What exactly was Gods plan for putting the forbidden fruit in the garden and also, was there no Angel that saw the Lucifer when it came?

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Hkk6969:
Really

Donald95:

Ladylite:

God put the tree in the garden because it was a tree that they were supposed to eat. But not at that time.

Temptation is simply what we naturally are meant to have or do or become prematurely given to us by the wrong means.


So the devil tempted them. If the devil didn't do that, they would still eat it later at God's instruction.


Premature satisfaction is the basis of the Satan's temptation

Donald95:


Even Jesus knows how hard this place is even after all the power manifestations of God in the old testament man still can't defeat devils defeat and that's why he sent Holy Spirit as a helper.

Then imagine Adam and Eve with innocent virgin minds vs Lucifer the Ancient tricky serpent that has been existing before man.

How exactly did you think Adam and Eve could have scaled through

Ladylite:


Adam and Eve had the same life that God had..... So why should they not scale through.

Read your Bible. Even ate the fruit and nothing happened to her. It was when Adam ate that their eyes opened.


It's simple. For eve it was a temptation but for Adam it was a choice to betray God and disobey Him.
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Thats what the Bible says. So what do you think.


Remember Adam was right there when the serpent came to talk to Eve and Adam didn't rebuke or resist or even correct eve. He allowed it happen, he made his choice to deliberately disobey God.


So don't come here asking how they could have scaled through.... God does not get surprises, he knew what he put in them could overcome the devil easily but Adam chose to fall.

Donald95:


Adam was like God in physical structure and eternal life not in Wisdom. Ancient Serpent Satan is very deceitful and that's why Jesus sent down his holy spirit to help man out when he is gone. Imagine Adam and eve with no such Spirit and Guardian angel?

Nothing happened when Eve ate the apple because maybe she was not there when the instruction was given.

Donald95:

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Donald95:

Donald95:


Adam was like God in physical structure and eternal life not in Wisdom. Ancient Serpent Satan is very deceitful and that's why Jesus sent down his holy spirit to help man out when he is gone. Imagine Adam and eve with no such Spirit and Guardian angel?

Nothing happened when Eve ate the apple because maybe she was not there when the instruction was given.

Maximus69:


It wasn't a literal fruit, it simply means the decision to abandon God's guidance and turn away from him!

Eve first made the decision in Adam's absence and when Adam came she presented the idea, Adam welcomed the new development and their first decision was to alienate themselves from God as in making God a stranger to them!

That's why they told him "we are naked" meaning "we don't want you loitering around us anymore, we demand PRIVACY"

In the real sense, their eyes wasn't open to knowing better but worse things, you can imagine two creatures made by God telling him "we are naked" please what part of their body is not visible to the one who doesn't need eyes or a special lence to see all their private parts?

So in the real sense, Satan only succeeded in making them rebel against their owner so that he could take over from there, and ever since then Satan has become the ruler of Adam's descendants {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} except those who stubbornly refuse to succumb to his rule, and he's ready to make life miserable for such ones! Revelations 12:17

Of course Adam was older than Eve and he is the one God directly spoke to about the figurative fruit NOT Eve, it was Adam that passed on the information to Eve.

This same thing happened on a much more intense situation, while Satan has no power to inflict any pain on Adam and Eve because they were perfect, he had every power to inflict pain on imperfect descendants of Adam because they've become his slaves through sin!

So when he tempted Job (a faithful man) Job never gave in to Satan's baits, even when Job's wife asked him to "curse God" Job maintained his integrity IN PAINS!

Such faithful servants of God have beaten Satan hands down and proved that Adam decisively chose to become a rebel!

Thanks, God bless you!

Ladylite:

God put the tree in the garden because it was a tree that they were supposed to eat. But not at that time.

Temptation is simply what we naturally are meant to have or do or become prematurely given to us by the wrong means.


So the devil tempted them. If the devil didn't do that, they would still eat it later at God's instruction.


Premature satisfaction is the basis of the Satan's temptation

Ladylite:


See stop reading your mind in to the Bible. I already gave a scripture that clearly shows ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED.... If you can't accept that as wisdom then forget quoting me.

You just looking for empty chatter today.

So where was eve, see Eve was in Adam. And both of them were one. Eve was only a weaker vessel.

How dare you speak with such emptiness. Same Adam who named all creatures without God's help yet was accurate in naming them with the same name God had in mind.... Yet you say he was not wise? So when God breathed into him was the breath(spirit) foooolish?


Ogbeni if you don't know bible stop bringing empty logic up

FrLukas:


This escalated quickly.

Has it occurred to any of you that the story of the Garden of Eden did not happen literally like that?

After the Bible made us aware that the name Adam meant mankind and the name Eve, meant mother of mankind.

glowingflame7:
Is like asking why there is test or examination. Do teachers want us to fail? Or why is man born as a weak small baby in need of breast milk and immunisation?

Ladylite:





So don't come here asking how they could have scaled through.... God does not get surprises, he knew what he put in them could overcome the devil easily but Adam chose to fall.

Maximus69:


In the real sense, their eyes wasn't open to knowing better but worse things, you can imagine two creatures made by God telling him "we are naked" please what part of their body is not visible to the one who doesn't need eyes or a special lence to see all their private parts ?

