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Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 10:33am On Mar 21, 2020
Now!,nobody should please bring up the highly controvercial 1979 presidential electral victory that was based on 122/3 by the court into the discuss,this was just a flash in the pan of a sort.
However,having explain this,i have being wondering why in all past elections after this,always whenever a presidential candidate of the Northern estration took up an Igbo running mate ends in a defeat for such candidate irrespective of how popular such a candidate may be,IS THIS A CURSE ON THE IGBOS?
Before anyone would start pouring unquantifiable venom on me instead of them to counter my submission with a superior argument,these are instances:in 1993 presidential election,Bashir Tofa was pair up with an Igbos running mate by the name Sylvester Ugoh and was not only defeated in the election but lost his polling unit to a BERIBE!;ten years after in 2003 another northerner in person of our amiable Gen Mohammedu Buhari,who has massive cult followership in the North fielded an Igbo man in the person of sen.Chuba Okadgbo

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 10:55am On Mar 21, 2020
as his running mate,lost the election as well;also in 2007 once again!the same Gen Mohammedu Buhari who seems not to have learnt his lesson still went ahead with another Igbo man,Ume Ezeoke as his running mate and lost;in the same election,alhaji Atiku Abubakar who also contested it with an Igbo man by the name,Ben Obi was defeated and finally the 2019 presidential election,the same alhaji Atiku Abubakar of the 'he is coming'fame,still havent get it that North/SE ticket cant fly in the North in particular and Nigeria in general,pair up not only with another Igbo man but another Obi!this time Peter Obi of the 'Obi China'fame,was defeated.Thank you,as you respond.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by tooth4tooth: 11:06am On Mar 21, 2020
The purpose of this thread is to spite the Igbos. Can everyone please ignore this lazy youth

NOTE: Am not Igbo.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by tooth4tooth: 11:06am On Mar 21, 2020
The purpose of this thread is to spite the Igbos. Can everyone please ignore this lazy youth ?

NOTE: Am not Igbo.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 11:14am On Mar 21, 2020
tooth4tooth:
The purpose of this thread is to spite the Igbos. Can everyone please ignore this lazy youth ?

NOTE: Am not Igbo.
The truth,as they say is BITTER!

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by TimeManager(m): 11:29am On Mar 21, 2020
kiss the truth!

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 11:32am On Mar 21, 2020
TimeManager:
kiss the truth!
Thank you,for your response!

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by tatatar: 11:35am On Mar 21, 2020
Children of hate are ready to vote against their own than to vote someone they've been trained to hate.
Secondly,for example,an Anambra man would rather die than have another Igbo man from imo become vice-president or president.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by iwaeda: 11:37am On Mar 21, 2020
DeViNe007:
Now!,nobody should please bring up the highly controvercial 1979 presidential electral victory that was based on 122/3 by the court into the discuss,this was just a flash in the pan of a sort.
However,having explain this,i have being wondering why in all past elections after this,always whenever a presidential candidate of the Northern estration took up an Igbo running mate ends in a defeat for such candidate irrespective of how popular such a candidate may be,IS THIS A CURSE ON THE IGBOS?
Before anyone would start pouring unquantifiable venom on me instead of them to counter my submission with a superior argument,these are instances:in 1993 presidential election,Bashir Tofa was pair up with an Igbos running mate by the name Sylvester Ugoh and was not only defeated in the election but lost his polling unit to a BERIBE!;ten years after in 2003 another northerner in person of our amiable Gen Mohammedu Buhari,who has massive cult followership in the North fielded an Igbo man in the person of sen.Chuba Okadgbo

You are a kid, go and sleep at home, Shagari ran with Ekueme in 1979-83

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by magnetic20: 11:44am On Mar 21, 2020
tooth4tooth:
The purpose of this thread is to spite the Igbos. Can everyone please ignore this lazy youth

NOTE: Am not Igbo.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by magnetic20: 11:44am On Mar 21, 2020
tooth4tooth:
The purpose of this thread is to spite the Igbos. Can everyone please ignore this lazy youth ?

