mvem:
Only 5 countries are capable of reading a black box which Iran or Ukraine is not inclusive. I believed Radar actually took it up before the strike. Everything is not conspiracy, some years ago Russia mistakenly brought down a civilian south Korean plane( in the 90s). A foreign plane can actually make it close to Tehran before being intercepted by an anti air missile system, so you saying a jet will be intercepted before entry in Iranian airspace is actually an exaggeration . The Plane crashed few hours Iran sent missiles to Iraq. Iran later knew that US have scrambled jets from UAE and were on high alert. Systems fail a lot, the passenger plane would have been mistaken as a foreign threat. And please Iran has not invited US or France who are actually capable of reading the black box. obviously they won't invite US

Wise and intelligent people wait to see development of events and not join the bandwagon of serial liars and propagandists. Be wise.

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Wise and intelligent people wait to see development of events and not join the bandwagon of serial liars and propagandists. Be wise.[/quotes]. S

AlBaqir:



Wise and intelligent people wait to see development of events and not join the bandwagon of serial liars and propagandists. Be wise.

what exactly have you shown now?...Iran don't have the technology to read a black box and it is widely known but you call that propaganda because it doesn't fit your narrative...The trump part and I don't even get how that fits my argument. It is now widely known with images from radar and other military Intelligence that Iran surface to air missile was responsible for hitting the plane which is very likely was made in error. It has happened in the past if you check history, no matter how advance your air missile defense system is error still occur . In 1988 US mistakenly brought down an Iranian commercial airline...in 1986 a Russian missile mistakenly brought down a South Korean airliner...even most recently in the Ukrainian war a Russian surface to air missile mistakenly brought down a dutch airliner and these are advanced defense systems...so what is your point ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7r4VMTM2GE

Iran video show missile striking Ukrainian plane

A new video as emerged which appears to show the moment a Ukrainian passenger jet was shot down in Iran. The phone footage shows a tiny spec suddenly exploding. The light disappears before the sound of impact can be heard just over 20 seconds later.

mvem:
what exactly have you shown now?...Iran don't have the technology to read a black box and it is widely known but you call that propaganda because it doesn't fit your narrative...The trump part and I don't even get how that fits my argument. It is now widely known with images from radar and other military Intelligence that Iran surface to air missile was responsible for hitting the plane which is very likely was made in error. It has happened in the past if you check history, no matter how advance your air missile defense system is error still occur . In 1988 US mistakenly brought down an Iranian commercial airline...in 1986 a Russian missile mistakenly brought down a South Korean airliner...even most recently in the Ukrainian war a Russian surface to air missile mistakenly brought down a dutch airliner and these are advanced defense systems...so what is your point ?

Iran doesn't have the capability to read the black box. Iran has invited experts from various countries into the investigation. Simple, but western media and foot soldiers like you have already concluded based on nothing.

This means the world so called technology is very poor if there can be any satellite that can capture the evil event.

cupidFlint:
Judging from Iran's refusal to hand the over the black box and the level of damage that was done to the plane I knew that plane couldn't have crashed on its own. There have to be a heavy external explosion that made its
parts shatter to the level pictured. Remember the passengers were Americans travelling to Canada and Iran vowed to hit USA hard... they just bit more than they can chew

A very useless country with no human side to them. That's how most of those countries are. The US attacked a military personnel (who is a terrorist). Possible that some civilian may be affected, the US usually assesses such damages before any attack. Now over to Iran, they blow a 100% civilian plane out of the sky.

Now if the whole world calls for their head now they will start crying foul.

mvem:
what exactly have you shown now?...Iran don't have the technology to read a black box and it is widely known but you call that propaganda because it doesn't fit your narrative...The trump part and I don't even get how that fits my argument. It is now widely known with images from radar and other military Intelligence that Iran surface to air missile was responsible for hitting the plane which is very likely was made in error. It has happened in the past if you check history, no matter how advance your air missile defense system is error still occur . In 1988 US mistakenly brought down an Iranian commercial airline...in 1986 a Russian missile mistakenly brought down a South Korean airliner...even most recently in the Ukrainian war a Russian surface to air missile mistakenly brought down a dutch airliner and these are advanced defense systems...so what is your point ?

. shhhhhh.. Iran has opened the black box in presence of Ukrainian officials. like the guy you quoted said, why don't y'all wait till all investigations are made on the black box b4 concluding Iran shot the plane down? haba!!

