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Niseed:
You keep deflecting questions for whatever reasons best known to you.

My conclusion is this, you are clearly on a mission to milk this situation for all you can get which is why the truth is not forthcoming from you.

You and I both know that a one off fee for the design of a logo is in the 1000's or hundreds of thousands and certainly not worth the noise you are making. You are only doing this because its First Bank and not a small company or individual that has come to you for a logo design.

I have worked on different well known brands and projects which included the design of logos that were widely used, what normally happens is the vendor is given the contract to print all the merchandise that will be used for the campaign I.e shirts, mugs, calendars etc

You even said they gave you iPad covers to print. Did you get paid for the iPad covers?

You won't say how much was invoiced and neither will you share correspondence so we know if you are truly being cheated.

We all know times are hard and you must be thinking if you sustain the pressure they will finally bow and settle you.

But don't come here and pretend that 1 logo design has crippled your business.

Let's even assume you invoiced N1m for the logo , is it not better to meet with them and renegotiate so your working relationship can continue with them and N1m is surely not going to make an existing vendor burn bridges with a client.

If you are claiming the money owed to you is over N1m then that means you also have an insider that wants a cut and is the one most likely advising you to go this route.

(These are my assumptions since you have not provided details).

Clearly no amount of decent explanation will do for you FIRST Bank online crew. You started with conclusion but ended with assumptions. That alone says much about what's going on at your end sir.
Now we get your point and now know why you have ignored all our explanations to you and have been coming up with your theories. We appreciate your feedback and know what's going on. We have been told that this trolls attack is what all the big brands do to kill any of their victim but we assure you that this bone they have swallowed is going to stay in their throat for long sir.One more thing again sir, we know what you all are doing and saying and when we read it here, we just shake our heads.
It is how sad we have gotten to in this country.

xtremecr8:
Clearly no amount of decent explanation will do for you FIRST Bank online crew. You started with conclusion but ended with assumptions. That alone says much about what's going on at your end sir.
Now we get your point and now know why you have ignored all our explanations to you and have been coming up with your theories. We appreciate your feedback and know what's going on. We have been told that this trolls attack is what all the big brands do to kill any of their victim but we assure you that this bone they have swallowed is going to stay in their throat for long sir.One more thing again sir, we know what you all are doing and saying and when we read it here, we just shake our heads.
It is how sad we have gotten to in this country.

First Bank just ran an advertorial on CNN @13:28 pm this 23rd Day of March 2020 with your purportedly designed logo.

I am not a fan of FBN or its top management, largely because of their underperformance occasioned by their insider dealings.

But the OP is obtuse.

You can't bank sympathy.

He has been spending money on Nairaland ads, to what end? Calling all those who try to give him actionable advice trolls.

At the end of the day, how does he expect to get paid by using a smear campaign? So they will say, oh we have had enough, credit his account?? It doesn't work that way.

You either have to sue them or engage with their legal team as they requested.

einsteine:
I am not a fan of FBN or its top management, largely because of their underperformance occasioned by their insider dealings.

But the OP is obtuse.

You can't bank sympathy.

He has been spending money on Nairaland ads, to what end? Calling all those who try to give him actionable advice trolls.

At the end of the day, how does he expect to get paid by using a smear campaign? So they will say, oh we have had enough, credit his account?? It doesn't work that way.

You either have to sue them or engage with their legal team as they requested.

We didn't call them trolls. They are actually trolls paid to do this kind of job.We discovered their antics just by chance and discovered that they are even professionals.Ghostpr is one of them, Jide Aboderin is another
We had no idea this goes on until now and when we expressed our shock to journalists at Saharareporters, they confirmed to us that big brands in Nigeria do it all the time.
There is nothing obtuse in our demand, those who found it or pretend to find it confusing are only in one group; FBN online crew.Since we exposed them, they have stopped calling us unsavoury words and now their popular catchphrase is now "I don't support FBN or not a fan of FBN......". But we know them when they write because we are farmiliar with what they say. They called Saharareporters and what they said has been said exactly by one of the coded FBN online crew here yet he started with I don't like FBN.
On our campaign, we said it from the word go that we are a small brand but not unreasonable.
We are aware of many other small brands who have been cheated but got bullied and gave up. It is in their honour also we decided to speak up and there are several advice we are getting here that work has commenced on but won't disclose for now.We thank God for all the support we have recieved so far.
We are the victim. You can't beat us and still ask us not to cry. We will remain resolute in our demand that FBN pays us for designing their 125th Year anniversary logo.

daddytime:
First Bank just ran an advertorial on CNN @13:28 pm this 23rd Day of March 2020 with your purportedly designed logo.

