit. You used the example of Matt. 21:19 to show that not mentioning something doesn't mean exclusion. I see your point, but must say that the account you quoted didn't support your point. Notice the boldfaced phrase. It shows that Jesus saw a fig TREE Before noticing that it had no leaves. But I understood your point, altho the analogy didn't fit.

Notice that Jesus didn't say only the Father and The holy spirit knows. Nope. He said ONLY the Father knows. He didn't say it once. Shouldnt we take what Jesus said, even if it is against what we expect? He said ONLY, that excludes anyone else.

May I ask for your clarification here. Fully man and fully God. Yet he is not omniscient or omnipotent? If one is not omniscient, can he claim to be fully God Almighty? Omniscient is not subject to restrictions cos that would remove you as being God almighty. We are talking about the scope God's knowledge here. Can we bit our chest and say that God Almighty has what he doesn't know? Ok, can you please define what you mean by omniscience?

Also can we say that God Almighty is not omnipotent?

Was Jesus in heaven before he came to Earth? I believe he was. Now if you believe the same, then Jesus who is omniscience should already have known when the end will come before coming to Earth. It should have been part of his knowledge. Almighty God knows the end from the beginning. Do you understand now?

If I understand you, you are saying that Jesus would still be subject to God Almighty because he was still man (altho glorified)?

2. Maybe you didn't understand me well. Your said that Jesus gave up rights because he was in the flesh. You cited Philippians 2. Now, am saying that even after Jesus has risen to heaven for many years, Jesus was still stated by that 1Cor. 15;28 as subjecting himself to God. The one who should be his equal. It didn't stop there.

The account called God, JESUS' GOD. I don't know if someone is seeing what am seeing. How can God Almighty have a God in his heavenly abode, his HOUSE? He is still subject to this same one. He received this authority from this same person, he is handing over to this same person. This same person is still his God. Honestly, I don't see reason not to view this God of Jesus to be the Almighty, and Jesus as his subordinate. What reason could there be?