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idealogical:
After decades in Iraq and $Trillions of dollars and thousands of American casualties, the US today is leaving Iraq, the same Iraq which today is practically Iran annex and totally under the control of Iran.

I know when the US went into Iraq to spend their blood and treasure, they didn't know that at the end of the day, it's going to be the same America handing over Iraq to Iran for good.

On top of that, the Kurds used to be American allies and counterweight in Iraq, but Trump already betrayed and abandoned the Kurds in the North and in Syrian.

China, Russia and Iran just concluded a joint Naval drill in the Gulf of Oman, sending a strong message to the US that Iran is not alone.

Iran won round one because they took Iraq without firing a bullet.

After decades in Afghanistan and Trillions of dollars and thousands of American casualties and rhetoric that America don't bargain with terrorists, Trump is today bargaining with the Taliban to leave Afghanistan.

Losing ground, losing influence, losing prestige, losing allies and global territories while siting on the most powerful army and weaponry is nothing to be proud of, it's all about global chess game and America is not winning.

Iran is more powerful in the region today than last week.

Lazy Nigerian youths, learn more, read more and stop peddling fake gist and internet propaganda, the issue is more complex and it's not about the latest weapon or how powerful you are.

You know folks like you who see the big picture beyond the "US n Iran Na mate" senseless debate are getting extinct in here! You're a breath of fresh air!

You just read some comments in here and you wonder if Buhari wasn't right after all!

YorubaKing:
As a 4-yr Iraq vet, I suggest we should blow up Iran and all the fvcked up hard-core Northerners that are muslim extremists in Nigeria. They're bad for our nation, trust me. I remember this particular song back in the day on war front in Baghdad.

"We don't need no water, let tha mutha-fuckers die... Die mutha-fuckers, Die"!

Why don't you want to ''blow up'' Saudi Arabia instead? Or you don't know they are sponsors of Al Qaeda and ISIS (with US backing)? Do you know Osama bin Laden was a Saudi citizen? Do you know the bin Laden family is among Saudi's richest billionaire families, and that they do big business openly in the US?

Why do you think Iran has been so keen to fight Al Qaeda and ISIS? Even driving them out of Iraq, Syria and Turkey?

Mr 'Iraq vet', are you only good to use guns without using your grey matter?

jnoz23:
War is not about size, but strategy.

So crude Iran will outsmart usa are u guys kidding me.

Israel's airdrones are enuf to finish Iran not to talk of when the use some of the f16 at their proposal.

Dedetwo:
You got your head almost in the right direction until the bolded. Trump did not betray Kurds although the Syrian Kurds may think betrayed. However the issue of Kurds is bigger than you see on the tubes. There are Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian and Turkish Kurds. The frame work on the ground is to get a marked territory for the entire Kurds. It is not easy. As for China and Russia conducting naval drills with Iran has no bearing on the capabilities of USA. China and Russia will advise Iran to tread carefully.

House Republicans break 2-to-1 against Trump on withdrawal of Kurd support

Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Wednesday that the Kurds are “no angels,” but Republican lawmakers who fought alongside them in Iraq and Syria called them reliable and effective U.S. allies.

“Let me be clear on the Kurds: Aside from Israel, they’re our best ally in the Middle East,” said Rep. Michael Waltz, a former Green Beret who worked with Kurds in Syria.

“They have been fighting shoulder to shoulder — not in a support role, an actual fighting role — with us for decades. I think we need to recognize that, and I think the American people need to appreciate that,” the Florida Republican said.

Rep. Don Bacon, who fought alongside Kurdish allies as part of the invasion of Iraq in the early-2000s, told CQ Roll Call on Wednesday that they are “the one group you could have behind you and not worry about your back.”

The Nebraska Republican has vociferously advocated for the administration to take active measures to stop Turkey’s advance in northern Syria, where videos have emerged of Kurds being slaughtered by Turkish-led soldiers.

“They were loyal, they were good,” Bacon said of the Kurds he fought with in Iraq. “They were our best folks on the ground of the indigenous folks out there. I know a lot of folks are hurt and angered that we didn’t stay loyal to the Kurds, who have been by our side for really the last 16 years.”

