Consult your map keenly. Cross River State is even listed amongst the littoral states in Nigeria. Besides, what will a landlocked state be doing trying to establish a seaport in Bakassi, besides I am aware ships (though smaller) still dock at the Calabar port.
I speak with facts and calculated points and not emotionally, if I'm wrong I acknowledge it and we move on, unfortunately most cross riverians on this topic choose to argue with emotions and throw insults in the face of a superior argument.Beachside, until you stop your insults, derogatory comments and being an agent of discord, all your derogatory mentions will be be tracked down and reported, only those that are constructive arguments will be left, those who know me on this thread will tell you I don't joke with my people, I promise to make life miserable for you until you stop being an ethnic war monger and come up with constructive arguments .if you loved us as much as you claim you won't be saying those things you say, anyway we don't need your love, development,ideas or what ever you contribute, we only need God. You say Akwa ibomites are wicked, domineering and aggressive, we only do that when we have been pushed to the wall, I will show you exactly how wicked we can be if we choose to, be guided, have a good day
Beachside: All of my post on this forum about akwacross/Efik ibibio unity are my lone idea because I think they should be more united and forge a common front . No Efik person I've ever shared the idea to supports any unity with akwa ibom people . I expressed the need for unity on many occasions to my dad and uncle and to a few people at Efik national Convention here in the US. not a single Efik person want any unity with Akwa ibom. On this forum, many Akwa ibom people also oppose unity.
Why the deep animosities and hate...we must encourage unity now we are in dangerous times
Why the deep animosities and hate...we must encourage unity now we are in dangerous times
Do you mind that guy, he is speaking based on what he has noticed on nairaland imagine, meanwhile I'm speaking about lawmakers who were elected my hundreds of thousands of people to speak their mind, do you now realize that this guy is HATE personified
They are not distinct it is just dialectical differences of same language group
They should unite. One thing about Niger Delta is that every village wants to be a tribe or ethic group...
We in Akwa Ibom state specifically Ibibionation don't care about Biafra or Niger Delta. We are and will always be our own nation representing our culture and values. As u are defending Beachside now, don't complain again and call him ignorant when he labels ur group in the same manner.
I think there should be cultural exchanges and have one cultural body like Igbo have Ọhaneze , the Yoruba have Afenifere while the Hausa have Arewa AkwaCross group is a huge group they can come together and even have a central language it's possible In Igbo land we have over 20 dialects from Isobo to Anambra from Ikwerre to Nkwerre , from Asaba to Enugu but there is a central Igbo that all can key into and understand Same with Yoruba, they have egba dialect, Ijebu , kabba, Okun , Ekiti dialect but the central dialect is Lagos type of Yoruba While Kano Hausa is the central dialect of Hausa The Akwa Ibom Cross River must find a middle ground
It's not the same because we have different cultures and beliefs, similar to Ibibio and Igbos, only our langauges are similar but not tradition and cultures.
Seriously an average Igbo doesn't know the different between iron, bakassi, efik , Ibibio, Annang etc...we see them as one so...why do they want to divide themselves. They should be reaching out the way Igbo are reaching out to Igbo in places like Middle belt and South South. We see ourselves as one and that is what I expect the efik to be doing
Beachside: The blackking98 kingkong baboon has nothing to say about this .
people like Beachside always included Igbos in the umbrella term of Efik/Ibibio etc. What do you mean by that?
Meaning someone who reasoned like U but was smarter and decided to ask the question about the differences despite his conviction that they were all the same including Igbo. I mean Pleep.
Beachside: ^^She already has her mind made up . Like most Nigerians ,she think there's 400 or 1000 ethnic groups or tribes in Nigeria. She does not know there's only 16 ethnicity in Nigeria. She thinks I don't know the original name of Calabar or understand Efik ,Anang,ibibio,or unaware there's variety within those dialects. She does not understand what I mean by an umbrella term "Calabar/Calabarians " for the ethnic group which consist of Efik,Ibibio,anang andOron,eket . She thinks ibibio ,annang ,Efik,Eket and Oron are distinct ethnic groups instead of communities /dialects of an ethnic group which has no umbrella term. She does not know that the names Igbo,Yoruba etc. are recently coined umbrella terms for related communities and dialects just like Calabar/Akwacross(Efik,Oron,ibibio,Oron,Eket) Efik dialect is the official and standard Calabarian/Akwacross language which is in the process of being registered by Google . just as Onitsha dialect and a bit of Ohuhu (umuahia dialects) is the standard and official Igbo language.
joecrack: The events that played out between yesterday and today is indeed a shame and one which sadly I dare say I am disappointed that my state, known for it's peaceful and loving people have decided to toe the path of crass nepotism in blocking a woman who although is not a Crossiverien by birth, happens to be married to a Crossiverien, ironically her mother is a Crossiverien and she was born and had lived all her life in Cross River which typically would mean she's "a daughter of the soil".
But people who are not Crossiveriens will be shocked that this rivalry will get to this level seeing Cross River and Akwa Ibom use to be one State. As a Crossiverien who was not born nor grew up home, this surprise struck me when I went to school in Calabar during my University days, I was shocked at the staunch hatred between indigenes of both States and for the purpose of clarity I must confess that this enmity is in two folds; hatred by the Efiks in Cross River towards their supposed brothers from the Ibibio and Anang stock in Akwa Ibom, this of course is vice versa and also a strong disdain from Northern and Central Crossiveriens towards Akwaibomites and for the purpose of record is also a mutual feeling.
