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Neroiam:
Why did Jesus speak at the tomb of Lazarus when God can see his mind?

Voice out what you want to see

Thought Jesus was the God .

there no vrs in the Bible that indicates Jesus speaks in tongues.

DavidEsq:
Where the disciples speaking in tongues when they got the baptism of the holy spirit on the Pentecost day?

Yes they did.. Please do read the book of Acts chapter 2

African Christians refuse to understand that the Bible is a compilation of several books, with no great deal of evidence but rather dogmatic, written by several authors. This is why there are some degrees of contradicting verses ..but that's that.
They refuse to understand because they are very lazy to read and reason. But when one reads the Bible very well, he/she will discover many questionable circumstances.
And hey before you start saying this is blasphemy, remember God didn't create religion. Humans did. And it's far from saving the world.

wildlife9999:
there no vrs in the Bible that indicates Jesus speaks in tongues.

The promise of the Holy Spirit was as a result of the departure of Jesus from earth. He said and I will send you a comforter who is the Holy Spirit

Beautiful words

called2Bsaint:
20 Points We Can Glean from 1Corinthians 14 About Speaking in Tongues in the Church are listed below:

Point #1 (Verse 1) Prophesying is preferable because it is charitable, unlike speaking in tongues, which no man in the church understands.





Point #2 (Verse 2) By speaking in an unknown tongue you do not to speak to men, but unto God: because no man understands what you are speaking, even though you're speaking mysteries in the spirit.

Point #3 (Verses 3-4) Speaking in tongues in the church gathering is not useful to the church, because it only edifies the speaker; but the church cannot understand the words of the tongue or language. But prophesying edifies the church because through it we can speak unto men for their edification, exhortation, and comfort. The church gathering is not for speaking to God alone, but also for speaking to one another (Ephesians 5:19). Therefore, to speak to God alone and not to men in the gathering of saints shows lack of spiritual order. If when we come together in fellowship we turn our backs against ourselves to speak to God alone, we abuse the purpose of corporate worship. If we must speak alone to God, it should be in our private worship, as our Lord has taught us in Matthew 6:5 and 6.

Point #4 (Verse 5) Paul preferred that all the church would rather prophesy than to speak in unknown tongues, because speaking with tongues is less than prophesying, except it is accompanied by interpretation so that the church may receive edifying.

Point #5 (Verse 6) Speaking with tongues to men does not profit them, only speaking to them by revelation, knowledge, prophesying, or by doctrine that can edify them.

Point #6 (Verse 7) Even lifeless objects, such as pipe or harp, which produce sound are more useful or intelligible than speaking tongues that do not give a distinction in the sounds made to the ears of men.

Point #7 (Verse A degree of certainty and distinctiveness of meaning is required in every sound given in the church to build up, equip and perfect the saints for their spiritual life's battles.

Point #8 (Verse 9) You can utter by the tongue words easy to be understood; and except you do so you would be speaking into the air. Mark this term, "to speak into the air". It refers to the same exercise that is termed "to speak not unto men but to God", "to speak to yourself and to God". This is not a commendable exercise in the church gathering, where we come together to speak to one another, as well as to ourselves and God.

Point #9 (Verse 10) All the many kinds of tongues in the world are with signification or meanings. This is a clear evidence that Paul was not treating the voices or tongues of angels, as some would wish he was doing in this chapter.

Point #10 (Verse 11) Speaking in tongues to men who do not understand the tongues makes you a barbarian to them and them a barbarian to you.

Point #11 (Verse 12-13) The zeal for spiritual gifts is insufficient for the church gathering, except it seeks to excel in edifying the church. Therefore the person that speaks in an unknown tongue should pray that he may interpret.

Point #12 (Verse 14-17) When you pray in an unknown tongue in the church meeting, your spirit prays, but your understanding bears no fruit to the church; thus they will not be able to say "Amen" to what they do not understand, even though you do give thanks well in the language you employ. To solve this problem you have to make sure that your understanding bears fruit to the church while your spirit is praying to God.

Point #13 (Verse 18-19) Paul spoke with tongues more than all the Corinthians; thus it is clear that he was not rebuking them because he was unable to speak in tongues. Speaking in tongues more than them could either be quantitatively or qualitatively; whichever it was, Paul was discrete enough to rather speak five words that could be understood in the church, so that he might teach others also with his speech, than to employ ten thousand words in an unknown tongue that they would not understand.

