kayfra:


They control a lot of the structures and also lean on outside support. Hence, my initial statement about the most organized, not the highest numbers

Fulani's control little to nothing in state like Nasarawa, Kogi, Benua, and Niger, only in platue and Abuja i will agree that they hold sway on small structure which is still not a threat to the entire middle belt.

iSlayer:
Unlike what you'd think if you're not in the Middlebelt, they are not willing to go with Arewastan (core North) in the event of a break up. Most of them detest the idea to the very last!

Now, looking at some dynamics at play. These people are not power desperate. They would be able to sit together and discuss their way forward. Secondly, they don't have the curse of oil. They are great farmers (the best in the whole country actually) and all that oil politics and strive will not come in.

I think they'll make a stable country if they go it alone.



Coming to the Niger Delta, they're more developed and educated than the Middlebelt and also filthy rich due to the abundance of Crude Oil in the region. However, the desperation for power amongst them is unrivaled across the country. Can they sit together and chart a common course, without resorting to show of force, in the event of a breakup? It looks unlikely.


Between the two, which in your estimation can form a stable working country, devoid of political strife?

Middle belt will be a very stable country because they have unity of purpose and a lot of economic potential. If they are shrewd, tourism can be their chief source of revenue. They do have their issues like the Tiv and Jukun fights though

I doubt Niger Delta can even form an independent state. They never seem to agree on anything.

Spicycat:


You don't know what you are saying, the Fulani's are visitors and their numbers count to nothing. If we want them out we'll flush them in a twinkle of an eye.

You don't need to argue with him cos he knows nothing about middle belt

Spicycat:


Fulani's control little to nothing in state like Nasarawa, Kogi, Benua, and Niger, only in platue and Abuja i will agree that they hold sway on small structure which is still not a threat to the entire middle belt.

The Fulanis control nothing in the Plateau

Spicycat:


Fulani's control little to nothing in state like Nasarawa, Kogi, Benua, and Niger, only in platue and Abuja i will agree that they hold sway on small structure which is still not a threat to the entire middle belt.

Fulanis have strong control in Nassarawa and Niger in addition to the one you already mentioned. Nasarawa is part of the emirate and same as Niger

Emir of Keffi
Emir of Lafia
Emir of Lafiagi
Etsu Nupe
Emir of Nasarawa
Borgu emirate
Lapai
Emir of Ilorin

Etc

kayfra:


They control a lot of the structures and also lean on outside support. Hence, my initial statement about the most organized, not the highest numbers

Everything you keep writing here are just fallacies

Yohans:

The Fulanis control nothing in the Plateau

There are the main reason for the unending crisis in plateau, that's why I sad that.

Yohans:

Everything you keep writing here are just fallacies

Coz you are dreaming. Wake the fawk up

Spicycat:


There are the main reason for the unending crisis in plateau, that's why I sad that.

I know but anyway thanks

kayfra:


Coz you are dreaming. Wake the fawk up

Haha you are so funny and with the way you arguing I don't think you have ever been to middle.

kayfra:


Coz you are dreaming. Wake the fawk up

Haha you are so funny and with the way you arguing I don't think you have ever been to middlebelt or know anything about its history.

Yohans:

Haha you are so funny and with the way you arguing I don't think you have ever been to middle.

Those are traditional rulers in Kwara, Niger and Nasarawa right? They are all Fulani ancestry and organized

kayfra:


Fulanis have strong control in Nassarawa and Niger in addition to the one you already mentioned. Nasarawa is part of the emirate and same as Niger

Emir of Keffi
Emir of Lafia
Emir of Lafiagi
Etsu Nupe
Emir of Nasarawa
Borgu emirate
Lapai
Emir of Ilorin

Etc

There are Emir's in the middle East, does that make them Fulani or what exactly are you trying to say?

Spicycat:


There are Emir's in the middle East, does that make them Fulani or what exactly are you trying to say?

Tell me any of those Emirs that I listed that isn't Fulani. Just name one

kayfra:
Ilorin, Bida, Gwari, Keffi, Lafia etc




Ilorin, Bida, Gwari, Keffi, Lafia etc Niger, Kwara, Nassarawa etc. All have Fulani emirates

Most of you don't even know or understand the country. Just clueless people all over

They can't lord it. Simple.

iskoki:
Don't confuse Middlebelt with North Central. North Central is a geopolitical zone in Nigeria that comprises 6 states :
1. Plateau.
2. Benue.
3. Kwara.
4. Kogi.
5. Nassarawa
6. Niger.

However, the Middlebelt is a conglomeration of the tribes that are found in the central part of Nigeria. People of middlebelt include most of the tribes mentioned in the 6 aforementioned states plus tribes from parts of the following :

1. Kaduna - Southern part to be specific.
2. Taraba - Jujun etc
3. Kebbi. - Zuru
4. Bauchi
5. Adamawa
6. Taraba.
7. Gombe.

There are a few other tribes I wouldn't be able to mention.

You're very correct. In order not to complicate the write up I left it at North Central.

nku5:


Middle belt will be a very stable country because they have unity of purpose and a lot of economic potential. If they are shrewd, tourism can be their chief source of revenue. They do have their issues like the Tiv and Jukun fights though

I doubt Niger Delta can even form an independent state. They never seem to agree on anything.

