MuttleyLaff:
I pray that God have mercy on your impoverished soul

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AMEN.


BLESSED ARE THE POOR IN SPIRITS.

orisa37:
AMEN.
BLESSED ARE THE POOR IN SPIRITS.

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Well done. Clap it up for yourself.

You may admit to be poor in the spirit, which is true but much of what’s in your head is demoniacal and comes straight out from the pit of hell

MuttleyLaff:
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Well done. Clap it up for yourself.

You may admit to be poor in the spirit, which is true but much of what’s in your head is demoniacal and comes straight out from the pit of hell

Get thee behind me Satan.

orisa37:
Get thee behind me Satan.

Why dont you as well bend down and touch your toes whilst soliciting Satan to get behind you, erhn, lol?

MuttleyLaff:
Why dont you as well bend down and touch your toes whilst soliciting Satan to get behind you, erhn, lol?

hahaha.

MuttleyLaff:
[s]I am doing a civic duty of letting you know that your sheik, the self-styled Ustaz, blind leading the blind, Jamiu Adegunwa is undoubtedly a bad influence on you and the earlier you stop listening to/watching his facebook broadcast to come regurgiate his bile and bad teaching here, the better for you. For very strong good health and soul reasons, stop drinking that self-styled Ustaz, fake arsed Jamiu Adegunwa's Kool-Aid.[/s]

The readership can see and judge that you my beloved Muslim brother friend Em.piree dont want to acknowledge and/or admit that the words christian and/or christianity, did not originate from God, Jesus nor any of the Apostles and this is more the reason, why you're forever faffing around, roving and ranting and not bothered at all to answer any of all the simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions I ever asked you, lol

Sick of you really. At what point did I say the word christian or christianity originated from God or Jesus?. You begin to sound like wounded robot.

I have on varied occassions, typed about how the church was romanticised by Constantine and etcetera and also is one of the reasons, why I often type that, if only more christians read their bibles there'd be less christians. Now its not my circus, not my monkeys, if you are that handicapped enough to not be able to read between the lines, lol. Tbh, I really do know you have so little understanding.

This is probably 3rd time you said this too. I keep telling you this is the very reason christianity is NOT from God or Jesus. You already proved me right few times. Read yourself very well before you post.

Let me drop another surprising truth to further torment you Em.piree, my dear beloved Muslim brother friend and that is, fyi, there is no Jesus command about keeping sabbath to obtain eternal life and/or our Lord and Saviour of the world Jesus, never taught, not even once mentioned keeping the sabbath to obtain eternal life.

if there is no command for sabbath, did he command you to call him Lord and Savior of the World?. You keep digging holes for yourself. Where in the Bible Jesus said he's the "Lord and Savior"?

Please I reiterate, you're yapping and constantly barking up the wrong tree, looking for those practising religion of Roman paganism. Of course, there is no evidence from Jesus that anyone should go to church on Sunday, but the thing is
you arent aware of the law of liberty in Romans 14:5, which provides clear evidence that there is no specified day to church. Church is not physical building(s) my ignorant beloved Muslim brother friend Emp.iree. C'mon now, no one can say, look, here is God or look, there iis God because you see my dear Muslim brother friend, God does not tabernacle in buildings and or mosques but He lives within us. You never knew this nugget before, lol. You never had any knowledge about this nugget. You thought God lives in mosques etcetera, and think God only appears in buildings, on Saturdays, Sundays and/or Fridays, smh, lol.

I said before and will say it again. Paul changed the teachings of Jesus. Look @bolded, who wrote the book of Romans?. It was Paul and Paul never met or seen Jesus. He made his own laws. It is clear from the verse I quoted earlier in Hebrews 6:1 that you follow teachings of Paul not Jesus. Dont you get it?. It was Paul who taught the teaching of "blood of Jesus" for salvation of christians. Guy, you have been scammed.



Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, Hebrews 6:1

So are you following Jesus or Paul?

Empiree:
Sick of you really. At what point did I say the word christian or christianity originated from God or Jesus?. You begin to sound like wounded robot.

Let me straight up a bit with you on this hmm. Remember you have a problem with the word christian or christianity, yeah? Well guess what, both words didnt originate from God, did not originate from Jesus nor originated from any of the Apostles. Interestingly the word, christianity, isnt even in the Bible, bwahahaha ha, but you came on the thread gung ho, with gun blazing, shooting from the hip and kept jiving nonsense upandan the place. I've tried telling you there are distinctions in faith in Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ and christanity, the organised religion, lol, but you arent any the wiser, lol

Empiree:
This is probably 3rd time you said this too. I keep telling you this is the very reason christianity is NOT from God or Jesus.

Dont worry, no one is going to tell you that you barking up the wrong tree and you've been busy trying to preach to the choir, lol

Empiree:
You already proved me right few times. Read yourself very well before you post.
if there is no command for sabbath, did he command you to call him Lord and Savior of the World?.