Please kindly share the picture with us as here sir. There's only one masterpiece we created for them. We gave all our heart and soul to birth that masterpiece.

xtremecr8:
Please kindly share the picture with us as here sir. There's only one masterpiece we created for them. We gave all our heart and soul to birth that masterpiece.

Sorry, I didn't screenshot it.

This OP thinks FBN is sending trolls to him on this thread.

You think FBN will waste it's energy on less than N1m job?

So your whole business is tied to only FBN, that unless you are paid, you cannot move forward? It's seems you are cash crunch that you are ready to go to any length unless you are paid.

Instead of you to move forward you are hell bound on only one business deal that didn't work out.

Niseed:
You keep deflecting questions for whatever reasons best known to you.

OP wants everyone to believe his story without being questioned.

At the end, he labels such person as a troll in the employment of First Bank.

yusufu16:
This OP thinks FBN is sending trolls to him on this thread.

You think FBN will waste it's energy on less than N1m job?

So your whole business is tied to only FBN, that unless you are paid, you cannot move forward? It's seems you are cash crunch that you are ready to go to any length unless you are paid.

Instead of you to move forward you are hell bound on only one business deal that didn't work out.

Even if its one kobo, he deserves to be paid! What do u.mean by it didnt work out? Do u even.know what you are saying? He rendered a service to them, they should pay him even if it is one kobo! Stop encouraging nonsense! This is pure nonsense!

xtremecr8:
Clearly no amount of decent explanation will do for you FIRST Bank online crew. You started with conclusion but ended with assumptions. That alone says much about what's going on at your end sir.
Now we get your point and now know why you have ignored all our explanations to you and have been coming up with your theories. We appreciate your feedback and know what's going on. We have been told that this trolls attack is what all the big brands do to kill any of their victim but we assure you that this bone they have swallowed is going to stay in their throat for long sir.One more thing again sir, we know what you all are doing and saying and when we read it here, we just shake our heads.
It is how sad we have gotten to in this country.

I think you need to get out of the delusion that trolls are after you on this thread... FAR FROM IT.

Of course, Jide Aboderin and one or two people might be affiliated with First Bank (it's obvious when you read their comment - short and derogatory) but those that really engaged with you don't deserved to be called trolls.

It is also becoming evident that you are not sharing the full story of all that transpire in this situation.

Let me assure you that you may not get better responses and advise than those that has been given earlier from the beginning.

It can be demoralizing to have one's idea stolen, and not get paid for it, so I understand you sense of judgement of situation and interpretation of intentions might be skewed, nevertheless, I will suggest you re-read the whole thread (no offense intended)

Clearly, you have avoided providing answers to some questions, but for clarity, I have posted some obvious questions you neglected to answer.

1) How did they get the raw files to the logo in the first place, because they wouldn't have been able to use the logo on so many different scales if all you gave them was the tiny logo on the pad?

2) @ OP the logo on the Sahara video used on the stationary is Gold while the one used by FBN is in colour.
Did you make the adjustments and hand over the creatives/files to them or did FBN replicate it and added the colours using another graphic artist?

bcashy:
Even if its one kobo, he deserves to be paid! What do u.mean by it didnt work out? Do u even.know what you are saying? He rendered a service to them, they should pay him even if it is one kobo! Stop encouraging nonsense! This is pure nonsense!

My friend it clearly shows how shallow you are when it comes to business.

Not every business deals/transaction end up well. Sometimes you loose.

He is claiming he put in his energy to design the logo. What if they didn't use his logo.

Yes it's a bad business for him. I expect him to learn a lesson from this and move on instead of him wasting his time, money and energy on a fruitless venture

yusufu16:
My friend it clearly shows how shallow you are when it comes to business.

Not every business deals/transaction end up well. Sometimes you loose.

He is claiming he put in his energy to design the logo. What if they didn't use his logo.

