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PassingShot:
Is this all you can do?

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johnmartus:
Are you still blame Buhari for the failure of health workers to screen out the returnees in a proper way

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PassingShot:
I have read a lot of wailing and criticism about the FG’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic since it arrived in Nigeria on Feb 25th. The most recent was reactions to a thread comparing Nigeria’s handling of the crisis to that of UK. Expectedly but sadly, a lot of ignorant commenters were dancing albeit nakedly based on the newspaper’s report which didn’t even say that the UK is handling the pandemic better than Nigeria.

If any unbiased person wants to make any comparison about govts handling of the pandemic, their objective analysis will include parameters such as each govt’s efforts before COVID arrived at their shores (very important), each govt’s immediate response as soon as COVID arrived in their country, number of infected persons (confirmed) and lastly and most importantly, the number of deaths recorded as a result of the pandemic. But since many Nigerians have allowed their common sense to be affected by prejudice and hatred, they have abandoned these relevant parameters in making evaluating the govt’s response to the crisis. Now let’s quickly look at the following facts:

1. Measures taken by the Nigerian Govt before a COVID case was discovered in Nigeria: Long before the pandemic found its way into Nigeria, the FG embarked on monitoring body temperature of people flying into the country to be able to discover who may have showed any signs of the disease. By this time and despite that the disease was at their shores, USA, UK, Iran and many other “saner clime” countries were not even taking this measure. Dr. joe Abah did a thread on it and the World Health Organization commended Nigeria for this measure and going as far as using Nigeria as an example of how countries should respond to the pandemic. Read https://twitter.com/drjoeabah/status/1233989553008119809?lang=en for Dr. Joe’s Twitter thread and https://guardian.ng/news/coronavirus-who-commends-fgs-effort-on-response/ for WHO’s commendation.

2. Number of cases recorded in Nigeria versus that of UK or any other “saner country”: As at the time of writing this article (01/04/2010 @12 noon Naija time), the UK has 25,150 confirmed cases and 1,789 deaths; the USA has 188,639 cases and 4,059 deaths; Iran has 47,593 cases and 3,036 deaths, Italy has 105,792 cases and 12,428 deaths while many other “saner countries” have similar gloomy numbers to show for their efforts. Nigeria on the other hand has recorded 139 cases and 2 deaths. I expect some readers to jump on the fact that Nigeria is not testing as much as the mentioned countries, but the fact remains that while that may be responsible for the low number of confirmed cases, it couldn’t have been responsible for low number of deaths. Not carrying out enough testing would not have prevented people from being struck down by the disease or people dying as a result of it.

3. Another indication that Nigeria’s govt is doing her best in containing the spread of the virus can be seen when one compares the time the country’s first case was discovered to when those of the “saner countries” were discovered and juxtapose with the number of confirmed cases and deaths. Italy had her first case around January 31st, 2020 (two months ago), Spain had its first on Feb. 1st and Italy had it on Feb 21st which was only four days earlier than when Nigeria had hers on Feb 25th. Compare the number of deaths/confirmed cases of these countries and see if you have not been unreasonable in your criticism of the government.

The problem with wailers and destructive critics is that they always shift the goalposts. As such, you can never have any reasonable conversation with them. When the first case was reported in Nigeria, lead by their frustrated Wailer-in-Chief, they said it was a scam to be used to loot money. And when few more cases were confirmed some days after, they turned back to say the govt should have closed the bother long ago! Such is their pathetic life!

Ask them which country Nigeria should have emulated in containing the disease, those of them who still have a bit of sense will stutter because they would not dare say USA, UK, Italy or Germany but the chronic wailers who have obviously lost it all will still compare how Nigeria is managing the spread of the disease to the same UK which has lost almost two thousands of her people to the disease.

Does Nigeria have the facilities or the means to combat the COVID19 pandemic? The answer is a resounding NO. Does the country have a robust health system compared to those “saner countries”? Again, the answer is an emphatic No? Do we have enough money to deploy to tackle any outbreak in the size of that witnessed in UK, Italy, USA or Germany? The answer is an obvious NO. But the fact is that the state of our health system or the size of our purse wasn’t brought about by the current government but a result of many years of failure. So, why wailing uncontrollably instead of supporting the govt’s efforts at preventing the spread of the disease?