Smh, this guy is thicker than a two by two plank wood. You are just too slow on the uptake for my liking. I wonder how your missus manages live with you with how it takes you a long time to understand or realise things, lol.

Empiree:
You keep digging holes for yourself.

Unlike you, I am capable of deliberately digging holes for myself, and that's because I can without a sweat climb out them from, but you, nah, you 11 times out of 10, not only get lost in the rabbit hole(s) you burrow and dive into, but you are incapable of climbing out of it/them, lol.

Empiree:
Where in the Bible Jesus said he's the "Lord and Savior"?

"For the Son of man, is Lord, even of the sabbath day"
- Matthew 12:8

“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I AM?”
Peter answered, “You are the Christ.”"
- Mark 8:29

Now Empiree, my beloved, the $64,000 question you ought to be asking is: What is Jesus anointed for, to do, lol. i dont know why I even bother, wasting my time by offering precious Matthew 12:8, Mark 8:29 and other verses I could that is helpful and/or valuable, but to someone like my dear beloved Muslim brother friend Empiree, who does not appreciate or understand them, lol. Read Matthew 12:8 and Mark 8:29 and then after weep or cry from seeing that Jesus is Lord and Saviour, lol

Empiree:
I said before and will say it again. Paul changed the teachings of Jesus. Look @bolded, who wrote the book of Romans?. It was Paul and Paul never met or seen Jesus.

Meeting Jesus physically is never a prerequisite for believing, for having faith and/or following the commandments of Jesus Christ

Empiree:
He made his own laws. It is clear from the verse I quoted earlier in Hebrews 6:1 that you follow teachings of Paul not Jesus. Dont you get it?. It was Paul who taught the teaching of "blood of Jesus" for salvation of christians.

MuttleyLaff:
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Of course, you can continue arguing blindly as long as you want and/or have your fill, lol.

Look at my dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, living in a glass house but throwing stone, lol. Why dont you tell, why saying Koran, Qur'an or Quran, Moslem or Muslim and Muhammad or Mohammed hmm?

"She will give birth to a son, and you will name Him Jesus [He Saves], because He will save His people from their sins.
(i.e. “And she shall bring forth a Son, and she shall call His name Yeshua, for He shall save His people from their sins. )"
- Matthew 1:21

"The Savior—yes, the Messiah, the Lord—has been born today in Bethlehem, the city of David!"
- Luke 2:11

"John saw Jesus coming toward him the next day and said,
"Look! This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."
- John 1:29

You ignorantly say, it was Paul who taught the teaching of "blood of Jesus" for salvation of christians, but have a very good long, careful and thoughtful look at that John 1:29 verse above, there are other verses like that by the way of fyi to you. Now does somebody, called John the Baptist strike any cord with you, lol. Smh. Are you familiar with the name John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, hmm? Well, keep on as you usually do, which is, arguing blindly, lol

Empiree:
Guy, you have been scammed.
Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, Hebrews 6:1

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Empiree:
So are you following Jesus or Paul?

"Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
(i.e. Imitate me, then, just as I imitate Christ.)"
- 1 Corinthians 11:1

My beloved dear favourite Muslim brother friend Empiree, it goes without saying that both Apostle Paul and MuttleyLaff, yours truly, obediently and proudly follow Yahshua Ha Mashiach, that to you means, we follow Jesus, the Anointed One, lol

MuttleyLaff:
Let me straight up a bit with you on this hmm. Remember you have a problem with the word christian or christianity, yeah? Well guess what, both words didnt originate from God, did not originate from Jesus nor originated from any of the Apostles. Interestingly the word, christianity, isnt even in the Bible, bwahahaha ha, but you came on the thread gung ho, with gun blazing, shooting from the hip and kept jiving nonsense upandan the place. I've tried telling you there are distinctions in faith in Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ and christanity, the organised religion, lol, but you arent any the wiser, lol

Dont worry, no one is going to tell you that you barking up the wrong tree and you've been busy trying to preach to the choir, lol

Smh, this guy is thicker than a two by two plank wood. You are just too slow on the uptake for my liking. I wonder how your missus manages live with you with how it takes you a long time to understand or realise things, lol.

Unlike you, I am capable of deliberately digging holes for myself, and that's because I can without a sweat climb out them from, but you, nah, you 11 times out of 10, not only get lost in the rabbit hole(s) you burrow and dive into, but you are incapable of climbing out of it/them, lol.

