₦airaland Forum

bidexiii:
It's true that d good ones never last, we normally call him baba bravo, he's never tired​ of giving advice, especially with the Armed Forces Act. On behalf of me and my colleagues I say we missed you and we love you but God loves you most, your departure is a chock to us and a lost to the entire military and Nigeria at Large, RIP LT. WK Egba.

May he rest in peace.
Did he die in the NE?

kabe1:
Ships are classified by tonnage not weaponry.

If weaponry was the case, the Russian Buyan-m Corvette ships would be classified as Destroyers.

The Philippines type frigates would be good for us, it sure beats what we would get with a refit done on Aradu.

stop reading Wikipedia bro and do actual research.

Yes the Buyan class has 8 SSMs which is more or less standard with most frigates however it only has 8 SAMs and those missiles are very short legged and meant for last ditch close air defence. Also only has 2 ciws and 2 7.62mm guns...... It's buy no means a frigate even less a destroyer

kabe1:
The Aradu is obviously stronger, however SAMs can be added to the Incheon. 2 ships that are brand new is better than having an old ship for 10 years only.

what? Bro it's not a game where you can just add what ever you like, those ships are specifically designed to carry only a set amount of Missiles and other weapon systems otherwise you need to reintegrate the whole combat management system and the deck layout by which point you are designing a new ship!

Unless it says fitted for but not with then you can't add additional missiles!

jln115:
stop reading Wikipedia bro and do actual research.

Yes the Buyan class has 8 SSMs which is more or less standard with most frigates however it only has 8 SAMs and those missiles are very short legged and meant for last ditch close air defence. Also only has 2 ciws and 2 7.62mm guns...... It's buy no means a frigate even less a destroyer

You seem you read with the intention of not to understand.

This post you quoted, go back and read it again. At no point did I say a Buyan-m is a Frigate.

Are you high?

jln115:
what? Bro it's not a game where you can just add what ever you like, those ships are specifically designed to carry only a set amount of Missiles and other weapon systems otherwise you need to reintegrate the whole combat management system and the deck layout by which point you are designing a new ship!

Unless it says fitted for but not with then you can't add additional missiles!

There are many instances were a missile is added to a ship.

In the picture below, a cutter, just like the same ship we have in Nigeria is armed and firing a missile.

You are out of your depth.

kabe1:
You seem you read with the intention of not to understand.

This post you quoted, go back and read it again. At no point did I say a Buyan-m is a Frigate.

Are you high?

You said it is armed like a destroyer......

kabe1:
There are many instances were a missile is added to a ship.

In the picture below, a cutter, just like the same ship we have in Nigeria is armed and firing a missile.

You are out of your depth.

Again fitted for but not with and you are comparing cold War era ships with modern integrated frigates!!

jln115:
Again fitted for but not with and you are comparing cold War era ships with modern integrated frigates!!

Bros, you have been boxed in. South-Korea faces a threat from North-Korea. They are technically still at war, so their ships and military equipments are manufactured so that they are easily upgradable.

jln115:
You said it is armed like a destroyer......

Please read properly, I said if weaponry is the case, I did not call it a destroyer or a frigate.

Kindly do not quote me, as I won't respond to you any longer on this topic.

kabe1:
Please read properly, I said if weaponry is the case, I did not call it a destroyer or a frigate.

Kindly do not quote me, as I won't respond to you any longer on this topic.

And he simply proved that the weaponry of the Buyan is within the scope of a Corvette.

this your cover up of poor knowledge with E-fights cracks me up every time

jln115:
Incheon-class is a light frigate hence the price!!

Let's quickly compare NNS Aradu with the Incheon-class quickly:


Aradu. Vs Incheon class
Main gun: 127mm vs 127mm
SAMs: 24 vs 0
SSM: 8. Vs 2
Dual purpose guns: 8. Vs 1
Torpedo tubs: 6. Vs 6

Which looks stronger to you?

regardless, the Incheons are stronger cause they're new

The Philippines type frigates would be good for us, it sure beats what we would get with a refit done on Aradu.

Odunayaw:
And he simply proved that the weaponry of the Buyan is within the scope of a Corvette.

this your cover up of poor knowledge with E-fights cracks me up every time

Buyan-M is a very well armed Corvette. They struck targets in Syria from the black sea.

Knowledge is also continuous. We learn everyday.

My point is, ships are primarily classified by displacement, not weaponry.

Although one thing is certain, you cannot change government policy direction from Nairaland.

kabe1:
Please read properly, I said if weaponry is the case, I did not call it a destroyer or a frigate.