Bacon and Waltz were among the scores of Republicans who rebuked Trump by voting for the bipartisan resolution on Wednesday. Waltz is not facing a competitive reelection, but Bacon remains a Democratic target in 2020, although his Democratic opponents have posted lackluster fundraising numbers.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/house-republicans-break-2-1-trump-withdrawal-kurd-support

Abandoning the Kurds was a major blunder, so major that Trump's republican lawmakers not only rebuked him, they also voted to pass a bipartisan congressional resolution against him.

China and Russia's Naval drills with Iran wasn't about military confrontation, it was about stating categorically where they stand politically and regionally, it means they will veto any US sponsored or favored anything against Iran at he UN which China already asserted.

There's not going to be any war unless the US unilaterally invade or blow up Iran, the current battlefield is political and asymmetric warfare by proxies.

Rosskii:
Why don't you want to ''blow up'' Saudi Arabia instead? Or you don't know they are sponsors of Al Qaeda and ISIS (with US backing)? Do you know Osama bin Laden was a Saudi citizen? Do you know the bin Laden family is among Saudi's richest billionaire families, and that they do big business openly in the US?

Why do you think Iran has been so keen to fight Al Qaeda and ISIS? Even driving them out of Iraq, Syria and Turkey?

Mr 'Iraq vet', are you only good to use guns without using your grey matter?

The US and Iran are currently on the battle by proxies in Yemen.

The US's proxy is Saudi Arabia fighting with Advanced american war plans, weapons, gadgets and intelligence.

Iran's proxy are the Houthi rebels with weapons supplied by Iran.

Why is it so difficult for Saudi with their expensive American weapons, satellite imagery and intelligence to defeat the Houthi rebels?

Why are the Houthi rebels in control of nearly the whole of Yemen instead of Saudi Arabia with their sophisticated weapons and the largest defense budget in the Mid east.?

The Yemen war is about to come to an end. A Saudi official admitted this week for the first time since 2016 that Riyadh is in talks with the Houthi rebels. The talks have surfaced despite the Houthis being in charge of the capital Sanaa and the other most populous parts in Northern Yemen, which indicates that the Saudis are coming to terms with this status quo.

The radical approach of effectively flushing the Houthis out of the north has been abandoned. The new approach of accepting the Houthis as part of the new post-war reality in Yemen, on the other hand, is much more sophisticated.

The attack on the Saudi Aramco oil installations in September, which knocked out half of the Kingdom’s production, was a tipping point. This week, Aramco launched an initial public offering (IPO) to be listed on the local stock market, abandoning Mohamed bin Salman’s original plan to list it on overseas markets. The escalation with Iran began to have a direct effect on the Saudi economy.

Moreover, the Yemen war is historic as it exposed Saudi Arabia’s national and geopolitical weaknesses. Besides the big holes in its defence strategy, Saudi Arabia has found itself vulnerable on an unprecedented level. Throughout the last two years (especially after Bashar al-Assad had appeared to be heading towards a decisive victory over his opponents in Syria. Iran has been clenching its fist on Iraq, the Levant and Yemen. This means effectively flanking Saudi Arabia from the north and south.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/saudi-arabia-yemen-houthi-rebels-riyadh-oil-us-trump-a9196501.html

Saudi Arabia with the latest, the most advanced weaponry, open American support and defense budget can not defeat a rebel group funded and supported by Iran. American support and American weapons didn't prevent them from detecting their exposure, vulnerabilities and precarious situation.

Saudi Arabia as the US's proxy must contend with the fact that Iran is the regional power in that neighborhood.

Mightyhaiz:
How US took dis guy out clean from the sky,.. Without mess,without other casualties will remain a marvel/mystery to me

In modern warfare, it's called using 'precision guided munitions'. It can kill your target, without causing unnecessary harm to others.