The Efiks are largely easy going folks some may say docile but one thing is sure, they take life very easy and tend towards enjoying themselves and being jolly, in contrast, a typical man from Akwa Ibom is a hustler, very indoustrous, boisterous and domineering. Their adventurous nature has seen them become popular in places like Calabar South LGA, in fact folks from Akwa Ibom make up 60% of population in Calabar South. There is this joke in Calabar that during the days of Donald Duke, he went to visit a village in the Akpabuyo LGA, he asked for the Chief of the community and surprisingly he was told that the Chief went to his Village in Akwa Ibom, how ironic that an "outsider" is royalty in another man's village. These adventurous attitude and of course coupled with land grabbing expeditions by folks from Akwa Ibom brewed wrangling between the Efiks and their brothers from Akwa Ibom. Asides this, because of the the language similarities, most people from Akwa Ibom became mischievous and used that to their advantage by forging local government origins so as to get employment, admission and other gratifications from Cross River, deep down in them, they claim allegiance to Akwa Ibom but will also claim one village in either Calabar South, Odukpani or Akpabuyo when looking for perks.
On the one hand you have Central and Northern Cross River, these are ethnicities which are quite different in languages and culture from the Efiks and Akwaibomites, they had been tagged derogatory name as the Atams (whatever that means) by the Efiks and their brothers from Akwa Ibom, they, though being in majority had suffered marginalisation from time immemorial when the both States were one. These people also have a disdain towards Akwaibomites basically as a fight back towards undue entitlement mentality from Akwaibomites of either jobs, admission and benefits that comes with government. Typically, the Atam man hates the Akwa Ibom man just as in the same vain the Akwa Ibom man hates the Atam man. The Atam man which also sees himself as also boisterous and even adventurous in equal measure feels they must do everything it takes to push the Akwa Ibom man out because left to the Efiks, Akwaibomites will overun the whole Calabar and that’s why unfortunately the biggest losers in all of these are the Efiks, because due to the control of political office by folks from the Central and Northern Cross River for over 12 years now, concentration of government perks either by appointment, infrastructure, jobs, admission etc is given to people more from Northern and Central Cross River because the notion is that, that Efik man you want to give an opportunity, how sure are you he’s not from Akwa Ibom? This disdain is further fuelled by the fact that Crossiveriens are hardly given opportunities in Akwa Ibom. In the civil service, admission, contracts even at the level of academics, our children can’t even contest for Class Rep positions not to talk of the SUG, in fact there was an incident of one Prof. Unoh who wanted to be VC of University of Uyo, he was threatened till he was even shot at, sadly his driver died just because his colleagues from Akwa Ibom did not want him to emerge. A twist to this bickering is the lost of oil wells belonging to Cross River by a “smart” Godswill Akpabuyo, right under the nose of Crossiveriens, Godswill in a typical sense man style used the National Boundary Commission to cart away oil wells belonging to Cross River while the then Governor of Cross River State was monkeying away. This singular act further heitened the tension between the two states because Crossiveriens saw it as an act of wickedness from her sister state and supposed child to want to steal her birthright and plunging her into poverty more so when Akwa Ibom has hundreds of oil wells. Today in terms of oil allocation, Akwa Ibom gets the largest in the Country, Cross River is left with none, buy yet you have thousands of Akwaibomites living in Cross River, these people have to also share infrastructure provided by the Cross River State government yet, she was robbed of her wealth by Akwa Ibom.
So, these frictions have been going on and the event of the Chief Judge has further highlighted the rivalry between these States, but this is not to say there is no love, I will only say it’s a love-hate relationship because we are stucked with ourselves, there is intermarriage going on amongst us everyday, we interact at level of school and all that but the relationship has reached one where one looks at the other with suspicious eyes. There are those who also believe that the decision not to allow Justice Ikpeme be the substantive Chief Judge is Political. Local Government Elections are just behind the corner, perhaps Gov Ayade does not want to take any chance and feels Ikpeme won’t play ball with him so he decided to push her away to give way for the next most senior Judge who happens to be from his senatorial district. It should be worthy to note that the Speaker of the CRS House of Assembly (who gave a veto vote because voting proceedings to confirm Justice Ikpeme saw the election into a tie because 8 legislators were on the fence, 8 voted YES while another 8 voted NO, the Speaker’s vote voided the application) wife is from Akwa Ibom, infact about 4 members in the House Spouces are from Akwa Ibom. In all, let love always lead and let us have the ability to tolerate ourselves. I’m this regard I doff my hat for the South West, they lead when it comes to tolerance, we all should learn from them.
Thank you for this great piece of explanation. ...
It's so unfortunate that you people are very disunited as a people, otherwise you guys would have been the most powerful and influential ethnic group in the South-South (and not Ijaws).
Everything you wrote here is true, except for the fact you said "nothern and central Cross river are in the majority". That is where is a lie. If they were a majority why did they clamour for state creation when they have the numbers to dominate? It doesn't add up. Akwa Ibom alone has more population than cross river(efiks included) , check census or election results as far back as abiolas election to confirm, Akwa Ibom always gives atleast double of what Cross river gives, now by the time you add the efiks and recently akampa (the two lawmakers from there voted in favour of the woman and ibibio is the most spoken language there outside their native language) to their brothers in Akwa Ibom, the central and nothern cross riverians stood no chance and still stand no chance against us, hence they clamour for state separation, my own is unless power doesn't come back to southern Cross river which Akwa ibomites have domineering presence there, the atam people will have to thread with caution. Finally we call you guys atam because the atam people were the first central and nothern Cross riverians our fathers came in contact with, so I guess they assumed everybody from biase up is atam not knowing there were so many ethnicities there, it's nothing derogatory, it doesn't have meaning in our language.