Kindly do not quote me, as I won't respond to you any longer on this topic.

that's what armed means dude!! You said the weaponary of the Buyan would classify it as a destroyer if/when using weaponry when classifing a ship........ Well in that case what would you classify Algerians Meko200s which have 16 SSMs 32 SAMs a 127mm gun several other dual purpose guns and 6 324 Torpedo tubes?

kabe1:
Buyan-M is a very well armed Corvette. They struck targets in Syria from the black sea.

Knowledge is continuous.

My point is, ships are primarily classified by displacement, not weaponry.

classified by Displacement AND Weaponry AND Role

The Argentine pressed the Meko 360 into service as a Destroyer, The German Navy retired Destroyers only to build "Frigates" with tonnage & weaponry of a Destroyer...should we talk about the French? They named the Horizon (of Destroyer tonnage) a Frigate.

Lest I forget, The US Navy too? The LCS with its corvette tonnage

The remaining 20 LCSs to be acquired from 2019 and onwards that will be enhanced will be designated as frigates, and existing ships given modifications may also have their classification changed to FF as well

kabe1:
Buyan-M is a very well armed Corvette. They struck targets in Syria from the black sea.

Knowledge is also continuous. We learn everyday.

My point is, ships are primarily classified by displacement, not weaponry.

Although one thing is certain, you cannot change government policy direction from Nairaland.

It's adequately armed for a Corvette in fact there are several corvettes in service that are even better armed than the Buyan M.

At least I enjoy the discussion as far as opinions are respected and countered civically

Odunayaw:
At least I enjoy the discussion as far as opinions are respected and countered civically

although I disagree with @kabe1 at least he's always been civil during debates!

#AFSF

Xbee007:
May he rest in peace.
Did he die in the NE?

Nope...

When US installs ashms on coast guard cutters they have with resources with offboard surveillance engagement and targeting capabilities from space itself , forget about within atmosphere. And yet hit a target with pinpoint accuracy.

This doesn't mean other countries can replicate it .

From where will targeting info come from

Helicopter Landing pad on ships without hangers is pretty much useless

good for littoral engagement under the cover of islands that too if targeting data is available through MPA aircrafts.

Short range ashm with non deck penetrating installation will work.

Radar installation will require new powerful engine for more power generation , new power rectifiers and converters , cooling systems and new cabling etc

And hell lot of refurbishment of both hull and almost everything .

Best buy new guided missile boats with the money

TLDR; NAF graduates 5 Agusta 109EM helicopter pilots and 8 Alpha Jet pilots.

WAR AGAINST INSURGENCY RECEIVES BOOST AS NAF GRADUATES NEW SET OF TACTICALLY-TRAINED COMBAT HELICOPTER, FIGHTER PILOTS TO MEET OPERATIONAL NEEDS

The efforts of the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) to provide qualitative manpower to meet its operational requirements in tackling various security challenges in the country have received a further boost with the graduation of a set of 13 pilots who have successfully completed their tactical and combat training. The combined Graduation Ceremony of Tactical Helicopter Course 1/2019 and Tactical Fighter Courses 23 and 24A, which took place today, 21 December 2019, at the NAF Base Makurdi comprised 5 Agusta 109EM helicopter pilots and 8 Alpha Jet pilots. The Graduation Ceremony was preceded by an Air Range Exercise which involved live firing from Agusta 109EM helicopters and Alpha Jets by the graduating pilots at Kwernev Air Range, Makurdi, with the pilots displaying the effectiveness of their training and targeting/weapon delivery skills scoring accurate hits on the targets with their rockets and cannons.

Speaking during the graduation ceremony, the Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, said he was delighted that 2 of the NAF’s vital training Units, the 405 Helicopter Combat Training Group (405 HCTG), Enugu and the 407 Air Combat Training Group (407 HCTG), Kainji, were taking their place at the forefront of producing combat-rated helicopter and fighter pilots for the Service. He described the combined graduation of the pilots as a significant milestone in the history of the NAF, being the first time that the Service would be witnessing the graduation of tactically-trained helicopter pilots from 405 HCTG. The CAS disclosed that this was in keeping with the NAF’s current focus on robust and result oriented training for enhanced professional performance, which has seen several aircrew trained both at home and abroad in the last 4 years. He noted, for instance, that from July 2015 till date, the NAF had conducted conversion and tactical training for 9 Alpha Jet pilots in Egypt and 17 others at the 407 ACTG, Kainji, in addition to the 8 graduating Alpha Jet pilots; 4 of whom were trained in Egypt and the other 4 trained in Kainji by NAF instructors. Moreover, he noted that, aside the 5 graduating helicopter pilots, the Service had conducted initial and refresher courses for 24 Agusta 109 pilots in Italy.