Yes it's a bad business for him. I expect him to learn a lesson from this and move on instead of him wasting his time, money and energy on a fruitless venture

Its u that is sprewing rubbish! What if they didnt use the logo? Then he will have no reason to ask for payment! But they used the logo!

Is that how u run ur own imaginary business!?

bcashy:
Its u that is sprewing rubbish! What if they didnt use the logo? Then he will have no reason to ask for payment! But they used the logo!

Is that how u run ur own imaginary business!?

I don't have to time to argue with a shallow brain like you. I have more important things to do.

I wish the OP all the best

yusufu16:
I don't have to time to argue with a shallow brain like you. I have more important things to do.

I wish the OP all the best

Idiot like u have more important thing to do than to come here and talk trash? Ewu!

ubiquitousade:
I think you need to get out of the delusion that trolls are after you on this thread... FAR FROM IT.

Of course, Jide Aboderin and one or two people might be affiliated with First Bank (it's obvious when you read their comment - short and derogatory) but those that really engaged with you don't deserved to be called trolls.

It is also becoming evident that you are not sharing the full story of all that transpire in this situation.

Let me assure you that you may not get better responses and advise than those that has been given earlier from the beginning.

It can be demoralizing to have one's idea stolen, and not get paid for it, so I understand you sense of judgement of situation and interpretation of intentions might be skewed, nevertheless, I will suggest you re-read the whole thread (no offense intended)

Clearly, you have avoided providing answers to some questions, but for clarity, I have posted some obvious questions you neglected to answer.

1) How did they get the raw files to the logo in the first place, because they wouldn't have been able to use the logo on so many different scales if all you gave them was the tiny logo on the pad?

2) @ OP the logo on the Sahara video used on the stationary is Gold while the one used by FBN is in colour.
Did you make the adjustments and hand over the creatives/files to them or did FBN replicate it and added the colours using another graphic artist?

They always make mistake. That's the problem with lying. You will get caught.
That is typical FBN online crew;cunny but still make mistake.They resort to insulting unsavoury words , start with conclusion and end with assumptions that confirm their original intention.
The good thing about truth is that it is narrow and absolute.
Even the person who called Saharareporters on behalf of FBN was asked a simple and direct question of "did you pay xtremecr8 for designing your 125th Year anniversary logo?", he didn't say Yes.
It's a simple campaign: FBN, please pay us for creating your 125th Year Anniversary logo.
Anyone who couldn't understand that a labourer is worthy of his wages is a cheat. FBN officials who are struggling to pay us after our work have a character flaw and it tells you a lot about how FBN, the once leading bank in Nigeria became a shadow of its old self. They will end up like Union bank ,that is being rumoured to be acquired by Zenith ,someday unless these characters change or get replaced.
There's something that we guarantee you, everyone who played a part in hurting our business already know themselves.
We will remain resolute and won't stop our campaign until we get paid. We will go far and long to get justice. We don't struggle with truth because that's the foundation of our personal values.
They still used the same logo they haven't paid for on CNN today. That tells you the character of the people FBN gave their corporate communications and marketing to. They can be killing local businesses in Nigeria but enrich CNN, a foreign company.

bcashy:
Idiot like u have more important thing to do than to come here and talk trash? Ewu!

Please calm down sir. We know the anger we all feel and they are doing these things deliberately to goad you into exchange of tirades.
They will reap what they sow sir. Thank you for having our back.
They will work and not be paid and they will remember today some day.

yusufu16:
This OP thinks FBN is sending trolls to him on this thread.

You think FBN will waste it's energy on less than N1m job?

So your whole business is tied to only FBN, that unless you are paid, you cannot move forward? It's seems you are cash crunch that you are ready to go to any length unless you are paid.

Instead of you to move forward you are hell bound on only one business deal that didn't work out.

Think bawo? We didn't hire GhostPr and co. At some point, 4 of the monikers attacking us were opened on same day and when they ceased, their choice of words still persisted but with different monikers.
They are now using new monikers that were recruited to replace those monikers that suddenly disappeared after exposing them.