Iran played into Trump's hands , and we can only appeal to the US to be cautious to de-escalate the situation. In as much as one expects Trump to be more reasonable, Soleimani and his allies were not relenting in their sinister plans and actions which dates back to previous administrations long before Trump became POTUS. The activities of these guys in the past few weeks gave Trump the impetus, an advantage, and a legitimate one, to carry out those strikes, the ripple effect of which we do not know yet. It is one of these consequences -war that is making the whole become interested in this debacle. Who knows if Iran goes unconventional and go rogue using terror groups or something like the Baghdad attacks?

seunmsg:
People really need to understand that it is Trump that is looking for war and not Iran. If America declares war on Iran, the people of Iran will have no choice than to fight back. World leaders should be talking to Trump not to de-escalate the situation after Iran must have responded to the assasination and not the other way round.

seunmsg:
People really need to understand that it is Trump that is looking for war and not Iran. If America declares war on Iran, the people of Iran will have no choice than to fight back. World leaders should be talking to Trump not to de-escalate the situation after Iran must have responded to the assasination and not the other way round.

Another terrorist spotted.

idealogical:
Abandoning the Kurds was a major blunder, so major that Trump's republican lawmakers not only rebuked him, they also voted to pass a bipartisan congressional resolution against him.

China and Russia's Naval drills with Iran wasn't about military confrontation, it was about stating categorically where they stand politically and regionally, it means they will veto any US sponsored or favored anything against Iran at he UN which China already asserted.

There's not going to be any war unless the US unilaterally invade or blow up Iran, the current battlefield is political and asymmetric warfare by proxies.

I kid you not

If Iran retaliate in such a manner that is big

America will have no choice than to destroy Iranian army and there's nothing china and Russia can do about it.

Ukraine had joint drills with Nato forces but was still attacked by Russia with America avoiding direct confrontation with Russia.


America and Iran are not mate in any type of warfare.

The problem Americans have with another war is the financial cost of a war that changes nothing in reality. I.e. a destruction of Iranian forces would not translate to safer America especially from the threat of terrorism.

idealogical:
The US and Iran are currently on the battle by proxies in Yemen.

The US's proxy is Saudi Arabia fighting with Advanced american war plans, weapons, gadgets and intelligence.

Iran's proxy are the Houthi rebels with weapons supplied by Iran.

Why is it so difficult for Saudi with their expensive American weapons, satellite imagery and intelligence to defeat the Houthi rebels?

Why are the Houthi rebels in control of nearly the whole of Yemen instead of Saudi Arabia with their sophisticated weapons and the largest defense budget in the Mid east.?





Saudi Arabia with the latest, the most advanced weaponry, open American support and defense budget can not defeat a rebel group funded and supported by Iran. American support and American weapons didn't prevent them from detecting their exposure, vulnerabilities and precarious situation.

Saudi Arabia as the US's proxy must contend with the fact that Iran is the regional power in that neighborhood.

@ emboldened

America would never and I repeat never support Saudi Arabia with its latest weapons for different reasons.


Moving on, Yemeni's case has always been very peculiar because of the tribal nature of the country.

The houtis controlled more territories before Saudi Arabia and UAE joined the Yemeni government forces through Air support and push them back the houtis a little bit.

Ironically Many of the Houtis still relied on American weapons they can get on the black market as was exposed in CNN report recently. Many of Houtis used American tankers to counter Saudi Air strikes.

KINGwax007:
If I were to be the Iranian President, the war would be internal. Suicide bomber things in crowded areas, twice every week. Mass shootings anyhow. Building on home made bombs on American soil and using it effectively.

But I am not the president, I will just be watching CNN

The US dont need Iran for all you mentioned ,If the US wants to wipe out Iran,they will use their agents and plant all the evils you just mentioned,accuse Iran,and use the excuse to bomb them to smithering.

Mightyhaiz:
How US took dis guy out clean from the sky,.. Without mess,without other casualties even in the midst of a moving convoy will forever remain a mystery to me

there were others (casualties),but the media is not saying whom they are.. Intel in US is insisting the man has been going on meetings with terror groups hatching a big attack...this kind of hit happens when there is a gathering of the big fishes that only one will course international wave when hit but if u fail to hit the fishes will scatter

it's not everyday you have all evil men/planners in one place,.Trump took the chance

the media(CNN mostly) should do well to name the others they always talk about that died with the general bcs I don't think US intelligence community is going to exit those details

lol
Iran is asking US to allow them hit back and call it square..US ain't allowing that

Iran will only strick back by proxy, assassination, power play and cyber attacks

head to head with US is suicide

jnoz23:
War is not about size, but strategy.

