ghostwon:
Yoruba is a brand new tribe of people from other tribes and origins who separated from their main tribes to create a political alliance called Yoruba.
Some Yoruba are actually dahomians, some are oyo people, some are ijebu, some are Egba and some are Edo, some are even Haussa. But a lot are descendents from slaves captured all around Africa and dumped into the region.

The oduduwa story is a big joke not more credible than father Christmas story.

Is that the reason u are annexing other people's domain and calling it benin?

MelesZenawi:



Answer my question oga.

Look for another ethnic group to annex. Benin kingdom starts and ends in benin.

You think you have juste made sense, typical yari.ba.
Let me make as little sense as you: oyo kingdom starts and ends in oyo.

All I have said are proven by the precolonial maps.

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

ghostwon:


You think you have juste made sense, typical yari.ba.
Let me make as little sense as you: oyo kingdom starts and ends in oyo.

All I have said are proven by the precolonial maps.

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

I ask you again


Is asaba part of Benin kingdom?

ghostwon:

The maps which I posted and which you are quoting prove you wrong and prove me right. So what the hell are you talking about ?

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Dude, these people get high BP whenever they hear about Benin Empire. Luckily people like me and others are living evidence of Eastern Yorubaland that was part of Benin Empire.

Of course in 1914 Benin had to cede imperial rights to previous colonies to have the monarchy restored. Can you imagine that monarchy in SW would have remained vacant while Oba Ovonramwen was in Calabar? Princes would have killed themselves fighting to be chosen by the British to take the throne. But the British were unable to persuade any Benin man to take the throne.

Of course the British planned to stay for centuries and limiting Benin reach became a key policy. So that over time Benin would become much reduced. This is what Western Region were doing that made MIDWEST break away democratically.
I know these envious bigots for years here now on Nairaland. They even connived to block me over a similar argument

To any logical person, once you have proven your claim, the debate has ended. No need to drag it on. I have proven my claim more than 5 times in here. So you guys just need to accept reality, my job here is done. I have books to read.

ghostwon:

The maps which I posted and which you are quoting prove you wrong and prove me right. So what the hell are you talking about ?

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Dude, these people get high BP whenever they hear about Benin Empire. Luckily people like me and others are living evidence of Eastern Yorubaland that was part of Benin Empire.

Of course in 1914 Benin had to cede imperial rights to previous colonies to have the monarchy restored. Can you imagine that monarchy in SW would have remained vacant while Oba Ovonrsnwen was in Calabar? Princes would have killed themselves fighting to be chosen by the British to take the throne. But the British was unable to persuade any Benin man to take the throne.

Of course the British planned to stay for centuries and limiting Benin reach became a key policy. So that over time Benin would become much reduced. Thus is what Western Region were doing that made MIDWEST break away democratically.

I know these envious bigots for years here now on Nairaland. They even connived to block me over a similar argument here years back. Expect anything from them. They think if they bully enough, tell lies often and long enough, they will intimidate people and foist their tribalistic agenda. But they are all very hollow and parading as pseudo intellectuals.

AreaFada2:

Dude, these people get high BP whenever they hear about Benin Empire. Luckily people like me and others are living evidence of Eastern Yorubaland that was part of Benin Empire.

Of course in 1914 Benin had to cede imperial rights to previous colonies to have the monarchy restored. Can you imagine that monarchy in SW would have remained vacant while Oba Ovonrsnwen was in Calabar? Princes would have killed themselves fighting to be chosen by the British to take the throne. But the British was unable to persuade any Benin man to take the throne.

Of course the British planned to stay for centuries and limiting Benin reach became a key policy. So that over time Benin would become much reduced. Thus is what Western Region were doing that made MIDWEST break away democratically.
I know these envious bigots for years here now on Nairaland. They even connived to block me over similar argument

Yes, you are doing a good job bro.
Me, I don't have too much time to spend in here. I have a master's degree in pure maths and I am currently a maths teacher in a high school in France, I am trying to go back to uni for an other master's degree in an other maths field ( maths logics) after which I would be going for a PhD in model theory I hope.

Needless to say, I don't have too much time to discuss with unreasonable Yoruba who keep arguing after you have already proven your claims and therefore debunked theirs.

ghostwon:
you don't fully understand the words you use, the "clown" provides proof for all he says while you and your fellow yari.ba never care to prove your claims which the "clown" has already debunked with proof by the way.

lol. Yeah right
Alawada

MelesZenawi:



I ask you again


Is asaba part of Benin kingdom?