Pls I have a question for you and Ibibiogrl.
Are Ejagham people also considered as Atam too? Considering the fact that also have a large population in Cross River south?
Is it also true that Ejagham has the largest population in Cross River State?
Is it also true that Ejagham is related to Efik/Ibibio in language and culture?
Really The oil wells in Ibeno-Eket should have been for Cross River state Yet those are in Ibibioland So Igbo was coined in 1970 to represent all Igbo speaking groups, yet those groups have names with Igbo from centuries ago names begining and ending with Igbo. E.g. Igbokwe,IgboUkwu etc. I will leave Igbos to answer that. U don't even understand the basic differences between Efik, Ibibios and Annang, simply because they speak a similar langauge, you think they split form each other I gave example of Spanish, French and Italian because thou those groups speak similar langauges, they're are not the same due to their different cultures. Do U know how the Efik name came about and the true meaning of that name If they were truly 1 with Ibibios Y What U refused to READ to understand despite my giving u the link to a thread where someone asked this question to undesrstand Y? Efik, Annang and Ibibio might be speaking a pigin language of a sort mixed with their orignal languages, which is why some words are completely different like the Feces example I gave. Unlike the Igbo groups & Yoruba groups who despite speaking different dialects they all practice same traditions and have same beliefs. Whereas Efiks and Oron have more in common with some Cameroun groups like Ejagham, which they have admited that they migrated from Cameroun. Annang including their name and some of their matriachal cultures migrated from Ghana. These groups just migrated to live next to Ibibio or were hosted by a small group of Ibibio(uruan) and adopted a few Ibibio traditions like Uruan adopted lots from Efik. Now U believe they split from each other If U Read the thread I gave U, you would've understood all as the people from those grous came to expalin their cultures & traditions. WHAT IS MY BUISNESS WITH THE DENIAL OF THE AKS JUDGE
For a lady, I really admire your knowledge and courage about your people, please keep it up.
However, let me correct you on some mistakes.
1) The differences between Ibibios, Efiks, Anangs and Orons cannot be compared to that of Spanish, Italian & French, rather it is more like the difference between Castillia, Galicia, Andalusia & Catalonia.. What is officially known as Spanish is CASTILLIAN.... Galicians, Andalusians, Catalans e.t.c speak very different languages/dialects and have different cultures, dressing and food from Spanish (Castillian)... However, all these group of people remain under one Spanish nationality and identity except the Catalans who are very desperate to break out.
The Italians you are calling as one identity... Do you know the strong factions, divisions and bitterness that exists within them? Infact, not until 100-200 years ago, There was no lingua franca (official dialect) in Italy... Every region of Italy spoke an entirely different language, practice different traditions, values, food, farming e.t.c. Some don't even see eye to eye ... Till now the divisions are still strong, but it has reduced unlike before.
2) Who told you that all the Igbo/Yoruba subgroups only speak different languages but have the same culture? The cultures are related, but they are not the same!
Do you think all Igbo/Yoruba subgroups have the same societal values, deities, dressing, food, masquerades, society cults, festivals e.t.c? If this is what you think, then you are very very wrong.
Just like someone told you above, before colonialism, the identity of Igbo & Yoruba only applied to a small fraction of what is today known as Igbo/Yoruba. The British were the ones who classified all similar peoples under the Igbo/ Yoruba tag. 150 years ago, Ijebu, Awori, Egba, Ekiti, Okun people never addressed or saw themselves as Yoruba people.... The Yoruba identity was meant for Oyo people alone... Same with the Igbos.
The Hausas through Danfodio's fulani conquest were the only ones who were already united before the British came.
Your stupidity is legendary.... For you to say Igbo is a recent term...do you think that we are like you ..the word Igbo means ancient that is why we call ourselves NdiGboo (shortened Ndị Igbo ) meaning the ones that are ancient
It's only in Igbo land that you see people bearing the names of their town like igbokwe, Nwosu Igbo, igboma , igbodike , Nwaigbo
It's only in Igbo land that you have towns Igbo Igbo land cardinal points bearing Igbo to show they are Igbo irrespective of the dialect In the Igbo north (Enugu axis ) we have Igbo Etiti In South the rivers we have Ọbigbo In central we have Igbo Ukwu ( Anambra ) In West have Igbuzor (Delta State ) and Akwukwu Igbo
Igbo have been in existence (independently for centuries and these independent clans identify themselves as Igbo for centuries !)
Even the Igbo at the fringes of cross river (Isobo) and the ones at fringes of AKS identify themselves as Igbo for centuries
I think that what is worrying you is minority mentality..where every clan is a nation....why don't you guys with Efik, Annang etc pull your resources together and form a stronger block ....it's because of this stupidity that you allowed then to give out bakassi without even a fight (bunch of cowards ) both Efiks, Annangs, Ibibio etc should be ashamed of that bakkasi and also should be ashamed for the low development in their region...
Leave Igbo alone, they are far ahead and they want their country which they don't seem to invite you guys ! From the look of things !
Put your house in order
Beachside is not wrong. Yes there was an identity known as Igbo before the colonial masters came, however that identity did not cover everyone who is an Igbo person today. The Igbo identity only applied to a section of Igbo people in the past and not everyone.
Nsukka, Nkanu, Enuani, Ukwuani, Ikwerres, Ngwas, Ezza-Izzi e t c people never identified themselves as Igbo people before colonial masters came....
Same with Yoruba... The Yoruba identity originally belonged to Oyo people only, but the British united everyone else under this identity.
Notice I said in my quote don't forget Ibibiogirl? Meaning Calabar girl(Efik) is completely different from Ibibio girl.