Had it been Buhari who reacted the way Trump and Boris Johnson first reacted to the COVID19 outbreak – by dismissing it and making all sorts of joke of it, or just like Seyi Makinde (your “presidential material”) who called it an APC disease, perhaps you would have possibly reacted in such a bad manner. There should be a limit to wailing!

Have a nice day.

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PassingShot:
That one that has been forced to create hundreds of monikers. He gets banned on hourly rate.

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idealogical:
Nigeria: 200 Million, 159 cases, 9 discharged, 2 deaths.

Going by states and population, we are doing better than Taiwan and a lot of countries around the world.

To have 200 million people and still have one of the lowest cases and death ratio in the world while countries with less than 30 million people are struggling with higher numbers is something to be cautiously happy about.

We are actually doing better than Taiwan and regardless of the measures they are nor not taking today, you have no clue about what measures tomorrow will bring.

Before commenting and before you compare us with other countries, do basic research.

I know you are inflamed with passion. But common sense tells us that Taiwan is a next door neighbor to China, and compared to their potential level of exposure, they have done brilliantly.

Now, even at that, they still had cases. Logically that should tell you that the situation is so grave out there that even with proactive measures countries cannot completely prevent it.

So what about those who refuse to be proactive at all like Nigeria?

I invite you to the table of reason sir. Have your seat like a gentleman.

Thank you for taking ur time to analysis this comparison..I really enjoyed the reading.
However, I dont know how much knowledge you have in statistics and science.

Have u asked your self how many people US,UK, Italy , Spain, Iran , south Korea have tested?

Have you not noticed the more people u test, the more confirmed cases you will get?

Has it not occurred to you that South Korea started testing everybody both asymptomatic and symptomatic individuals thats why their number of confirmed cases went up.

How many people have been tested in Nigeria? A country of more than 200 million with only 151 confirmed cases...

South African has tested more than 23,000 people and that's why the number of confirmed cases went up.


Dont forget that up to 80% of people who have COVID 19 are asymptomatic ( without any symptoms of COVID 19) thats why most western countries didn't bothered using temperature check as a means of screening for COVID 19 at their airports . The first index case in Nigeria his temperature was checked at the airport and it read normal value..

NCDC said they have up to 6,000 people that came on contact with the index cases we have in Nigeria, why can't them test all these 6,000 people?

If NCDC will increase their testing capacity, it will blow your mind the way the number of confirmed cases will go up.

This is the reason WHO emphasised that the best way to contain COVID 19 is by " testing! testing!! testing!!!
The more people you test, the more confirmed cases u will get, the more people you will place on isolation then the rate of spreading will decline.

lielbree:
This one na question? What stopped FG from closing our boarders early?

why did you and the chief wailer (FFK) called it an audio virus?
You people said it was a scam for federal government to loot more money.
Can federal government close boarders for a virus that you said it doesn't exist?

Oche211:
Good...
Actually, hatred has blinded so many people to reality.
Personally, my only issues with the FG was the fact that they failed to close our airports earlier than they did.
At the moment, it will be useless comparing naija style of handling the pandemic with that of other countries. We are better Biko.
USA and Europe is overwhelmed.
We should thank God and commend our officials especially the doctors.
They have been awesome.
This isn't the time for sentiment or hate filled ranting like most wailers do.

Paid BMC/BMO minions. We requested for border closure early on, they dismissed and called us wailers.
Senate president called for stricter screening at airports and borders , they dismissed and called an ingrate and unpatriotic.
The ruling APC and their cronies travelled abroad , came back and refused to isolate because they’re above the law. They spread this COVID-19 without any emergency plans. Lagos only had 100 bed hospital when an Italian man brought it to Naija. When Abba Kyari and disseminated this virus there were no additional isolation centers and testing centers accross the country.
At the moment, only testing centers in Lago,Ogun and Abj cover less than 20% of the popupaltion.
GMB gave a lockdown order under 24hrs without giving Nigerians enough time and warning to stock up on essentials. He took it seriously when it started affecting his friends and cabal.
He punished Nigerians by not providing relief like money for food and essentials.. ..