Point #14 (Verse 20-22) Many Brethren are children in the understanding of this matter of tongues because they fail to understand that tongues are for a sign, not to believers, but to unbelievers; whereas, prophesying is not for the unbelievers, but for the believers. This point should shame those who push for tongues as a prayer language for believers.

Point #15 (Verse 23-25) If all the speakers in the church speak with tongues, and there are any unlearned persons, or unbelievers there, they will say that the congregation is full of mad men. But if every speaker prophesies or preaches the gospel by the power of the Holy Spirit, the unbeliever will be convicted and judged by all of them, through their preaching; and the secrets of the heart of the unsaved are thus made manifest by the plainness of the anointed preaching; so that he falls down on his face and worships God, and reports that God is in the church of a truth!

Point #16 (Verse 26) Every spiritual activity in the meetings of the saints should be done unto edifying of all.

Point #17 (Verse 27-28) Speaking in an unknown tongue in the church should be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let the person who intends to speak in tongues KEEP SILENCE in the church; and speak to himself, and to God. Speaking to himself and to God in the church should not be to the hearing of men otherwise he would be disobeying the instruction to keep silence. This is a clear prohibition of speaking unknown tongues in the church without interpretation.

Point #18 (Verse 29) The prophets are to speak by two or three, just like the speakers of unknown tongues, and the other is to judge the prophecy. This includes the interpretation of tongues, which is placed on equal rank with prophesying.

Point #19 (Verse 30-33, 40) Orderliness should be maintained in Christian meetings.

Point #20 (Verse 39-40) We should covet or desire strongly for the gift of prophesying, and not forbid to speak with tongues, provided it obeys the conditions already given in this chapter, in order to maintain orderliness and decency in the church gatherings.

lade007:
Yes they did.. Please do read the book of Acts chapter 2

It's a good thing u have read it too. Now that tongues the disciples where speaking in was understood to be the native languages under heaven. In fact the languages were identified as:
Parʹthi·ans, Medes, and Eʹlam·ites, the inhabitants of Mes·o·po·taʹmi·a, Ju·deʹa and Cap·pa·doʹci·a, Ponʹtus and the province of Asia, 10 Phrygʹi·a and Pam·phylʹi·a, Egypt and the regions of Libʹy·a near Cy·reʹne, sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Creʹtans, and Arabians—? Is this true? Pls kindly answer if it is true.

luvinhubby:
Summary :

Speak in tongues more in your private devotion and speak or prophecy in understanding publicly in the church.

I think your point is valid, I agree with you.

DropsMic:
Believe this or not.. But if he speaks in tongues, he is a fake pastor.... Also if you speak in tongues, you are only deceiving yourself..

That's just the painful fact..
If you believe otherwise then you are lost..

In Nigeria People only speak in tongues for one reason only... So people see them as "highly spiritual"... Which here is all you need to scam gullible church goers.

If you think I'm lying monitor your pastors tongues. You go see pattern

you are a canal being

see bible is the tora can be written and can be erased. any book written by pen is tora

lastchild:
you are a canal being

And you are a lost soul

Let's say it as it is.

Nigerian Christians and several others like them all over the world don't know what the bible actually meant by "speaking in tongues".

Don't blame them. You see, many of them are simply daft and can't read and comprehend stuff.

Truth is, in that part of the bible, the disciples were speaking actual languages that could be interpreted by all standing around. The disciples were not actually babbling...

But these days, some clowns just babble on end and end and say that they are "speaking in tongues" when in reality, they are no different from toddlers learning how to speak.

And much as I am not a "minister", I can also tell you for free that the real reason that disciples spoke in tongues was not to "confuse the devil" as you raggamuffin preachers like to delude your members into believing.

The disciples speaking in tongues actually had a deeper meaning that only a discerning mind could or can understand or interprete properly.

Their speaking in tongues[tongues here, meaning different languages] actually meant that the message of the new faith or creed was for all men- if possible- regardless of tongue or language. It was to symbolize the fact that what they were teaching or propagating would transcend its immediate environment at that point in time and go on to enjoy global appeal.

The disciples didn't have the "devil" in mind at that point in time.

Y'all need to learn to interpret stuff properly and stop deceiving people. #NoTeachMeNonsense

wildlife9999:
there no vrs in the Bible that indicates Jesus speaks in tongues.

Nobody has ever spoken in tongues before Jesus was born, nobody spoke in tongues when Jesus was on earth, this tongues of thing was after Jesus death... the purpose of tongues was to preach to foreigners in their own language.