AlBaqir:


Iran doesn't have the capability to read the black box. Iran has invited experts from various countries into the investigation. Simple, but western media and foot soldiers like you have already concluded based on nothing.

thank you!! same thing the Canadian PM was saying about some audio intelligence report that claimed iran downed the plane, we're talking human lives here and you didn't provide the Intel to nail Iran. I'm still holding my backlash against Iran tho, until investigations proved them as the culprit, and not jump on the bandwagon castigating Iran like a dumb fool just because US "believed" Iran shot it down!!

TBH, I'm ashamed at some so called "educated" individuals here whom can't use their sense in matters like this. you don't just jump into conclusion when investigations are still underway.

21cents:
. shhhhhh.. Iran has opened the black box in presence of Ukrainian officials. like the guy you quoted said, why don't y'all wait till all investigations are made on the black box b4 concluding Iran shot the plane down? haba!!

Iran has no tech to read the black box ....countries like France etc have that capability ....so by default Iran should invite capable hands but refusing not to will only grow suspicion. Us can't read the black box of an airplane without involving the manufacturers

KingAzubuike:

Young man, the pilot tried to return. The iranians weren't responsible. Take it or believe it.

how did the US then shoot down the plane (as per your insinuations) if the pilot tried to return?

Personally i dont believe this was unintentional. In my opinion Iran is willing to sacrifice their own people as collateral damage inorder to get back at US and her allies. I was surprised when the news reported that the iranian missiles did not kill any American in the bombarded military base. Iran is playing their own mind games now and this is just the beginning. Trump don enter one chance bus, because these Iranians go try to kill him career. Wahala goes to town.

PerfectlyPerfect:

I love this. Look how people with sense are stating the fact, while we rush to believe the US simply because they're the US

Of course, they know the Americans alot since Canada is US closest neighbors and one of it's closest allies (at least before Trump's election).

MiltonFine:
Personally i dont believe this was unintentional. In my opinion Iran is willing to sacrifice their own people as collateral damage inorder to get back at US and her allies. I was surprised when the news reported that the iranian missiles did not kill any American in the bombarded military base. Iran is playing their own mind games now and this is just the beginning. Trump don enter one chance bus, because these Iranians go try to kill him career. Wahala goes to town.

Who knows. Atleast, the killing of Soleimani and the plane crash has diverted attention away from his impeachment wahala for now. Same thing he accused Obama of trying to do in 2011 in an election year and called it pathetic. We now know who the pathetic one is.

mvem:
Iran has no tech to read the black box ....countries like France etc have that capability ....so by default Iran should invite capable hands but refusing not to will only grow suspicion. Us can't read the black box of an airplane without involving the manufacturers

Iran has extended invitation to capable hands.

Izigha:


its possible war situations are fluid and tense, the operator is not looking at the sky for what he or she is shooting at. its a computer screen miles away from the airport. in the screen the aircraft is just a heat signature.
and surface to air missile are program to seek heat.

99.99% impossible

The route was a regular airline route

You don't shoot down planes cos of heat signature


As a matter of fact plane types have different signatures that a remote computer would recognize


Again its impossible to mistake a fighter jet for a commercial airline


And its not a war situation yet

RisenPhoenix:


It is possible if you have incompetent nervous nincompoops manning the air defence systems, and F35s are not the only fighters used by the US. It could also have been mistaken for a military transport plane etc. Even Canada has joined the others in accepting this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash/iran-likely-downed-ukraine-airliner-with-missiles-canadas-trudeau-says-citing-intelligence-idUSKBN1Z80I3

While that's true also read a piece from BBC and CNN last night that confirms that it's 99.99999999 % impossible to mistake airliner for fighter jets


And why would USA send military transport to fly over Iran? When they have boots and bases in dubai, Iraq, and most of middle east


??

double post

DaBullIT:


While that's true also read a piece from BBC and CNN last night that confirms that it's 99.99999999 % impossible to mistake airliner for fighter jets


And why would USA send military transport to fly over Iran? When they have boots and bases in dubai, Iraq, and most of middle east


??

You forgot the link to the BBC and CNN.

Ask the Iranians who made the error. Virtually everyone has come to close to 100% certainty that Iranian SAMs shot down that airplane. All these speculatory pseudo-analyses in defence of the indefensible doesn't cut it this time around. Iran should just come clean and admit their mistake. Oh wait; they can't, because they have to project a strength, accuracy and competence that they just don't possess. So almost 200 people get killed for a face-saving farce.

salford1:

Who knows. Atleast, the killing of Soleimani and the plane crash has diverted attention away from his impeachment wahala for now. Same thing he accused Obama of trying to do in 2011 in an election year and called it pathetic. We now know who the pathetic one is.

On point!

See how Boeing almost took the fall for a Trump-Iran joke.