They problem is that U refused to respect these groups tradition and cultures. Making them to come around insulting each other I gave u a thread to read to learn about their histories, but U Refuse. If U wrote Eket-ibibio, u will not cause any commotion or receive any insult. Because despite speaking different dialects, Eket practice the same cultures and tradional beliefs as Ibibio, thereby they are considered a subgroup of ibibio. Same with Oron/Efik despite being in different states. Again there's nothing like AkwaCross and absolutely nothing like Calabarians What u are writing is similar to forcing Ijaw to become Igbo and abandon all their tradition and histories and ancient beliefs and adopt the Igbo cultures just because their lands are close together, so that they can become one group under a single umbrella.
No you are wrong... What beachside is saying is the way Okrikas, Kalabaris, Ibanis, Ogbias, Epies, Engennis, Arogbos, Nembes, Izons e.t.c all unite themselves under one umbrella term (IJAW) even though they speak entirely different languages and have different cultures, food, dressings and customs!
Arogbos & Apois in Ondo state still identify as Ijaws even though Arogbo people speak Yoruba as a 2nd language, while Apoi have completely switched to Yoruba as their mother tongue.
Same way most Ibani people in Bonny & Opobo have switched to Igbo as their mother tongue, but still identify as Ijaws.
What has Obolo in Ijaw got to do with Annangs and Ibibios So Uruan that hosted Efiks for some centuries now= the whole of Ibibioland Eket is a subgroup of Ibibio in culture and everything, they even speak Ibibio-proper as a 2nd langauge. Similar to Oron and Efik. Let Me give you a summary explanation in a brief detail; Here are the Major differences in Cultures between Efik, Annang & Ibibio
Also having lived in Abak & Calabar for a while I can tell you the differences in language. Words could be similar like English: I cannot, Annang: Nkarake, Ibibio: Nkanna, Efik :Nkemeke. Words can also be totaly different like English:feces, Annang:Afid, Ibibio:Uduang, Efik:IfVO.
Example of sentences- English:-1) My house is were we all are/We're all in my house. 2) This is my house Annang:-1) Ilung Ida ke afide ajid itie. 2)Ilung ida ade ami Ibibio: 1) Ufok mmi ke afit nyin iba. 2) Ufok mmi ado mi Efik:-1) Ebiet Idung mmi ke kpukpru nyin idu. 2) Ebiet idung mmi edi emi.
Most Ibibios & Efiks Do Not Understand Annang except the have lived in the Annang region, so how can the be dialects of each other Also Annang has 3-4Major dialect that an Ibibio or Efik won't understand 2words. Ibibio also has several dialects like Itumbonuzo, Eket etc.. Efik doesn't have any dialect as far as i know. So again how can Annang & Ibibio including their typical dialects be dialects of Efik?
I am most impress with you interest in this but by using sentences, dance patterns and the above has no bearing in concluding that this group aren't of same ancestry The English we speak and which is the official language in England varies from region to region What is spoken in London, Manchester, Newcastle has it own accent, dialect and pronunciation, there are three distinct English which are southern, Midland and northern but these are all English Even the dance pattern, food and music has it regional enclaves. Down here the Hausa spoken in sokoto, kano and Adamawa can be easily distinguished by Hausa's speakers yet same Hausa The youruba spoken in badagry won't be understood by an Ikeja brought up Yoruba and the Yoruba spoken in ondo, okitipupa, shaki I bet u can't be understood by this individual if you don't speak the central youruba Coming down home there is nothing different from what is spoken in Uruan, ITU that won't be comprehended in the entire calabar. The differences in Ibibio, efik and anang is just like southern, midland and northern England which are domicile in those regions. The accent, dialect and pronunciation doesn't make any of them different What brought about this was the arrival of the Europeans and fortunately for any chief back then especially those from the riverine area, they ceased the opportunity and promoted themselves and their territory While the obong who I will tell you can be traced to Uruan ancestry cannot be any further higher than the chiefs then in Uruan gained favors from the Europeans and consolidated his dominance, that can't be said of the other chiefs. You can't tell me the Efiks own calabar, the Quas and Efuts have the core inner land while the Efiks dominate the riverine areas Now the ibibios are using the oil wealth as Europeans to gain dominance. Forget the Ghana fables of anang being from Ghana or any group claiming to be above the other Ibibio,(ekid, ibeno)efik Anang oron and ekoi( ejahgham) are of the same stock and origin .
We in Akwa Ibom state specifically Ibibionation don't care about Biafra or Niger Delta. We are and will always be our own nation representing our culture and values. As u are defending Beachside now, don't complain again and call him ignorant when he labels ur group in the same manner.
It's not the same because we have different cultures and beliefs, similar to Ibibio and Igbos, only our langauges are similar but not tradition and cultures.
Are Ejagham people also considered as Atam too? Considering the fact that also have a large population in Cross River south?
Is it also true that Ejagham has the largest population in Cross River State?