"For the Son of man, is Lord, even of the sabbath day"
- Matthew 12:8

“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I AM?”
Peter answered, “You are the Christ.”"
- Mark 8:29

Now Emp.iree, my beloved, the $64,000 question you ought to be asking is: What is Jesus anointed for, to do, lol. i dont know why I even bother, wasting my time by offering precious Matthew 12:8, Mark 8:29 and other verses I could that is helpful and/or valuable, but to someone like my dear beloved Muslim brother friend Empiree, who does not appreciate or understand them, lol. Read Matthew 12:8 and Mark 8:29 and then after weep or cry from seeing that Jesus is Lord and Saviour, lol

Meeting Jesus physically is never a prerequisite for believing, for having faith and/or following the commandments of Jesus Christ



You ignorantly say, it was Paul who taught the teaching of "blood of Jesus" for salvation of christians, but have a very good long, careful and thoughtful look at that John 1:29 verse above, there are other verses like that by the way of fyi to you. Now does somebody, called John the Baptist strike any cord with you, lol. Smh. Are you familiar with the name John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, hmm? Well, keep on as you usually do, which is, arguing blindly, lol

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My beloved dear favourite Muslim brother friend Empir.ee, it goes without saying that both Apostle Paul and MuttleyLaff, yours truly, obediently and proudly follow Yahshua Ha Mashiach, that to you means, we follow Jesus, the Anointed One, lol

Alhamdulillah...I have given you another opportunity to provide evidences I asked for but you failed again. For the purpose of our reading audience, let me point the two most crucial points you failed.

I asked for where Jesus said he is the Lord and Savior and you provided "For the Son of man, is Lord, even of the sabbath day"
- Matthew 12:8 and “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I AM?” Peter answered, “You are the Christ.”"- Mark 8:29


Matthew 12:8, how many Lord do we have in the Bible?

In the Book of Isaiah 45:5, Allah (God) said I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God....


Isaiah 43:11, God said I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

So you can see you could not establish proof that Jesus is Savior according to Mark 8:29 that you posted. And Matthew 12:8 shows that you believe there are two Lods (God and Jesus), So you see how messed up you are now?



Second point I asked who do you follow, Jesus or Paul?. You said

"Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
(i.e. Imitate me, then, just as I imitate Christ.)"
- 1 Corinthians 11:1

You wanna tell us that by imitating Paul you actually follow Jesus, correct?. But same Paul said he abandoned Jesus teachings and brought his own he taught you. Paul said in Hebrews 6:1


Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity,


So, how you do "imitate" Jesus by following Paul who already abandoned Jesus' teachings for his own selfish interest?. Bro, you have failed. This is probably my last post. You dont make sense. I said it before and will say it again that Christianity is paganism brought by Paul from Rome. You can see clearly from Hebrew 6:1 that christianity (Paul religion) has nothing to do with Jesus (Islamic religion)

Empiree:
Alhamdulillah...

May Abba have mercy on your impoverished and darkened soul

Empiree:
I have given you another opportunity to provide evidences I asked for but you failed again. For the purpose of our reading audience, let me point the two most crucial points you failed.

I have given you the opportunities and right to make a right arse of yourself, lol and I am glad your good honorable self, havent failed me in delivering and doing just right that, lol.

The readership can see that you seem to have some semblances of good intentions, that you seem well-meaning but the thing is you're misguided, you're misinformed and full of ill-informed opinions.

Empiree, my dear Muslim brother friend, you know very very less than you should, about all that's so far being tabled here by you to discuss on and this is apparent for all to see because you keep ignorantly and blindly arguing with me. You dont understand any of my hints, answers and responses. You are dazzled by my headlights, lol. The brightness of my headlights are too strong for your weak eyes, it blinds you, lol. All you are intent and bent on doing, is try to drag me down for whatever reason you have, into the slimy pit, the mud and mire, that you are in. Never wrestle a wild boar. You both get dirty, and the wild boar likes it.

Empiree:
I asked for where Jesus said he is the Lord and Savior and you provided "For the Son of man, is Lord, even of the sabbath day"
- Matthew 12:8 and “But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I AM?” Peter answered, “You are the Christ.”"- Mark 8:29

Matthew 12:8, how many Lord do we have in the Bible?

In the Book of Isaiah 45:5, Allah (God) said I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God....

Isaiah 43:11, God said I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

So you can see you could not establish proof that Jesus is Savior according to Mark 8:29 that you posted. And Matthew 12:8 shows that you believe there are two Lods (God and Jesus), So you see how messed up you are now?

"For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on his shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
(i.e. For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us. He shoulders responsibility and is called: Extraordinary Strategist, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace)"
- Isaiah 9:6

""Look! The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him Emmanuel," which means "God with us.""
- Matthew 1:23

If you still have no idea, it will mean and unfair of me, to try get you to answer the next $64,000 question of, what is the implication behind the meaning of the two word, Jesus Christ, lol

Empiree:
Second point I asked who do you follow, Jesus or Paul?. You said

You wanna tell us that by imitating Paul you actually follow Jesus, correct?.