SimDan95:



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Siga:
Trump and Iran caused this nonsense..... they all have blood on their hands....

You better dont mention Trump abi. are you one of these religious bigot?, cant you call space a space? Iranians are wrong not Trump okay, Iranians are
terrorist and any man supporting them.

Trump will psy for these things in november. The man is lacking brain power to hold that office. Every thing appears easy and simple to that loafer trying to act tough to cover cluelessness.
Obama was balancing the middle east between shia and sunni also keeping Israel safe. Now US is in the stupidity business

einsteine:


It was headed for Iran. More than half of the people there were Iranians. So how can they avoid their destination?

Ok. I've gotten the true picture now.

Do you think Arab Spring did not have foundation?

The West especially the US have an history of being in bed with authoritarian regimes. They are their allies, they tolerated them for their selfish interests. Egypt and Tunisia protestere blamed the West. Afterall, their dictators were allies with the West. It is like how UK still went ahead to sell weapons to Saudi after they murdered Khassogi. US made excuses for the murder before Saudi released a word.

With Libya and Syria, who militarized the rebels?

greggng:


I disagree with you to some extent . We all know how the Arab spring started ....a certain guy had to burn himself simply cos price of bread was increased...in Tunisia ....Suddenly this lead to the people asking for change...no international community was involved ....same process took place in Egypt and when it got to Libya gadafi became violent killing his people . Au send obj and other African countries to appeal to gadafi to listen to the voice of his people. But he adamant ....The killing became too much that international community were begged to help....He was given a soft landing but he believed the leadership of Lybia is his birth right. No sane country that loves humanity will fold their arms and watch this evil keep going on...The needful was done. That is why i respect USA more than Russia ...,when Assad of Syria was using chemical gas on his people simply cos they said we don't want you again....They need change but he believed is his birth right ....America was prepared to help but Russia kept sobataging the gains made...so America had to pull out...Russia just wanna sell their weapon, they don't care if the people are dieing or not. The point I am making is clear ...America has the option of romancing with any government in power to achieve there economic gains but they prefer to stand by justice irrespective of the price they had to pay....That cannot be said for russia

21cents:
thank you!! same thing the Canadian PM was saying about some audio intelligence report that claimed iran downed the plane, we're talking human lives here and you didn't provide the Intel to nail Iran. I'm still holding my backlash against Iran tho, until investigations proved them as the culprit, and not jump on the bandwagon castigating Iran like a dumb fool just because US "believed" Iran shot it down!!

TBH, I'm ashamed at some so called "educated" individuals here whom can't use their sense in matters like this. you don't just jump into conclusion when investigations are still underway.

Iran has finally admitted to mistakenly shot down the plane. It is sad and unforgivable that aviation industry was not shut down amidst the tension. Lives are precious to be played with.

greggng:


I disagree with you to some extent . We all know how the Arab spring started ....a certain guy had to burn himself simply cos price of bread was increased...in Tunisia ....Suddenly this lead to the people asking for change...no international community was involved ....same process took place in Egypt and when it got to Libya gadafi became violent killing his people . Au send obj and other African countries to appeal to gadafi to listen to the voice of his people. But he adamant ....The killing became too much that international community were begged to help....He was given a soft landing but he believed the leadership of Lybia is his birth right. No sane country that loves humanity will fold their arms and watch this evil keep going on...The needful was done. That is why i respect USA more than Russia ...,when Assad of Syria was using chemical gas on his people simply cos they said we don't want you again....They need change but he believed is his birth right ....America was prepared to help but Russia kept sobataging the gains made...so America had to pull out...Russia just wanna sell their weapon, they don't care if the people are dieing or not. The point I am making is clear ...America has the option of romancing with any government in power to achieve there economic gains but they prefer to stand by justice irrespective of the price they had to pay....That cannot be said for russia

America? Stand by justice? Are we talking about the same United States? The US has no right whatsoever in intervening in other countries affairs, period! Let the citizens of those countries fight for their own rights. They have the right to decide what they want and what they think is best for THEIR OWN COUNTRY. The arrogance of the US has done more good than bad.

This doesn't mean I agree with everything Gaddafi did, but fact is Libya was in a better condition before the intervention of the US. Libya is a failed state today BECAUSE of the intervention of the US.

salford1:

Iran has extended invitation to capable hands.

Iran has admitted it shot down the plane in error

21cents:
. shhhhhh.. Iran has opened the black box in presence of Ukrainian officials. like the guy you quoted said, why don't y'all wait till all investigations are made on the black box b4 concluding Iran shot the plane down? haba!!

Iran just admitted it shot down the plane in error