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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Heavensent01(m): 10:31pm On May 28, 2020
after the civil war, Yoruba returned all Igbo properties to them but River state/Portharcourt took over their properties and converted it to their own




but today Yoruba people are the most hated people by this shortsighted Igbo. Yorubas should continue being the best that they're



don't stop doing good, I'm so happy to read the humanity of Yoruba post civil war, God bless all Yorubas

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by flokii: 10:39pm On May 28, 2020
Heavensent01:
after the civil war, Yoruba returned all Igbo properties to them but River state/Portharcourt took over their properties and converted it to their own




but today Yoruba people are the most hated people by this shortsighted Igbo. Yorubas should continue being the best that they're



don't stop doing good, I'm so happy to read the humanity of Yoruba post civil war, God bless all Yorubas

God bless you too..

Just to add to your post, the failed ambition of Azikiwe and his Eastern folks to dominate South West and steal her resources is part of the reason they hate us.

The civil war ended their fruitless ambition and they are yet to recover from that defeat.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by flokii: 10:41pm On May 28, 2020
@OP the answer is simple.. SE has no business with politics.

They are good traders, let them stick to that and leave politics for those that understand it.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Heavensent01(m): 10:46pm On May 28, 2020
flokii:


God bless you too..

Just to add to your post, the failed ambition of Azikiwe and his Eastern folks to dominate South West and steal her resources is part of the reason they hate us.

The civil war ended their fruitless ambition and they are yet to recover from that defeat.


I didn't even mentioned how they planned to takeover Lagos state after masterminding the first coup in Nigeria


the first coup gave birth to distrust among the three major tribes which led to this avoidable civil war.


incessant diplomatic reconciliation between Nigeria govt and the grievances might have birth the Biafra before now but they chose destruction path and yet Yoruba have to be blamed for their self misfortune

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by flokii: 10:51pm On May 28, 2020
Heavensent01:



I didn't even mentioned how they planned to takeover Lagos state after masterminding the first coup in Nigeria


the first coup gave birth to distrust among the three major tribes which led to this avoidable civil war.


incessant diplomatic reconciliation between Nigeria govt and the grievances might have birth the Biafra before now but they chose destruction path and yet Yoruba have to be blamed for their self misfortune

The best part is that Yorubas don't care or give a damn about any bitter ethnic group.. we keep doing our thing and we keep on breaking new ground while haters keep hating.

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Heavensent01(m): 11:03pm On May 28, 2020
flokii:


The best part is that Yorubas don't care or give a damn about any bitter ethnic group.. we keep doing our thing and we keep on breaking new ground while haters keep hating.



that's just the spirit of average Yoruba, June 12 and Ilorin saga have been put behind them because humanity first before anything and this keep us growing and going


I hope Igbo can practice true form of Christianity that requires tolerance, forgiveness and not judging or crucifying anyone. we must know and stand to our rights but not at the detriment of stereotyping that has been the hallmark of Igbo

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Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 7:16am On May 29, 2020
Having found out that they are unsellabe to the generality of Nigeria,they now resulted to blackmail.Thinking that by agitating with Biafra this will work and also backing on Donald Trump to impose them on Nigeria even when it is against our will,forgeting that democracy does not work in such a way.
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by DeViNe007: 7:32am On May 29, 2020
flokii:
@OP the answer is simple.. SE has no business with politics.

They are good traders, let them stick to that and leave politics for those that understand it.

My bro all Igbo quest for power is not for anything other than to fight we Yorubas,have you forgoten what they did to us during Jonathan regime,even though the president was not one them,talkless of having one them as the president.
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by AhoadaRivers: 7:56am On May 29, 2020
DeViNe007:

The truth,as they say is BITTER!

Fact 1- Zik Allied with the Balewa and formed government. Awo lost and his hpme burned with Akintola because even yorubas can't work with yorubas.

Fact2- Shagari ran with Ekwueme and flogged Awolowo mercilessly again at the polls.

Fact 3- yoruba will not be president in 2023. They are not even united, even osibanjo lost at his polling unit in yorubaland.

Fact 4- yorubas have lost every election they engaged in from 1959- 2015. yoruba have never succesfully made a yorubaman president and will not be able to do that in the nearest future.

Fact 4- yorubas are only good at making noise. They are smallest majority after Hausa and Igbo according British census records and current FBI data on Nigeria.

Fact 5- Outside Igboland, politicians wear Igbo regalia on political campaign posters to appeal for Igbo votes, it happens in hausaland, it happens in yorubaland. But no politicians appeals for yoruba votes outside yorubaland. That tells us all we need to know about political importance.