Please it’s time to sedate and quarantine your adulation for incompetent and corrupt leadership cos their actions have exposed you and you’r more likely to die from it

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PassingShot:
I've been hearing this for more than two weeks.

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PassingShot:
Great, which govt was indeed responsive to the looming danger then? I mean, tell us an example of the govt we should have emulated.
What many of you wailers don't accept is that this disease is unavailable. It will reach almost every known country of the world.

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Oche211:
Good...
Actually, hatred has blinded so many people to reality.
Personally, my only issues with the FG was the fact that they failed to close our airports earlier than they did.
At the moment, it will be useless comparing naija style of handling the pandemic with that of other countries. We are better Biko.
USA and Europe is overwhelmed.
We should thank God and commend our officials especially the doctors.
They have been awesome.
This isn't the time for sentiment or hate filled ranting like most wailers do.

You spoke my mind.
He should have shut down international airport earlier.

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PassingShot:
1. I already answered it in the original post.

2. If people have been dying as a result of suspected COVID case, we would have known. We haven't heard people dying mysteriously. Have you?

Till now, no govt in the world quarantines people just because they're returning from abroad. Where are the facilities and resources to keep thousands of people, including providing for their needs? So, if people choose to be irresponsible, the govt must still be blamed? Like those who filled wrong details in their form to enable contact tracing, right?

Many of you are unnecessarily hysterical.

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PassingShot:
1. Iran had her first case only four days earlier than us. Check their stats. Check any other country that has their first case in the last week of Feb and compare.

2. Same as my first response here. Nigeria does not have low inflow of people from the western world and China. More than enough sef.

3. Spike is usually with first 3 to 4 weeks of its outbreak. We have passed five weeks since the first case.

Closing your airspace is not a decision as simple as what yoi like to eat. It takes a lot of careful analysis and conviction that it's the right thing to do. Tell me which country did just that? If it was that simple and easy, many would have.

Lastly, the govt has given money to LASG and provided resources to NCDC. Like I said earlier, we can only expect the govt to act within its resources.

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PassingShot:
Closing a state's border isn't even an easy decision to take. How much more a national border. Even if the border was shit after the first case, would it have stopped at that one case?
And would citizens have been prevented from coming to their country even if airspace was closed?

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MetaPhysical:
How did you get 28 likes for this comment?

Im amazed!

It's now 34 likes and counting
Sai APC


Cc lzaa

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PassingShot:
Your wish.

On the contrary, the FG is reacting in the right manner. Govt does not have money to give and it reduced petrol pump price by N20 periter. Multiply this by the millions of litre we consume daily or per head of what individual consumes in a month, you'd realize how much in billions this translate to on monthly basis.
The FG gave Lagos N10bn and you say they haven't done anything? Let me leave you.

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Excuzeme:
Dont worry about that, he would write another epistle and put the blame on China.
We are still at the incubation stage and the BMO's are already patting themselves on the back.

Most people are refusing to even comment on the thread because the foolishness and reason behind it is just stomach churning!

Incubation??! Are you kidding me right now??!...

The virus takes 2 to 14 days for symptomatology to fully take off... At 21 days, an average infected person should be hospitalized or on the road to recovery!... Today is April 1st, some infected cases got detected as early as the first week of March... How many are hospitalized or dying??!... 9 known discharges already!!!

So, what incubation are you talking about sir??!... Even by the end of this month, most of you will still be predicting the worst!!! Na wa o!!!