NOTE: Am not Igbo.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by WATCHOVER(m): 11:59am On Mar 21, 2020
The supreme truth is tribalism, most especially in the North where their hatred for Ibos are been taught right from childhood.

Secondly the Ibos are not united, they prefer money more than anything else.

That is why there is an adage that says give an Ibo man sufficient Capital (money) he will drop the bible and pick up a knife
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 12:01pm On Mar 21, 2020
iwaeda:


You are a kid, go and sleep at home, Shagari ran with Ekueme in 1979-83
Go and sit down!what was the outcome of the 1979 election?why did they resorted to the court that award them with a mathematical victory of 12 2/3?
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 12:13pm On Mar 21, 2020
tatatar:
Children of hate are ready to vote against their own than to vote someone they've been trained to hate.
Secondly,for example,an Anambra man would rather die than have another Igbo man from imo become vice-president or president.
I guest you are partially right beside THEIR LACK OF ACCEPTANCE NATIONALLY!!!

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Nobody: 12:16pm On Mar 21, 2020
DeViNe007:
Now!,nobody should please bring up the highly controvercial 1979 presidential electral victory that was based on 122/3 by the court into the discuss,this was just a flash in the pan of a sort.
However,having explain this,i have being wondering why in all past elections after this,always whenever a presidential candidate of the Northern estration took up an Igbo running mate ends in a defeat for such candidate irrespective of how popular such a candidate may be,IS THIS A CURSE ON THE IGBOS?
Before anyone would start pouring unquantifiable venom on me instead of them to counter my submission with a superior argument,these are instances:in 1993 presidential election,Bashir Tofa was pair up with an Igbos running mate by the name Sylvester Ugoh and was not only defeated in the election but lost his polling unit to a BERIBE!;ten years after in 2003 another northerner in person of our amiable Gen Mohammedu Buhari,who has massive cult followership in the North fielded an Igbo man in the person of sen.Chuba Okadgbo

Before u get all excited, stop with the half assed analysis. North/se beat Awolowo in 79 and 83. Whether u factor in the awkward judgment for 79 or the absurdities of 1983, in Nigeria what counts is who is sworn in come inauguration day. And the gap was already very convincing. Only issue was spread. The eventual runoff 2nd round would have been prepackaged by the military for Shagari either way. An Awo victory as slim as that was, would simply not be announced. Nigeria was designed for federative leadership not regional..

That being said u are conflating Abiola's victory with his identity... lol. That was a man who built contacts (even in the East, he won Anambra and averaged more than 40% in Igboland) nationally, over a decades long empire building career. In fact, up until the 1992 ban of old politicians most Yorubas didnt even consider him. He held no real regard for Awolowo or his political wing. His victory was borne from his peculiar persona and strategy. Ofc he knew getting his kin on board was only a matter of time. Ultimately it all worked out. Who was Bashir Tofa ? His money and worth were only for him and his family. In fact, I will go as far as saying as there is no equivalent of Abiola right now in this country.

The Igbos aligned with PDP from 1999 and I would also point out that even tho their Ekwueme lost out to OBJ they gave OBJ all of their votes. Same OBJ that won only 12 percent in Lagos, barely 25 percent anywhere else in the west and only about 30 percent in his home state of Ogun. Lol.. the only successful Yoruba at the polls was more of a northern, SS and Eastern choice than a SW selection... so one could even argue that the AG/UPN Yoruba core political center has never produced a President lol..

Hence, it didnt matter where GMB picked Okadigbo or Ume Ezeoke or Ojukwu ran etc. Who were this men to the bigger picture of SE political positioning. Igbos threw their hat in with the PDP, albeit a Northern oligarchy dominated structure... the irony... I think what u should ask urself is that why has Igbo voting not necessarily followed the ethnic identity of their preferred candidates. What elite resolutions govern these choices. Perhaps, what cultural norms or presumptions and the like. Not the BS u have up here, throwing things together to fit ur narrative. I will repeat by the logic of " what votes do u bring to the table? What is ur contribution?" that is so popular now, OBJ essentially owed the SW nothing. The rigging and machinations in the SS and SE almost made it seem like he was their son. Look at his Rivers numbers for example. Nigeria is actually less tribalized than trolls like u make it seem on NL.