Na that one you use dey console yourself? Iran is no match for the US both strategy, strength and otherwise

Mightyhaiz:
How US took dis guy out clean from the sky,.. Without mess,without other casualties even in the midst of a moving convoy will forever remain a mystery to me

Have you seen the video, do you know how many people were killed just to kill one man, dozens who they call collateral damage.

Mightyhaiz:
How US took dis guy out clean from the sky,.. Without mess,without other casualties even in the midst of a moving convoy will forever remain a mystery to me

The video is online. Google it.

My question is if USA and Iran is going to war were will the ground be??

babz11:
My question is if USA and Iran is going to war were will the ground be??

Iran and through proxy

USA won't even hav a sweat in the war.

Mightyhaiz:
How US took dis guy out clean from the sky,.. Without mess,without other casualties even in the midst of a moving convoy will forever remain a mystery to me

Your ignorance is repulsive. US drone killed Suleimanni, killed an Iraqi top general like Suleimanni who was escorting him to see a minister in Iraq and also killed several other soldiers who were in the convoy.

Why do you think Iraq and it's parliament are dis vexed for US action.

Trump's action was a terrorist act. He became the judge, jury and executioner in this matter. Before now, nobody knew of Suleimanni as being a terrorist or being in alliance with them. He was officially appointed in his country, up until he was killed, he was fighting alongside USA against ISIS and other violent groups in the region.

Trump is solely responsible for his actions and not the entire US. He needs to be tried at the ICC. He'll be lucky if he isn't equally assassinated now or after office.

Trump messed up.

aremuforlife:
There is no winner in war, all parties involve will have somthing valuable to lose.
Say no war
Lets call for peace
Let there be peace in the world
This is our home, we don't neex to destroy it

war is the most profitable business in the world.

Laurene:
Na that one you use dey console yourself? Iran is no match for the US both strategy, strength and otherwise

Why should I console myself, when I'm not American!
I never solve Nigeria problems finish, na America own I wan carry?
But remember this,
The same USA has always been proactive in war, attacking for flimsy reasons all the time for problems that were most likely caused by same USA!
Sometimes you need to calm the fcu.k down!

FlordFlorez:
Iran with less than 500k active military personnel wan fight USA with 1.3M active cammandos (full kit and third largest in the world). We never talk about their reserve o. again, more than 3k airfighters mainly the F35, F16, F29, F17 etc...abeg leave matter for lawman.

Statistically US needs 1.6 million troops to invade Iran successfully....Neither US or Iran is ready for any full blown war....yes Iran will retaliate for sure...US will also retaliate...it will go on and on like that ...Iran is know as a Fortress because its surrounded by swamps and mountains.

Deathtk:
Iran and through proxy

If u know Iran's geography, you'll know that no nation can successfully invade that country....Iran might not be up to 10% as powerful as US but the casualty on the US side will run to hundreds of thousands.... That figure is not good for any nation

Tomide007:
If u know Iran's geography, you'll know that no nation can successfully invade that country....Iran might not be up to 10% as powerful as US but the casualty on the US side will run to hundreds of thousands.... That figure is not good for any nation

Exactly! Iran is not iraq, it has treacherous landforms.

The best the US will get is a protracted war which will see them packing their tools home after years of deadlock.

Mightyhaiz:
How US took dis guy out clean from the sky,.. Without mess,without other casualties even in the midst of a moving convoy will forever remain a mystery to me

am shock up till today

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened

America would never and I repeat never support Saudi Arabia with its latest weapons for different reasons.[/b][b]


Moving on, Yemeni's case has always been very peculiar because of the tribal nature of the country.

The houtis controlled more territories before Saudi Arabia and UAE joined the Yemeni government forces through Air support and push them back the houtis a little bit.

Ironically Many of the Houtis still relied on American weapons they can get on the black market as was exposed in CNN report recently. Many of Houtis used American tankers to counter Saudi Air strikes.

Saudis couldn’t stop attack on oil facilities, even with top US defenses

Saudi Arabia has multiple batteries of advanced U.S. Patriot air defense missiles, which are meant to shoot down hostile aircraft or shorter-range ballistic missiles. Patriots provide “point defense” — not protection of wide swaths of territory — and it’s unclear whether any were positioned close to the oil sites.