Empiree, why if just for once and or pretend that your life depends on it, sincerely and honestly respond to the following
1/ Did Apostle Paul or not, say he is a follower of Jesus?
2/ Did Apostle Paul or not, say, he copies the behaviour or actions of Jesus?
3/ If Apostle Paul is already travelling from Lagos to Kafanchan, following and taking cue from Jesus, what's wrong in following Apostle Paul if embarking on same jouney, when he in turn, is following in Jesus' steps ahead of us both, hmm?

Empiree:
But same Paul said he abandoned Jesus teachings and brought his own he taught you. Paul said in Hebrews 6:1

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity,

So, how you do "imitate" Jesus by following Paul who already abandoned Jesus' teachings for his own selfish interest?. Bro, you have failed.

Bro, you have failed. My guy, its you who's failed. Read further on below to see how you failed to correctly understand Hebrews 6:1. Smh.

Empiree:
This is probably my last post.

"When the Iroko tree is being cut down, the monkeys (on it) begin to migrate" lol, that a very home truth proverbial coming from my Ndigbo brothers' side.

Empiree, you're someone prepped up to be barbecued, but then on your own accord, went on to rub yourself down with kerosene and even had yourself, on top, soaked up in gasoline. All I have to do, is strike a match and its boom, boom, match in the gas, lol, and its your last post, you're history because of the boom shakalaka! lol.

If a dog strays, into the lion’s lair, the dog must bathe in blood ni, lol. The fear of Amọtẹkun, lol, is the beginning of wisdom, so I wont be surpised if this probably turns out to be your last post. It'll be good riddance to bad rubbish anyway and I'll be delighted you've had enough because all you ever did, apart from displaying your crass ignorance here, was just sheer prevaricating. You made the devil jealous of your skill at evasion and being as slippery like an eel. You dont respond to itemised questions asked you. You avoid replying to itemised and numbered up questions put to you. Smh. All you've so far done is vacillating and constantly over and over again talk out of turn.

Empiree:
You dont make sense. I said it before and will say it again that Christianity is paganism brought by Paul from Rome. You can see clearly from Hebrew 6:1 that christianity (Paul religion) has nothing to do with Jesus (Islamic religion)

"So I had to treat you like babies and feed you milk. You could not take solid food, and you still cannot
(i.e. I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger. And you still aren’t ready,)"
- 1 Corinthians 3:2

"By now you should be teachers. Instead, you still need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word. You need milk, not solid food."
- Hebrews 5:12

Empiree, my beloved dear Muslim brother, friend and neighbour, with all due respect, it's being you, from the word, go, from the very beginning, who hasnt been making any sense. You keep missing something very significant there with Hebrew 6:1. You never have the intelligence to pick up that Apostle Paul is not pushing anyone to abandon Jesus' teachings, but rather Apostle Paul is saying something to the effect of: "when we were a child, we spoke as a child, we understood as a child, we thought as a child: but when we become a man, when we come of age, when we reach full successful development, when we go on to maturity, then it is of vital importance that we put away childish things and have no more use for childish ways." Now, what's my own, if it continually shows, you prefer getting your kicks and exercise by jumping to wrong conclusions instead of properly studying the Bible and from getting the facts right arrive at right conclusions. Smh.

Please, go through the pages of the Bible, back to back, and come tell us, if you do find the word Christianity in it mentioned and where you've found, the word Christianity is associated with Apostle Paul in it. You must just finished sniffing some hard substance, for you to start tagging Jesus, as Islamic religion

You are 1000% right my dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, that Christianity is paganism. It to tell the truth, was institutionalised by Constantine, and so is a Roman invention. It never and was not brought by Paul from Rome. As a matter of fact, the reverse is the case, because Apostle Paul actually went to Rome with the Gospel, whilst awaiting a trial before the Emperor, Nero. The truth of the matter, is that Jesus in a dream had told Paul, he Paul, will soon go to Rome to preach the Good News and testify of Him, just as he Paul, had done in Jerusalem (i.e. Acts 23:11)

"²⁴At this stage of Paul’s defense, Festus exclaimed in a loud voice, “You are insane, Paul! Your great learning is driving you to madness!”
²⁵But Paul answered, “I am not insane, most excellent Festus; I am speaking words of truth and sobriety.
²⁶For the king knows about these matters, and I can speak freely to him. I am confident that none of this has escaped his notice, because it was not done in a corner.
²⁷King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know you do.”
²⁸Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Can you persuade me in such a short time to become a Christian?”
²⁹“Short time or long,” Paul replied, “I wish to God that not only you but all who hear me this day may become what I am, except for these chains.”
³⁰Then the king and the governor rose, along with Bernice and those seated with them.
³¹On their way out, they said to one another, “This man has done nothing worthy of death or imprisonment.”
³²And Agrippa said to Festus, “This man could have been released if he had not appealed to Caesar.”"
- Acts 26:24-32

Christianity, is not a Paul religion nor has it anything to do, with the reinvented Jesus, you Muslim brothers and sisters have misintrepreted and reinterpreted in the Islamic religion, lol. The litmus test for whether Apostle Paul has anything to do with Christianity or being a Christian, is to go check out the above Acts 26:24-32 audience and opportunity he had with King Agrippa (i.e. a Jew) when on trial before Festus (i.e. a Roman) at Caesarea.

