Akpan107:
You don't need to go that far...

Their prophet Muhammad had musical instruments in his house.

Just ask them that...

See below for the Hadith

What!! Confusion everywhere

Agboriotejoye:


But you do admit that the call to prayer is musical in nature do you?

the only thing they have in common is just the melody. the drums and the content is basically what Islam is against. as you might know it is not against poetry, spoken words, and literature.
the prophet and the Qur'an were specific about drums and content

AntiChristian:


Isn't this funny too?

Instrumental music in the worship of the church is:
Not taught by Christ (Mat. 28:18; Col. 3:17; 2 John 9).
Not taught by the Holy Spirit (John 16:13; 14:26; Rom. 8:14).
Not taught by the Apostles (Mat. 28:19-20; Acts 2:42; Gal. 1:6-9; 1 Tim. 6:3-4).
Not in the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27).
Not helpful (Acts 20:20).
Not a good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
Not of faith (Rom. 10:17; 2 Cor. 5:7; Heb. 11:7).
Not of truth (John 4:24; 17:17).
Not of righteousness (Rom. 1:16-17; 1 John 5:17).
Not as the oracles of God (2 Tim. 1:13; 1 Pet. 4:11).
Not bound in heaven (Mat. 16:19).
Not pertaining to life and godliness (2 Pet. 1:3).

https://www.northwestcofc.org/why-does-the-church-of-christ-not-use-mechanical-instruments-of-music-in-worship.html

I usually don't comment on Islamic threads as I hate to swear to follow on god and his prophet. However, I just had to defy the odds to do so.

1. Psalms 150 mentions and talks about praising God with every known instrument in the world.

2. David danced recklessly before God that his robe fell off and his wife despised him.

2 Samuel 6:14-16 English Standard Version (ESV)

14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might. And David was wearing a linen ephod.

Guess what happened to the one who despised David for 'dancing naked before his God'?.

3. All through the Old Testament, the people of Israel praised God with shouts, tambourines, harps, cymbals, trumpets, horns, etc.

I get it, musical instruments are Haram in your religion but it shouldn't justify why you had to bring up wrong Bible passages as references. I could have ignore but thought to educate you.

Counter Disclaimer: I know no Mohammed and do not recognise him as a servant of the living God.

gentleibraheem:


they don't own it. I'd like illustrating using structures in Christianity because you can relate to that better.
it's just like assuming Jerusalem is owned by Israelis and therefore they should understand the religion better because the holy site is in Thier custody. does that makes sense to you

Jerusalem is not like Mecca for Christians. Jerusalem is a symbolic place not a significant place. You don't need to visit Jerusalem or Israel to become a full Christian, it's just a symbolic thing. Jesus was born in Nazareth. He traversed Judah and Samaria. He was killed in Jerusalem but ascended by the sea of Galilee. Even the Bible was compiled over different cities and towns. So Christianity does not have any spiritual attachment to Jerusalem. It's purely symbolic

Agboriotejoye:


How can Saudis own the religion and decide what is and what is not Islamic and you turn around to say not all they do is Islamic. It's just like saying the Sultan can be wrong in Islamic matters when we know he is the supreme authority for islam in Nigeria. Except you want to tell us that Islam can exist without Saudis which will bring up another matter entirely like how do you then perform the hajj

you need to have an objective mindset while reading my comments. forget about hearsay and preconceived notions and listen. the kaabah is located at Saudi and it represents the center of islamic activities I understand. but listen please not everything that happens in Saudi that is islamic. it's just like saying everything that happens in Vatican city is Christianity and that doesn'st make sense.

Newnas:


Firstly, modernization is a collective human effort. It isn't exclusive to the any region of the world. Are they the only ones that make research and innovation? And if you've been reading you would have learnt how algebra was invented by a Muslim mathematician; al-Khawaarizmi. Your jehova witness book; awake even documented it. Please read and save yourself sone shame.

Secondly, call it misic or whatever name you like, as long as there isn't instruments and it doesn't contain prohibited lyrics there's nothing bad in it. Otherwise, it's un-Islamic.

You are not very smart.
While modernisation is relative per-culture, a region of the world 'conquered' the world eons back & have gone to set a globally accepted minimum standard of what should be considered modernisation. Every part of the world is gearing towards that standard & you say modernisatio. Is not exclusive to a region of the world?

- Democracy
- Human rights for all
- Gender equality
- Liberalism
- Implementation of science & technology along western standards etc

All of these & more show that modernisation today is synonymous to westernisation.

You need to put that book containing Arabic folktale down & read proper books.