DavidEsq:
It's a good thing u have read it too. Now that tongues the disciples where speaking in was understood to be the native languages under heaven. In fact the languages were identified as:
Parʹthi·ans, Medes, and Eʹlam·ites, the inhabitants of Mes·o·po·taʹmi·a, Ju·deʹa and Cap·pa·doʹci·a, Ponʹtus and the province of Asia, 10 Phrygʹi·a and Pam·phylʹi·a, Egypt and the regions of Libʹy·a near Cy·reʹne, sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Creʹtans, and Arabians—? Is this true? Pls kindly answer if it is true.

Great that you understand that they spoke in other tongues... Do you know that speaking in tongues can either be the languages of men or that of angels? Please read 1st Corinthians 13:1. Maybe you also want to get some understanding from 1 Corinthians 12.

called2Bsaint:
20 Points We Can Glean from 1Corinthians 14 About Speaking in Tongues in the Church are listed below:

Point #1 (Verse 1) Prophesying is preferable because it is charitable, unlike speaking in tongues, which no man in the church understands.

Point #2 (Verse 2) By speaking in an unknown tongue you do not to speak to men, but unto God: because no man understands what you are speaking, even though you're speaking mysteries in the spirit.

Point #3 (Verses 3-4) Speaking in tongues in the church gathering is not useful to the church, because it only edifies the speaker; but the church cannot understand the words of the tongue or language. But prophesying edifies the church because through it we can speak unto men for their edification, exhortation, and comfort. The church gathering is not for speaking to God alone, but also for speaking to one another (Ephesians 5:19). Therefore, to speak to God alone and not to men in the gathering of saints shows lack of spiritual order. If when we come together in fellowship we turn our backs against ourselves to speak to God alone, we abuse the purpose of corporate worship. If we must speak alone to God, it should be in our private worship, as our Lord has taught us in Matthew 6:5 and 6.

Point #4 (Verse 5) Paul preferred that all the church would rather prophesy than to speak in unknown tongues, because speaking with tongues is less than prophesying, except it is accompanied by interpretation so that the church may receive edifying.

Point #5 (Verse 6) Speaking with tongues to men does not profit them, only speaking to them by revelation, knowledge, prophesying, or by doctrine that can edify them.

Point #6 (Verse 7) Even lifeless objects, such as pipe or harp, which produce sound are more useful or intelligible than speaking tongues that do not give a distinction in the sounds made to the ears of men.

Point #7 (Verse A degree of certainty and distinctiveness of meaning is required in every sound given in the church to build up, equip and perfect the saints for their spiritual life's battles.

Point #8 (Verse 9) You can utter by the tongue words easy to be understood; and except you do so you would be speaking into the air. Mark this term, "to speak into the air". It refers to the same exercise that is termed "to speak not unto men but to God", "to speak to yourself and to God". This is not a commendable exercise in the church gathering, where we come together to speak to one another, as well as to ourselves and God.

Point #9 (Verse 10) All the many kinds of tongues in the world are with signification or meanings. This is a clear evidence that Paul was not treating the voices or tongues of angels, as some would wish he was doing in this chapter.

Point #10 (Verse 11) Speaking in tongues to men who do not understand the tongues makes you a barbarian to them and them a barbarian to you.

Point #11 (Verse 12-13) The zeal for spiritual gifts is insufficient for the church gathering, except it seeks to excel in edifying the church. Therefore the person that speaks in an unknown tongue should pray that he may interpret.

Point #12 (Verse 14-17) When you pray in an unknown tongue in the church meeting, your spirit prays, but your understanding bears no fruit to the church; thus they will not be able to say "Amen" to what they do not understand, even though you do give thanks well in the language you employ. To solve this problem you have to make sure that your understanding bears fruit to the church while your spirit is praying to God.

Point #13 (Verse 18-19) Paul spoke with tongues more than all the Corinthians; thus it is clear that he was not rebuking them because he was unable to speak in tongues. Speaking in tongues more than them could either be quantitatively or qualitatively; whichever it was, Paul was discrete enough to rather speak five words that could be understood in the church, so that he might teach others also with his speech, than to employ ten thousand words in an unknown tongue that they would not understand.

Point #14 (Verse 20-22) Many Brethren are children in the understanding of this matter of tongues because they fail to understand that tongues are for a sign, not to believers, but to unbelievers; whereas, prophesying is not for the unbelievers, but for the believers. This point should shame those who push for tongues as a prayer language for believers.