GamalNasser:
It's time we address claims by Buharist clowns that because Nigeria has recorded just 2 death and 155 infections because of Buharis good leadership , this is huge lie and we will put an end to it today
s tell us what the Buhari govt has done well so the Americans can emulate him and learn , the truth is Buhari has done nothing

Why does Nigeria actually have lower numbers :

1 : Traveller inflow : in the first two months of 2020 America had already received over 58 million international travellers while Nigeria recieved about 485 thousand passengers , from this statistics you can see America has received over 100 times more people than Nigeria so is more likely to have imported more infected people but when we take the percentage of infect ion per mille we fine out that America has 0.02% per mille while Nigeria has 0.03% per mille which means Nigeria imported more infections per thousand at 155 confirmed cases today and if I go further and use the wild estimations that some 5000 infections might be runnings wild it the brings Nigeria imported infection per mille to over 1% which is a lot

2: Number of test carried out

3 : Low Transmission and lethality ; Another reason why the rates are low in Nigeria is that for some reason the virus has a slower or weaker rate of transmission and lethality in Nigeria and this might be due to a lot of factors like weather , humidity , genetic make up , diet and most probable to me the absence of any active 5g signal above 24Ghz ( this is for smarter folks so average folks can stand down please )

4 Lack of adequate data base requisite for contact tracing .

5 : [b]Self Medication

6: Youthful population

First of all thank you for arranging your thoughts in a very clear manner.
For context I'm neither a 'buharist zombie' or 'wailer'.
I'm just a young man that enjoy to watch political discussions and gameplay.
I have read your whole discuss and have a particular interest in 3
If I am to believe you are completely right about the low transmission and lethality, then pres buhari deserve all the praise as a leader for reading the situation and acting according instead of following other world leaders to shut down the economy and create unnecessary panic and pain for something with low transmission.
If you are right then, if buhari choose to hold a press conference on malaria instead of corona at this moment, he is completely doing the right thing because as a leader he will have given priority to a more lethal foe
If you are right, then without buharis leadership Nigeria has been this safe, what are you people then shouting for buhari to do again?
You complain that buhari is not working like his counterparts like Trump, Johnson, but buhari is not facing what his counterparts are facing, so why do you want him to overdo??
I for once think buhari can do better like buying more ventilators, but I'm holding your words up for you to see the implications of what you are saying

It always baffles me anytime I read some people's criticism on nairaland. It clearly shown that most people here are full of negativities, because they cannot see better things in their own personal lives it's now difficult for them to see good things in d lives of others. Sentiment apart, the government of Nigeria has really tried.

Miracle1991:
why did you and the chief wailer (FFK) called it an audio virus?
You people said it was a scam for federal government to loot more money.
Can federal government close boarders for a virus that you said it doesn't exist?

Stop being silly. Take your meds ok.

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PassingShot:
How do you test COVID-19 at the border when it's not done through a hand-held machine and you don't get test results in minutes?
The almighty USA and other countries don't even such testing equipment until recently. Even at that, the hurriedly developed testing kits give false results!

Again, stopping international flights isn't a tea-party decision. If it was, all saner countries would do that before a single case got to them.

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[quote author=hmohammed post=87993570][/quote]you don't need to waste your time educating those that their heart is full of hate.
GOD BLESS BUHARI
GOD BLESS NIGERIA

NaijaRoyalty:
Rubbish

The number of infected people are much more higher than what the useless government declared .

Over 10,000 people are already infected in Lagos alone .. All thanks to Buhari refusal to close the borders on time .

where do u people get these information? Some 2000 , some 1000 , please abeg let’s stop all these we hv 150 something cases , n that’s a scary situation already

I tire o....

We know we require Ventilators, how many companies are currently working on making ventilators as we speak, where are the prototypes they have developed. Other countries are getting their best engineers/companies to start developing ventilators, what the 4uck is Nigeria doing?

ItooWorWor:
What do you expect from someone with cow brain

cc lzaa

APCheat minions everywhere

Cc metaphysical johnmartus

Study4life:
Thank you for taking ur time to analysis this comparison..I really enjoyed the reading.
However, I dont know how much knowledge you have in statistics and science.

Have u asked your self how many people US,UK, Italy , Spain, Iran , south Korea have tested?

Have you not noticed the more people u test, the more confirmed cases you will get?

Has it not occurred to you that South Korea started testing everybody both asymptomatic and symptomatic individuals thats why their number of confirmed cases went up.

How many people have been tested in Nigeria? A country of more than 200 million with only 151 confirmed cases...