I need not answer your stupid questions whose answers are on the precolonial maps and implied by what I have already said.

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

ghostwon:
Yes, you are doing a good job bro.
Me, I don't have too much time to spend in here. I have a master's degree in pure maths and J am currently a maths teacher in a high school in France, I am trying to go back to uni for an other master's degree in an other maths field ( maths logics) after which I would be going for a PhD in model theory I hope.

Needless to say, I don't have too much time to discuss with unreasonable Yoruba who keep arguing after you have already proven your claims and therefore debunked theirs.

Oh great. You are doing well.

I have visited museums in Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, London and other places to see Benin arts and history. Aside Egypt, no other African history is so widely celebrated worldwide.

I am a very busy person too. Spent most of my time in the West being trained by and be alongside some of the most celebrated scientists of the last century.

While some brag about how educated they are, looking down on everyone, claiming they
know more than everyone else, we are quietly doing our thing. Keep it up dude.

ghostwon:


I need not answer your stupid questions whose answers are on the precolonial maps and implied by what I have already said.

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Abeg stay in your Benin and allow others be this boy.

Till tomorrow only Benin and yorubas shares so much in common.

Others moving down Niger river don't share anything.

AreaFada2:

Oh great. You are doing well.

I have visited museums in Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, London and other places to see Benin arts and history. Aside Egypt, no other African history is so widely celebrated worldwide.

I am a very busy person too. Spent most of my time in the in the West being trained by and be alongside some of the most celebrated scientists if the last century.

While some brag about how educated they are, liking down on everyone, clauming they
know more than everyone else, we are quietly doing our thing. Keep it up dude.

Thanks bro, may God keep blessing you as well.

Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom.

This is the difference between a Benin and a Yoruba.
A Yoruba person's loyalty is to their entire ethnic group as a whole, which has more than 40 peopled clans within it.
A Benin person's loyalty is to Benin kingdom regardless of which peoples lands they claim.

Benin is a nation state, Yoruba is a Nation of States.

Within Yoruba, 'Benin' is just like say; Egbas for example.

AworiLagosian:
This is the difference between a Benin and a Yoruba.
A Yoruba person's loyalty is to their entire ethnic group as a whole, which has more than 40 peopled clans within it.
A Benin person's loyalty is to Benin kingdom regardless of which peoples lands they claim.

Benin is a nation state, Yoruba is a Nation of States.

Within Yoruba, 'Benin' is just like say; Egbas for example.

I have seen many mumu Yoruba people arguing here over the years but yours takes the biscuit.
You know neither the anthropology nor philology of the two people. Let alone knowing how the Niger-Congo groups of people relate to each other. Only such confidence in ignorance can cause such assertion.

You sit somewhere saying these two tribes are closest. Nope. Those of us with dual heritage know our history. In my case to well over 800 years.

The Yoruba who come here on Nairaland to claim nonsense are mostly Hausa and Tiv immigrants and others of unknown origin into Yorubaaland. Even those who claim royalty are from the many new white cap chiefs elevated.

Stop attaching to Benin. Midwest left Western Region contraption in 1963 because British imposed nonsense was getting into the head of Western Region leaders.

You Awori Lagosian should know how Benin subdued you guys to create Lagos monarchy.

AreaFada2:

Lol. Do you know people have spent decades of research doing research into these things?
The languages are not even similar.
Whereas bodily needs to tell you that Igbira and Yoruba are similar or that Benin and Urhobo or Degema are very close.

Again educate yourself properly. It's not my argument. It's convergence of local history, poetry and modern scientific research.

As we already know our SW people think they have monopoly of cleverness. Anyone not doing their bidding is stupid. Only tribal supremacy is important. Truth has no meaning. Even SW people bold enough to be objective is called "omale".
Oduduwa was an exiled Benin Prince. He didn't didn't descend from any bloody mountain, from any chain from heaven or magically wander across any God-forsaken Sahara desert from Israel or Arabia. The versions are so many that you should be ashamed telling your kids such humbug.

Quite pathetic for people who revel in and boast about being educated.

Just imaging your ignorance ? Oduduwa was exiled prince ? I mock you .

AreaFada2:

I have seen many mumu Yoruba people arguing here over the years but yours takes the biscuit.
You know neither the anthropology nor philology of the two people. Let alone knowing how the Niger-Congo groups of people relate to each other. Only such confidence in ignorance can cause such assertion.