Is it also true that Ejagham is related to Efik/Ibibio in language and culture?
yes they are similar, they are the originators of the nsibidi that we Akwa ibomites/efiks used, they also play ekpe,bear the same names with the efiks to a certain point but we do not understand their language, atleast 65% of akampa people speak ibibio/Efik as their second language, infact during my 100lvl, our faculty president spoke ibibio most times until I discovered he was actually from akampa, all my coursemates from akampa spoke Efik/ibibio fluently, but the ejagahms in etung and ikom aren't as close to us like their brothers in akampa and always tend to side with the atam people. So it's complicated
I am most impress with you interest in this but by uing sentences, dance patterns and the above does has no bearing in concluding that this group aren't of same ancestry The English we speak and which is the official language in England varies from region to region What is spoken in London, Manchester, Newcastle has it own accent, dialect and pronunciation, there are three distinct English which are southern, Midland and northern but these are all English Even the dance pattern, food and music has it regional enclaves. Down here the Hausa spoken in sokoto, kano and Adamawa can be easily distinguished by Hausa's speakers yet same Hausa The youruba spoken in badagry won't be understood by an Ikeja brought up Yoruba and the Yoruba spoken in ondo, okitipupa, shaki I bet u can't be understood by this individual if you don't speak the central youruba Coming down home there is nothing different from what is spoken in Uruan, ITU that won't be comprehended in the entire calabar. The differences in Ibibio, efik and anang is just like southern, midland and northern EngareNowhichh are domicile in those regions. The accent, dialect and pronunciation doesn't make any of them different what brought this was the arrival of the Europeans and fortunately for any chief back especially those from the riverine area they ceased the opportunity and promoted themselves and their territory While the obong who I will tell you can be traced to Uruan ancestry cannot be any further higher than the chiefs then Uruan gained favors from the Europeans and consolidated his dominance, that can't be said of the other chiefs. You can't tell me the Efiks own calabar, the Quas and Efuts have the core inner land while the Efiks dominate the riverine areas Now the ibibios are using the oil wealth as Europeans to gain dominance but forget the Ghana fables of anang being from Ghana or any group claiming to above the other Ibibio,(ekid, ibeno)efik Anang oron and ekoi( ejahgham) are of the same stock and origin
Beachside: A united and progressive Calabar (Akwacross) is preferred ,but for now I feel Akwa ibom can not be trusted. They think they have it all just due to baseless and unsustainable tangible development and 90 percent offshore oil which Uyo and Ikot ekepene have none of . They breed like rabbits and multiply poverty everywhere ,and they are not looking to unite,assimilate or accept Efik Calabarian methods as the standard and official. I support denial of the Akwa ibom judge and the appointment of the judge as long as he is from Cross river. that's why there should be ID database to separate wheat from chaff. On another thread, an akwa ibom individual was bragging that he was born and raised in calabar and ibibio will take over. His Allegiance is to Akwa ibom ,not cross river. I am American born and raised and mixed race and I qualify to be Governor of Cross river than that guy . it's about roots ,not born and raised. I don't care if an individual was born and lived ,school and worked all his life in Calabar, you are not from there and should be expelled if you do not pay allegiance to Calabar methods. There will be no seaport at Akwa ibom within the next 30 years . The only seaport on plan within the next 4 years is the Calabar seaport at Akpabuyo which will serve the entire cross river and the Greater Calabar area including Akwa ibom. Apart from English ,Efik is the standard and official language of the Cross river and Akwa ibom ,and is in the process of being registered by google. If Akwa ibom does not agree with these methods, all akwa ibom people should be expelled from cross river and a border wall built., all other mthods will be implemented to punish Akwa ibom forever.
Beachside is not wrong. Yes there was an identity known as Igbo before the colonial masters came, however that identity did not cover everyone who is an Igbo person today. The Igbo identity only applied to a section of Igbo people in the past and not everyone.
Nsukka, Nkanu, Enuani, Ukwuani, Ikwerres, Ngwas, Ezza-Izzi e t c people never identified themselves as Igbo people before colonial masters came....
Same with Yoruba... The Yoruba identity originally belonged to Oyo people only, but the British united everyone else under this identity.
You guys talk like clowns
In Nsuka axis we have a village called Igbo Eze (Igbo the king ) and you say igbo didn't cover them...you must be smoking Arizona... Igbo Eze has been there centuries
In ikwerre axis we have a town named Obigbo ( heart of Igbo ) yet you said that British made everyone Igbo ...you must be smoking Uduak dried urine
Around ukwuani you said that the British made them Igbo yet we have a core Igbo town around that axis called IgboBi Na Uzor (Igbuzor) meaning the Igbo that live on the road
You must be smoking spoilt Afang soup
Face your self and confused folks .Igbo have evolved and left you folks behind
Before the whites and ...the Igbo have been greeting the public with "Igbo kwenu " the public would say "eeeeh"
We have been known as Igbo right from time immemorial...the name Igbo means ancient and Ndị Igbo means the ancient people...
As you can see these towns that I named has been there even before colonials came or would you say they are the ones that created these towns
Or would you say the man that bears Igbokwe from Nsukka or Igboanugo from Anambra or Nwaigbo from rivers was named by colonials
Make una dey use una sense this confused middle belt boy...face the fulani that is taking over plateau State
I am most impress with you interest in this but by using sentences, dance patterns and the above has no bearing in concluding that this group aren't of same ancestry The English we speak and which is the official language in England varies from region to region What is spoken in London, Manchester, Newcastle has it own accent, dialect and pronunciation, there are three distinct English which are southern, Midland and northern but these are all English Even the dance pattern, food and music has it regional enclaves. Down here the Hausa spoken in sokoto, kano and Adamawa can be easily distinguished by Hausa's speakers yet same Hausa The youruba spoken in badagry won't be understood by an Ikeja brought up Yoruba and the Yoruba spoken in ondo, okitipupa, shaki I bet u can't be understood by this individual if you don't speak the central youruba Coming down home there is nothing different from what is spoken in Uruan, ITU that won't be comprehended in the entire calabar. The differences in Ibibio, efik and anang is just like southern, midland and northern England which are domicile in those regions. The accent, dialect and pronunciation doesn't make any of them different What brought about this was the arrival of the Europeans and fortunately for any chief back then especially those from the riverine area, they ceased the opportunity and promoted themselves and their territory While the obong who I will tell you can be traced to Uruan ancestry cannot be any further higher than the chiefs then in Uruan gained favors from the Europeans and consolidated his dominance, that can't be said of the other chiefs. You can't tell me the Efiks own calabar, the Quas and Efuts have the core inner land while the Efiks dominate the riverine areas Now the ibibios are using the oil wealth as Europeans to gain dominance. Forget the Ghana fables of anang being from Ghana or any group claiming to be above the other Ibibio,(ekid, ibeno)efik Anang oron and ekoi( ejahgham) are of the same stock and origin .
