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forgiveness:
Ikeja, Lekki and Eko Atlantic are cities on their own in Lagos state.

Grgton:
ikeja is among LGAs that made up Lagos city. for Lekki and Eco Atlantic I'd agree they are different cities and not part of Lagos metro in Lagos State

forgiveness:
See for yourself.

1. Lagos
2. Ikeja
3. Lekki
4. Ikorodu
6. Eko Atlantic
7. Badagry
8. Epe
9. Ojo

These are cities and towns in Lagos state.

Nowenuse:
Many people wrongly assume that the size of a city/urban area is exactly the same thing with the size of the LGA(s) it occupies, but that is very wrong...
This is because the LGA(s) may not be entirely urbanized as a large part or some part of it may consist of Water, Swamps, Forests, Rivers, Creeks e.t.c with an uneven topography which does not support development...

Thank God for the increasingly available technologies like Google satellite maps which helps us to view the world from above and even take measurements.
There is a feature on Google maps that allows you to measure land area and it is with that feature that all the readings below were obtained.

Disclaimer*. The measurements below are not 100% correct as 1 or 2 neighborhoods/suburbs may not be included as part of a city/urban area it belongs to in the process of the measurement..
However, to a large extent this helps to give us a clue or picture as to how large or small certain Nigerian cities/urban areas are.



1] LAGOS TOTAL - Over 1,700km²

a. Lagos urban (including Lekki, Ikeja, Ota, Ifo) - Over 1,270km²
b. Ikorodu urban (including Gberigbe, Agbede, Ogijo) - Over 250km²
c. Agbara-Magbon-Badagry -over 120km²


2] ABUJA TOTAL - Over 850km²

a. Abuja municipal - Over 459km²
b. Karu Urban(including Orozo) - over 188km²
c. Madalla/Zuba- Suleja urban - over 113km²
d. Gwagwalada - 32km²
e. Bwari - 23km²

3] IBADAN - Over 562km²

4] KANO - Over 500km²

5] KADUNA - Over 440km²

6] PORT HARCOURT (including Oyigbo, Choba, Etche, Ogoni)- Over 390km²

7] BENIN - Over 340km²

8] JOS (including Bukuru)- Over 320km²

9] ABEOKUTA - Over 227km²

10] WARRI (including Uvwie, Udu) - Over 200km²

11] UYO - Over 194km²

12] OWERRI - Over 184km²

13] AKURE - Over 179km²

14] ENUGU - Over 172km²

15] MAIDUGURI - Over 169km²

16] ABA - Over 154km²

17] MAKURDI - Over 126km²

18] SOKOTO - Over 124km²

19] ONITSHA (including Nkpor, Obosi, Nkwelle) - Over 120km²

20] ZARIA - Over 120km²

21] OGBOMOSHO - Over 115km²

22] ADO-EKITI - Over 114km²

23] ASABA (including Okpanam, Igbuzor) - Over 113km²

24] KATSINA -Over 109km²

25] CALABAR, UMUAHIA, BAUCHI & YOLA-JIMETA - Over 100km²

myobjective:
That is why I always differentiate between the Muslim and the Christian North. The Christian northerners are very progressive people you will even differentiate them from average southerners even here in the north.

The core north actually enjoyed the military patronage than any group in Nigeria but due to lack of capacity, they actually squandered most of the wealth. Reasons why some of their towns still have most of the infrastructure built during the military era.

Do you know that Suleja town actually has a running pipe born water as early as the year 2000? GRA like Suleiman Barrau way has federal gov't built estate that occupies a 1/4 of the actual city before the explosion in population. I reside in this area between 1993 to the year 2001, between this time electricity was constant, pipe-borne water was 24hours and the area was serene but if you go back to this area it is now a shadow of itself.

If the military government was actually fair to southerners and as they invested in the north, there wouldn't be any room for comparison between the south and the north, the later would be so far far ahead of he later in any form of development.

forgiveness:
The bolded are not areas in Lagos state hence can't be classified as urban 'areas' of Lagos state. Thanks

Agboriotejoye:
Look forget all this history. I know it before you knew it. It's interesting you mention Ibadan and Ogbomoso. That's why I asked you to show us your parameters. Do you know that Ogbomoso historically was part of Oyo? The founder of Ogbomoso fled from Ibadan. That's why the king is called Soun( stay there). Abuja and Suleja have always been different places but Abuja was under suleja. That's why I ask you which one should take preference over the other.