We were told by one of their high ranking retired employee that the problem of FBN is the character of the people FBN has given the task of carrying on with the vision of the founders.
The shares of first bank is the least patronized of the FUGAZ bank and the least in terms of share price.
Once loved and admired FBN of the past will never cheat a small brand like us and may even give us a letter to acknowledge our creative talent deployed in that masterpiece we created for them for their 125th Year anniversary logo.
FBN can't just continue like this. A lot is wrong with a system that doesn't see anything wrong in cheating a small brand like us.
We worked hard to create that logo and it is still a huge shock to us that fbn hasn't and doesn't want to pay us but still kept using the logo.
We deserve to get paid for our hardwork.
We will remain resolute and won't stop our campaign until we get paid.

Even the relatives of their dead employees are not spared.
Here is a letter a widow sent to them even after several visits to their office to claim the benefits of her departed husband who passed on well over a decade ago.
An organisation that treats us the way we are treated now and would even treat the relatives of their dead employees is obviously ethically and morally in need of help.
We deserve to be paid for our hardwork of designing their 125th Anniversary logo.

what was your service charge & how much did fbn offer you for the logo after your last meeting with them

Hunry:
what was your service charge & how much did fbn offer you for the logo after your last meeting with them

Honestly, that's not our bone of contention as they already have our invoice and will leave FBN to disclose that. From what a retired top member of their staff said, in their time,even if you charge N5 and FBN pays you N3, they will give you jobs to cover a period their patronage will compensate you for the N2 difference which makes a win win, so the price or affordability is not the issue. It's a character flaw on those charged with the interest of the bank.
The issue is that while we were given the impression that we are still in discussion on the price, someone inside FBN without our permission went behind us to lift the logo and use. They spent a lot of money reproducing the logo on their properties and documents and we were shocked when we stumbled on those items bearing the logo we created for them and yet to be paid for.
Those people who reproduce all these multiple usage of our hardwork and even CNN didn't do it for free so the issue of whether they can afford our services is not the problem.
At some point in time, the logo was all over their headquarters building in Marina and yesterday it was reportedly displayed on CNN yet we have not been paid a dime. That's the character flaw in those people at FBN. They didn't see the ethical dishonesty in stealing our Intellectual property and their obviously poor sense of justice and patriotism by attempting to kill us to grow CNN.
So what struck us is that those people at FBN don't have respect for creative intellectual property. They must have been infringing on people's intellectual property and getting away with it by goading you to take them to court.
We have maintained our stand that we deserve to get paid for that masterpiece we created for them to celebrate their milestone of 125 years in business.

yusufu16:
This OP thinks FBN is sending trolls to him on this thread.

You think FBN will waste it's energy on less than N1m job?

So your whole business is tied to only FBN, that unless you are paid, you cannot move forward? It's seems you are cash crunch that you are ready to go to any length unless you are paid.

Instead of you to move forward you are hell bound on only one business deal that didn't work out.

I don't like the fact that you're a mumu.

Jh0wsef:
I don't like the fact that you're a mumu.

The guy just dey make me laugh since. Have little to no clue about business. You offer a service, your rights get infringed on, and you just move on? Without getting paid for your effort?

This type of things happen, but I like the fact that OP is bringing it out.

I hope FBN do the needful and pay up. But let us know whenever you take it to twitter, some of us are ready to retweet until you trend for a day or two.

@OP FBN is too big not to pay for such a service.

How much are we talking about here?

This is a financial institution of the first order (DSIB) that is afraid of dragging her name in the mud.

FBN paid 1 million naira plus each to over 100 entry level for accommodation allowance. Entry level O...Think about it.

Do you know how much they pay for trainings, Logistics and other non essential stuffs?

How much can your service be worth?

Even if you want to get a cheap money from them, at least, package ur lie well. There are too many loose ends in ur claim. E no dey work like that!

Cbliz4real:
@OP FBN is too big not to pay for such a service.

How much are we talking about here?

This is a financial institution of the first order (DSIB) that is afraid of dragging her name in the mud.

FBN paid 1 million naira plus each to over 100 entry level for accommodation allowance. Entry level O...Think about it.

Do you know how much they pay for trainings, Logistics and other non essential stuffs?

How much can your service be worth?

Even if you want to get a cheap money from them, at least, package ur lie well. There are too many loose ends in ur claim. E no dey work like that!

Dear sir, since you know them very well and the fat salaries they pay ,is it not dishonest of a top official of big brand First Bank to authorise the use of our logo when they are yet to pay us?