Efiks are Urauns they only promoted themselves courtesy of the Europeans they were privileged to encounter first before others, the same thing with the itshekeris and obas of Lagos aswell as in many other parts of Africa The era of tribe boosting self ego is history, this is an era where anthropology and DNA makeup of people can easily show and prove ur lineage and not bragging like ignorant fools You do know your onions very well @mildflame
Beachside: A united and progressive Calabar (Akwacross) is preferred ,but for now I feel Akwa ibom can not be trusted. They think they have it all just due to baseless and unsustainable tangible development and 90 percent offshore oil which Uyo and Ikot ekepene have none of . They breed like rabbits and multiply poverty everywhere ,and they are not looking to unite,assimilate or accept Efik Calabarian methods as the standard and official. I support denial of the Akwa ibom judge and the appointment of the judge as long as he is from Cross river. that's why there should be ID database to separate wheat from chaff. On another thread, an akwa ibom individual was bragging that he was born and raised in calabar and ibibio will take over. His Allegiance is to Akwa ibom ,not cross river. I am American born and raised and mixed race and I qualify to be Governor of Cross river than that guy . it's about roots ,not born and raised. I don't care if an individual was born and lived ,school and worked all his life in Calabar, you are not from there and should be expelled if you do not pay allegiance to Calabar methods. There will be no seaport at Akwa ibom within the next 30 years . The only seaport on plan within the next 4 years is the Calabar seaport at Akpabuyo which will serve the entire cross river and the Greater Calabar area including Akwa ibom. Apart from English ,Efik is the standard and official language of the Cross river and Akwa ibom ,and is in the process of being registered by google. If Akwa ibom does not agree with these methods, all akwa ibom people should be expelled from cross river and a border wall built., all other mthods will be implemented to punish Akwa ibom forever.
Beachside: It doesn't matter if Efik origin is Yoruba,Ashanti or Uruan ,or whatever that means . Akwa ibom is not Cross river. Your allegiance is to Akwa ibom . Efik /Calabar should be none of your business. Like you bragged ,there's no such thing as Akwacross . akwa ibom is now Dubai and have all the oil ,so go there and worry about there. Don't worry about the Calabar and cross river. I have concrete reasons for supporting denial of the akwa ibom judge. I don't care about the crowd. My new feeling is that all Akwa Ibom should be expelled from Cross river. Ogoja should be given a state if they want it , and I think Southern Cross river (Calabar,Odukpani,Biase,Akampka,Akpabuyo) should either merge with Akwa ibom or aspire for a state which will be Calabar city-state. You don't need oil to build an organized society. You are not from the Calabar or Cross river,it should be none of your business. Like ibibiogrl said,she does not care about bakkassi plight because it's not ibibio land. i'm sure you do not care about that and also do not care about Calabar's progress or Calabar seaport or the 79 oil wells forfeited to Akwa ibom.
You and the other clowns said "There's no such things akwacross","akwa ibom is dubai now " etc. Yet there are thousands of people from akwa ibom living in cross river ,but there's not up to 200 people from cross river living in Aka ibom. And you're salty about akwa ibom judge being denied. Do you know the meaning of national interest? That's why Naturalized US citizens can't be president or any key positions whethe raised in the US from 1 year old. . For now, Akwa ibom state and cross river state of Nigeria are rivals . However;Efik,ibibio,anang Oron ,Ejagham,eket are one ethnicity. Unless Akwa ibom and southern Cross river merge ,they are rivals for now .
You reason like one suffering from inferiority complex or somebody having a score to settle Thank good for the enlightenment of youth in this generation where greedy elites then politicians have failed us and were using us as weapons of destruction, it just a matter of time and as education, awareness and information continues to spread in this era of internet respect and pride for one another will be upper most in our mind You remain a fool and an infinite fool if the best you can offer is to sit somewhere outside the shores of Nigeria and think you know the dynamics of how things are done down here where there are thousands of new generations of youths in music, sports films, entertainment, IT, education are trying to do away with their ignorant parents, ego tripping elites and self centred politicians. The repairs and damages isn't gonna be easy but we won't be deter and a repulsive wannabe dumb ass like you won't stop us TV, radio stations, eforums, are springing up and making us in this generation to learn,respect and have our pride and identity Not the politicians or elites who can still marry their children to themselves and tell us lies You think Governor Ayade hates Akwa Ibom? Oh you are a misreable foreigner and tell that to your inferiority and scornful ridden father who taught you how to be a fool
I speak with facts and calculated points and not emotionally, if I'm wrong I acknowledge it and we move on, unfortunately most cross riverians on this topic choose to argue with emotions and throw insults in the face of a superior argument.Beachside, until you stop your insults, derogatory comments and being an agent of discord, all your derogatory mentions will be be tracked down and reported, only those that are constructive arguments will be left, those who know me on this thread will tell you I don't joke with my people, I promise to make life miserable for you until you stop being an ethnic war monger and come up with constructive arguments .if you loved us as much as you claim you won't be saying those things you say, anyway we don't need your love, development,ideas or what ever you contribute, we only need God. You say Akwa ibomites are wicked, domineering and aggressive, we only do that when we have been pushed to the wall, I will show you exactly how wicked we can be if we choose to, be guided, have a good day
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He is an infinite FOOL only GOD knows underneath what rock he crawled out from, he is too primitive to be alive but what the ba-stard wants in a thousand fold will he get it back 4k him, 4k his father and d fools with him
Let it made be clear here and for the sake of future generation, after Bakasi was ceded to Cameroon President obansanjo, obong victor Attah and Governor Donald Duke had a gentleman agreement to allow the oil wells to remain in cross river When Donald Duke left liyel Imoke on the advise of his attorney took the case to court and the supreme court gave it to Akwa Ibom Akwa Ibom never took Cross river to court though I want d oil well returned back to cross river and this can be done Mizwisdom, Eteka1 Blue3k and the pri-ck Beachside
Are Ejagham people also considered as Atam too? Considering the fact that also have a large population in Cross River south?
