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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8: 3:29pm On Mar 01, 2020
Jh0wsef:
Why wasn't there a watermark?? Even if there wasn't a part payment..
Very intelligent question. We are their vendor and this is the tricky part of the treachery. When we finished, while we are still on the discussion of our Bill, Fbn through Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney requested us to produce small sample of about 100 ipad covers with the logo. We did to the best of our ability.
What we found strange until now is how Mrs Mumuney believe that the vendor job of supplying iPad covers we printed same logo we designed for them gives her and the bank a licence to use our intellectual property and then when we reminded them of our Bill, she refered us to legal. We have a reason to suspect it is a scheme from the onset to cheat us as a small brand.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Jh0wsef(m): 5:07pm On Mar 01, 2020
xtremecr8:

Very intelligent question. We are their vendor and this is the tricky part of the treachery. When we finished, while we are still on the discussion of our Bill, Fbn through Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney requested us to produce small sample of about 100 ipad covers with the logo. We did to the best of our ability.
What we found strange until now is how Mrs Mumuney believe that the vendor job of supplying iPad covers we printed same logo we designed for them gives her and the bank a licence to use our intellectual property and then when we reminded them of our Bill, she refered us to legal. We have a reason to suspect it is a scheme from the onset to cheat us as a small brand.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by digicreator: 6:39pm On Mar 01, 2020
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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Homextras: 8:04pm On Mar 01, 2020
Go to court,... Moral suasion won't help you much here.... Run a search of intellectual property lawyers in Nigeria, and you might be lucky to get a good one. But meet their legal unit first.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by AutoReportNG: 10:08pm On Mar 01, 2020
xtremecr8:

Very intelligent question. We are their vendor and this is the tricky part of the treachery. When we finished, while we are still on the discussion of our Bill, Fbn through Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney requested us to produce small sample of about 100 ipad covers with the logo. We did to the best of our ability.
What we found strange until now is how Mrs Mumuney believe that the vendor job of supplying iPad covers we printed same logo we designed for them gives her and the bank a licence to use our intellectual property and then when we reminded them of our Bill, she refered us to legal. We have a reason to suspect it is a scheme from the onset to cheat us as a small brand.

This is quite sad and painful, but I hope you are saying the truth here! Are you sure you have an agreement of contract, claim of ownership that this logo was done by you? FirstBank will want to protect its name and if there are some flops on your part, they may sue every penny out of you.

If you have any proof or claim to back this up, I will advice you store them in a cloud storage apart from your system, get it distrubted that you can have access to it.

As someone rightly said, try meet their legal team to know what they have to say, don't just assume yet, give them a fair hearing but it will be good to lawyer at this stage.

If all things fail, try to reach out to TheCable, SaharaReporters, ThePunch or Instablog9ja...

The main point is that, I hope you are saying the truth, hope in your contract there is nothing like this or breach of contract... If not, you have a.good case

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by drey22(m): 2:57am On Mar 02, 2020
Just seeing this and i think you might want to talk more on this matter maybe not just in a public forum thoo, you can reach out to me with hopes of getting this misunderstanding(i think) sorted out.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8: 3:13am On Mar 02, 2020
drey22:
Just seeing this and i think you might want to talk more on this matter maybe not just in a public forum thoo, you can reach out to me with hopes of getting this misunderstanding(i think) sorted out.
Thank you so very much sir. We have sent you a message.
Like we stated previously, we don't want to 'win' for the big brand First Bank to lose. As a matter of fact,until we started regretting the pain they have caused us so far,we appreciated the opportunity we have as a small brand to design their 125th Anniversary logo.
We just want them to pay us for designing their 125th Anniversary logo. We have been so much stressed by FIRST Bank on this issue and struggling to survive as a small brand. We are so not happy with how the bank and particularly Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney treated us at all but still have the hope that fair minded people will step in to help prevail on First bank to pay us.
We don't want to do case even though we are the victim in this case, we just want to get paid for our intellectual property and move on.

Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8: 3:26am On Mar 02, 2020
AutoReportNG:


This is quite sad and painful, but I hope you are saying the truth here! Are you sure you have an agreement of contract, claim of ownership that this logo was done by you? FirstBank will want to protect its name and if there are some flops on your part, they may sue every penny out of you.

If you have any proof or claim to back this up, I will advice you store them in a cloud storage apart from your system, get it distrubted that you can have access to it.

As someone rightly said, try meet their legal team to know what they have to say, don't just assume yet, give them a fair hearing but it will be good to lawyer at this stage.

If all things fail, try to reach out to TheCable, SaharaReporters, ThePunch or Instablog9ja...

The main point is that, I hope you are saying the truth, hope in your contract there is nothing like this or breach of contract... If not, you have a.good case
Thank you so very much for your valuable advice. We have noted them for follow up action. We have nothing to hide on this issue. If you consider how long between the day we posted this news here and constrained to escalate it now, you will bear with us and understand that we were truly constrained by the email from Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney and First Bank. In particular the continuous use of the logo we designed which we see on a daily basis while they have not paid us and still want us to be meeting with their legal unit is a troubling psychological torture we don't wish on any small Nigerian brand.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by SmallmebigGod: 7:41am On Mar 02, 2020
There is nothing wrong or intimidating about asking you to go through there legal unit. Except you get there and those ones now show intimidation.
You kept on saying you are small brand that can not afford a lawyer. With look of thing that is unavoidable may be with this social media protest you could get somebody willing to help for a little but you need a lawyer.

My suggestion is to meet with the lawyer and be giving live feedback on internet . and don't sign any agreement or start negotiations, just hear them out and tell them you will get back to them.
They might want to offer you money but with some legal works signed

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Compliant(m): 8:33am On Mar 02, 2020
@ op I don't think you are telling us the whole truth, because I see no reason why you dont want to goto legal dept and hear them out.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by AMvanquish: 9:44am On Mar 02, 2020
@ OP, First Go and hear what their legal Dept has to say, sometimes it might be to Sign off on some document before you get paid. Some companies require approvals from their Legal Dept before finance do any payment esp when it involves 3rd Parties. Go and hear what they have to say 1st and If its nothing positive , you can escalate from there.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by kokomaster3d: 9:56am On Mar 02, 2020
OP have you exhausted all avenue to seek justice before coming here. If not I advice you do so as evidence.

Have you written any formal letter to FGN in that regard? If you want to make case out of this, we need to see a formal letter demanding for your payment to the so called woman.

Also you sound unprofessional to have engaged the services of FGN without any written agreement to back your claim. You dont have to engage in any business committment with just word of mouth even if the person is your blood brother.
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8: 10:00am On Mar 02, 2020
Compliant:
@ op I don't think you are telling us the whole truth, because I see no reason why you dont want to goto legal dept and hear them out.

Please come, let us reason togerher sir. We are going to use a familiar experience we all have, if your tailor sews you cloth, delivers it to you and you ask him to come back for you to confirm to him that the sewn cloth fits you, the tailor didn't hear from you but sees you wearing the cloth everywhere and when he comes to you to collect his fee, is it legal unit in ideal situation you refer the tailor who has served you diligently to?
Our trust was clearly broken because they had used and still using the same logo we designed. If they had held on and not used our design and if it wasn't clearly after we protested, we would go to their legal unit.
Sir, referring us to their legal unit was an afterthought because we protested against such an unfair situation and we have been threatened subtly even by people who consider our small size and resources by reminding us if we think we are ready for 15 years case or have money for lawyers to do case for years against a big brand like FBN.
Sincerely,we are not ready.We just want to get paid for our Labour. Many people need to know this and learn from this our experience with FIRST Bank

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by JustAwesome: 10:08am On Mar 02, 2020
why not just file a law suit>
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by kokomaster3d: 10:09am On Mar 02, 2020
xtremecr8:

