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Drenimarcus:
But Khiaa, no one is fighting over here, you saying this is just

Lol, I'm not talking about on the internet, I'm talking about in reality in the US.

khiaa:
Stop talking like all Nigerians think the same and are the same. *Nigerians are driven to succeed* if that were true then why all the poverty in Nigeria, what about the Nigerians in the US and other foreign countries who have been living in squalor for years?

You appear to not have the intellectual rigor to discuss this issue. I will take my leave.

I pray your hate does not CONSUME you.

No poverty in America especially in the AA community? No living in squalor? Delusion does not build self esteem...

nlPoster:
all that fawning and kissing up to whites in Africa especially on NL that you people do

Its in your head my dear. If you see a Nigerian sucking up to a white man he is about to make him is MUGU!

They Win again, this thread was supposed to be an eye opener for those who know nothing about history. sowers of the discord seeds win again.

morpheus24:
. . .

The quote you ascribe to me is from RaptorX.

Dont be funny.

I simply posted your response since it answered his question.

tiar:
You appear to not have the intellectual rigor to discuss this issue. I will take my leave.

I pray your hate does not CONSUME you.

No poverty in America especially in the AA community? No living in squalor? Delusion does not build self esteem...

But its you who speaks as though Nigerians don't fail *Nigerians are driven to succeed* your words not mine. My point is, the false arrogance that spew out of some of your mouths is bafflingly.

You come from a third world country of extreme poverty to a first world country and look your noses down on people who are less fortunate but still doing better than you are. So disagreeing with someone's opinion equates to hatred to you?

Nice write up

Well, despite all, there is only one race, and that I'd human race, forget colour, language or culture

Nobody wants to admit. Racism will never end. Heaven and Hell are here on this Earth. Only for deep minds.

tealaw:
Nobody wants to admit. Racism will never end. Heaven and Hell are here on this Earth. Only for deep minds.

nope, it will never ever end.

Villain7:
Please, how does it zap data? I used regular ZTE Maxis, it's normal. It's 4G

How much?

JAWBONE:
Very Interesting I must say, and apt. It is very sickening to see the level of ignorance Black-Americans display towards Africans. And I hope they stay true to what MLK, MLCM X, Du Bois etc fought for

Have you also considered the level of ignorance Africans display towards Black Americans? Life is not a one way street guy.

abijaofficial:
Akata people have serious attitudinal problems

Have you bothered to ask why?

Temple1288:
When you see these African Americans and the way they behave. The way they act! They won't even wait to hear from before telling you to *fućk off*
Very dirty set of individuals. NOT ALL! BUT ALMOST.. Go to their neighborhoods and all you keep hearing is "Fućk! I shot the bâstard"
Dirty and smelly neighborhoods!


They believe every person who doesn't support their foolish ideology is 'Uncle Tom'

By the way, they CAN NEVER OFFER YOU ANY HELP here..



And to Ilhan Omar calling the President of the United States of America an OCCUPANT.. She wouldn't try that in Somalia..

Are there neighborhoods more smelly than some of the ones you have in Nigeria?

Destroyerofyeeb:
So did Africans. Civil War in Nigeria , military oppression, religious war, tribal war in Rwanda yet we still standing strong.

What strong are you standing? I bet you have never been through the streets of Nigeria to see what people are going through.

Stevecovey:
@op okpa042, the african americans suffered a deep emotional wound. Its still a fresh wound. Their grandparents are still alive who fought evil jim crow & segregation laws with the civil rights movement in the 60's. Those stories are still repeated in their homes.

That generation will have to completely die out and more time pass before a large portion of the population 'forget' & release themselves from the sense of victimhood.

I believe africans should look on that whole situation with compassion and not brash judgement. Its not so easy to overcome a mental conditioning of being inferior & unworthy. Your actions will always follow that thought pattern.

Most intelligent and knowledgeable comment I have seen so far.

Okpa042:
There is a huge chasm between African-Americans and African immigrants in the United States. That chasm has widened over the years. It has caused deep animosity between many African-Americans and their African immigrant cousins.

The chasm has prevented African-Americans from participating in the current economic boom in Africa and it has shut many African immigrants out of opportunities for economic advancement here in the United States.

The problem stems from deep misconceptions, sometimes fueled by the U.S. media. Astonishingly, many African-Americans believe that Africans are backward and primitive. Some make crude jokes about Africans or do not acknowledge the great contribution Africa has made to the world.