Is it also true that Ejagham has the largest population in Cross River State?
Is it also true that Ejagham is related to Efik/Ibibio in language and culture?
Blackking98: yes they are similar, they are the originators of the nsibidi that we Akwa ibomites/efiks used, they also play ekpe,bear the same names with the efiks to a certain point but we do not understand their language, atleast 65% of akampa people speak ibibio/Efik as their second language, infact during my 100lvl, our faculty president spoke ibibio most times until I discovered he was actually from akampa, all my coursemates from akampa spoke Efik/ibibio fluently, but the ejagahms in etung and ikom aren't as close to us like their brothers in akampa and always tend to side with the atam people. So it's complicated
Ejagham has got nothing to do with Ibibio They are partly Cameroonians, same as Efiks. Also Ibibios Do Not Practice Ekpe (Uruan is the only 1LGA in Akwa Ibom State made up of Ibibios that practice Ekpe, because they hosted Efiks for some Centuries and adopted a lot of Efik tradition & cultures) Oronation made up of 5LGA are the only legit ethnic group in AKS who practice Ekpe, and all other tradition and cultures practice by Efik and Ejaghams etc, also they all migrated through Cameroon. There is Nothing like Efik/Ibibio language There is Efik, Ibibio, Oron languages, just like there are Italian, Spanish, French etc.. Ejagham language is semi-bantoid and has no similiarity to those other languages.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagham_language If any Ejagham speaks Ibibio might be due to the large population of Ibibios living in CRS, that those Ejagham learn from.
For a lady, I really admire your knowledge and courage about your people, please keep it up. However, let me correct you on some mistakes. 1) The differences between Ibibios, Efiks, Anangs and Orons cannot be compared to that of Spanish, Italian & French, rather it is more like the difference between Castillia, Galicia, Andalusia & Catalonia.. What is officially known as Spanish is CASTILLIAN.... Galicians, Andalusians, Catalans e.t.c speak very different languages/dialects and have different cultures, dressing and food from Spanish (Castillian)... However, all these group of people remain under one Spanish nationality and identity except the Catalans who are very desperate to break out.
The Italians you are calling as one identity... Do you know the strong factions, divisions and bitterness that exists within them? Infact, not until 100-200 years ago, There was no lingua franca (official dialect) in Italy... Every region of Italy spoke an entirely different language, practice different traditions, values, food, farming e.t.c. Some don't even see eye to eye ... Till now the divisions are still strong, but it has reduced unlike before.
2) Who told you that all the Igbo/Yoruba subgroups only speak different languages but have the same culture? The cultures are related, but they are not the same!
Do you think all Igbo/Yoruba subgroups have the same societal values, deities, dressing, food, masquerades, society cults, festivals e.t.c? If this is what you think, then you are very very wrong.
Just like someone told you above, before colonialism, the identity of Igbo & Yoruba only applied to a small fraction of what is today known as Igbo/Yoruba. The British were the ones who classified all similar peoples under the Igbo/ Yoruba tag. 150 years ago, Ijebu, Awori, Egba, Ekiti, Okun people never addressed or saw themselves as Yoruba people.... The Yoruba identity was meant for Oyo people alone... Same with the Igbos.
The Hausas through Danfodio's fulani conquest were the only ones who were already united before the British came.
I don't Have the Time to Repeat lessons and Explanation that was already given 9years ago This is not same as Igbo/Ikwerre denial war. Despite the different dialects of same languages, there's not much differences in beliefs, tradition & cultures of Igbo and Yoruba groups as compared to Efiks, Ibibios & Annangs. This was confirmed by the Yorubas and Igbos themselves when someone actually asked these questions, instead of Ignorantly stating bogus personal opinions as Fact You can Read and argue with those posters that its not so, but the actually backup their claims with articles of history. READ DETAILS HERE: https://www.nairaland.com/609355/whats-major-differance-between-igbo
No you are wrong... What beachside is saying is the way Okrikas, Kalabaris, Ibanis, Ogbias, Epies, Engennis, Arogbos, Nembes, Izons e.t.c all unite themselves under one umbrella term (IJAW) even though they speak entirely different languages and have different cultures, food, dressings and customs! Arogbos & Apois in Ondo state still identify as Ijaws even though Arogbo people speak Yoruba as a 2nd language, while Apoi have completely switched to Yoruba as their mother tongue. Same way most Ibani people in Bonny & Opobo have switched to Igbo as their mother tongue, but still identify as Ijaws.