Fact 6- yorubas as natural noise-makers, used their print media to swell up their population. Shouting 'arrrrrhhhhhh! yeeeeeeeeeee!' will not change the reality on ground that yoruba are new comers to electoral success in nigeria compare to Ibo. They won one election in 2015 and started proclaiming themselves kingmakers. grin

Many have been presidents without yoruba votes and many will be in future without yoruba votes. They are the real inconsequential minority among the majority if we take historical records into cognisance.
Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by brainshaker(m): 8:52am On May 29, 2020
DeViNe007:
Now!,nobody should please bring up the highly controvercial 1979 presidential electral victory that was based on 122/3 by the court into the discuss,this was just a flash in the pan of a sort.
However,having explain this,i have being wondering why in all past elections after this,always whenever a presidential candidate of the Northern estration took up an Igbo running mate ends in a defeat for such candidate irrespective of how popular such a candidate may be,IS THIS A CURSE ON THE IGBOS?
Before anyone would start pouring unquantifiable venom on me instead of them to counter my submission with a superior argument,these are instances:in 1993 presidential election,Bashir Tofa was pair up with an Igbos running mate by the name Sylvester Ugoh and was not only defeated in the election but lost his polling unit to a BERIBE!;ten years after in 2003 another northerner in person of our amiable Gen Mohammedu Buhari,who has massive cult followership in the North fielded an Igbo man in the person of sen.Chuba Okadgbo

Re: Presidential Election:why Do The North/se Joint Ticket Often End In Defeat? by Nwadiuto247: 11:59am On May 29, 2020
Dasuks:


Before u get all excited, stop with the half assed analysis. North/se beat Awolowo in 79 and 83. Whether u factor in the awkward judgment for 79 or the absurdities of 1983, in Nigeria what counts is who is sworn in come inauguration day. And the gap was already very convincing. Only issue was spread. The eventual runoff 2nd round would have been prepackaged by the military for Shagari either way. An Awo victory as slim as that was, would simply not be announced. Nigeria was designed for federative leadership not regional..

That being said u are conflating Abiola's victory with his identity... lol. That was a man who built contacts (even in the East, he won Anambra and averaged more than 40% in Igboland) nationally, over a decades long empire building career. In fact, up until the 1992 ban of old politicians most Yorubas didnt even consider him. He held no real regard for Awolowo or his political wing. His victory was borne from his peculiar persona and strategy. Ofc he knew getting his kin on board was only a matter of time. Ultimately it all worked out. Who was Bashir Tofa ? His money and worth were only for him and his family. In fact, I will go as far as saying as there is no equivalent of Abiola right now in this country.

The Igbos aligned with PDP from 1999 and I would also point out that even tho their Ekwueme lost out to OBJ they gave OBJ all of their votes. Same OBJ that won only 12 percent in Lagos, barely 25 percent anywhere else in the west and only about 30 percent in his home state of Ogun. Lol.. the only successful Yoruba at the polls was more of a northern, SS and Eastern choice than a SW selection... so one could even argue that the AG/UPN Yoruba core political center has never produced a President lol..

Hence, it didnt matter where GMB picked Okadigbo or Ume Ezeoke or Ojukwu ran etc. Who were this men to the bigger picture of SE political positioning. Igbos threw their hat in with the PDP, albeit a Northern oligarchy dominated structure... the irony... I think what u should ask urself is that why has Igbo voting not necessarily followed the ethnic identity of their preferred candidates. What elite resolutions govern these choices. Perhaps, what cultural norms or presumptions and the like. Not the BS u have up here, throwing things together to fit ur narrative. I will repeat by the logic of " what votes do u bring to the table? What is ur contribution?" that is so popular now, OBJ essentially owed the SW nothing. The rigging and machinations in the SS and SE almost made it seem like he was their son. Look at his Rivers numbers for example. Nigeria is actually less tribalized than trolls like u make it seem on NL.

Igbos were on the right side of 79, 83, 99, 03, 07 and 11 some of u on here make it seem like u dont know that the only time the SW votes correlated with the winning party was in 93, 11,15 and this past 2019. If we were to go all the way back to 1959 and 1964 federal elections, the story is the same, with both Igbo and Yoruba losing out in '64. And the West losing its own regional control in the 1965 regionals.

1979 and 1983 on their own invalidate ur claim. Stop getting carried away with temporary political success. With the emergence of Goodluck Jonathan in 2011, almost every zone in the country has technically been at the center of power over the country's history. They can all say "been there, done that". Wait for 2023, 27, 31 and beyond before drawing ur conclusions.
thank you for schooling the empty headed OP. His myopic brain failed to inform him that SE and North have paired severally to produce the leadership of both houses of the national assembly.

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