South African has tested more than 23,000 people and that's why the number of confirmed cases went up.


Dont forget that up to 80% of people who have COVID 19 are asymptomatic ( without any symptoms of COVID 19) thats why most western countries didn't bothered using temperature check as a means of screening for COVID 19 at their airports . The first index case in Nigeria his temperature was checked at the airport and it read normal value..

NCDC said they have up to 6,000 people that came on contact with the index cases we have in Nigeria, why can't them test all these 6,000 people?

If NCDC will increase their testing capacity, it will blow your mind the way the number of confirmed cases will go up.

This is the reason WHO emphasised that the best way to contain COVID 19 is by " testing! testing!! testing!!!
The more people you test, the more confirmed cases u will get, the more people you will place on isolation then the rate of spreading will decline.

will they just pack up people n start testing ?
Won’t they develop symptoms?
Won’t they get calls from the individuals with symptoms?
U people very unrealistic , they r doing their best as it is

Itemmanu:
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Gibberish

Counter his argument with fact. Don't be a wailer per second

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PassingShot:
I have read a lot of wailing and criticism about the FG’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic since it arrived in Nigeria on Feb 25th. The most recent was reactions to a thread comparing Nigeria’s handling of the crisis to that of UK. Expectedly but sadly, a lot of ignorant commenters were dancing albeit nakedly based on the newspaper’s report which didn’t even say that the UK is handling the pandemic better than Nigeria.

If any unbiased person wants to make any comparison about govts handling of the pandemic, their objective analysis will include parameters such as each govt’s efforts before COVID arrived at their shores (very important), each govt’s immediate response as soon as COVID arrived in their country, number of infected persons (confirmed) and lastly and most importantly, the number of deaths recorded as a result of the pandemic. But since many Nigerians have allowed their common sense to be affected by prejudice and hatred, they have abandoned these relevant parameters in making evaluating the govt’s response to the crisis. Now let’s quickly look at the following facts:

1. Measures taken by the Nigerian Govt before a COVID case was discovered in Nigeria: Long before the pandemic found its way into Nigeria, the FG embarked on monitoring body temperature of people flying into the country to be able to discover who may have showed any signs of the disease. By this time and despite that the disease was at their shores, USA, UK, Iran and many other “saner clime” countries were not even taking this measure. Dr. joe Abah did a thread on it and the World Health Organization commended Nigeria for this measure and going as far as using Nigeria as an example of how countries should respond to the pandemic. Read https://twitter.com/drjoeabah/status/1233989553008119809?lang=en for Dr. Joe’s Twitter thread and https://guardian.ng/news/coronavirus-who-commends-fgs-effort-on-response/ for WHO’s commendation.

2. Number of cases recorded in Nigeria versus that of UK or any other “saner country”: As at the time of writing this article (01/04/2010 @12 noon Naija time), the UK has 25,150 confirmed cases and 1,789 deaths; the USA has 188,639 cases and 4,059 deaths; Iran has 47,593 cases and 3,036 deaths, Italy has 105,792 cases and 12,428 deaths while many other “saner countries” have similar gloomy numbers to show for their efforts. Nigeria on the other hand has recorded 139 cases and 2 deaths. I expect some readers to jump on the fact that Nigeria is not testing as much as the mentioned countries, but the fact remains that while that may be responsible for the low number of confirmed cases, it couldn’t have been responsible for low number of deaths. Not carrying out enough testing would not have prevented people from being struck down by the disease or people dying as a result of it.

3. Another indication that Nigeria’s govt is doing her best in containing the spread of the virus can be seen when one compares the time the country’s first case was discovered to when those of the “saner countries” were discovered and juxtapose with the number of confirmed cases and deaths. Italy had her first case around January 31st, 2020 (two months ago), Spain had its first on Feb. 1st and Italy had it on Feb 21st which was only four days earlier than when Nigeria had hers on Feb 25th. Compare the number of deaths/confirmed cases of these countries and see if you have not been unreasonable in your criticism of the government.