My thoughts too.

Spicycat:


Fulani's control little to nothing in state like Nasarawa, Kogi, Benua, and Niger, only in platue and Abuja i will agree that they hold sway on small structure which is still not a threat to the entire middle belt.

Exactly.

Sammy07:
None of them...
Both regions have huge differences within them.



Benue State, Plateau State, Taraba State, Niger State, Kogi State, Nassarawa State, Kwara State, Adamawa State, and the Federal Capital Territory.

Are you excluding Yorubas of kwara and kogi from middlebelt state

iskoki:
Don't confuse Middlebelt with North Central. North Central is a geopolitical zone in Nigeria that comprises 6 states :
1. Plateau.
2. Benue.
3. Kwara.
4. Kogi.
5. Nassarawa
6. Niger.

However, the Middlebelt is a conglomeration of the tribes that are found in the central part of Nigeria. People of middlebelt include most of the tribes mentioned in the 6 aforementioned states plus tribes from parts of the following :

1. Kaduna - Southern part to be specific.
2. Taraba - Jujun etc
3. Kebbi. - Zuru
4. Bauchi
5. Adamawa
6. Taraba.
7. Gombe.

There are a few other tribes I wouldn't be able to mention.

Brilliantly said

kayfra:


Fulanis have strong control in Nassarawa and Niger in addition to the one you already mentioned. Nasarawa is part of the emirate and same as Niger

Emir of Keffi
Emir of Lafia
Emir of Lafiagi
Etsu Nupe
Emir of Nasarawa
Borgu emirate
Lapai
Emir of Ilorin

Etc

I would be offended if I was from the Middlebelt, with this comment.

Did you say strong control in Nasarawa? Bro it's obvious you've never been to Nasarawa or stayed there. This is unrestrained bullshit. There's little to no Fulani control in Nasarawa.

kayfra:


Fulanis have strong control in Nassarawa and Niger in addition to the one you already mentioned. Nasarawa is part of the emirate and same as Niger

Emir of Keffi
Emir of Lafia
Emir of Lafiagi
Etsu Nupe
Emir of Nasarawa
Borgu emirate
Lapai
Emir of Ilorin

Etc

Ilorin is one town in kwara and should Nigeria divide they can’t go with north unless they want a Lesotho situation

Maybe the Niger Delta states on being unable to work out a common course would break into much smaller independent nations. Or unending civil unrest.

iSlayer:



I would be offended if I was from the Middlebelt, with this comment.

Did you say strong control in Nasarawa? Bro it's obvious you've never been to Nasarawa or stayed there. This is unrestrained bullshit. There's little to no Fulani control in Nasarawa.

I stated a basis for my argument. The 1st class traditional rulers in a lot of those states are Fulanis installed by the caliphate and they exercise considerable authority and leadership autonomy. What have you stated apart from conjecture?

iSlayer:
Maybe the Niger Delta states on being unable to work out a common course would break into much smaller independent nations or unending civil unrest.

Niger Delta as a country would be like Luanda in Angola. Expensive Country where Oil and gas, Technology, Maritime, Tourism and Industries would be common place.
They are historically, culturally and Religiously one. Christianity would be state religion while tolerating the 1% muslims in Auchi area.
All Hausafulanis Muslims would be Chased away for peace to reign supreme

kayfra:


I stated a basis for my argument. The 1st class traditional rulers in a lot of those states are Fulanis installed by the caliphate and they exercise considerable authority and leadership autonomy. What have you stated apart from conjecture?

Considerable authority in their village. Gaskiya!

TooMuchStuff:

Niger Delta as a country would be like Luanda in Angola. Expensive Country where Oil and gas, Technology, Maritime, Tourism and Industries would be common place.
They are historically, culturally and Religiously one. Christianity would be state religion while tolerating the 1% muslims in Auchi area.
All Hausafulanis Muslims would be Chased away for peace to reign supreme

Hm. Okay.

kayfra:


I stated a basis for my argument. The 1st class traditional rulers in a lot of those states are Fulanis installed by the caliphate and they exercise considerable authority and leadership autonomy. What have you stated apart from conjecture?

That is because power was handed over to Fulanis
In an independent nation that won’t exist again power will be handed over to the locals
Just how igbos don’t hold away over Niger delta again

Adefatima:


That is because power was handed over to Fulanis
In an independent nation that won’t exist again power will be handed over to the locals
Just how igbos don’t hold away over Niger delta again

The power still resides with them so speak factually and not some ideal utopia. I made fact based statements

kayfra:


The power still resides with them so speak factually and not some ideal utopia. I made fact based statements

Lol that is because Nigeria still exist

Take a look at kwara and kogi
If Yorubas there opt to join SW. you will be living in delusion to think emir of ilorin will still sit on his throne

Same thing with Niger
Should Nupes get their own country the Fulani Etsu Nupe is out

Osaze007:


Lol that is because Nigeria still exist

Take a look at kwara and kogi
If Yorubas there opt to join SW. you will be living in delusion to think emir of ilorin will still sit on his throne

Same thing with Niger
Should Nupes get their own country the Fulani Etsu Nupe is out

The Yorubas in Kwara are the most subservient bunch in our midst and there history of treachery makes me want to vomit