The whole FCT area has been administratively described as under Abuja even if they have no relationship according to you. It's just like Badagry and Lagos. That's what I've always wanted you to understand. If you want to add areas to Abuja as part of Abuja, it will be those areas mapped as FCT but definitely not suleja or Karu which are distinct administrative areas just as you recognized Ogbomoso as distinct from Ibadan.

If you want to add suleja to Abuja because people who live there work in Abuja, why don't you also add Apomu and Ikire to Ibadan since people live in those places and work in Ibadan too. I can assure you if you add apomu and Ikire to Ibadan, it will balloon more than you can imagine. Note that both towns are under Osun state. You can also add Ogere remo too from Ogun state since people who work in BAT live in Ogere.

The problem is you don't understand the subject you dabbled into. You just got google map and started mapping areas that suit your fancy as part of a city. What you need is to get native knowledge of those places before you go into your research.

If you are not comfortable with it anymore, you are allowed to remove gwagwalada and Bwari from Abuja. It makes no difference to me. What I want to call your attention to I have. Hope you get it

Nowenuse:
Thank you very much for this enlightenment..
If these places you mentioned are added, then Ibadan could be up to 600km²... Still not enough to displace Abuja.

No hatred intended, but personally I feel Ibadan an urban area so large in size is not living up to it's potentials... Imagine Ibadan being bigger than Kano, but it cannot compare Kano in terms of finance, businesses, industries, infrastructure and cosmopolitanism.
Ibadan, as well as many other Yoruba cities are experiencing a very serious brain drain if you ask me.
Lagos is taking away all Yoruba elites, intellectuals and entrepreneurs and this is not really good.

Agboriotejoye:
For Kaduna, I've explained it to you using Jebba. A pointer to that is the existence of southern Kaduna just was we have Jebba north and Jebba south, both being different towns. Highlight Abuja metropolitan area in that ur screen shot and you'll see that FCT is what is referred to as Abuja metropolitan areas. Suleja being defined as satellite town is because of the influx of people there. It does not automatically make it a part of Abuja. Refer to Apomu/Ikire I mentioned previously.

Like I said, you need to understand those areas before you start mapping them. Not only me, you can see that no one has agreed with you concerning areas they're familiar with so far. That's because identity of a particular area cannot be subsumed simply because it is close to a city. If it is done by the administrative authority no qualms. But an individual cannot just do it. You have to work with what is on ground else your efforts become purely academic.

senatordave1:
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I thought the kaduna river is the boundary between Kaduna north and south so how can any area north of the river be in kaduna south? Is sabo Muslim or xtian dominated

spendoon:
You are not smart at all now let me tell you, most of the undeveloped areas in kaduna are mostly dominated by Christians

Nowenuse:
Longtime my friend.
I didn't reply cos I was tired of explaining to people the differences.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_area

Pls read this link above and try to understand what is being defined as a metropolitan/urban area.

Lagos State is different from Lagos metropolitan/urban area...

Somebody here gave an example of how Washington DC urban area extends into the state of Maryland, but it is still considered one urban area...

mrvitalis:
Bros u still measured rubbish in umuahia why leave out umudike ? Why is it a separate town

See how u measured others but Igbo cities u minimise what are u trying to portray ?

See how u added bushes to kaduna and Jos just to make them look big ...seee how u measured ibadan from high level but zoomed it to measure igbos cites Bros u na scam

Nowenuse:
This is the map of Jebba below. The river is the boundary between Niger & Kwara and I cannot see the part of Jebba across the River in the Niger side of it.

Jebba cannot explain the case of Kaduna well.

But let us assume it does.

How about Abuja which I asked you about? If Nigeria divides today and FCT ceases to exist as a political division and Abuja Municipal, Suleja, Karu ends up in a new middlebelt country with entirely different political classifications, what then happens?

Nowenuse:
This is the map of Jebba below. The river is the boundary between Niger & Kwara and I cannot see the part of Jebba across the River in the Niger side of it.

Jebba cannot explain the case of Kaduna well.

But let us assume it does.

How about Abuja which I asked you about? If Nigeria divides today and FCT ceases to exist as a political division and Abuja Municipal, Suleja, Karu ends up in a new middlebelt country with entirely different political classifications, what then happens?

Cc forgiveness

For the records, I understand all the political classifications of Nigeria, perhaps far better than you... Just that I am following the world standard definition of a metropolitan/urban area and this is a definition that cuts across countries (national boundaries), let alone states.... You are stuck with local politcal boundaries, that is just the difference between your perspective and mine.