For their part, many African immigrants buy into the erroneous notion that African-Americans are lazy and violent.

They do not appreciate the great sacrifice African-Americans made, through advocating for their civil rights, to lay the foundation for Africans to be able to come to the United States and live in a country where both blacks and whites have equal rights, at least in theory if not always in practice.

The different experiences of the two groups

To understand the deep division that exists between African Americans and Africans, one first has to examine the background of the two groups.

Before migrating to the United States, most Africans have typically dealt with white Americans who went to Africa as Peace Corps volunteers, missionaries, doctors or teachers. These Americans acted as mentors and guardians to the Africans and developed positive relationships with them.

When they come to the United States, it has been my experience that Africans can easily identify with white Americans because they understand each other. Before migrating to the United States, the majority of Africans have had little to no direct negative experiences with whites. They simply do not hate them.

On the other hand, most African-Americans grew up in black neighborhoods where they learned from older generations the history of slavery and the cruelty it inflicted on the black race. Furthermore, they have usually experienced firsthand and in their communities the legacies of racism that still exist in the United States.

With this background, many African-Americans are not generally predisposed to trust white Americans, and they look down on those African immigrants who express respect or admiration for white Americans.

How they react to racism and discrimination

A fundamental difference between African Americans and African immigrants is the way they react to racism and discrimination.

African Americans usually see racism as the main cause of poverty among their people. They are also quick to point out instances of perceived racism, even in circumstances where it is ambiguous, unclear or more complex than simple racial bigotry or discrimination.

A classic example is the currently large African-American population in prison. Most African-Americans feel that the only reason there are so many African Americans incarcerated is their race. They blame police discrimination and lawmakers who make laws weighted to punish blacks.

For Africans, after suffering many years in civil wars, military coups and other problems, they are happy to be in a country that offers them freedom. They are ready to integrate into the American culture without getting involved in the lingering racial conflicts. They do not typically get involved in the ongoing civil rights struggle – and that has angered many African-Americans.

How they react to adversity

Perhaps the greatest difference I have seen between African immigrants and African-Americans is how they react to adversity.

Most African immigrants to the United States came here for economic advancement. They do not have any political agenda. They are willing to take any job and do not blame the “system” when they fail in their endeavors.

Most African immigrants to the United States often live in mixed neighborhoods instead of black neighborhoods and they easily integrate. African immigrants know who they are. They are not easily offended when someone tries to put them down. They know where they come from and why they are here.

For African-Americans, there is often a tendency to blame slavery for most of the problems they face today. For instance, when African American students fail in school, some educators blame slavery and do not look for other factors.

However, the time has come for African Americans to realize that while racism still persists, the best thing they can do for their children is to teach them to take full responsibility for their actions. Fathers need to take care of their children and young women need to stay in school instead of having children.

It is only when black people, be they from Africa or America, unite to instill discipline and respect for each other that the chasm that has divided us will narrow. Then we can finally work together to remove poverty from our people both here in the United States and Africa.

Source: https://www.theglobalist.com/african-americans-african-immigrants-differ/

Excellent write up!

coninse:
Wonderful writeup. I can definitely relate to some references in your article. Some AA believe Africans are taking up their jobs, have no regard for them and think they are lazy.

At the same time, I think without the AA efforts and struggle, Africans won't enjoy the rights and opportunities provided to them today.

We are one race. We need to start working together to advance our interests or perish together because other race hate our skin color. That's a fact

AA Means - (African Americans)

How are both of them "one?"

codemaniacs:
let me rephrase.

I don't believe there was inter-continental and intra-continental trading of slaves...

I believe slavery happened but not the trans-atlantic slave trade...

"..I don't believe there was inter-continental and intra-continental trading of slaves..."

What you or any one else believe is irrelevant

Transatlantic Slave trade happened, An indisputable FACT

If want prof go to the communities that it happened, the relatives of the slaves taken are still there
The monuments and sites were the shipping took place are still here in Africa

Its actually silly to think it didn't happen

GogobiriLalas:
Institutionalized racism is a thing in America simplicita.

The white man has put in place a socio cultural and economic system to consolidate the ill gotten advantage it acquired and to ensure that the progeny of those whom he once enslaved never rise to a position where they're able to challenge or avenge the historical wrong that was done to them.

Irrespective of political isms, the traps are overt and covert and sometimes missed by foreigners especially African diaspora who are more excited about a perceived advantage they think they gain in their newly adopted country, however, the African American has learnt from experience to maintain a healthy dose of suspicion for anything white.