Please Come, let us reason togerher sir. We are going to use a familiar experience we all have, if your tailor sews you cloth, delivers it to you and you ask him to come back for you to confirm to him that the sewn cloth fits you, the tailor didn't hear from you but sees you wearing the cloth everywhere and when he comes to you to collect his fee, is it legal unit in ideal situation you refer the tailor who has served you diligently to?
Our trust was clearly broken because they had used and still using the same logo we designed. If they had held on and not used our design and if it wasn't clearly after we protested, we would go to their legal unit.
Sir, referring us to their legal unit was an afterthought because we protested against such an unfair situation and we have been threatened subtly even by people who consider our small size and resources if we think we are ready for 15 years case or have money for lawyers to do case for years against a big brand like FBN.
Sincerely,we are not ready.We just want to get paid for our Labour. Many people need to know this and learn from this our experience with FIRST Bank

My friend you are not ready simple. It clearly shows you are not a professional. You dont bring sentiments into business.

I wonder why you are afraid of FBN. I am sorry but you are just wasting your time, because you dont have a case.

No sane human being or pro bono lawyer will enter this case.


1. No any formal document to show that FBN has engaged you to that effect.
2. You lack the necessary knowledge needed to run a successful business.
3. You are running your business based on sentiments and emotion - now see the result.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8: 10:19am On Mar 02, 2020
kokomaster3d:


My friend you are not ready simple. It clearly shows you are not a professional. You dont bring sentiments into business.

I wonder why you are afraid of FBN. I am sorry but you are just wasting your time, because you dont have a case.

No sane human being or pro bono lawyer will enter this case.
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You are right sir.
We know the option of the court is one of the options and not the ONLY option. Do you realise that you and I won't have this privilege to comment and get your views on this unfortunate situation if it is already in the courts? We are familiar with the Nigerian court system and know what we want is not court case, if they hadn't used our design, we would have quietly gone home, the problem is that they're using it without paying us and want to use their legal to explain the reason .
We believe there are still reasonable people in this land, must everything end up in the court?
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by rexbuton: 10:21am On Mar 02, 2020
SalamRushdie:
So this woman called Ani Mumuney hasnt stopped all this hanky panky behaviour , that's how she mad us waste resources in developing a third party business model for her department and after draining us intellectually and financially she took the finished model and handed it over to another firm and even gave the 500 thousand US dollars to implement the idea whereas my firm would have don the implementation for absolutely free whilst recovering our investments from sale of the solution to third parties but this woman and her cartel backstabbed us and handed my 100% original creation to another company where she obviously had interest ..But God being on my side they company failed to deliver and the project now moribound while I have made a ton of money deploying the solution with 3 other Banks who supported us and didn't back stab us ..

Please learn to use punctuation... gosh!

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by kokomaster3d: 10:26am On Mar 02, 2020
xtremecr8:
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You are right sir.
We know the option of the court is one of the options and not the ONLY option. Do you realise that you and I won't have this privilege to comment and get your views on this unfortunate situation if it is already in the courts? We are familiar with the Nigerian court system and know what we want is not court case, if they hadn't used our design, we would have quietly gone home, the problem is that they're using it without paying us and want to use their legal to explain the reason .
We believe there are still reasonable people in this land, must everything end up in the land?

My friend people work with facts and evidence, except you are not telling us the truth here. Where is your letter of engagement of service from FBN.

People are telling you to write official letter demanding for your money - you dont want to do it. No court will even listen to this matter. You have made mistake, just move on with your life. And who told Nigerian court system is that bad.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by kokomaster3d: 10:31am On Mar 02, 2020
If you are not careful, FBN can even sue you.

So you better go and face your life.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by kokomaster3d: 10:34am On Mar 02, 2020
AMvanquish:
@ OP, First Go and hear what their legal Dept has to say, sometimes it might be to Sign off on some document before you get paid. Some companies require approvals from their Legal Dept before finance do any payment esp when it involves 3rd Parties. Go and hear what they have to say 1st and If its nothing positive , you can escalate from there.