You sit somewhere saying these two tribes are closest. Nope. Those of us with dual heritage know our history. In my case to well over 800 years.

The Yoruba who come here on Nairaland to claim nonsense are mostly Hausa and Tiv immigrants and others of unknown origin into Yorubaaland. Even those who claim royalty are from the many new white cap chiefs elevated.

Stop attaching to Benin. Midwest left Western Region contraption in 1963 because British imposed nonsense was getting into the head of Western Region leaders.

You Awori Lagosian should know how Benin subdued you guys to create Lagos monarchy.

Honestly this your reply stems from the deep seated reservations/position you have about the Benin-Yoruba relationship.
Did My reply ever insinuate that Benin is in the Yoruba confederation?
Fine Benin are not in any way close to Yorubas, I think that much is clear. They are on their own after-all. Are you pleased enough now?

And Yes, thank God, yur era of subduing and dominating the natives of Lagos is long gone and never to return!! You guys were e very destructive empire and anti progressive force in Southern Nigeria for ages. That is why in the whole edo state today, outside of Benin, no town even exceeds 200,000 in population. Which only buttresses my point that Beninin was a nation state that wouldn't let anything around it thrive. Benin people of those days would bring their plundering attitude all the way to Idanre, Akure, Owo, Epe just to decimate Yoruboid tribes.

Olu317:
Just imaging your ignorance ? Oduduwa was exiled prince ? I mock you .

Sure, mock at your own peril.

Oduduwa with heavenly chain. Was he a bungee jumper? Or Mount Everest climber. I hope he had an oxygen mask climbing up and down. Kikikikiki

While some black people have an inferiority complex to believe they must have a Tokunbo ancestor is beyond me. When clearly science shows that mankind originated from East, Central/West Africa area.

Very funny set of people.

My offer to pay for DNA tests for 10 people each from Benin & Ife royal families still stands. Let science decide objectively.

AworiLagosian:


Honestly this your reply stems from the deep seated reservations/position you have about the Benin-Yoruba relationship.
Did My reply ever insinuate that Benin is in the Yoruba confederation?
Fine Benin are not in any way close to Yorubas, I think that much is clear. They are on their own after-all. Are you pleased enough now?

And Yes, thank God, yur era of subduing and dominating the natives of Lagos is long gone and never to return!! You guys were e very destructive empire and anti progressive force in Southern Nigeria for ages. That is why in the whole edo state today, outside of Benin, no town even exceeds 200,000 in population. Which only buttresses my point that Beninin was a nation state that wouldn't let anything around it thrive. Benin people of those days would bring their plundering attitude all the way to Idanre, Akure, Owo, Epe just to decimate Yoruboid tribes.

Again look at Ignorance. You do not know how empires operated. I wonder how little even many with Nigerian history degrees still understand about it.
Empires in Africa was never about plundering. Even slave raiding only began when prompted by Arab & later European slave traders.

Empires were about first alliances, securing trade routes and consolidating defense of the imperial state. You could not allow weak chiefdoms and kingdoms of unreliable loyalties to surround you.

People need to read widely and visit museums worldwide if they can. See how Rome grew from a small settlement on the Tiber to a massive empire to Hadrian's Wall, North Africa, Middle East and beyond.

Even the leader of the Gauls Vercingetorix, who nearly defeated Julius Caesar in the siege of Alesia in France in September of 52 BC, was once his ally.

War only became necessary if they resisted pledging loyalty and become a danger to national security. Benin could not leave weak chiefdoms between it and Oyo. The border had to be taken to Otun in Ekiti North. This is an ancient defensive tactics.

Benin didn't need more "Lebensraum", so why decimate Yoruba? Many of the ruling houses in Eastern Yorubaland even later intermarried with Benin royalty and aristocracy.

Benin and Yoruba are different tribes. Benin is between East & West. Surely there would have been mixing with both East & West. Add that to imperial times, surely Benin became a centre to ply your trade and show off your skills. Some people from both East and West distinguished themselves, rose to prominence and are part of Benin Elite today. I cited Gov. Obaseki as an example of Anioma origin before.

French language is totally different from English for example. However after 1066 Norman conquest, French became the official bureaucratic language of Britain for 300 years. Today many Latin words entered English language through French. In fact the English are a Germanic race like Germans, Danes, Dutch, Swedes, etc. English is a Germanic language too. Despite England and France being separated by just the English Channel.

Nobody is an island or live in a vacuum.