The U.S. provides intelligence and surveillance support to the Saudi military, but that, too, has its limitations.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/09/19/saudis-couldnt-stop-attack-on-oil-facilities-even-with-top-us-defenses/

Actually, Saudi is loaded with so many advanced weapons from the US, selling $10 billion advanced weapons to Saudi Arabia was Trump's first official foreign visit and duty in office., but Saudi Arabia is still vulnerable more than ever and they still couldn't stop common drones.

The Houthis fighting with American weapons is because of spoils of war, they are not destroying the America weapons they confiscated from defeated American backed Saudis or Yemeni troops, they are as expected using them against their enemies.

Xmen149:
there were others (casualties),but the media is not saying whom they are.. Intel in US is insisting the man has been going on meetings with terror groups hatching a big attack...this kind of hit happens when there is a gathering of the big fishes that only one will course international wave when hit but if u fail to hit the fishes will scatter

it's not everyday you have all evil men/planners in one place,.Trump took the chance

the media(CNN mostly) should do well to name the others they always talk about that died with the general bcs I don't think US intelligence community is going to exit those details

As part of the incendiary and escalating crisis surrounding the assassination of Qassem Soleimani, there has come an explanation of why the Iranian commander was actually in Baghdad when he was targeted by a US missile strike.

Iraq’s prime minister revealed that he was due to be meeting the Iranian commander to discuss moves being made to ease the confrontation between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia – the crux of so much of strife in the Middle East and beyond.

Adil Abdul-Mahdi was quite clear: “I was supposed to meet him in the morning the day he was killed, he came to deliver a message from Iran in response to the message we had delivered from the Saudis to Iran.”

The prime minister also disclosed that Donald Trump had called him to ask him to mediate following the attack on the US embassy in Baghdad. According to Iraqi officials contact was made with a number of militias as well as figures in Tehran. The siege of the embassy was lifted and the US president personally thanked Abdul-Mahdi for his help.

There was nothing to suggest to the Iraqis that it was unsafe for Soleimani to travel to Baghdad – quite the contrary. This suggests that Trump helped lure the Iranian commander to a place where he could be killed. It is possible that the president was unaware of the crucial role that Soleimani was playing in the attempted rapprochement with the Saudis. Or that he knew but did not care.

One may even say that it is not in the interest of a president who puts so much emphasis on American arms exports, and whose first official trip after coming to office was a weapons-selling trip to Saudi Arabia – during which he railed against Iran – to have peace break out between the Iranians and the kingdom. But that would be far too cynical a thought.

Abdul-Mahdi spoke of his disappointment that while Trump was expressing his gratitude over the mediation, he was also simultaneously planning an attack on Soleimani. That attack took place not long after the telephone call from the president.

There is also the possibility that the US military planners knew nothing about the conversations between Trump and Abdul-Mahdi, and took out Soleimani when the opportunity presented itself.

There may be credence to this, if one follows the narrative which is emerging from defence and intelligence officials in Washington: that the assassination option presented to Trump was bound to be refused, as it had been by his predecessors in the White House. And that there was a desperate scramble to track down Soleimani when, much to their shock, Trump ordered the hit.

The existence of the talks between the Saudi and the Iranians and, more importantly, the threat of impending violence, has meant reaction in Riyadh at the killing has been markedly muted.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, not a stranger to sabre rattling, has sent his younger brother, deputy defence minister Khalid bin Salman, to Washington to urge restraint.

The very real risk of the region becoming a arena for conflict has led to rare cooperation in the stand-off between the Saudi-led Gulf block and Qatar, whose foreign minister was dispatched to Tehran with a similar appeal for calm.

In Tehran, Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani met with Iranian president Hassan Rouhani to discuss “measures to maintain the security and stability of the region,” the state-run Qatar News Agency reported. While in the UAE the foreign minister, Anwar Gargash, called for “rational engagement”, tweeting: “wisdom and balance must prevail.”