Agboriotejoye:


Jerusalem is not like Mecca for Christians. Jerusalem is a symbolic place not a significant place. You don't need to visit Jerusalem or Israel to become a full Christian, it's just a symbolic thing. Jesus was born in Nazareth. He traversed Judah and Samaria. He was killed in Jerusalem but ascended by the sea of Galilee. Even the Bible was compiled over different cities and towns. So Christianity does not have any spiritual attachment to Jerusalem. It's purely symbolic

whatever it is I'll still stress on the need for you to understand that the prejudice about everything Saudi or Arabic is islamic is false please ok.

gentleibraheem:


the only thing they have in common is just the melody. the drums and the content is basically what Islam is against. as you might know it is not against poetry, spoken words, and literature.
the prophet and the Qur'an were specific about drums and content

But call to prayer is music you agree. You're just going into the science of music but that is not important

Go back and read what you wrote about music and what your fellow muslims have written on this thread. You guys did not differentiate. You said music is haram. If that is the case. then the call to prayer is haram as well don't you think?

Evidence of prohibition of music in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:

Allaah says in Soorat Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning):

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]

lol. I don't like lying I love been frank. considering the fact that I listen to music doesn't mean I shouldn't admit that it is wrong to do so.
it's just like you're justifying something wrong because you're doing it.
I listen to music and engage in other unislamic stuffs but I don't justify my actions I admit I'm actually doing the wrong thing. and I'm not happy I'm doing it. hope you get that

AntiChristian:
See the uncouth people above me?

Parents are truly failing!

Musical Instruments is haram in Islam

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lol. I don't like lying I love been frank. considering the fact that I listen to music doesn't mean I shouldn't admit that it is wrong to do so.
it's just like you're justifying something wrong because you're doing it.
I listen to music and engage in other unislamic stuffs but I don't justify my actions I admit I'm actually doing the wrong thing. and I'm not happy I'm doing it. hope you get that[/quote]

gentleibraheem:



whatever it is I'll still stress on the need for you to understand that the prejudice about everything Saudi or Arabic is islamic is false please ok.

Well... Facts don't support that assertion

Everything about Saudi is Islam and everything about Islam is found in Suadi

Agboriotejoye:


What!! Confusion everywhere

Hahaha...

That's Islam for you.

In another Hadith, Angels where singing praises to Allah...

But Muslims said, singing is Haram (sin)

In Islam, having sex outside marriage is a Sin,

But Muhammad their prophet had sex with a lady who is not his wife.

Read Sunan an-Nasa'i book 36 Hadith No 21

Whatsoever a Muslim tells you is a Sin, just make a little research about it, just to exposed them.

Christian should wakeup and start exposing these people...

Whatever logic a Muslim brings to you, just used his logic again him, you will see him running from pillar to post to defend his very logic.

gentleibraheem:


you need to have an objective mindset while reading my comments. forget about hearsay and preconceived notions and listen. the kaabah is located at Saudi and it represents the center of islamic activities I understand. but listen please not everything that happens in Saudi that is islamic. it's just like saying everything that happens in Vatican city is Christianity and that doesn'st make sense.

Vatican is the home of Catholics. Everything that has to do with Catholics stem from there. On that you're right. It can favourable compare with the stand of Saudi in Islam. While you're right that not everything that happens in Saudi is Islamic, it goes to show that Saudi is modernizing and moving away from the classical and fanatical Islamism that some people seem to still embrace especially in our part of the world.

Agboriotejoye:


But call to prayer is music you agree. You're just going into the science of music but that is not important

Go back and read what you wrote about music and what your fellow muslims have written on this thread. You guys did not differentiate. You said music is haram. If that is the case. then the call to prayer is haram as well don't you think?


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lol. I don't like lying I love been frank. considering the fact that I listen to music doesn't mean I shouldn't admit that it is wrong to do so.
it's just like you're justifying something wrong because you're doing it.
I listen to music and engage in other unislamic stuffs but I don't justify my actions I admit I'm actually doing the wrong thing. and I'm not happy I'm doing it. hope you get that

I do not know any music in the 21st century that the content is not about pussy, money, weed, crime, drugs, challenging the existence of God, you can go on and on. with a beat that feels like piercing the eardrum.
however I guess you're the party that is supposed to go back and read why my brothers write down.

Terrorists na to dey bomb things up and down na una sabi acording to karl marx religion is an opium of the masses

Agboriotejoye:


Vatican is the home of Catholics. Everything that has to do with Catholics stem from there. On that you're right. It can favourable compare with the stand of Saudi in Islam. While you're right that not everything that happens in Saudi is Islamic, it goes to show that Saudi is modernizing and moving away from the classical and fanatical Islamism that some people seem to still embrace especially in our part of the world.

lol. so why have you been vehemently arguing. it's funny actually you're agreeing to what you've been disputing so far.
however I don't agree with you about anything fanatical or classical Islam. anything that derails from islam is unislamic. I don't wanna argue about that though you're entitled to your own opinion and I'm fine with that

Agboriotejoye:


Well... Facts don't support that assertion

Everything about Saudi is Islam and everything about Islam is found in Suadi

can you see the contradiction with your earlier comment?.
we're good okay, believe what you want to I'm all good with that

Agboriotejoye:

There's nothing in all those verses you quoted that says one should not play music. As a matter of fact,

Mary the mother of Jesus Christ sang after the birth of the saviour Luke 1:46
His Apostles sang hymns on the day of Pentecost and even in jail which led to their deliverance Acts 16:25
Songs and music are being played in heaven according to revelations rev15:3

God bless you brother...

gentleibraheem:



I do not know any music in the 21st century that the content is not about pussy, money, weed, crime, drugs, challenging the existence of God, you can go on and on. with a beat that feels like piercing the eardrum.
however I guess you're the party that is supposed to go back and read why my brothers write down.