"²⁸ Agrippa sì wí fún Paulu pé, “Ǹjẹ́ ìwọ lérò pé ìwọ le fi àkókò díẹ̀ yìí sọ mí di Kristiani?”
²⁹ Paulu sì dáhùn wí pé, “Ní àkókò kúkúrú tàbí gígùn, mo gbàdúrà sí Ọlọ́run pé kí ó má ṣe ìwọ nìkan, ṣùgbọ́n kí gbogbo àwọn tí ó gbọ́ ọ̀rọ̀ mi lónìí pẹ̀lú lè di irú ènìyàn tí èmi jẹ́ láìsí ẹ̀wọ̀n wọ̀nyí.”"
- Ìṣe àwọn Aposteli 26 Bíbélì Mímọ́ Yorùbá: 28-29

Notice how Apostle Paul sidestepped the Acts 26:28 question and watch his full control of his mind and thoughts Acts 26:29 reply-answer, done in a few well-chosen words, that in a deliberate and intentional way, avoided the use of the word, Christian, lol.

MuttleyLaff:

"For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on his shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
(i.e. For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us. He shoulders responsibility and is called: Extraordinary Strategist, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace)"
- Isaiah 9:6

""Look! The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him Emmanuel," which means "God with us.""
- Matthew 1:23

So according Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is God. Jesus is God right?. Oya, lets see bible dilemma again.


Jesus called servant of God


“For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.” Acts 3:26



"Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." John 13:16



Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3



Jesus A Prophet


The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee." Matthew 21:11


The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. John 4:19


When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. Matthew 21:46


Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world." John 6:14


Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, "This certainly is the Prophet."
John 7:40



So they said to the blind man again, "What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?" And he said, "He is a prophet." John 9:17


So how is a prophet Almighty God. Your bible is full of confusions. It is the reason you are confused. Peace out

Empiree:
So according
Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is God. Jesus is God right?. Oya, lets see bible dilemma again.
Jesus called servant of God
“For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.” Acts 3:26

"Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." John 13:16

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3

Jesus A Prophet

The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee." Matthew 21:11

The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. John 4:19

When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. Matthew 21:46

Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world." John 6:14

Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, "This certainly is the Prophet."
John 7:40

So they said to the blind man again, "What do you say about Him, since He opened your eyes?" And he said, "He is a prophet." John 9:17

So how is a prophet Almighty God. Your bible is full of confusions. It is the reason you are confused. Peace out

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So what, if Jesus is called servant of God. Pftt. Smh. God, is a servant in a servant of God, an angel in an angel, a stone in a stone, a straw in a straw, an etcetera in an etcetera

My beloved dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, I'll be honest, sincere and truthful to you, even if others wont, please take it from me, you're not cut out for any and all of this. You seriously need to, pack up all in, jack everything away and call it a day. You will never succeed in any of this. It is not a curse, but its about the truth that you are venturing into little-known waters. You are wading towards water too deep for you to stand in you and you are already out of your depth currently even as it is. All this chain yanking and pulling you're doing, is beyond your capabilities.

Now, I am going to cut to the bone and straightaway without any ceremony or wasting time come straight to the point, by asking you these few simple, easy, direct straightforward questions:
1/ What, in two to three sentences, is the meaning to your understanding, of the word incarnation, lol?
2/ Do you think and believe, that it is not within God's power to concurrently exist in heaven and for say, 33¹₂ years, at the same time, also exist on earth, lol?
3/ Do you think and believe, it is beyond God's power/ability/capability, that it is beyond God's technical know how to pull something like that successfully off or through, lol, hmm?
4/ Do you believe nothing is beyond God and that's because, it is the essence of the meaning of His, "I AM, that, I AM", name, hmm, lol?

MuttleyLaff:
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So what, if Jesus is called servant of God. Pftt. Smh. God, is a servant in a servant of God, an angel in an angel, a stone in a stone, a straw in a straw, an etcetera in an etcetera

My beloved dear Muslim brother friend Em.piree, I'll be honest, sincere and truthful to you, even if others wont, please take it from me, you're not cut out for any and all of this. You seriously need to, pack up all in, jack everything away and call it a day. You will never succeed in any of this. It is not a curse, but its about the truth that you are venturing into little-known waters. You are wading towards water too deep for you to stand in you and you are already out of your depth currently even as it is. All this chain yanking and pulling you're doing, is beyond your capabilities.