Kenneth4u205:
blogger linda ikeji bought a car for her new born baby .the car is meant for the baby to use when he attend a certain age and goes through driving school .if the baby stupidly decide to use the car at the age of 7 without any driving experience,he Will end up killing himself in a car accident.that was what Satan does to Adam and eve .he gave them a knowledge that they are not yet mature enough to handle.God intend to give them that fruit when they have attend a certain level of maturity .You don't give a loaded gun to your 3 years old boy to play with as toy .he will end up killing everyone or himself.

kingxsamz:


Eh but God knew that putting Adam in that garden with the fruit was like putting a baby beside a loaded gun, so why didn't he prevent it?

Jozzy4



The mistake here is you are assuming because he has power to foresee the future means he uses it at all times. For your information Sir , he doesn't use such power when it comes to our freewill .

A case study of what happened at Genesis 23 shed light on this ..

He told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac his son to check if he is faithful to him , after passing the check ... Could you believe he told Abraham at verse that " NOW I KNOW that you are God fearing " emphasis on the Color part, If God used his power to foreknow Abraham's Choices , the Now I know would be an outright lie . But the scripture told us he can't lie. ( Titus 1:2) Hence that statement shows he doesn't use his power to over ride our freewill .

So yes he created them, but aspects of how an individual will use their freewill he chooses not to foreknow

Jozzy4:


Sir, Freewill can only be exercised where there are multiple choices ... So the tree there points to their ability to either obey their Creator or not. in the absence of that tree and command, they are robots

And Concerning if he knows, I gave a reply on this on your other thread about Satan.

Ladylite:
God put the tree in the garden because it was a tree that they were supposed to eat. But not at that time.

Temptation is simply what we naturally are meant to have or do or become prematurely given to us by the wrong means.

So the devil tempted them. If the devil didn't do that, they would still eat it later at God's instruction.

Premature satisfaction is the basis of the Satan's temptation

kingxsamz:
Quick question.
Did God know that Adam and Eve would fall for the temptation?

It's a yes or no answer.

Donald95:
Adam was like God in physical structure and eternal life not in Wisdom. Ancient Serpent Satan is very deceitful and that's why Jesus sent down His holy spirit to help man out when He is gone. Imagine Adam and Eve with no such Spirit and Guardian angel?

Nothing happened when Eve ate the apple because maybe she was not there when the instruction was given.

kingxsamz:
Quick question.
Did God know that Adam and Eve would fall for the temptation?

It's a yes or no answer.

MuttleyLaff:
Capital and resounding YES.

kingxsamz:
But your colleague @ Jozzy4 said God didn't know because He choose not to know, and here you are claiming He knew.

kingxsamz:
Is it just me, or are the both of you utterly confused and unsure of what you believe in?
Smh

MuttleyLaff:
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kingxsamz, we obviously don't see the scriptures with the same understanding in very major ways because most others and I understand scripture to the level of our submission to the Spirit of Truth. We understand scripture to how much we fill out to snuggly fit into the gift of the given out Holy Spirit. kingxsamz, we understand scripture according to the altitude of our individual and/or respective vantage points and/or the level/angle/direction/line of our perspective. Those two pictures I've pasted above, are worth more than twenty thousand words, lol.

kingxsamz:
Besides, if God knew, then God is at fault for not preventing it.

kingxsamz:
He knew, and still went ahead to test them, what for?
Smh...

Inteltower:


if what your intention is to point accusing fingers on God then you are a mad man
wasn't king Solomon wise yet what happened ?
wasn't it a heavenly wisdom from God himself
Adam although innocent was wise but as always got deceived by a the Godhead status Satan promised him like he did towards the angels he deceived

glowingflame7:
Is like asking why there is test or examination. Do teachers want us to fail? Or why is man born as a weak small baby in need of breast milk and immunisation?

kingxsamz:


God doesn't need eyes or special lens to see through one's unclothedness, but he was unable to tell if Adam and Eve would disobey him before creating them.
Smh

Maximus69:


Atheists and reasoning for God's sake!

What has the ability to see beyond clothing got to do with what a creature given freewill can do in the next minute?

Donald95:
Am not Atheist, but he made a good point.

Donald95:
Remember, their is a law in every country that prevents a minor (Inexperienced and ignorant) to engage in sex with an adult (experienced)
Despite the fact the minor has the right to choose his or her decisions.

MuttleyLaff:
Excellent truth

Are you a learner ni?. The tree goes through judgement upon examination of its fruits

Dont worry, he'll soon copy.

I spoke too soon

Also to answer your question Donald95, do you know Adam and Eve were not created like babies or 3 year olds. Adam was a grown man. He and Eve were not made children nor childish.

Adam and Eve did not gradually change physically or progress to maturity as we have children would do. Adam and Eve were created fully grown, made and developed to be responsible for their actions. Their minds were endowed with accelerated knowledge and so capable to be completely responsible for what they did or not do.

So Donald95, if evidently, Adam was subjected to an accelerated learning process or program, what is stopping God in conducting an accelerated seating or fast track judgement hearing, hmm?

Donald95:
You don't expect Adam and Eve to be able to resist Satan that has been existing for so long, who contributed opinion when man was about to be made and also who knows every material used in making man

kingxsamz:


But how can you test when you already know the end result?
What's the need?

And if you already know the end result, why not make changes?

kingxsamz:
But how can you test when you already know the end result?
What's the need?

And if you already know the end result, why not make changes?

glowingflame7:
It's like steel is tested or clay or gold is tested/toughened in the fire. The known end result cones out as a result of the test.