Take a town called Upele/Ipele near Owo for example. They acknowledge the Benin origin of 7 of the 8 founders of that land. The 8th being from Ife. Some even argue that Yoruba like to cement their Yorubaness by claiming to descend from Ife/Oduduwa. That adding the 8th founder was such an example. But I am not to tell Ipele people their history. They should know it better.

It wasn't all about wars and pillaging, etc.

As for population, remember that Benin never claimed having a large population. We know of the huge migration waves from Benin under some very demanding Obas. Very strict laws like no sex for 3 years. So when you look at waves that left, little wonder Population of Benin didn't increase exponentially. Towns like Urhonigbe & Udo that previously were rivaling Benin City declined greatly. Urhonigbe means 10 gates. Whereas Benin had 7 city gates. Both towns were easier to escape from. Urhonigbe to Anioma/Delta/ Rivers/Bayelsa. From Udo to Yorubaland.

LOOK, my epistles are for many silent readers here on NL. I have in the past been contacted by researchers working on historical topics.

Lalasticlala

AreaFada2:

Sure, mock at your own peril.

Oduduwa with heavenly chain. Was he a bungee jumper? Or Mount Everest climber. I hope he had an oxygen mask climbing up and down. Kikikikiki

While some black people have an inferiority complex to believe they must have a Tokunbo ancestor is beyond me. When clearly science shows that mankind originated from East, Central/West Africa area.

Very funny set of people.

My offer to pay for DNA tests for 10 people each from Benin & Ife royal families still stands. Let science decide objectively.

Just imaging this ignorant man! Have you no knowledge of DNA of different ethnic group being tested by different lab across the research world ? If Bini was known, why is Bini not mentioned ?

I tire for you with your egocentrism of payment of royal bloodline for test. So , supposedly, 10 people can determine the royal bloodline in the whole Yoruba land , even across the globe. You're definitely a grade 1 clown.

This is the reason, I laugh at some of you people without oriki because if you understand Yoruba lagos language ( dialect), then you know what Ifaodu corpus stand for? . Have you any tangible world heritage in Edo land? No wonder, no attention has ever been given you people. In fact, 400,000$ was awarded about three months ago to a group if people for continuous excavation project in Ileife. No wonder, Yoruba land is the toast of the world. Unfortunately I seek Edo, I find her not in existence.

Olu317:
Just imaging this ignorant man! Have you no knowledge of DNA of different ethnic group being tested by different lab across the research world ? If Bini was known, why is Bini not mentioned ?

I tire for you with your egocentrism of payment of royal bloodline for test. So , supposedly, 10 people can determine the royal bloodline in the whole Yoruba land , even across the globe. You're definitely a grade 1 clown.

This is the reason, I laugh at some of you people without oriki because if you understand Yoruba lagos language ( dialect), then you know what Ifaodu corpus stand for? . Have you any tangible world heritage in Edo land? No wonder, no attention has ever been given you people. In fact, 400,000$ was awarded about three months ago to a group if people for continuous excavation project in Ileife. No wonder, Yoruba land is the toast of the world. Unfortunately I seek Edo, I find her not in existence.

So excavation is just starting in your area? Go around the world and see
When it comes to science or anything DNA, you will have to come to this world many times to know anything about DNA. I can even invite you to one of the best places it's done. I wonder why you guys just yap and never take up any challenges. Fear of failure I know. Contact me off line and you can see for yourself. Don't even go into molecular biology, genetics or human body when talking to me. Avoid displaying more ignorance.

In Yorubaaland bragging is normal. Not so in Midwest. So I challenge you to prove what you say in real life.

Toast of former Yoruba slaves in Diaspora. Benin never sold themselves so no slave diaspora.

Those slave descendants Ooni of Ife goes to visit. I guess remorse is in order for selling Yoruba people. It's on record that the far better advanced and progressive Benin banned slave trade long before 1807.

The recent excavation is playing catch up. Even the Benin influenced Owo has been long excavated as you can see at Owo museum at Olowo palace.

Well, I will pay for 10 each on both Benin and Ife side. Let others pay for more until we reach a statistically reliable number. I never claimed to be Bill Gates to pay for hundreds. Let's even begin with the 20 and see the trend first. Meanwhile the test will be at a top lab in Europe. Not some local Lagos lab.
You should also put your money where your mouth is and pay for 20 too. Not just cheap talk.