As I told you before, asalatu singers make Islamic music. There also Islamic musicians in the north. What you're saying is that those people are un-islamic and deserve to be dealt with in accordance with Islamic laws. Just cause there is preponderance of secular music does not mean there are no good Islamic music. Even in Middle East and India

Agboriotejoye:


Why do asalatu sing and dance if it is haram?

Jesus did not need to sing and dance. His disciples did. He is to be worshipped in singing and dancing as the savior of the whole world.

You're right... Your response gives me joy...

More wisdom...

gentleibraheem:



lol. so why have you been vehemently arguing. it's funny actually you're agreeing to what you've been disputing so far.
however I don't agree with you about anything fanatical or classical Islam. anything that derails from islam is unislamic. I don't wanna argue about that though you're entitled to your own opinion and I'm fine with that

No don't get it twisted. Not everything that HAPPENs in Saudi is about Islam. That is true. For example there is oil exploration in Saudi and women are now allowed to drive. Those do not have anything to do with Islam.

However, Islam is Saudi and Saudi is Islam. Therefore anything that is un-Islamic should not have a place in Saudi. That's what I told you before. Don't get it twisted.

For example, when the issue of women being allowed to watch men football was allowed, the sharia edict prohibiting it was changed by the King. That's what I'm talking about in terms of fanatical and classical Islam that Saudi is moving away from. Hope you get it now.

gentleibraheem:



lol. I don't like lying I love been frank. considering the fact that I listen to music doesn't mean I shouldn't admit that it is wrong to do so.
it's just like you're justifying something wrong because you're doing it.
I listen to music and engage in other unislamic stuffs but I don't justify my actions I admit I'm actually doing the wrong thing. and I'm not happy I'm doing it. hope you get that

You funny I swear

AntiChristian:


Musical instrument is haram according to the Islamic Books! It does not matter even if any prominent Muslim sings with it!

Asalatu is an innovation that is forbidden!
We ask Allah to perfect our steps in Islam.

1. What is the perfect reason that we should believe Muhammed and his revelation?
2. Is there any source outside his documented revelation that can ascertain or affirm his calling and revelation as genuine not manufactured by the devil?
3. Since devil is so powerful than human being how can we so sure that the prophet is not being deceived through revelation?
4. What are the real evidence that we can know that all the revelations are genuinely from God as God confirm it through any similar revelation to someone than the prophet.
5. What are the real life experiences that have happen that we can use to confirm the truthful of the Prophet and his so called revelation except from religious teaching?

To all muslims answer all these questions without heresy. I need fact not historical jargons.

Agboriotejoye:

She's a kafir because she thinks music is good? Don't you think that it shows a classical lack of open mindedness towards the preference of another? The kind that births terrorism?

someone who came armed to attack the religion does not deserve any engagement. She was not the only one that commented, but I picked more stupidity in her own. Where's the preference expressed in her post? Is that how you express preference? We don't want you to see us differently. We've accepted the tag of terrorism. Now, go back to where you all came from.

gentleibraheem:


lol. don't be judgemental bruv

judgemental ? How? Someone mentioned my creator with full irreverence and you're telling me not to judge? I didn't judge, I only called a spade its english name.

Solohmony:


1. What is the perfect reason that we should believe Muhammed and his revelation?
2. Is there any source outside his documented revelation that can ascertain or affirm his calling and revelation as genuine not manufactured by the devil?
3. Since devil is so powerful than human being how can we so sure that the prophet is not being deceived through revelation?
4. What are the real evidence that we can know that all the revelations are genuinely from God as God confirm it through any similar revelation to someone than the prophet.
5. What are the real life experiences that have happen that we can use to confirm the truthful of the Prophet and his so called revelation except from religious teaching?

To all muslims answer all these questions without heresy. I need fact not historical jargons.

This is an atheist question in an Islamic thread. How does any of these question relate to Musical instrument?

I thought atheist are logical?

Caseless:
someone who came armed to attack the religion does not deserve any engagement. She was not the only one that commented, but I picked more stupidity in her own. Where's the preference expressed in her post? Is that how you express preference? We don't want you to see us differently. We've accepted the tag of terrorism. Now, go back to where you all came from.

She expressed preference for music. How's that a crime? It shows intolerance on your part to label her a kafir cause of that. Even if she were wrong, you can correct her in love if it doesn't sound strange to you. But to label her a sinner and unbeliever because of her preference is to ascribe perfection to yourself which i'm sure you're not.
If you accept the tag of terrorism, shall we then be right to call you an enemy to humanity and the world at large? You should rather strive to rid islam of every trace of terrorism so that the world can enjoy true peace as was the intendment of every religion.

Akpan107:
God bless you brother...

You too my brother. Thank God we are children of liberty through the love of Christ.

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May Allah guide us all