That is if he has signed a contract agreement with the bank, which I doubt. He will just put himself into more problem
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by stalyf(m): 11:50am On Mar 02, 2020
Compliant:
@ op I don't think you are telling us the whole truth, because I see no reason why you dont want to goto legal dept and hear them out.


This is my thought too
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by glowskillz: 11:53am On Mar 02, 2020
kokomaster3d:


My friend you are not ready simple. It clearly shows you are not a professional. You dont bring sentiments into business.

I wonder why you are afraid of FBN. I am sorry but you are just wasting your time, because you dont have a case.

No sane human being or pro bono lawyer will enter this case.


1. No any formal document to show that FBN has engaged you to that effect.
2. You lack the necessary knowledge needed to run a successful business.
3. You are running your business based on sentiments and emotion - now see the result.

Rightly said... I have gone through all his post and it all smelt of sentiments and deep emotions (understandably so)... But he has to put that aside if he really want to get this all sorted fast.

1. Stop screaming about how small you are, this is not really helping much, but only making this whole thing look pathetic.

2. What's with you and FBN losing and you winning... They have the financial capacity to lose and you don't, so I don't see what's you deal with them losing... This company don't give a sh*t about others losing, they won't even blink an eye when they want to collect your collateral for defaulting on loans, and you are saying you don't want them to lose, what's that.

3. The one and most important question everyone has been asking, to which you seem to not have answer to (which will determine if you have a good case or just left with begging them to pay) is, do you have a signed agreement or sign proposal or signed whatever?

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Studio247: 12:11pm On Mar 02, 2020
People People like this are everywhere
One need to be careful when dealing with people
Some will take your job take your idea and still threaten you.
I have lost money to people I never expected will pay me back with evil.

Please use all your strength to fight them until you get what belongs to you.

I know how it hurts

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8: 12:58pm On Mar 02, 2020
glowskillz:


Rightly said... I have gone through all his post and it all smelt of sentiments and deep emotions (understandably so)... But he has to put that aside if he really want to get this all sorted fast.

1. Stop screaming about how small you are, this is not really helping much, but only making this whole thing look pathetic.

2. What's with you and FBN losing and you winning... They have the financial capacity to lose and you don't, so I don't see what's you deal with them losing... This company don't give a sh*t about others losing, they won't even blink an eye when they want to collect your collateral for defaulting on loans, and you are saying you don't want them to lose, what's that.

3. The one and most important question everyone has been asking, to which you seem to not have answer to (which will determine if you have a good case or just left with begging them to pay) is, do you have a signed agreement or sign proposal or signed whatever?
Hmmm. If you have sincerely gone through our comments without any motive to judge us, you would agree with us that we have stated and disclosed that we have an official engagement as a vendor for them. If you're a vendor with first bank and had read even other past experiences that suddenly came out in the course of our plea, you will understand how small brands are treated by this big brands. We have not broken any law of God and/or man by demanding pay for legitimate work we gave our best to do and delivered.Taking us through extra stress after doing a great job was the part we didn't see coming. We completely agree that we should have done more due diligence not only on FIRST Bank but background check on the character and temperament of their rep Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney.
We are the victim here and urge small businesses to learn from our experience.

We have the right to call on well meaning individuals and organisations to help us beg FIRST bank to pay us, we will never go this extra mile if we are dubious or have things to hide. There's no rocket science in this, you have a need, we met it to your satisfaction that you used it, paying us shouldn't be a big deal just the way we would not have been pained if they didn't use the logo we design.
We are not taking the legal route at least for now Let's see if we really don't have men and women of conscience in this land. Let's see if this woman can't be taken up on how badly she played us as a representative of FBN.
To all small brands out there, speak up against injustice against your interest by any big brand.
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by xtremecr8: 1:01pm On Mar 02, 2020
Studio247:
People People like this are everywhere
One need to be careful when dealing with people
Some will take your job take your idea and still threaten you.
I have lost money to people I never expected will pay me back with evil.