Point #15 (Verse 23-25) If all the speakers in the church speak with tongues, and there are any unlearned persons, or unbelievers there, they will say that the congregation is full of mad men. But if every speaker prophesies or preaches the gospel by the power of the Holy Spirit, the unbeliever will be convicted and judged by all of them, through their preaching; and the secrets of the heart of the unsaved are thus made manifest by the plainness of the anointed preaching; so that he falls down on his face and worships God, and reports that God is in the church of a truth!

Point #16 (Verse 26) Every spiritual activity in the meetings of the saints should be done unto edifying of all.

Point #17 (Verse 27-28) Speaking in an unknown tongue in the church should be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let the person who intends to speak in tongues KEEP SILENCE in the church; and speak to himself, and to God. Speaking to himself and to God in the church should not be to the hearing of men otherwise he would be disobeying the instruction to keep silence. This is a clear prohibition of speaking unknown tongues in the church without interpretation.

Point #18 (Verse 29) The prophets are to speak by two or three, just like the speakers of unknown tongues, and the other is to judge the prophecy. This includes the interpretation of tongues, which is placed on equal rank with prophesying.

Point #19 (Verse 30-33, 40) Orderliness should be maintained in Christian meetings.

Point #20 (Verse 39-40) We should covet or desire strongly for the gift of prophesying, and not forbid to speak with tongues, provided it obeys the conditions already given in this chapter, in order to maintain orderliness and decency in the church gatherings.

Bababa eduududud eraba chadodo ekusame Rena varodado ere ere sita manu bara bara ebara

Speaking in tongues is simply speaking in a language one has not learned. With the gift of the Holy Spirit, you can speak in an unknown tongue(language). How ever, if there’s no one there who can understand the language spoken, it’s like you are speaking into the air.
That’s why the apostles, having been commissioned to go preach the gospel to the ends of the earth, though were originally Jews and could speak just one language, could speak other tongues (earthly human language) of other tribes of the different ethnic groups who had gone to attend the festival in Jerusalem at the time. Hence the people heard the apostles speaking in their own respective native languages. This is evidenced here in (acts 2:5-12)
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”
Review this and compare to our so called modern day speaking in tongues.

iammo:



Black men don't read and that's the problem.. without any doubt I can say 80% of Nigerian Christian haven't completely read the whole 1200 pages of the bible and reflected on what they read, they simply read few verses and get explanation whichever pastor gives them.. Nigerian Christianity is about what thy pastor said and not what thy bible said


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And how does that relate to this thread?
OP showed us scriptural reference to speaking in tongues and it's significance to the believer and the church.

pressplay411:
And how does that relate to this thread?
OP showed us scriptural reference to speaking in tongues and it's significance to the believer and the church.

if you had studied your own bible you wouldn't had needed an o.p or a pastor to just inform you of information you carry around in your own bible

lade007:
Great that you understand that they spoke in other tongues... Do you know that speaking in tongues can either be the languages of men or that of angels? Please read 1st Corinthians 13:1. Maybe you also want to get some understanding from 1 Corinthians 12.

Let's take it step by step. U wouldn't wanna feed a baby like me and any other five spoonfuls at a time. It's one spoon at a time. It is true, that the tongues was identified as an earthly language right? Do u agree? Let's take that first. Isnor a fight

iammo:
if you had studied your own bible you wouldn't had needed an o.p or a pastor to just inform you of information you carry around in your own bible

May be if you stayed within context, your points will be well received.
True, the problem of most believers is lack of personal time with God, His Word and a relationship with the Holy spirit rather than just swallowing hook line and sinker every thing their pastors preach to them, even when it has been tainted with the pastor's personal motives.
The Bereans are a typical example in the scriptures. Even the Apostle Paul's teachings were verified before they accepted them.

I was just wondering what you were driving at.

DavidEsq:
Where the disciples speaking in tongues when they got the baptism of the holy spirit on the Pentecost day?

the tongues they spoke were foreign languages that other people could understand in furtherance of the Great Commission.

DropsMic:
Believe this or not.. But if he speaks in tongues, he is a fake pastor.... Also if you speak in tongues, you are only deceiving yourself..

That's just the painful fact..
If you believe otherwise then you are lost..

In Nigeria People only speak in tongues for one reason only... So people see them as "highly spiritual"... Which here is all you need to scam gullible church goers.

If you think I'm lying monitor your pastors tongues. You go see pattern

I totally disagree with you!
If u have problem with Pastors, that's ur issues to solve.
The Bible says he that speaks in an unknown tongue speak not unto men, but God.
If u don't believe in speaking in tongues that doesn't mean u shud talk anyhow about it. I speak in tongues nd I know I communicate with God.
Since u hate it, u now start monitoring ur pastors tongue, u see that u don't know what u go to church to do.

blackjack21:
Thought Jesus was the God .