According to him, the graduation of the helicopter pilots was as a result of the reorganization of the 405 HCTG to enable it bridge the gap of insufficient combat-rated helicopter pilots in the NAF. He said the Unit was now well positioned to continue supplying all NAF combat helicopter platforms with tactically trained pilots, while 407 Air Combat Training Group (407 ACTG) would continue to provide the Service with combat-rated fighter pilots on the Alpha Jet. The combined efforts of these Units, he said, had ensured the constant supply of adequately trained pilots to meet the operational needs of the NAF. He noted that this was a testament to the collective efforts “To reposition the NAF into a highly professional and disciplined force through capacity building initiatives for effective, efficient and timely employment of air power in response to Nigeria's national security imperatives”. He therefore commended the efforts of the Air Training Command (ATC), which has been responsible for implementing the initiatives to domicile most of its training efforts in NAF institutions, for translating his vision and strategic directives into visible achievements in the field.

While congratulating the graduating pilots for their resilience in successfully completing the training, Air Marshal Abubakar charged them to strive to use their skills to add value to the units where they would be deployed. The CAS also seized the opportunity to appreciate the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, President Muhammadu Buhari, for his untiring support that had enabled the NAF to effectively discharge its constitutional responsibilities. He equally commended the Air Officer Commanding (AOC) ATC as well as the Commanders, officers, instructors and airmen/airwomen for their dedication, which had resulted in the successes so far achieved.

In his welcome remarks, the AOC ATC, Air Vice Marshal (AVM) Muhammed Suleiman, stated that, since the inception of the current NAF leadership, the ATC had recorded tremendous achievements, including the recent graduation of 11 Instructor Pilots, 3 Captains and 2 Co-pilots from 401 Flying Training School, Kaduna, just 2 weeks ago. He noted that the sustained progress in different flying training programmes under the ATC were indicators that the necessary logistics and administrative support were being provided to the Command in a timely manner to ensure smooth and unhindered accomplishment of the Command's flying training and operational objectives. AVM Suleiman therefore thanked the CAS for providing the enabling environment that had facilitated these achievements. He pledged the commitment of the Command to continue to turn out well trained, professional pilots that would be effective and efficient in the employment of air power.

The ceremony featured the reading of highlights of the courses by the Commanders of the 405 HCTG and 407 ACTG. Certificates were also presented to all graduands, while those who distinguished themselves on the various courses received awards for their efforts. In this regard, Squadron Leader Kelechi Nwagba received an award for emerging best-all-round in Tactical Helicopter Course 1/2019, while Flying Officers Ahmad Galadanchi and Edward Wukari were presented with awards for topping the Tactical Fighter Courses 23 and 24A, respectively. The event was attended by the Joint Task Force Commander Operation WHIRL STROKE, Branch Chiefs and Directors from Headquarters NAF as well as Commanders and Commandants of Military Units in Makurdi.

IBIKUNLE DARAMOLA
Air Commodore
Director of Public Relations and Information
Nigerian Air Force

More....

kabe1:
You seem you read with the intention of not to understand.

This post you quoted, go back and read it again. At no point did I say a Buyan-m is a Frigate.

Are you high?

i always have the feelin,he is high when typin stuffs....

i tut its only me that feel that way....

nice to find somebody else thinkin the same....

Some facts and figures on the Ezegwu MRAP disclosed by DG DICON MAJ GEN Victor Ezugwu.

•10 units delivered , additional 28 on order by AHQ.
•70 million Naira ($200,000) unit cost.
•70% local content.

DICON is working with MOD to set up a production line.

jln115:
You said it is armed like a destroyer......

aint you ashamed of yourself....??

even a traktor for farming can be armed with missiles....

why are you always arguing so miserably....??

#N.E frontlines.
#Banki Junction.
#NA SFs.

For equipment enthusiasts:
*Saw this MRAP adorned with the national colours and an imposing bull skull and horns.
* One of the tanks the late Lt Col. Abu-Ali operated. It is now retired, and on display at the counter-insurgency museum.

* Guns and Bibles. Christmas in the frontlines

Reports indicate delivery of the new MD530F helicopters to KDF has began.

Xbee007:
TLDR; NAF graduates 5 Agusta 109EM helicopter pilots and 8 Alpha Jet pilots.

one reason why NAF pilots are the baddest.They use wat they have to get what they want.Others use targeting pods and Guided missiles for strikes Our pilots turn dumb Bombs And Rockets to Cruise missiles They may criticize us For using Shagari regime jets.But they don't know that's our secret to our pilots awesome brutality we create human targeting pods
NAF:WillingAbleReady

bidexiii:
#N.E frontlines.
#Banki Junction.
#NA SFs.

Wow see vests..
And some good grade helmets...

GeneralFarouq:
Wow see vests..
And some good grade helmets...

I thought I was the only one seeing it...Are these pics current