AreaFada2:

So excavation is just starting in your area? Go around the world and see
When it comes to science or anything DNA, you will have to come to this world many times to know anything about DNA. I can even invite you to one of the best places it's done. I wonder why you guys just yap and never take up any challenges. Fear of failure I know. Contact me off line and you can see for yourself. Don't even go into molecular biology, genetics or human body when talking to me. Avoid displaying more ignorance.

In Yorubaaland bragging is normal. Not so in Midwest. So I challenge you to prove what you say in real life.

Toast of former Yoruba slaves in Diaspora. Benin never sold themselves so no slave diaspora.

Those slave descendants Ooni of Ife goes to visit. I guess remorse is in order for selling Yoruba people. It's on record that the far better advanced and progressive Benin banned slave trade long before 1807.

The recent excavation is playing catch up. Even the Benin influenced Owo has been long excavated as you can see at Owo museum at Olowo palace.

Well, I will pay for 10 each on both Benin and Ife side. Let others pay for more until we reach a statistically reliable number. I never claimed to be Bill Gates to pay for hundreds. Let's even begin with the 20 and see the trend first. Meanwhile the test will be at a top lab in Europe. Not some local Lagos lab.
You should also put your money where your mouth is and pay for 20 too. Not just cheap talk.

Are you really new to DNA traces ? I just can't understand you and your like minds,with bloodline link between Bini kingly bloodline and Yoruba kingly bloodline to verify which is older ? I guess you don't follow up research work from one of the pioneer researchers on Dna in the person of Professor David Reich's ,on dna traces in West Africa. Apart from his, so many dna traces and the years of departure of all hominids from one and another has been proposed by many scientists.

Even recently, it is said once again that ...DNA analysis of people in West Africa reveals 'ghost' human ancestor. Interestingly, these group mentioned are mende ,Yoruba ,Esan, a group in Gambia,who are of linked to Yoruba ancestry. Unfortunately, Bini is not mentioned, which support some fact that Yoruba people's ancestors were the hominid that birthed the second group of mankind, which Yoruba split from.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233488-dna-analysis-of-people-in-west-africa-reveals-ghost-human-ancestor/#ixzz6FnNa8bxb

Kindly show me your Oviedo group from dna traces from research work if such exist in Bini separately or older than Yoruba bones . I wait for your own research work. Omode O ma ela o li oun mo ela kata kata,lai ma pe ela kata kata oba ija ni. It seems you people don't know that matrilineal link is what you people in Edo have a lot in common with Yoruba people, except the Eweka and descendants that are link to our ancestors. Oga Ogun is the patrilineal father of Odede(Oranmiyah) and Ogun is over 200 years older than oba ogusua of new kingdom called Bini, from tge land of Igodomigodo.

Note: The knowledge of flood as a tool for destroying hominids at one time or the other,which researchers calculated over 11,600+ years ago.

Yoruba have history of Oru that was destroyed by flood

Hebrew have the history of Or that was destroyed by flood.

Athens have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this part in mesopatmia

Egypt have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this place

People who lived but were saved in Atlantis itself have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed it.

If you dont know, Oru is part of my oriki- panegyric as Omo oru lo oru ako ko ; descendant of oru-world where sunlight emanate cum show forth heat over the earth, whose ancestors were the gatherer- noble and advanced mankind.


Question: Where is your Oviedo and flood history ?

Olu317:
Are you really new to DNA traces ? I just can't understand you and your like minds,with bloodline link between Bini kingly bloodline and Yoruba kingly bloodline to verify which is older ? I guess you don't follow up research work from one of the pioneer researchers on Dna in the person of Professor David Reich's ,on dna traces in West Africa. Apart from his, so many dna traces and the years of departure of all hominids from one and another has been proposed by many scientists.

Even recently, it is said once again that ...DNA analysis of people in West Africa reveals 'ghost' human ancestor. Interestingly, these group mentioned are mende ,Yoruba ,Esan, a group in Gambia,who are of linked to Yoruba ancestry. Unfortunately, Bini is not mentioned, which support some fact that Yoruba people's ancestors were the hominid that birthed the second group of mankind, which Yoruba split from.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233488-dna-analysis-of-people-in-west-africa-reveals-ghost-human-ancestor/#ixzz6FnNa8bxb

Kindly show me your Oviedo group from dna traces from research work if such exist in Bini separately or older than Yoruba bones . I wait for your own research work. Omode O ma ela o li oun mo ela kata kata,lai ma pe ela kata kata oba ija ni. It seems you people don't know that matrilineal link is what you people in Edo have a lot in common with Yoruba people, except the Eweka and descendants that are link to our ancestors. Oga Ogun is the patrilineal father of Odede(Oranmiyah) and Ogun is over 200 years older than oba ogusua of new kingdom called Bini, from tge land of Igodomigodo.

