Eberejesus111:

What I'll like to say, my two cents is that all these does not matter. As millenials we should release the grasp of politics and cultures of the 9th century because it holds no importance now.

Do you know these little demarcation we have here, is the reason the whites look more on Africans as weak, power hungry folks.

We always want to show other cultures in far away lands that we "Once" powerful (in quote) and the white or foreign individuals are saying what can you offer us now, tell us? Most of the times which is nothing.

This is the reason I like Chinese men and women. Their culture is rich but you don't see the Mongolians telling the Japanese we were once a big influence or the Japanese lording it on mainland China people, they've passed that level of consciousness.

What we are just doing is trying to feed our archaeologists with the knowledge they want for their textbooks, and nothing else. Which is good, but does it add anything to your personal growth or let me guess an overall EGO is the win.

To me after reading all these tribes whether is the Hausa, Igbo or Yoruba, one thing I observed is each tribe, not leaving the minor tribes too, all had an overall influence in a particular part of the century.

Power is changeable and that's what happened in those centuries, it was passed from this region to this region in particular time periods.
And with this the people who witnessed such power transfer, our forefathers per say, couldn't let go of the power their states once had. This is the reason they had passed the info, that Yoruba is most powerful( for the Yoruba).


Let's use an example here,

Child: Papa, why do you like Yoruba tribe

Grandpa: Because we had Oyo empire and we ruled from Hausa land to Benin empire and traded with Igbo people.


The child goes to Benin:

Child: Papa why do you like Benin.

Grandpa: Because we ruled from Yoruba land to Igbo land and even Hausa land. We were very strong.

[s]The child goes to Igbo land:

Child: Papa, why do you like Igbo land

Grandpa: Because we were very strong, we had a shrine called Ibunkpabi that most south-south states came to have fair jurisdiction and even a place in Enugu called Nri that was the spiritual capital. [/s]

The child goes to Hausa Land:
Child: Papa, why do you like Hausa land

Grandpa: Because we ruled almost everywhere in what is today called present day Nigeria.


If you were the child, how would you feel? So you see it JUST doesn't count anymore.

For me, I've got a lot of friends from almost all tribes in Nigeria. And I don't buy such lame, ignorant info anymore. I guess this is the reason Nigerians need to make out time and travel to other regions, feel a little bit of culture.


In the United States thats what is done, this is the reason they cherish all indigenous cultures.

MelesZenawi:



Your Igbo analysis is bloodily wrong and misleading.

If you don't history, research before posting.

Eberejesus111:


Okay

ghostwon:


The problem with many of you Nigerians is that history is not a science to you. To you, it is a thing to be manipulated in order to fit whatever the purpose you have today.
Whereas to people like me, history is a science, studying the passed. Only the truth matters to me, no sugar cutting, just facts. What happened in the passed ?
It will take time before many Nigerians are evolved enough to reach this level of sobriety.
Your long essay is just an other rewriting of history to make everybody feel good.
There is no record of any such thing as "oyo empire" and there is no record of south-south people going to nri for "fair jurisdiction" wtf ?

MelesZenawi:




Your last statement shows history is far from you. Manage your Benin empire with 5 or 8 local governments and let's hear word pls

ghostwon:


The problem with many of you Nigerians is that history is not a science to you. To you, it is a thing to be manipulated in order to fit whatever the purpose you have today.
Whereas to people like me, history is a science, studying the passed. Only the truth matters to me, no sugar cutting, just facts. What happened in the passed ?
It will take time before many Nigerians are evolved enough to reach this level of sobriety.
Your long essay is just an other rewriting of history to make everybody feel good.
There is no record of any such thing as "oyo empire" and there is no record of south-south people going to nri for "fair jurisdiction" wtf ?

ghostwon:


Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Contrary to you, I only say what I know to be true and can prove. You are talking about"history" and don't realise there was no such thing as "local government" 200 years ago, or perhaps you believe the British met a country called Nigeria and a president of Nigeria.

macof:


LOL. After all the "I am after truth" and history is a science
You ended with "there's no record of Oyo empire" rendering yourself no different from those you say pursue history for their own manipulative agenda

MelesZenawi:



Not against you.

Contain your Benin kingdom in Edo or you can stretch to Urhobo but anything coming to R.Niger is Igboland.

That's all.