As well as being in danger of getting caught in the crossfire of a war between the US and Iran, the Arab states in the region are vulnerable to Tehran’s allied militias – in Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq and Syria. There is concern whether the US, after unleashing a wave of missiles, would do anything when retribution is taken on its partner countries.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/qassem-soleimani-death-iran-baghdad-middle-east-iraq-saudi-arabia-a9272901.html

According to the Iraqi prime minister, the Iranian General was actually on a peace mission between Iran, Saudi and the Gulf state when he was killed, not on any terrorist mission.

idealogical:
After decades in Iraq and $Trillions of dollars and thousands of American casualties, the US today is leaving Iraq, the same Iraq which today is practically Iran annex and totally under the control of Iran.

I know when the US went into Iraq to spend their blood and treasure, they didn't know that at the end of the day, it's going to be the same America handing over Iraq to Iran for good.

On top of that, the Kurds used to be American allies and counterweight in Iraq, but Trump already betrayed and abandoned the Kurds in the North and in Syrian.

China, Russia and Iran just concluded a joint Naval drill in the Gulf of Oman, sending a strong message to the US that Iran is not alone.

Iran won round one because they took Iraq without firing a bullet.

After decades in Afghanistan and Trillions of dollars and thousands of American casualties and rhetoric that America don't bargain with terrorists, Trump is today bargaining with the Taliban to leave Afghanistan.

Losing ground, losing influence, losing prestige, losing allies and global territories while siting on the most powerful army and weaponry is nothing to be proud of, it's all about global chess game and America is not winning.

Iran is more powerful in the region today than last week.

Lazy Nigerian youths, learn more, read more and stop peddling fake gist and internet propaganda, the issue is more complex and it's not about the latest weapon or how powerful you are.

I swear you deserve a chilled bottle of vodka.

shaqhead:
You know folks like you who see the big picture beyond the "US n Iran Na mate" senseless debate are getting extinct in here! You're a breath of fresh air!

You just read some comments in here and you wonder if Buhari wasn't right after all!

I swear bro,comments here are driving me nuts,one might begin to wonder how people can think so lowly.

Mightyhaiz:
How US took dis guy out clean from the sky,.. Without mess,without other casualties even in the midst of a moving convoy will forever remain a mystery to me

Correction; there were other casulaties...all senior terrorists.

idealogical:
The US and Iran are currently on the battle by proxies in Yemen.

The US's proxy is Saudi Arabia fighting with Advanced american war plans, weapons, gadgets and intelligence.

Iran's proxy are the Houthi rebels with weapons supplied by Iran.

Why is it so difficult for Saudi with their expensive American weapons, satellite imagery and intelligence to defeat the Houthi rebels?

Why are the Houthi rebels in control of nearly the whole of Yemen instead of Saudi Arabia with their sophisticated weapons and the largest defense budget in the Mid east.?

Saudi Arabia with the latest, the most advanced weaponry, open American support and defense budget can not defeat a rebel group funded and supported by Iran. American support and American weapons didn't prevent them from detecting their exposure, vulnerabilities and precarious situation.

You don't have to go far looking for examples. The US with all the latest tech weapons is still having problems with the ragtag Taliban. Asymmetric warfare is not dependent on who has the best weapons, but who commits the most atrocities. Saudi Arabia in Yemen, like the US in Afghanistan; are political actors with reputations to maintain. All casualties are immediately blamed on them, so they have to be very transparent and careful. Their opponents on the other hand, have no such inhibitions; the Houthis and Taliban can bomb schools and hospitals, and ignore the few voices that follow. The US and Saudi Arabia cannot do the same. This is why that kind of war is unwinable.

But for Iran, the US need not invade on ground. All they have to do is destroy Iranian infrastructure and take out their security apparatus, then leave the rest to local armed factions who hate the regime like crazy... Kurds, Baluchis, Ahvazis, over-the-border Taliban and the more cosmopolitan MEK. The US need not put one boot on the ground, except maybe to train those groups to fight. A war with Iran will be over in a month...if the US decides not to 'develop' the ruins or install a government as they foolishly tried to do in Iraq and Afghanistan.

seunmsg:
People really need to understand that it is Trump that is looking for war and not Iran. If America declares war on Iran, the people of Iran will have no choice than to fight back. World leaders should be talking to Trump not to de-escalate the situation after Iran must have responded to the assasination and not the other way round.

Don't mind them, my fellow Yoloba moozlem.
If America want war we Yoloba moozlems will join Iran to destroy America using our condemned oil ewedu soup.