You obviously don't have any compassion for us.
The person who authorized the use of our Intellectual property for First Bank Plc behind us is obviously among this same people being paid millions but still don't want us paid for our hardwork. Such a fat salary will still never satisfy people who cheat others by stealing from them their intellectual property sir.
The reason FBN went down as the darling bank of us all and sundry is for same reason. FBN of the past was the number one leading bank but Now? Not so because of this inherent character flaw of that character that didn't see qualms in using our logo without paying us a dime.

Hmmm.

Greenarrow01:
I said.. "who ever is sending trolls after you is stupid"
I guess you didn't see that one.. they I also said.. it could be you sending the trolls against yourself.
Also.. I stand by my words that you are stubborn,
And egocentric.
I have never abused anyone on social media before, so I apologize for calling you daft.
I have since unfollowed your thread, you are not paying me or gonna pay me, all what I did was to give you the advice of meeting the legal dept in order to sort this mess out, and my major concern was your brand not even the money. If I have done otherwise.. screenshot and bring it up.
Have a nice day
And I wish you the best

You also accused me of lying, so I guess we are in the same path, you shouldn't have accused me of lying when I didn't .. you couldn't even point out the lies

Hmmm.
Thank you for following this thread daily sir.
We know FBN online crew are on this thread morning, afternoon and night sir.
Whoever of the top management of FBN who authorized the use of our Intellectual property behind us is monitoring this thread too.

xtremecr8:
Hmmm.
Thank you for following this thread daily sir.
We know FBN online crew are on this thread morning, afternoon and night sir.
Whoever of the top management of FBN who authorized the use of our Intellectual property behind us is monitoring this thread too.

First of all.. your thread is on the business section, which of course I do frequent.
Secondly,
It's funny how you see everybody who made a contrary opinion on your thread as been a troll
I know you must have gone through my profile and post over and over again, looking for something to associate first bank with me.
I have already unfollowed your thread, long before today
Don't you ever quote me again.

Greenarrow01:
First of all.. your thread is on the business section, which of course I do frequent.
Secondly,
It's funny how you see everybody who made a contrary opinion on your thread as been a troll
I know you must have gone through my profile and post over and over again, looking for something to associate first bank with me.
I have already unfollowed your thread, long before today
Don't you ever quote me again.

Not everybody sir. Only true trolls especially those speaking from both ends sir. At first, we innocently thought they are passing comments until we found you all out sir.
You are following this thread every time all these days but you still lied that you are not following and had even unfollowed it.We have been seeing you every time but just shook our heads and remembered what Saharareporters journalists told us that big brands do.
You can be in the business section and may not need to open our thread let alone spend so long on the thread.
Like we said. Just be a force for good and tell them that a labourer is worthy of his wages.
We put all our heart in that masterpiece.

pman06:
The guy just dey make me laugh since. Have little to no clue about business. You offer a service, your rights get infringed on, and you just move on? Without getting paid for your effort?

This type of things happen, but I like the fact that OP is bringing it out.

I hope FBN do the needful and pay up. But let us know whenever you take it to twitter, some of us are ready to retweet until you trend for a day or two.

Thank you for having our back sir. God bless you sir. Please follow us on Twitter @xtremecr8

xtremecr8:
Not everybody sir. Only true trolls especially those speaking from both ends sir. At first, we innocently thought they are passing comments until we found you all out sir.
You are following this thread every time all these days but you still lied that you are not following and had even unfollowed it.We have been seeing you every time but just shook our heads and remembered what Saharareporters journalists told us that big brands do.
You can be in the business section and may not need to open our thread let alone spend so long on the thread.
Like we said. Just be a force for good and tell them that a labourer is worthy of his wages.
We put all our heart in that masterpiece.

You forcefully wanna join me to first bank
I won't be replying your mentions again

Posaze5:
All these fake stories just to drive your agenda, both you and the xtreme whatever are in the same camp... this whole thread, there is no proof of creation, how can one. Take a screenshot of a brand's materials and expects everyone to automatically believe they created it
.. if you really have a case, use the right channels

Another FBN online crew Posaze5 appeared.
Posaze5 has only posted 3 messages since being registered on nairaland and all the three were attacks on only news exposing the iniquities of First Bank Plc.