Now, I am going to cut to the bone and straightaway without any ceremony or wasting time come straight to the point, by asking you these few simple, easy, direct straightforward questions:
1/ What, in two to three sentences, is the meaning to your understanding, of the word incarnation, lol?
2/ Do you think and believe, that it is not within God's power to concurrently exist in heaven and for say, 33¹₂ years, at the same time, also exist on earth, lol?
3/ Do you think and believe, it is beyond God's power/ability/capability, that it is beyond God's technical know how to pull something like that successfully off or through, lol, hmm?
4/ Do you believe nothing is beyond God and that's because, it is the essence of the meaning of His, I AM I AM, name, hmm, lol?

EMPTY... You better repent from this evil Creed of yours. It is clear that your belief is crooked.

Quran says


O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus was only a messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God.

Qur'an 4 verse 171


If your faith is straightforward you would not be talking incarnation. What time heck in the world you reduced God to man incarnation?. O my Lord, Paul had done lots of damages to your brains.

Besides, their are CHRISTIANs who don't believe in jargons you have been posting. You could see below that Unitarian Christianity don't believe in your evil Creed yet you all claimed to read the same Book.

They see you as keferi

MuttleyLaff:
[M[/i]", name, hmm, lol?

Interestingly, King James Bible that many CHRISTIANs hold the most standard of all Bible versions was condenmed by Revised Standard Version. This extract is from the preface of RSV

http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html

MuttleyLaff:

"For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on his shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
(i.e. For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us. He shoulders responsibility and is called: Extraordinary Strategist, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace)"
- Isaiah 9:6

""Look! The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him Emmanuel," which means "God with us.""
- Matthew 1:23

This verse is not a prophecy because the verse said a child IS GIVEN unto us. which means the child is already with them. so that is not a prophecy. if it is to be a prophecy then the verse will go as follows :"A CHILD SHALL BE GIVEN UNTO US".

Anyways, lets see if you have problem with this ustaz Yusuf Adepoju too. Swallow your pride and renounce christianity


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWqHfF1TL6Q

Empiree:
EMPTY... You better repent from this evil Creed of yours. It is clear that your belief is crooked.
Quran says
O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus was only a messenger of God, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God.
Qur'an 4 verse 171

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Look at you trying to teach big momma how to suck egg, lol.

You know, I give it to the Quran sometimes because it does advises you my Muslim brothers and sister a little bit of potent home truths. You see brother, lol, I am always ahead of you. Without trying to sound conceited, please trust me brother, in terms of spiritual development or bible knowledge success, I am light years ahead of you.

Empiree:
If your faith is straightforward you would not be talking incarnation. What time heck in the world you reduced God to man incarnation?. O my Lord, Paul had done lots of damages to your brains.

My beloved dear Muslim brother friend Empiree, fyi, God is not just Omniscient, as in meaning, is All-knowing. Knowing everything and knows everything. God is not just Omnipotent, as in meaning, there is nothing beyond God's power/ability/capability, nothing is beyond God's technical know how to pull to successfully pull off or bring anything off, lol. God is not just Omnipresent, as in meaning, capable of being physically or not, present everywhere at the same time, lol, but God, most importantly is a purposeful God. He is is not a purposeless Being. If, according to the rules and/or principles, Him Himself from the beginning laid down, it requires God to incarnate, then incarnate gladly God will do and did do, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
This is the beauty of breaking bread and sharing it in opened topics like as this one. Interlocutors bring along food, you eat with them on the table, chew the food but making sure not to swallow the bones but to spit them out, lol

Empiree, my position, is God is not a "not-known-number" of person(s). God, as a matter of fact then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God, rather, is infinite or infinity and not trinity, lol.

God, is a force, an influence beyond scientific understanding lol, someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is a supernatural being, someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box. It explains why God in His infinite wisdom didnt allow the the word trinity to be printed black and white kokoro out in the Bible, lol

Now going to what you referenced and about the point made by (moniker edited out) when he laid bare Matthew 24:36. Well, you've likely, often heard it said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God, can send Himself on an errand, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ because God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him

Christ cannot share the same body with God the father, because God is formless. God has no clear definite shape or size. Jesus Christ is the product of God projecting Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. Why does Jesus Christ need to be a human being on earth?. Fundamentally, it is because one needs a human body to lawfully and have a permitted way to legally operate on earth. God is not going to be a law breaker and be breaking Genesis 1:26-28

Now, though Jesus is God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, God's Son, which means, it is a guarantee and not rocket science, that fathers will always know things that sons will have no idea or knowledge of. This isnt news anymore

I have already predicted an impetuous response like this from you, so just save it. OK? I have Empiree, as you can see from the above quotation, taken from a post on another thread, that I have read it all before, so dont bother trying it here because all this your baseless and/or false trinitarian accusation will not wash. You frankly and simply are again, no prize for guessing, lol, barking up the wrong tree, lol

Now, it seems you want to hear word ni, abi, hmm? Well no problem, your wish is my command, as you've come to the right person, who will give that earful of word, you so seriously want to hear. OK? Now, Empiree, let's start with, what is frightening you from answering those four simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions, erhn? Are you scared wind will blow wide open your perky soft yansh ni, if you should, lol. Ah peele, ndo, but just know that the truth you hide from the truth you run away from, sooner or later will find its way to back to discomfortably haunt you, lol. To get a sense of this, why not try holding $hit in, say for 3 days long and with a straight face of no going to the toilet, to know what I am talking of here, lol.