Igbos were on the right side of 79, 83, 99, 03, 07 and 11 some of u on here make it seem like u dont know that the only time the SW votes correlated with the winning party was in 93, 11,15 and this past 2019. If we were to go all the way back to 1959 and 1964 federal elections, the story is the same, with both Igbo and Yoruba losing out in '64. And the West losing its own regional control in the 1965 regionals.

1979 and 1983 on their own invalidate ur claim. Stop getting carried away with temporary political success. With the emergence of Goodluck Jonathan in 2011, almost every zone in the country has technically been at the center of power over the country's history. They can all say "been there, done that". Wait for 2023, 27, 31 and beyond before drawing ur conclusions.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by tooth4tooth: 12:16pm On Mar 21, 2020
DeViNe007:

The truth,as they say is BITTER!

Fi gbogbo iyen sile. Did they tell you they don't know history? You don't have to use the few bad eggs among them to spite the collective good ones.
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by johnmartus(m): 12:16pm On Mar 21, 2020
My name is Kamsiyochukwu I was born and raised in Isiala Ngwa in Abia state.

What you said about Anambra is right. Anambra state is a problem to the whole of southeast.
tatatar:
Children of hate are ready to vote against their own than to vote someone they've been trained to hate.
Secondly,for example,an Anambra man would rather die than have another Igbo man from imo become vice-president or president.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by johnmartus(m): 12:20pm On Mar 21, 2020
My name is Kamsiyochukwu I was born and raised in Isiala Ngwa in Abia state.

Please kindly ignore this Anambra man. Its their way to lying and cause problem for the whole of southeast.
Dasuks:


Before u get all excited, stop with the half assed analysis. North/se beat Awolowo in 79 and 83. Whether u factor in the awkward judgment for 79 or the absurdities of 1983, in Nigeria what counts is who is sworn in come inauguration day. And the gap was already very convincing. Only issue was spread. The eventual runoff 2nd round would have been prepackaged by the military for Shagari either way. An Awo victory as slim as that was, would simply not be announced. Nigeria was designed for federative leadership not regional..

That being said u are conflating Abiola's victory with his identity... lol. That was a man who built contacts (even in the East, he won Anambra and averaged more than 40% in Igboland) nationally, over a decades long empire building career. In fact, up until the 1992 ban of old politicians most Yorubas didnt even consider him. He held no real regard for Awolowo or his political wing. His victory was borne from his peculiar persona and strategy. Ofc he knew getting his kin on board was only a matter of time. Ultimately it all worked out. Who was Bashir Tofa ? His money and worth were only for him and his family. In fact, I will go as far as saying as there is no equivalent of Abiola right now in this country.

The Igbos aligned with PDP from 1999 and I would also point out that even tho their Ekwueme lost out to OBJ they gave OBJ all of their votes. Same OBJ that won only 12 percent in Lagos, barely 25 percent anywhere else in the west and only about 30 percent in his home state of Ogun. Lol.. the only successful Yoruba at the polls was more of a northern, SS and Eastern choice than a SW selection... so one could even argue that the AG/UPN Yoruba core political center has never produced a President lol..

Hence, it didnt matter where GMB picked Okadigbo or Ume Ezeoke or Ojukwu ran etc. Who were this men to the bigger picture of SE political positioning. Igbos threw their hat in with the PDP, albeit a Northern oligarchy dominated structure... the irony... I think what u should ask urself is that why has Igbo voting not necessarily followed the ethnic identity of their preferred candidates. What elite resolutions govern these choices. Perhaps, what cultural norms or presumptions and the like. Not the BS u have up here, throwing things together to fit ur narrative. I will repeat by the logic of " what votes do u bring to the table? What is ur contribution?" that is so popular now, OBJ essentially owed the SW nothing. The rigging and machinations in the SS and SE almost made it seem like he was their son. Look at his Rivers numbers for example. Nigeria is actually less tribalized than trolls like u make it seem on NL.