U cannot compare Ijaw groups becos they always abandon their cultures & adopt their host cultures and traditions, even they Obolo in Akwa Ibom state have adopted lots of Ibibio traditions, that many people in this thread were arguing that they amongst the Ibibio,Efik, Annang groups. If not that their other half is in River state with other Ijaw people, am sure the Obolo in AKS would've completely become Ibibio. It's just recently that most of these Ijaw groups despite abandoning their original tradition have begun to choose Ijaw as their Origin.
Beachside: It doesn't matter if Efik origin is Yoruba,Ashanti or Uruan ,or whatever that means . Akwa ibom is not Cross river. Your allegiance is to Akwa ibom . Efik /Calabar should be none of your business. Like you bragged ,there's no such thing as Akwacross . akwa ibom is now Dubai and have all the oil ,so go there and worry about there. Don't worry about the Calabar and cross river. I have concrete reasons for supporting denial of the akwa ibom judge. I don't care about the crowd. My new feeling is that all Akwa Ibom should be expelled from Cross river. Ogoja should be given a state if they want it .And I wanted Southern Cross river (Calabar,Odukpani,Biase,Akampka,Akpabuyo) to merge with Akwa ibom ,but now to aspire for a state which will be Calabar city-state. You don't need oil to build an organized society. You are not from the Calabar or Cross river,it should be none of your business. Like ibibiogrl said,she does not care about bakkassi plight because it's not ibibio land. i'm sure you do not care about that and also do not care about Calabar's progress or Calabar seaport or the 79 oil wells forfeited to Akwa ibom.
You and the other clowns said "There's no such things akwacross","akwa ibom is dubai now " etc. Yet there are thousands of people from akwa ibom living in cross river ,but there's not up to 200 people from cross river living in Aka ibom. And you're salty about akwa ibom judge being denied. Do you know the meaning of national interest? That's why Naturalized US citizens can't be president or any key positions whether raised in the US from 1 year old. . For now, Akwa ibom state and cross river state of Nigeria are rivals . However;Efik,ibibio,anang Oron ,Ejagham,eket are one ethnicity. Unless Akwa ibom and southern Cross river merge ,they are rivals for now .
State is not created due to landmass but population Why would Cross River state need to rejoin Akwa Ibom state again Do U know how U sound Thats similar to U saying Canada need to me merge back with USA
The person U replied to was talking about this garbage u spewed below here & U responded with More Garbage
Beachside: A united and progressive Calabar (Akwacross) is preferred ,but for now I feel Akwa ibom can not be trusted. They think they have it all just due to baseless and unsustainable tangible development and 90 percent offshore oil which Uyo and Ikot ekepene have none of . They breed like rabbits and multiply poverty everywhere ,and they are not looking to unite,assimilate or accept Efik Calabarian methods as the standard and official. I support denial of the Akwa ibom judge and the appointment of the judge as long as he is from Cross river. that's why there should be ID database to separate wheat from chaff. On another thread, an akwa ibom individual was bragging that he was born and raised in calabar and ibibio will take over. His Allegiance is to Akwa ibom ,not cross river. I am American born and raised and mixed race and I qualify to be Governor of Cross river than that guy . it's about roots ,not born and raised. I don't care if an individual was born and lived ,school and worked all his life in Calabar, you are not from there and should be expelled if you do not pay allegiance to Calabar methods. There will be no seaport at Akwa ibom within the next 30 years . The only seaport on plan within the next 4 years is the Calabar seaport at Akpabuyo which will serve the entire cross river and the Greater Calabar area including Akwa ibom. Apart from English ,Efik is the standard and official language of the Cross river and Akwa ibom ,and is in the process of being registered by google. If Akwa ibom does not agree with these methods, all akwa ibom people should be expelled from cross river and a border wall built., all other mthods will be implemented to punish Akwa ibom forever.
Ejagham has got nothing to do with Ibibio They are partly Cameroonians, same as Efiks. Also Ibibios Do Not Practice Ekpe (Uruan is the only 1LGA in Akwa Ibom State made up of Ibibios that practice Ekpe, because they hosted Efiks for some Centuries and adopted a lot of Efik tradition & cultures) Oronation made up of 5LGA are the only legit ethnic group in AKS who practice Ekpe, and all other tradition and cultures practice by Efik and Ejaghams etc, also they all migrated through Cameroon. There is Nothing like Efik/Ibibio language There is Efik, Ibibio, Oron languages, just like there are Italian, Spanish, French etc.. Ejagham language is semi-bantoid and has no similiarity to those other languages.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagham_language If any Ejagham speaks Ibibio might be due to the large population of Ibibios living in CRS, that those Ejagham learn from.
I don't Have the Time to Repeat lessons and Explanation that was already given 9years ago This is not same as Igbo/Ikwerre denial war. Despite the different dialects of same languages, there's not much differences in beliefs, tradition & cultures of Igbo and Yoruba groups as compared to Efiks, Ibibios & Annangs. This was confirmed by the Yorubas and Igbos themselves when someone actually asked these questions, instead of Ignorantly stating bogus personal opinions as Fact You can Read and argue with those posters that its not so, but the actually backup their claims with articles of history. READ DETAILS HERE: https://www.nairaland.com/609355/whats-major-differance-between-igbo
Lol. So you that is far away where ever you are knows better than me that is here in Cross river because you have access to Wikipedia. I don't have energy to argue, the majority will have their way and the minority will have their say at the end of the day.
https://www.nairaland.com/609355/whats-major-differance-igbo-people
Please don't compare your Ikwere/Igbo war to us, because it is not the same situation. READ DETAILS HERE: https://www.nairaland.com/609355/whats-major-differance-between-igbo
... Till now the divisions are still strong, but it has reduced unlike before.
Thats similar to U saying Canada need to me merge back with USA