From slavery to KKK to Jim Crow, from Welfarism to Sangers' Planned Parenthood and from despicable race based horrific Government backed pseudo scientific experiments sans syphilis, tuberculosis and leprosy colonies to the so called war on drugs and other petty crimes that has enabled the white man to jail a quarter of the most virile and productive male members of the African American society, the African American has evolved to distrust anything the white man does and to respond with violence whenever the opportunity presents itself and I daresay rightly so, the white man's cowardice in the face of unbridled violence is beautiful to behold.

The African migrant as usual, is quick to point fingers at his cousin's violent propensities, his unwillingness to countenance anything white as having any good or merit; he forgets quite quickly that centuries of cohabitation with the white man has given the African American a unique insight into the nature of the white species of the human race.

The African American on the other hand, holds on to centuries old grudge in which he believes that the ancestors of his ignorant cousins sold his ancestors into slavery, he perceives in the African migrant an air of condescension which he believes stems from a feeling that 'my ancestors were superior to yours and were able to run faster from the white man'.

Thus a clash between the two becomes almost inevitable that the evil genius of the white man is quick to identify and exploit for his ultimate agenda I.e. the total subjugation of this subhuman species who dares aspire to personhood. The white man would rather elevate his dog than the black man - fact.

The conclusion is that the black race as usual has taken the easy path of hate and casting blames and aspersions; finding a reason to hate your neighbor is always easy, it is hard to find a reason to love and respect him.

Like the Joseph incidence in biblical lore (Joseph was sold into slavery by his jealous brethren), the migrant can learn so much from those who were there before him, whilst those who were there before have a great opportunity in the migrant to reconnect with what they once lost.

This is a great opportunity to consolidate our knowledge and experiences, take stock of what we did wrong and how easily we allowed other races to subjugate and enslave us and to forge a common path forward.

Are you AA?

CoolJulian:
Are you AA?

Nah I'm 100% Nigerian but I've lived and worked out here in Los Angeles as an Attorney for over 6yrs.

I enjoy people watching hence my presence on Nairaland.

Wolgrace:
Through love, unity and peace, the chinese stood up to withdraw as inferior, and sit and reason together to become superior as a nation. Hence the self dependence, stiffen penalties of the law, all round inventions, infrastructures, agricultural sufficiencies, herbs and roots dependence, home work/economic activities, internal monetary circulation, high birth rate, international spying and hijacking of knowledge, traditional language and education, etc.... Buhari is trying imitate this pattern but won't be easy because of indifferences and glaring nepotism. Black race need to reason together and act uprightly.

Buhari is dead
And he was an Islamic Jihadist

What Black race need is Biafra

caye:
NOW, I THINK I NEED TO ADD MY OWN AND POINT OUT ERRORS IN SOME CONTRIBUTIONS TO THESE DISCUSSIONS
the real tragedy of Africa (which we must turn around positively) is the refusal of the African to learn from his true history.
'only a fool allows his enemies to teach his children- Malcolm 'Omowale El-Hajj Shabazz' X'

Imagine this scenario:
You were a little girl (ages 4-5) kidnapped by people from other languages and culture but with same skin, during war (with your parents killed); that the welcoming beginnings of a traumatic and hellish existence. After, you were sold into stinking slave ships to people with different skins , culture and languages. Some of your peers died (70-80%),while the women among you were routinely raped, to satisfy these foreigners.
On getting to their land, you were sold like cattle, demeaned and told you now were a property of humans like you. You lost your language, culture and religion; in fact to make their point known, these foreigners killed some of your fellow prisoners-colleagues through swords, machetes or being eaten alive by beasts. You were forced to work extremely long hours from 4:30 in the morning to 11:00 pm at night. At age 10-13, there were often routine rape by the master, his friends and the poor overseers who belong to the masters race: anal sex, forced sex, beatings, ...just let your imaginations run wild. Also, men from your race were encouraged to sleep (rape) you as a very young teenager, in order to increase the slave population. Many of your friends died during child-birth, but you were 'lucky' - your child survived. However, your child would have been better off dead. Why? He was sold at age 5 to other strangers who turned him to a beast of burden. His childhood was effectively destroyed. Equally, laws were made to prevent you from reading (learning the truth in books; so you were always illiterate).