Note: The knowledge of flood as a tool for destroying hominids at one time or the other,which researchers calculated over 11,600+ years ago.

Yoruba have history of Oru that was destroyed by flood

Hebrew have the history of Or that was destroyed by flood.

Athens have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this part in mesopatmia

Egypt have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this place

People who lived but were saved in Atlantis itself have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed it.

If you dont know, Oru is part of my oriki- panegyric as Omo oru lo oru ako ko ; descendant of oru-world where sunlight emanate cum show forth heat over the earth, whose ancestors were the gatherer- noble and advanced mankind.


Question: Where is your Oviedo and flood history ?

Olu, by now I have openly stated my origins on both Edo and Yoruba side you were free to verify. I have also in the past stated my family oriki too.

I read this basic research work the day it became available. So no need to cut and paste for me. While the work is commendable, It still proves nothing. More work is ongoing.

What I am saying is a targeted test of both Ife and Benin royalties. Not random ones that can yield anything.

Olu317:
Are you really new to DNA traces ? I just can't understand you and your like minds,with bloodline link between Bini kingly bloodline and Yoruba kingly bloodline to verify which is older ? I guess you don't follow up research work from one of the pioneer researchers on Dna in the person of Professor David Reich's ,on dna traces in West Africa. Apart from his, so many dna traces and the years of departure of all hominids from one and another has been proposed by many scientists.

Even recently, it is said once again that ...DNA analysis of people in West Africa reveals 'ghost' human ancestor. Interestingly, these group mentioned are mende ,Yoruba ,Esan, a group in Gambia,who are of linked to Yoruba ancestry. Unfortunately, Bini is not mentioned, which support some fact that Yoruba people's ancestors were the hominid that birthed the second group of mankind, which Yoruba split from.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233488-dna-analysis-of-people-in-west-africa-reveals-ghost-human-ancestor/#ixzz6FnNa8bxb

Kindly show me your Oviedo group from dna traces from research work if such exist in Bini separately or older than Yoruba bones . I wait for your own research work. Omode O ma ela o li oun mo ela kata kata,lai ma pe ela kata kata oba ija ni. It seems you people don't know that matrilineal link is what you people in Edo have a lot in common with Yoruba people, except the Eweka and descendants that are link to our ancestors. Oga Ogun is the patrilineal father of Odede(Oranmiyah) and Ogun is over 200 years older than oba ogusua of new kingdom called Bini, from tge land of Igodomigodo.

Note: The knowledge of flood as a tool for destroying hominids at one time or the other,which researchers calculated over 11,600+ years ago.

Yoruba have history of Oru that was destroyed by flood

Hebrew have the history of Or that was destroyed by flood.

Athens have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this part in mesopatmia

Egypt have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed this place

People who lived but were saved in Atlantis itself have the knowledge of the flood that destroyed it.

If you dont know, Oru is part of my oriki- panegyric as Omo oru lo oru ako ko ; descendant of oru-world where sunlight emanate cum show forth heat over the earth, whose ancestors were the gatherer- noble and advanced mankind.


Question: Where is your Oviedo and flood history ?

Olu, by now I have openly stated my origins on both Edo and Yoruba side you were free to verify. I have also in the past stated my family oriki too.

I read this basic research work the day it became available. So no need to cut and paste for me. While the work is commendable, It still proves nothing. More work is ongoing.

What I am saying is a targeted test of both Ife and Benin royalties. Not random ones that can yield anything and interpreted to fit whatever theories.

AreaFada2:

Olu, by now I have openly stated my origins on both Edo and Yoruba side you were free to verify. I have also in the past stated my family oriki too.

I read this basic research work the day it became available. So no need to cut and paste for me. While the work is commendable, It still proves nothing. More work is ongoing.

What I am saying is a targeted test of both Ife and Benin royalties. Not random ones that can yield anything and interpreted to fit whatever theories.