I am not against your empire.

ghostwon:


Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Contrary to you, I only say what I know to be true and can prove. You are talking about"history" and don't realise there was no such thing as "local government" 200 years ago, or perhaps you believe the British met a country called Nigeria and a president of Nigeria.

ghostwon:

Instead of making your empty statement, why don't you show me a record of oyo empire.
The first record about oyo shows a dying and week kingdom being put to sleep by Fulani and it's citizens being sold into slavery.
How that translates into an empire is beyond me.

macof:

LOL
I should argue with you, you who is so comfortable in ignorance

Abegi shift

ghostwon:

Instead of making your empty statement, why don't you show me a record of oyo empire.
The first record about oyo shows a dying and week kingdom being put to sleep by Fulani and it's citizens being sold into slavery.
How that translates into an empire is beyond me.

ghostwon:


Reply:

no argument needed, proving ones case is all that matters.

macof:
you can go around the areas of the former Oyo empire yourself and find first hand exposure to the evidence since books written on Oyo empire don't convince you

ghostwon:

Nope, sorry I can't go around an inexistent thing. Oyo empire exists only in Yoruba imagination and history rewriting works of fiction, oyo was a small weakling city-kingdom which got put to sleep.

ghostwon:

What you are against or for is irrelevant to me, all that matters are facts.

MelesZenawi:


Fact is that Benin kingdom is only 5 to 8 local government areas.

QED.

ghostwon:


Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Contrary to you, I only say what I know to be true and can prove. You are talking about"history" and don't realise there was no such thing as "local government" 200 years ago, or perhaps you believe the British met a country called Nigeria and a president of Nigeria.

ghostwon:


Once again, you resort to a previously debunked claim of yours.

The borders of Benin Kingdom are drawn in these precolonial maps which I have already addressed to you 3 times:

macof:
OK then your previous statement has been rendered worthless. You are after all the blabbering not after history but some ethnic bigotry
Soothe yourself.. Like I said before ignorance is your comfort zone

ghostwon:

Nope, sorry I can't go around an inexistent thing. Oyo empire exists only in Yoruba imagination and history rewriting works of fiction, oyo was a small weakling city-kingdom which got put to sleep.

ghostwon:

Instead of making your empty statement, why don't you show me a record of oyo empire.
The first record about oyo shows a dying and week kingdom being put to sleep by Fulani and it's citizens being sold into slavery.
How that translates into an empire is beyond me.

MelesZenawi:


Nobody has time reading trash.

This is 21st century

MelesZenawi:


Oga your Benin kingdom is 5 local government in Edo state.

stop looking for people's land to grab

ghostwon:


Once again, you resort to a previously debunked claim of yours.

The borders of Benin Kingdom are drawn in these precolonial maps which I have already addressed to you 3 times:

ghostwon post=87240068:


Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Contrary to you, I only say what I know to be true and can prove. You are talking about"history" and don't realise there was no such thing as "local government" 200 years ago, or perhaps you believe the British met a country called Nigeria and a president of Nigeria.

These borders cover several regions within and outside what we now call Nigeria, way beyond your so called local governments. So much for your claims with no knowledge. You are just an other arrogant Nigerian who believes he knows better ( even though he knows nothing) and refuses to learn.

ghostwon:

Reply:

MelesZenawi:


please carry your fake map and go.

Your kingdom has no weight . It's jurisdiction starts and ends in Edo state.

If you need land, buy one and stop looking for one to grab

ghostwon:


Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Contrary to you, I only say what I know to be true and can prove. You are talking about"history" and don't realise there was no such thing as "local government" 200 years ago, or perhaps you believe the British met a country called Nigeria and a president of Nigeria.

ghostwon:


Reply:

The source of the maps are on the maps. The website hosting them is owned by one of Europe's best 2 libraries. So try again, if you want to claim the maps are fake.

MelesZenawi:



Your kingdom is 5 local government and ends in Edo state

ghostwon:


Once again, you resort to a previously debunked claim of yours.

The borders of Benin Kingdom are drawn in these precolonial maps which I have already addressed to you 3 times:

ghostwon post=87240068:


Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

Contrary to you, I only say what I know to be true and can prove. You are talking about"history" and don't realise there was no such thing as "local government" 200 years ago, or perhaps you believe the British met a country called Nigeria and a president of Nigeria.

These borders cover several regions within and outside what we now call Nigeria, way beyond your so called local governments. So much for your claims with no knowledge. You are just an other arrogant Nigerian who believes he knows better ( even though he knows nothing) and refuses to learn.

ghostwon:
Benin empire was a developped country.
You guys are here talking about tribes while Benin empire was a modern nation. Developped way beyond your tribal considerations. (According to the European visitors) A nation comparable to the kingdoms of Europe.
Sorry if this hurts the feelings of the low self esteemed people whose ancestors didn't have such a mighty empire to show.

MelesZenawi:


Not only developed nation but developed continent..

A Benin/Edo man is a Yoruba man and both has striking features and resemblances. both share so much is common both culturally and otherwise.

Coming here to be talking about 5 local governments instead of join Yorubas in pursuit of Oduduwa republic is a misnomer.

Benin kingdom today starts and ends in Edo state.

ghostwon:


You are clearly retarded. I have proven all your claims to be false and you keep repeating them. I have no more time for you. Have fun creating your own reality on nairaland like your fellow Yoruba mentally ill people on nairaland. Go and create your Spiderman Republic, all you descendants of Spiderman (or do you call him oduduwa).