The problem with wailers and destructive critics is that they always shift the goalposts. As such, you can never have any reasonable conversation with them. When the first case was reported in Nigeria, lead by their frustrated Wailer-in-Chief, they said it was a scam to be used to loot money. And when few more cases were confirmed some days after, they turned back to say the govt should have closed the bother long ago! Such is their pathetic life!

Ask them which country Nigeria should have emulated in containing the disease, those of them who still have a bit of sense will stutter because they would not dare say USA, UK, Italy or Germany but the chronic wailers who have obviously lost it all will still compare how Nigeria is managing the spread of the disease to the same UK which has lost almost two thousands of her people to the disease.

Does Nigeria have the facilities or the means to combat the COVID19 pandemic? The answer is a resounding NO. Does the country have a robust health system compared to those “saner countries”? Again, the answer is an emphatic No? Do we have enough money to deploy to tackle any outbreak in the size of that witnessed in UK, Italy, USA or Germany? The answer is an obvious NO. But the fact is that the state of our health system or the size of our purse wasn’t brought about by the current government but a result of many years of failure. So, why wailing uncontrollably instead of supporting the govt’s efforts at preventing the spread of the disease?

Had it been Buhari who reacted the way Trump and Boris Johnson first reacted to the COVID19 outbreak – by dismissing it and making all sorts of joke of it, or just like Seyi Makinde (your “presidential material”) who called it an APC disease, perhaps you would have possibly reacted in such a bad manner. There should be a limit to wailing!

Have a nice day.

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Good to read the points you raised. Now, I'll can only attempt to, based on those raised alone, make you understand how we've only been fooling ourselves.



Your first point was on how body temperature was being checked at the airports, before our first recorded case.

Please, kindly school me on how effective temperature check is, in detecting a possible corona virus carrier. While you're at it, kindly explain again how the index case got through the check at the airport.

What's the incubation period of this virus?

As an alternative to the temperature check, wouldn't it have been wise if we had subjected those coming from other countries, especially from the flash points, to some sort of self isolation and monitoring, as it's the current practice?



On your second point, you'll have to understand that we can not ignore the fact that the more test we carry out, the higher the confirmed cased could rise (God forbid). The more confirmed cases we record, the more it will stretch our ill-equiped isolation units and medical centers. The more pressure we put on the system, the higher the likelihood of having more casualties (again, God forbid).

It's well known that the best way to beat this is by carrying out massive testing of residents. How many testing centers do we have in the country currently? What's the cost of setting up one? Why couldn't we set up as many as possible before our index case? Proactive?


The last point you raised, again, slow testing facilities, like I pointed out above, could be responsible for it. Otherwise, why the steady increase in numbers of confirmed case?


Lastly, I can only appeal to everyone that irrespective of our partisan interests, we should all rise up and speak up so as to make the people in authority to realize why government was created in the first place. Let's stop celebrating mediocrity.

Buhari's government was too slow. Late travel restrictions is a failure on their part. Natural advantage/factors is what has helped Nigeria. Lagos govt is even more swift and actually set out the road map for the Fg.

SmartyPants:
I know you are inflamed with passion. But common sense tells us that Taiwan is a next door neighbor to China, and compared to their potential level of exposure, they have done brilliantly.

Now, even at that, they still had cases. Logically that should tell you that the situation is so grave out there that even with proactive measures countries cannot completely prevent it.

So what about those who refuse to be proactive at all like Nigeria?

I invite you to the table of reason sir. Have your seat like a gentleman.

The problem with wailers and destructive critics is that they always shift the goalposts. As such, you can never have any reasonable conversation with them.

The new goal post. The OP was right about you wailers, you say one thing and after getting corners with facts, you run around the corner and co,me up with another rubbish.

Your come back story doesn't alter the stats and realities, this is the problem with you wailers, you don't know anything and you won't read or do basic research, you just wail and wail needlessly.

BTW, you can not tell us how grave the situation is because we know and we've been dealing with it successfully since day one, our first case was successfully isolated, quarantined, treated and discharged.

Your negative spirit doesn't align facts and realities on the ground, just find something else to wail and lose sleep over.