Nowenuse:
Yes Kaduna river is supposed to be the boundary between the Kaduna north and south, but it was manipulated like I said.
Suburbs north of the river like Tudun Wada were dragged into Kaduna south LGA.

Sabo is like 100% christian. All suburbs south of the Kaduna river are exclusively Christian, except for 4 (Kakuri, Trikaniya, Barnawa & Nasarawa) which has significant Muslim minorities.

senatordave1:
Manipulated how and to what end? How can areas across the river be in kaduna south? Lastly if kaduna south is mostly christian how come apc wins there by a large margin but lose chikun by a large marhin

Agboriotejoye:
What exactly are you about?
Do you mean to say Christians are anti-apc?
Kaduna south voted massively for APC in 2015. Besides, I don't even understand how you've managed to turn dis to APC/PDP matter. You no dey tire?

senatordave1:
Manipulated how and to what end? How can areas across the river be in kaduna south? Lastly if kaduna south is mostly christian how come apc wins there by a large margin but lose chikun by a large marhin

forgiveness:
Longtime. No worries.

I have gone through the link, but from what I deduced from your link, there is difference between Metropolitan and Urban areas. Which of these two are you talking about?


Unlike an urban area, a metropolitan area includes not only the urban area, but also satellite cities plus intervening rural land that is socio-economically connected to the urban core city, typically by employment ties through commuting, with the urban core city being the primary labor market.

forgiveness:
Please, see the official Urban area of Lagos. Badagry, Ikorodu, Ota, Ifo and even Lekki are not included.

Agboriotejoye:
What exactly are you about?
Do you mean to say Christians are anti-apc?
Kaduna south voted massively for APC in 2015. Besides, I don't even understand how you've managed to turn dis to APC/PDP matter. You no dey tire?

Agboriotejoye:
That part in ur map is jebba south which is in Kwara state. Jebba north is where Montgomery was buried. It's more or less a tiny town about 15-20km from jebba south. Both are separated by that River Niger.

Your second question, suleja would most likely become a capital of a state due to adjoining towns and villages which will come under it

Agboriotejoye:
Dude has never been to Ibadan. He's using google map to determine how modernised a city is. I was in Ibadan last Christmas and the fun i had compared favourably with Lagos.
Kano for example has only one shoprite mall while Ibadan has two not to count other malls that can compete favourably with shop rite that exist in Ibadan.

Nowenuse:
Kano does not have exclusive domination of the north. Kaduna can give Kano a run for it's money in almost every aspect.

Ibadan is doing better than Kano in Human development index definitely because Hausa fulani people are largely illiterate. Nothing else.



This is very very false.
The modern parts of Ibadan can never be bigger than the modern parts of Kano.

Use Google maps right now to view Ibadan and Kano closely, then come back and repeat this statement.

80% of the houses and suburbs in Ibadan look very very brown and dusty from above! And very congested too!

Nowenuse:
Lol you are asking a question and answering yourself at the same time.

APC wins in Kaduna south LGA because Muslim dominated areas north of Kaduna river were included in Kaduna south LGAs, while Christian dominated areas of Kaduna south where taken into Chikun LGAs.

This was done to ensure that muslims dominate both Kaduna north & south LGAs.

Something similar was done for the senatorial districts.
Look at this map of Kaduna state below. Look at the 4 yellow LGAs in the central area (Chikun, Kajuru, Kauru & Lere)... These 4 LGAs are Christian dominated and ought to be the ones in Kaduna central senatorial district, but Lere LGA was taken to Kaduna north senatorial district while Kauru LGA was taken to Kaduna south senatorial district, leaving only Chikun & Kajuru in the central, then LGAs from the north up to Giwa LGA that shares boundary with Katsina state were included in Kaduna central senatorial district, just to ensure that muslims end up dominating Kaduna north & central senatorial districts, thereby always producing 2 senators.

Nowenuse:
If this is the case, then Jebba cannot be compared to Kaduna.
Take a good look at Kaduna below can you see how the river cuts directly through the city?

If Southern Kaduna becomes a different state and they decide to name their part of the city IGBO.... Will that make 'Igbo city' an entirely different city from the Kaduna city on the north of the river?


... Lol. Who told you so? And who made you that judge to decide the outcome of Suleja if Nigeria divides?
As someone from that part of the country, I think we will put Suleja-Abuja-Karu in the same political entity and make it a federal city or something of sort.

Anyway, the point I want to make to you and others like Grgton & forgiveness is that using political units to define urban areas is a very wrong approach and that is why the world does not use that... Because political boundaries can change anyday and anytime.... Do you keep naming and renaming urban areas to suite these politcal classifications?