Please use all your strength to fight them until you get what belongs to you.

I know how it hurts

Thank you sir. It really hurts we must admit. You even feel as if you should leave this country and take your craft and natural talent elsewhere.
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by AMvanquish: 2:00pm On Mar 02, 2020
kokomaster3d:


That is if he has signed a contract agreement with the bank, which I doubt. He will just put himself into more problem

But still , they should hear what they have to say or offer at the legal Dept. They are acting on speculation so far.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by pesty100(m): 2:44pm On Mar 02, 2020
AMvanquish:


But still , they should hear what they have to say or offer at the legal Dept. They are acting on speculation so far.
I don't know why it is so difficult for the op to hear what the people at first bank legal department have to say

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Offpoint: 5:47pm On Mar 02, 2020
xtremecr8:

Very intelligent question. We are their vendor and this is the tricky part of the treachery. When we finished, while we are still on the discussion of our Bill, Fbn through Mrs Folake Ani-Mumuney requested us to produce small sample of about 100 ipad covers with the logo. We did to the best of our ability.
What we found strange until now is how Mrs Mumuney believe that the vendor job of supplying iPad covers we printed same logo we designed for them gives her and the bank a licence to use our intellectual property and then when we reminded them of our Bill, she refered us to legal. We have a reason to suspect it is a scheme from the onset to cheat us as a small brand.
I understand your pains bro, I'm a designer too and I've had similar experience many times. in fact, handling jobs for Nigerians scared the hell out of me.

Now before I embark on any project, 60% upfront must be paid and when I'm done... either I send you mock-ups or watermark final designs.

I can't tell how much I've let go so far... I just focus on fiverr now. Some Nigerians and companies are naturally heartless.
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Offpoint: 5:47pm On Mar 02, 2020
Healthserve your attention is needed here
Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by n3xt(m): 5:48pm On Mar 02, 2020
@op, You’re doing yourself more harm than good.

Clearly you haven’t handled big projects before. Do you expect Mumuney to pay you from her pocket for this?

This is not just a transaction with a Baba Bili Group of Company or just any other business. Hence the reason she told you she is surprised at your approach!

She might be trying to help you by asking you to meet the legal department and you’re messing things up.

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by youngbabaj(m): 6:43pm On Mar 02, 2020
My guy,

If they didn't use ur logo, u wil move on right?


Since they are using ur logo nd ask u to visit their legal department, is better u go with a lawyer even if it's a baby lawyer , just go with a lawyer .......


and if they say they won't pay u,,, just move on with your life,,,,,, at least you have learnt never to trust anyone verbally .........

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Re: How First Bank Did not pay us for designing 125th Year Logo(read FBN's reply) by Nobody: 8:37pm On Mar 02, 2020
ignitewatch:
First of all... Meet with their legal department to hear what they've to say.... Do that and revert back....... So it won't be you're just crying wolves when actually there's none.
***** meet the legal department first... Than if Na to stage protest and block their head office, me am solidly behind you. They can come and be killing small businesses anyhow



You are right

I have been wondering why they don't want to meet the First bank legal department.

Is it that after meeting them, they will hold you or get you arrested?

Why should one be scared to meet the legal department.
This ppl should meet them and hear what they have to say. One would know if they are claiming the design is not good enough. We would know If they are claiming someone else has given them the exact design and that is the one they are using and not yours.

Now that they have not gone to meet the legal department how do we know what they have in stock for them.

What if they need to sign some papers at the legal department before being paid. Or they want to ask them to go and prepared a contract paper that they should have done ever before submitting the design that is already in use.

Our people need to know when to accuse someone else, so that they won't be implicating themselves.

The woman has not said we are not paying you, rather she said meet our legal department. I don't see why she should be accused now.

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