Igbos were on the right side of 79, 83, 99, 03, 07 and 11 some of u on here make it seem like u dont know that the only time the SW votes correlated with the winning party was in 93, 11,15 and this past 2019. If we were to go all the way back to 1959 and 1964 federal elections, the story is the same, with both Igbo and Yoruba losing out in '64. And the West losing its own regional control in the 1965 regionals.

1979 and 1983 on their own invalidate ur claim. Stop getting carried away with temporary political success. With the emergence of Goodluck Jonathan in 2011, almost every zone in the country has technically been at the center of power over the country's history. They can all say "been there, done that". Wait for 2023, 27, 31 and beyond before drawing ur conclusions.
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Lipscomb(m): 12:25pm On Mar 21, 2020
grin nuisance everywhere. Many of them yet to have breakfast this morning. Because nothing to eat, hopeless Nigerian Youths.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Olugbanko: 12:31pm On Mar 21, 2020
very simple! when you align with the inconsequential 5%, failure becomes inevitable!

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Olugbanko: 12:32pm On Mar 21, 2020
Lipscomb:
grin nuisance everywhere. Many of them yet to have breakfast this morning. Because nothing to eat, hopeless Nigerian Youths.
you don chop?

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Olugbanko: 12:35pm On Mar 21, 2020
tooth4tooth:
The purpose of this thread is to spite the Igbos. Can everyone please ignore this lazy youth

NOTE: Am not Igbo.
you're not even ashamed to deny your paternity... mtcew!

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Nobody: 12:47pm On Mar 21, 2020
johnmartus:
My name is Kamsiyochukwu I was born and raised in Isiala Ngwa in Abia state.

What you said about Anambra is right. Anambra state is a problem to the whole of southeast.
U have a VALID POINT

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by XANDERBOY85: 12:55pm On Mar 21, 2020
WATCHOVER:
The supreme truth is tribalism, most especially in the North where their hatred for Ibos are been taught right from childhood.

Secondly the Ibos are not united, they prefer money more than anything else.

That is why there is an adage that says give an Ibo man sufficient Capital (money) he will drop the bible and pick up a knife

Hehehehe grin grin grin

You must have ‘Ibos’ confused with your murderous, bigoted, thieving and power-hungry lot! wink
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 12:57pm On Mar 21, 2020
Lipscomb:
grin nuisance everywhere. Many of them yet to have breakfast this morning. Because nothing to eat, hopeless Nigerian Youths.
Hello oga wey do chop breakfast,is this only what you have to say?
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by tooth4tooth: 1:01pm On Mar 21, 2020
Olugbanko:
you're not even ashamed to deny your paternity... mtcew!

You are the one with damaged brain cells.

You don't know me yet you want to tell me who I am .
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Olugbanko: 1:57pm On Mar 21, 2020
tooth4tooth:


You are the one with damaged brain cells.

You don't know me yet you want to tell me who I am .
I know you boy! aren't you the same mentally deranged igbo gala hawker I've always known? liar from the pit of hell!
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by helinues: 2:00pm On Mar 21, 2020
Cos both region are weak politically..
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by tooth4tooth: 2:10pm On Mar 21, 2020
Olugbanko:
I know you boy! aren't you the same mentally deranged igbo gala hawker I've always known? liar from the pit of hell!
You need help
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Olugbanko: 3:52pm On Mar 21, 2020
tooth4tooth:
You need help
helper, help yourself!
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Bighead9: 4:04pm On Mar 21, 2020
It's because any Igbo presidential or VP candidate is a bad market. Even if an Igbo man contest along side an angel as his running mate, Nigerians won't vote for them. grin grin


Igbo's can never rule this Country.

Quote me anywhere.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Olugbanko: 10:46pm On Mar 21, 2020
tooth4tooth:
You need help
helper, help thyself!

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