Nowenuse:
Many people wrongly assume that the size of a city/urban area is exactly the same thing with the size of the LGA(s) it occupies, but that is very wrong...
This is because the LGA(s) may not be entirely urbanized as a large part or some part of it may consist of Water, Swamps, Forests, Rivers, Creeks e.t.c with an uneven topography which does not support development...

Thank God for the increasingly available technologies like Google satellite maps which helps us to view the world from above and even take measurements.
There is a feature on Google maps that allows you to measure land area and it is with that feature that all the readings below were obtained.

Disclaimer*. The measurements below are not 100% correct as 1 or 2 neighborhoods/suburbs may not be included as part of a city/urban area it belongs to in the process of the measurement..
However, to a large extent this helps to give us a clue or picture as to how large or small certain Nigerian cities/urban areas are.



1] LAGOS TOTAL - Over 1,700km²

a. Lagos urban (including Lekki, Ikeja, Ota, Ifo) - Over 1,270km²
b. Ikorodu urban (including Gberigbe, Agbede, Ogijo) - Over 250km²
c. Agbara-Magbon-Badagry -over 120km²


2] ABUJA TOTAL - Over 850km²

a. Abuja municipal - Over 459km²
b. Karu Urban(including Orozo) - over 188km²
c. Madalla/Zuba- Suleja urban - over 113km²
d. Gwagwalada - 32km²
e. Bwari - 23km²

3] IBADAN - Over 562km²

4] KANO - Over 500km²

5] KADUNA - Over 440km²

6] PORT HARCOURT (including Oyigbo, Choba, Etche, Ogoni)- Over 390km²

7] BENIN - Over 340km²

8] JOS (including Bukuru)- Over 320km²

9] ABEOKUTA - Over 227km²

10] WARRI (including Uvwie, Udu) - Over 200km²

11] UYO - Over 194km²

12] OWERRI - Over 184km²

13] AKURE - Over 179km²

14] ENUGU - Over 172km²

15] MAIDUGURI - Over 169km²

16] ABA - Over 154km²

17] MAKURDI - Over 126km²

18] SOKOTO - Over 124km²

19] ONITSHA (including Nkpor, Obosi, Nkwelle) - Over 120km²

20] ZARIA - Over 120km²

21] OGBOMOSHO - Over 115km²

22] ADO-EKITI - Over 114km²

23] ASABA (including Okpanam, Igbuzor) - Over 113km²

24] KATSINA -Over 109km²

25] CALABAR, UMUAHIA, BAUCHI & YOLA-JIMETA - Over 100km²

Nowenuse:
What exactly are you guys arguing?

Parts of Suleja & Karu are in Nasarawa & Niger states, does that stop these places from being part of Abuja urban area?

Agbara, Sango Ota, Ibafo e.t.c, are all these places not located in Ogun state? Does it stop them from being part of greater Lagos Urban area?

Agboriotejoye:
Suleja is not part of Abuja. Suleja is Niger state

Nowenuse:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_area

Read this above and learn to educate your ignorance!

A city is different from an Urban area/metropolitan area.

Ikorodu is a different city from Lagos city, but it is part of Greater Lagos urban area or metropolitan area. Educate yourself before you come online to disgrace yourself.

Look at the topic of the thread, it is city/urban areas. Urban/metropolitan areas are a connurbation of towns & cities which are connected socially, economically and infrastructurally... They are not divided by even national boundaries let alone state or district boundaries.

Pick up a book and read. I repeat Pick up a book and read.

Suleja & Karu developed to the way they did because of Abuja. Majority of people in these places have their lives connected to Abuja.
That doesn't make it part of Abuja bro. Even in Ogun people has far as iju, igbesa work and live in lagos state and its doesn't make it part of lagos state.
You are mistaking Abuja to mean Abuja municipal only.... That is very wrong, ignorant and myopic.

That is just like saying Onitsha should be Onitsha only without Nkpor & Obosi or Jos should be without Bukuru, or Warri should be Warri south alone, without Uvwie & Udu or PH should be without Choba, Oyigbo & Ogoni.
Bukuru will always be part of Jos. It is the capital of Jos South lga.

Go and learn to understand what an Urban or metropolitan area is abeg.

Grgton:
FCT just a small land area?? lol joker. FCT is about the same size of Enugu state and it's even more bigger than, Lagos, Anambra, IMO, Abia

suleja is in Niger state simple as that. just that it's proximity to Abuja FCT makes it develop faster, just like New karu in Nasarawa state