Those laws became institutions you and your generations fought till death. Your latter generations (who had little access to Father figures who were systematically [as in deliberately] denied employment, land or dignifying labour and usually sent to jail compared to people from other races or the enslaver's race) were undisciplined due to their spirits being 'almost eternally 'broken by seeing their Mothers being lesser than animals. Your enemies then proceeded to destroy you through covert means : disease warfare, psychological brain washing using religion, music (glorifying unbridled sex ,drugs and violence AGAINST YOUR OWN PEOPLE).

Tell me, why should such person not be eternally angry, vengeful and a psychological wreck within the committee of nations? Why would such person trust people from his continent who betrayed him? Why should such person see the dignity of suffering now to enjoy later, when he/ she has seen the parents (usually single Mothers)g to show for it? Why should such person love the descendant of her enemies , who enslaved, raped and destroyed her psychologically? I just summed up 500 years of enslavement, Jim Crow, CIA drug flooding and psychological warfare by European media on the African-American.

The chief problem of a lot of Nigerians is : they are half-baked 'ignorants', who think they know what suffering means but clearly have no idea; because they don't read for the sake of knowledge
How many of you have read the following books:
1. Destruction of black civilisation
2.The Autobiography of Malcolm X
3. Olaudah Equiano
4. Diary of an economic hitman
5. (a paraphrase) Memoirs of ***Shaw (Lord Lugard's girlfriend)

I was appalled when I read many ignorant comments here. Some one called codedmaniacs saying : the transatlantic and transaharan slave trade never happened. Who told you that?
I am hoever not surprised. A lot of 'foreign alphabet' agents pretending to be black/ Africans/ Afro-Americans are here on nairaland.com, in order to brainwash Africans. Make no mistake: the psychological brain washing has moved from the TV (using CNN, MTV and other western consumables) to the internet.

For the genuine seekers of knowledge, 3 main negative spiritual energies holding the African continent from progress:
1. [the old ]Human sacrifices
2. Slavery
3. Human rituals

Unless we apologise to God Almighty, and our Afro-American and Afro-Carribeans brothers, we will end up 1000 years behind all other races. The Afro- American deserves an apology for what some foolish African Kings and nobles did to their brothers and sisters (not all of them though). Take as an example: Efunsetan Aniwura who had a lot of slaves in Ibadan and sold them to foreigners, names in Yoruba land like Ologun-eeru (the man with 20/ miriad slaves) and the wars of plunder between the Oyo empire and Dahomey. Lets not even talk about the Akan who institutionalised slavery within their Kingdom in Ghana.
Coming to the 21st century: the plunder of Africa by Africans, selling their fellowmen and stashing their ill-gotten wealth in Switzerland, UK, Belize, Dubai, USA e.t.c, while leaving their continent with broken infrastructure, murderous un-CIVIL wars (the Congo world war from 1950s to present and the resource war in Liberia, Sierra leone and NW Nigeria), massacres, hunger and the latest- terrorism (a covert means of 21st century Arab, Turkish and French (?)) re-colonisations.

Are we Africans ready to be taken seriously by other races, or should we become extinct and extinguished like a match-flame in front of a tornado?. I really pity us, if we all continue in our glorified ignorance.
I drop my pen.

Narrow minded nonsense

Irrational behaviour has no excuse
All black people should get their act together

kabukabu50:
African immigrants have much to learn from African Americans when you see what they have been through over the last 400 years..

They've had their language stripped from them, given white names, used as free labor to build every wealth for white merchants,told that Africa is a hell hole by the white media,sexualized by white culture and poisoned by drugs that are sold to mostly whites.

At a point after slavery was ended and thriving black communities were starting to emerge all over the US, jealous white supremacists organised riots and burned down their churches, grocery stores and schools because they hated seeing blacks making progress on their own.

Africans need to empathize with our brethren and support them.

No one need to empathize with anyone cause all black people are suffering
Enough of that victim mentality rubbish
Every one should get their shit together then we can move forward

Africans had and are still having it worse

No excuse for irrational behaviour on anyone's part

Destroyerofyeeb:
Most of these African Americans are also very intolerant and condescend Africans with their nasty, ignorant, close minded and rude lifestyle , that's why Africans tend to isolate them and flow more with Latinos, Asians, white and even afro carribeans. They are mentally damaged people always quick to attach race to every issue which in my opinion I think is gonna really limit their potentials. Nigerians are their no1 enemies, not surprised though every insecure black person has issues with Nigerians because of how over self-confident and loud we are from ghana to satafrika

If every person you deal with has a problem with you, may be you are the problem... Have you thought about that.