Well,I don't need doubt any body's origin or you even if you're Yoruba or not except you infringe on my ancestral bloodline. Obviously, people like you are in Yoruba land who are with identity issue/problems because, you kept claiming what is inappropriate about dna bloodline of Ileife and Bini as if both location are contemporary? Lol. You seemingly dont have deep knowledge how bloodline are arranged in kingly setting in Yoruba land.So let me teach you as follows:

First of all the kingly lineage in Yoruba land are arranged along patrilineal and matrilineal method. And patrilineal are often enthroned as king in Yoruba land. So, where do you want to start from ?

Secondly, Ileife in Nigeria is a spiritual home to Yoruba descendants, of the pioneer settlers in this vast land who had unique form of development or civilization that marvel the world at large even her neighbours. And these people whose lineage are known as kingly lineage,priestly, noble,votaries, servants, slaves lineage, who did spread outside the ileife ,with princes, paraphenia of office as prince- king, panegyric, Crowns, priests, Yoruba language and other offices holder followed after the leader of the group who is the prince king,while over all kings resides in Ileife etc to affirm to oral migration from ileife. Mind you there are other lower prince- kings that left Ileife without crowns. Are they not prince or princes too ? Where do you start your so called dna test from ?

So, as far as I am concern, you're chasing after a wild goose to support you weakly view on dna traces. Perhaps, if you're indeed interested in this finding, you can approach the Yoruba authority on traditional matters to seek who want to be tested for dna link ,so that we can see how to link any part of the world or Edo land with Yoruba bloodline. Interestingly, my own part of Yoruba bloodline are of light skin , bronze look,chocolate and dark skin, with curly hair, even dreadlocks . I was a dreadlocks but cut it after some years of ritual performance as usual. And my twin children are both dreadlocks with curly hair as I had it when I was younger. May be you want to explain to me how , I have a kind of curly associated with Caucasian, without knowledge of whatsoever of any white man link that my dad dint tell it to me!

Perhaps, you will explain to us, if Bini royal bloodline have such vividly ? I await you.

MelesZenawi:


Edos/Binis are Yorubas...They are same people from same mother.

https://www.nairaland.com/5714550/obas-benin-descendants-great-yoruba


Benin are Descendants of Yorubas.

Stop this trash please.

Yorubas are Yorubas

Edos are Edos

They are different.

Stop the land grabbing. It will never succeed

Mraphel:
These above questions comes to my mind about Edo state.



The Yorubas people are also native to Edo state like Easy, Afamai, Etc but why are edo people not giving Yoruba their deserved recognition in Edo state as a tribe in Edo state.

1. Many towns closed to Ore speaks the Yoruba language

2. Many towns in Akoko edo are yoruba migrants that settled in Edo state.

3. Many Yoruba kingship titles and chief titles in Edo state.

4. Many yoruba religions in Edo eg Ogun , Sango Oronmila, Ifa, Olokun , aiyelala etc

5. First oba of Bini (Yoruba) grandson of Oduduwa.

6. First onibilo of ibilo is Yoruba among others in Edo state

7. Many Edos bears Yoruba surnames



Then why are Edo people trying to put Yoruba at disadvantage in their Edo-state at all cost? These Edo yorubas are now afraid to bear Yoruba names because they will face discrimination of Jobs, tribe that will come with it...while the Edo people in Yoruba lands are not discriminated upon at all.

MRAPHEL you need to go and learn more about Edo and Yoruba very well before you can start posting here on Nairaland if you can take your time to search for threads on this Nairaland about Edo and Yoruba , you will see that people has discussed this issue on Nairaland so many times
So my contribution is that Edo are quite different from Yoruba

ghostwon:
you don't fully understand the words you use, the "clown" provides proof for all he says while you and your fellow yari.ba never care to prove your claims which the "clown" has already debunked with proof by the way.

What I'll like to say, my two cents is that all these does not matter. As millenials we should release the grasp of politics and cultures of the 9th century because it holds no importance now.

Do you know these little demarcation we have here, is the reason the whites look more on Africans as weak, power hungry folks.

We always want to show other cultures in far away lands that we "Once" powerful (in quote) and the white or foreign individuals are saying what can you offer us now, tell us? Most of the times which is nothing.

This is the reason I like Chinese men and women. Their culture is rich but you don't see the Mongolians telling the Japanese we were once a big influence or the Japanese lording it on mainland China people, they've passed that level of consciousness.

What we are just doing is trying to feed our archaeologists with the knowledge they want for their textbooks, and nothing else. Which is good, but does it add anything to your personal growth or let me guess an overall EGO is the win.