Empiree:
Besides, their are CHRISTIANs who don't believe in jargons you have been posting. You could see below that Unitarian Christianity don't believe in your evil Creed yet you all claimed to read the same Book.
They see you as keferi

There you go again, barking up and at the wrong tree. Whats my own with Unitarian Christian, huh? It is a free freedom world, lol. They are permitted to believe whatever they believe, just as much as you too, have the right to be believe in Islam

Its disheartening that upon all the schooling you've freely gotten from me, you still havent yet picked on that there is no denomination in the kingdom of Heaven. You still have no idea that God is denomination agnostic, lol

Empiree:
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Interestingly, King James Bible that many CHRISTIANs hold the most standard of all Bible versions was condenmed by Revised Standard Version. This extract is from the preface of RSV

h ttp:// www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html

MuttleyLaff:
Nwanne you brought me over here by your spamming chronic appeal plastered all over the Religion forum, urging all and sundry, to come visit this thread.

Hmm, defective and elementary you typed? Those that leave in glass houses, shouldnt be throwing stones. Empiree, Nwanne, Christianity, never started in any upper room on any day of Pentencost. Christianity, as in, Constantine Christianity, in cahoot with the "church" started in Rome.

"I was circumcised when I was eight days old.
I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin
—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law."
- Philippians 3:5

"Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said,"
- Acts 13:9

Also Paul, was not as you put it, formerly Saul, this is because Saul and Paul were both already existing names he was known by. As a matter of fact, Saul was his Hebrew name, whilst Paul was his Roman name.

Paul had dual citizenship, he was both Roman and Jewish. He after the Acts 13:9 experience, stuck to using his Roman Paul name, for obvious reasons of the the work ahead and terrain he will be working

I am currently at page 6 since steadily reading from the beginning, but needed to interrupt my reading, in order to quickly interject immediately, as like above and at this point and right here, to say that, legendary'mega is right, in what and where, he typed that the catholic started Christianity, this so, because the Roman Catholic Church was formed, after shady deal(s) and/or sell-out to the State by the "Church", as it was the Roman Emperors Constantine's and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all, as in, this was a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire, and so paved the way for Christianity to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire too.

The introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences was a tragic compromise by the early believers, as this resulted in the Romanization and paganization of the early believers' faith and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs as we not just know but celebrate then and celebrate even up until now.

Anyway, the Roman Empire, adopted the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) as "official" church during Roman Emperor Constantine's reign, and it's worth noting, that, the supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy or pope) was set up, put into place, aided and abetted through the support of the Roman Emperors (i.e. notably Constantine and his successors)

Recall that I earlier mentioned the Edict of Milan in AD 313, which was a letter signed by the Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius, that proclaimed religious toleration in the Roman Empire, well, in AD 325, Constantine called the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose, like for example Arianism, all about doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D and so Constantine presided over this first ecumenical church council

So quick recap, by the 1st century AD, ekklēsia birthed on the teachings of Jesus Christ and later founded on the day of Pentecost in the upper room with a bunch of 120 believers.

By the 2nd century AD - believers already denouncing teachings, seen as heresies, such as Gnosticism, Montanism etcetera.

In the 4th century AD - ekklēsia was transformed, emerged Christians, an evolved "church", finally gets legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I, as the state church, of the Roman Empire and so yes also that, legendarymega is right, that the Catholics, are the original owner of your bible, because truly, the RCC are the original owner of your bible version(s), because incidentally and truly, those versions were made off the back of "The Vulgate", which was an accepted Latin translation of the original Old and New Testament texts.

Some even called, "The Vulgate", the "The Vulgar" bible. Anyway, Jerome, of RCC, was the person, who translated the original Old and New Testament texts and compiled them into a single volume of the 66 books we have and/or enjoy today

Are you kidding me with this?!. Fyi, in past submissions, I have posted about translators, the politics, their ulterior motives and hidden agenda behind individual bible translations. One of your major problems, is you just keep on ignoring the fact that the Quran piggybacks on the Bible sha, hmm, lol

Even RSV, this your poster boy translation Bible too, just like the KJV is not 100% free of translation errors, whatnots and etcetera, lol. Let him with no sin, cast the first stone.