God is a class of three beings. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Tobechuckwu:
I totally disagree with you!
If u have problem with Pastors, that's ur issues to solve.
The Bible says he that speaks in an unknown tongue speak not unto men, but God.

Stop deceiving yourself... Same Bible also said


10. Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
11. If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me.
12. So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.
13. For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says.


Again... Stop deceiving yourself

Firstly , You are biased because Paul explained in 1 Corinthians 14 vs 15 , that the right thing to do is to pray in tongues and also in understanding , which is what I see almost everyone doing .. but you skipped that part..Secondly , the person who did this write up has no spiritual understanding , you just read the Bible like a novel which is naive ... Lastly , even apostle Paul that you just spoke about couldn’t even preach the Gospel publicly until he started speaking in tongues because he got filled with the Holy Spirit .. He literally had to wait till he could speak in tongues , read your bible without sentiments please ... And stop lying to yourself because you want to believe something is true ... The people speaking in tongues have nothing to loose , but if you not, your spirit stays dumb(can’t talk) just your flesh talking ... and we are spirit beings ..the Bible makes us understand that speaking in tongues is a spiritual language ..And If you not spiritual , you don’t have the ability to understand sir ... Thankyou

luvinhubby:
That is not true. I speak in tongues and am not a fake minister.

Within your congregation or privacy with God?
If with congregation who interpret for the church to understand?
If with privacy with God that's between you and him

wildlife9999:
there no vrs in the Bible that indicates Jesus speaks in tongues.

Jesus didn't speak in tongues because it's an evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost nd it's meant for Christian.
If u study ur Bible very well, u will know that there was no Christain until the death nd resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christianity started after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He's the first begotten of the death.

slickbak:
the tongues they spoke were foreign languages that other people could understand in furtherance of the Great Commission.

Do u understand that there was a need for those foreign languages to be spoken? In verse 5 of Acts 2, there were Jews from every nation under the earth at Jerusalem at that time, who spoke those different languages. Jesus Christ stated that the disciples would be witnesses of him in Jerusalem, Judea and the most distant part of the earth. How would they do that if they didn't speak the languages of the distant parts of the earth? In verse 37, of Acts 2, says that upon hearing what Peter spoke about, they were cut to the heart. It is a very known fact that the language of the heart is the language a person speaks and understands effortlessly and u can easily reach a person's heart with his native language. Do u think that Peter spoke to them in the language of the Galileans or their own native languages which they heard? What of Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch, who spoke a different language? If u watch Game of thrones, u would realise that at a time before widespread civilization, if a person speaks a language beside his native language, he attracts attention, respect and fear. It is those foreign languages that was spoken that was the means Peter used to speak with thise foreigners, that 3000 ppl were added to the congregation. Tongues simply means "a miraculous ability to speak and understand a language foreign or unknown to the speaker".

mansakhalifa:
Let's say it as it is.

Nigerian Christians and several others like them all over the world don't know what the bible actually meant by "speaking in tongues".

Don't blame them. You see, many of them are simply daft and can't read and comprehend stuff.

Truth is, in that part of the bible, the disciples were speaking actual languages that could be interpreted by all standing around. The disciples were not actually babbling...

But these days, some clowns just babble on end and end and say that they are "speaking in tongues" when in reality, they are no different from toddlers learning how to speak.

And much as I am not a "minister", I can also tell you for free that the real reason that disciples spoke in tongues was not to "confuse the devil" as you raggamuffin preachers like to delude your members into believing.

The disciples speaking in tongues actually had a deeper meaning that only a discerning mind could or can understand or interprete properly.

Their speaking in tongues[tongues here, meaning different languages] actually meant that the message of the new faith or creed was for all men- if possible- regardless of tongue or language. It was to symbolize the fact that what they were teaching or propagating would transcend its immediate environment at that point in time and go on to enjoy global appeal.

The disciples didn't have the "devil" in mind at that point in time.

Y'all need to learn to interpret stuff properly and stop deceiving people. #NoTeachMeNonsense

If u read ur Bible very well, it was the Holy Ghost that gave the disciples utterance. In other words, he determined what they are to used it for. Then, Jesus Christ was crucified, they called all names nd was resurrected. What the Holy Spirit needed the disciples for was for boldness nd talked about Jesus as the Christ. Why the people understood them was for the Salvation of their soul and for them to know Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
Now, we Christian speak in tongues, the Bible says we speak to God.