OP, your article is one of many narrow-minded posts that further strain the relationship between African Americans and African migrants. Your situations are far from the same. Just because you had free education or paid next to nothing to get schooled in Africa doesn't put you on the moral high ground to advise. What is the average cost of tuition in America? How many African Americans can afford it, given the poverty in their neighbourhoods. This is, again, the same Nigerian brash intrusiveness of offering unsolicited advice about a situation they do not fully understand. You think they are fixated on race, and that statement would offend any African American. You have no idea what they have endured over the decades, but now you, in a very offhand way, advise them to have a different relationship with white people because you had a different experience with them. Ridiculous conclusion that!
Your article was alright until you started to proffer advice, and in so doing, put the African American in the wrong and suggested their minds need repairing while the African is the ideal of all he should aspire to. You can see the same sentiments being echoed through the comments. According to you, the African fully integrates into mainstream American culture, but this integration conveniently excludes understanding the African American experience. How is that not a rather upsetting integration? The relationship between both groups is clearly damaged, but any repair must first identify that there are also things the African can improve upon. Relationship is a two way street!

codemaniacs:
like I told Wolgrace and 1Sharon

no African nation has ever been the manufacturing hub of any european nation and the europeans don't do knowledge and technology transfer with Africans..

why don't AA's have an AA made smartphone, AA made technology e.t.c.?

Africans contribute more, the resources are gotten mostly from Africa....

europeans need a ready market to sell finished products to and Africa acts as that ready market...

would africans buy european products if they have been making their own products for the last 60 years...

without a ready market to sell products to Companies will fail.. in other words, without africa ready market europe will collapse..

OK,why isn't Africa making it's own products for it's own market?Or why is Africa not making products that goes global as it European,Asian counterparts?

kongolo:
That is not true.Africa would have developed at her own pace.We would also have traded with other regions.Thesame way other regions did with themselves

that kind of pace...,no wonder Nigeria is developing 200 years backwards.look at Korea,Singapore,UAE,countries that started just years back have left us.then no body should call Buhari "baba go slow" or GEJ "slowpoke" again since the Blackman is inherently slow paced in development.Then it is really not the issue of our leaders after all,it is the black man's development "pace".

passion007:
OP, your article is one of many narrow-minded posts that further strain the relationship between African Americans and African migrants. Your situations are far from the same. Just because you had free education or paid next to nothing to get schooled in Africa doesn't put you on the moral high ground to advise. What is the average cost of tuition in America? How many African Americans can afford it, given the poverty in their neighbourhoods. This is, again, the same Nigerian brash intrusiveness of offering unsolicited advice about a situation they do not fully understand. You think they are fixated on race, and that statement would offend any African American. You have no idea what they have endured over the decades, but now you, in a very offhand way, advise them to have a different relationship with white people because you had a different experience with them. Ridiculous conclusion that!
Your article was alright until you started to proffer advice, and in so doing, put the African American in the wrong and suggested their minds need repairing while the African is the ideal of all he should aspire to. You can see the same sentiments being echoed through the comments. According to you, the African fully integrates into mainstream American culture, but this integration conveniently excludes understanding the African American experience. How is that not a rather upsetting integration? The relationship between both groups is clearly damaged, but any repair must first identify that there are also things the African can improve upon. Relationship is a two way street!

This is the kind of hypocrisy and arrogance that Nigerians especially display without apology. Apparently it's regarded as being real and a representation of the Nigerian resilience.

Many Nigerians on and away from this forum have the tendency to resist change form their narrow minded ways. A sorry sight.

Obiaksnews:
This write up is absolutely true, if you are a major user of twitter you would notice from time to time the clash between Africans and African Americans, What makes it even more painful is when African Americans make derogatory statements about Africans forgetting they themselves are first Africans before they became Americans. African Americans perceive racism in their everyday life that they get mad even when a white individual rocks an hair style typically worn by Africans, And even get more mad when Africans don't support their notion or perceive an act of racism which to an African is something they are used to here in their everyday life. The problem between both parties is their different levels of orientation, there needs to be a way for this gap to be bridged in order for both parties to be able to achieve growth together.

Why do they need to achieve growth together?
If in Nigeria, people who live together do not want to achieve growth together, how would people who are so far apart, know nothing about each other, want to achieve growth together?