Talo ni trailer yi, to nyi lọ. You are slow, poor, lazy, dull and lag behind in receiving knowledge. Smh. You are not the sharpest tool in the box. "O kan nrokoroko lasanlasan danu ati sọnu de idi ọsa, o yẹ ki wọn ti gba ọkọ ati ada lọwọn ẹ lati ana ni, mtcheew", loosely translated means, "you're mowing the garden lawn and cutting the field grass right on to the lagoon, you should have been relieved of the mower, cutlass and hoe since God knows when, mtcheew"

Let me tell you something, let me tell you whats going on in here. "Oju ogun le. Ẹni ba bo ọgẹdẹ, o di dandan, ko jẹ ni, lol." You pointed and tried poke me in the eye. The warfront is real. When you peel off the banana skin, it's a must you be ready to eat it, lol.

All you are good at, is making noise. Just from the quote of mine up above there, you should have realised that all the red herrings you put up against me, wouldnt work and cant work on me. Kolewerk. I am light years ahead of you brother.

MuttleyLaff:
Are you kidding me with this?!.

You are empty jare. I have exposed you and your creed. Please repent and dump christianity. See how you shamefully undermined unitarian christianity. smh. Unitarian christianity is very minute in the world today but there is possibility that Allah may forgive them bcus they recognized God is separate and Superior to Jesus. They recognize God as the Supreme Authority but they are as well guilty of saying "Jesus is son of God". But they dont believe he is Divine as you have seen in their creed attached to the post. Trinitarian christianity on the contrary are the majority which means if you die in this belief of yours you stand no chance of smelling fragrance of Paradise or Heavens as you called it. So what we have discussed here will be hujjah against you in the Hereafter. I have done my part.

I invite you to Islam, the religion of Jesus the son of Mary, messanger of Allah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hABdZQQCX8I

Empiree:
You are empty jare.

Mo ti wẹ okun, mo ti wẹ osa. Ọmọ, jọọ ma fi oju dimi, anyway iwọ na kuku mọ ẹniti o ni nah, lol loosely translated, literaly means "I've swam the Atlantic Ocean, I swam the Lagoon, please dont underestimate me, well you yourself know me and my champion swimmer quality"

Empiree:
I have exposed you and your creed.

Aw, pẹẹlẹ ndo, oma se oo, that you have a false and/or misleading impression of reality, smh.

Empiree:
Please repent and dump christianity.

You're preaching to the choirmaster, lol.

Empiree:
See how you shamefully undermined unitarian christianity. smh. Unitarian christianity is very minute in the world today but there is possibility that Allah may forgive them bcus they recognized God is separate and Superior to Jesus. They recognize God as the Supreme Authority but they are as well guilty of saying "Jesus is son of God". But they dont believe he is Divine as you have seen in their creed attached to the post.

Empiree, my beloved Muslim brother friend here are another set of simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions for you
1/ Do you have the ability to read your fellow man's minds?
2/ Who to your knowledge has the power and/or ability to know about every thought going on in your mind?

Empiree:
Trinitarian christianity on the contrary are the majority which means if you die in this belief of yours you stand no chances of smelling fragrance of Paradise or Heavens as you called it. So what we have discussed here will be hujjah against you in the Hereafter. I have done my part.

You have done your part of smelling the gust of wind from Satan's anus

Empiree:
I invite you to Islam, the religion of Jesus the son of Mary, messanger of Allah.

Invite yourself into the body of Christ

Empiree:
h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hABdZQQCX8I

You've attached too much importance to a YouTube video that is flawed on many fronts and is riddled with false and inaccurate information, especially and deliberately intended to mislead with. There are too much to mention, more holes than in a swiss cheese in the warped or twisted YouTube video. Mtcheew.

MuttleyLaff:
Mo ti wẹ okun, mo ti wẹ osa. Ọmọ, jọọ ma fi oju dimi, anyway iwọ na kuku mọ ẹniti o ni nah, lol loosely translated, literaly means "I[i]'ve swam the Atlantic Ocean, I swam the Lagoon, please dont underestimate me, well you youself know me and my champion swimmer quality[/i]"

Self aggrandizing. Empty chest beater

Empiree:
Self aggrandizing. Empty chest beater

What a lovely gorilla picture. Hope not a long lost cousin or anything of the sort, sha, lol. Some classify these are cousins, believing they descended from them

It is no self aggrandizing, no empty chest beater, you know yourself nah, that here, in the western part of the country, is a colloquial, that says: "Ti ogun ẹni, ba daniloju, a maa jẹnlẹngẹ, fi gba ori" which when loosely translated means: "when you have confidence in your juju/jazz charm, you can gently knack it and also safely smack it on your head, without being at any disadvantage at all, and this because you've everything under control and 10000% sure of the potency, veracity and accuracy of the juju/jazz charm," lol. When it comes to theology, except you repent, I'll continually beat you hands down. You'll keep coming back, and I'll keep beat the ignorance(s) out from you until you see the light and are free of the darkness and its falsehoods, lol.