To me after reading all these tribes whether is the Hausa, Igbo or Yoruba, one thing I observed is each tribe, not leaving the minor tribes too, all had an overall influence in a particular part of the century.

Power is changeable and that's what happened in those centuries, it was passed from this region to this region in particular time periods.
And with this the people who witnessed such power transfer, our forefathers per say, couldn't let go of the power their states once had. This is the reason they had passed the info, that Yoruba is most powerful( for the Yoruba).


Let's use an example here,

Child: Papa, why do you like Yoruba tribe

Grandpa: Because we had Oyo empire and we ruled from Hausa land to Benin empire and traded with Igbo people.


The child goes to Benin:

Child: Papa why do you like Benin.

Grandpa: Because we ruled from Yoruba land to Igbo land and even Hausa land. We were very strong.

The child goes to Igbo land:

Child: Papa, why do you like Igbo land

Grandpa: Because we were very strong, we had a shrine called Ibunkpabi that most south-south states came to have fair jurisdiction and even a place in Enugu called Nri that was the spiritual capital.

The child goes to Hausa Land:
Child: Papa, why do you like Hausa land

Grandpa: Because we ruled almost everywhere in what is today called present day Nigeria.


If you were the child, how would you feel? So you see it JUST doesn't count anymore.

For me, I've got a lot of friends from almost all tribes in Nigeria. And I don't buy such lame, ignorant info anymore. I guess this is the reason Nigerians need to make out time and travel to other regions, feel a little bit of culture.


In the United States thats what is done, this is the reason they cherish all indigenous cultures.

Eberejesus111:

What I'll like to say, my two cents is that all these does not matter. As millenials we should release the grasp of politics and cultures of the 9th century because it holds no importance now.

Do you know these little demarcation we have here, is the reason the whites look more on Africans as weak, power hungry folks.

We always want to show other cultures in far away lands that we "Once" powerful (in quote) and the white or foreign individuals are saying what can you offer us now, tell us? Most of the times which is nothing.

This is the reason I like Chinese men and women. Their culture is rich but you don't see the Mongolians telling the Japanese we were once a big influence or the Japanese lording it on mainland China people, they've passed that level of consciousness.

What we are just doing is trying to feed our archaeologists with the knowledge they want for their textbooks, and nothing else. Which is good, but does it add anything to your personal growth or let me guess an overall EGO is the win.

To me after reading all these tribes whether is the Hausa, Igbo or Yoruba, one thing I observed is each tribe, not leaving the minor tribes too, all had an overall influence in a particular part of the century.

Power is changeable and that's what happened in those centuries, it was passed from this region to this region in particular time periods.
And with this the people who witnessed such power transfer, our forefathers per say, couldn't let go of the power their states once had. This is the reason they had passed the info, that Yoruba is most powerful( for the Yoruba).


Let's use an example here,

Child: Papa, why do you like Yoruba tribe

Grandpa: Because we had Oyo empire and we ruled from Hausa land to Benin empire and traded with Igbo people.


The child goes to Benin:

Child: Papa why do you like Benin.

Grandpa: Because we ruled from Yoruba land to Igbo land and even Hausa land. We were very strong.

The child goes to Igbo land:

Child: Papa, why do you like Igbo land

Grandpa: Because we were very strong, we had a shrine called Ibunkpabi that most south-south states came to have fair jurisdiction and even a place in Enugu called Nri that was the spiritual capital.

The child goes to Hausa Land:
Child: Papa, why do you like Hausa land

Grandpa: Because we ruled almost everywhere in what is today called present day Nigeria.


If you were the child, how would you feel? So you see it JUST doesn't count anymore.

For me, I've got a lot of friends from almost all tribes in Nigeria. And I don't buy such lame, ignorant info anymore. I guess this is the reason Nigerians need to make out time and travel to other regions, feel a little bit of culture.


In the United States thats what is done, this is the reason they cherish all indigenous cultures.

You make a great point here. Learning or discussing your history should not be about trying to push a bigoted agenda of superiority especially when same history teaches that power changes

jades5050:





MRAPHEL you need to go and learn more about Edo and Yoruba very well before you can start posting here on Nairaland if you can take your time to search for threads on this Nairaland about Edo and Yoruba , you will see that people has discussed this issue on Nairaland so many times
So my contribution is that Edo are quite different from Yoruba

Yes, they are different but Yoruba natives are in Edo state

Mraphel:

Yes, they are different but Yoruba natives are in Edo state

Keep deluding yourselves.