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tosyne2much:
The emboldened also disgusts and gets me worried when I see polytechnic graduates who can't write coherently in English.

Well, in as much as some polytechnic students can't stand their ground, some university students on the other also can't stand their stand their ground.. Just that people tend to fault polytechnic students unjustly

geez18:
i went through both system and i'm very sure you're wrong

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I also passed through both system he's 10001% right. i'l be forced to explain further just don't argue further.

tosyne2much:
I never detected error bro.. I was only cracked up when you said agricultural students who applied were sent home


Btw, I no sabi speak English like that oooo

Hahaha OK. Thank God I'm safe. Honestly, it was embarrassing. One of them even started blaming his mother for allowing him read Fishery.

Op so you want me to believe that Bsc graduate are better than HND holders fat lie. I have seen alot of Bsc holders who can't construt a simple sentense let alone address an audience of ten persons.
HND holders will dazzle their counterpart Bsc holders anytime any day in whatever angle.





Proudly a potential HND holder.

Skills10:
God bless you for this post of yours.

Silly Article.

Which University did Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, John Obi Mikel, David Becham, Jay Jay Okocha attend?

These guys are miles ahead of the OP in every sphere of life. I Studied Electrical Engineering from Yabatech and I never regretted going there.

After spending the 5 years in Uni, you get a 100K per month job and some Poly graduates in Telecoms/IT earn over 800K per month cause of their expertise.

Omotola Jalade graduated from Yabatech.

Whether it is a Poly or Uni it doesn't define you.

A myopic reasoning indeed.

We all have our relevance in the society.

the truth is that Op shouldn't have brought this article here. Op's problem might be inferiority complex. How on earth should he even compare the two certificates? Who asked him to? The truth is that Op is unemployed and frustration might have led to this article. Pls let's forgive him. Admin do ur job

engrlarex:
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I also passed through both system he's 10001% right. i'l be forced to explain further just don't argue further.

if you've got the time please do explain.i don't know your discipline but mine is engineering from federal schools and no amount of arguement can change my stance.

bsc holders and Hnd holders... What good is there to argue;who is better? University is good.. For instance, engineering is taught in university as a pure science, and as a physical science in polytechnic. We need to learn to start solving our countries problem and not debating whose certificate is better, Mark zuckerberg,michael dell,michael jordan,michael jackson,steven speilbeirg,oprah winfrey, malcom x, bill gates,steve jobs,dangote,messi,ronaldo,prophet mohammed and jesus christ..... None has bsc or a Hnd.. Yet we celebrate them. Bsc and Hnd is jst a paper,it can get burnt. If u have an idea.. Turn to business and make money. Bsc and Hnd is for those who dnt wanna think outside the box.. You are being paid 200k per month, a road side mechanic makes 10k-15k a day, a phone technician makes average of 20k a day. Check out hw much each makes a month. If u are a poly grad.. Jst get a pro. Cert., poly was designed to bring out the field workers, COE was designed to make our teachers... But know that the world has gone beyound theory and practical.... We are in an era of ideas and innovation.

Whether Univ or Poly or college of Edu or technical sch. D koko b say make Dem credit my account @ month End.

tosyne2much:
Egbon, wetin be ur contribution for this matter?

The debate is getting boring jare. Most of those who carry out this comparison don't actually know much about the Nigerian HND programme; its history, what necessitated it, the objective and philosophy of the programme.

To respond directly to the OP, I'll just paste my response to a similar thread opened by a nairalander (DrFunmi) last year:


1. Entrance Qualification: The introduction of UTME ended the era of dichotomy in O'level requirements though some Polytechnics still admit with 4 O'level credits just like some Northern Universities accept D7 in Maths or English for some courses. The discrepancy in UTME scores cut-off is the issue here and most polytechnics have kicked against that. That's why Polytechnics like Yabatech insist on same UTME cut-off mark with the universities. The impression that lower entrance requirements for polytechnics implies inferior or poor academic standard is far from reality. The stakes are higher in polytechnics where you have to prove yourself worthy in both theory and practicals. The superior academic standard of polytechnics has been proved overtime through Direct Entry, External Exams and at Work Place where polytechnic undergraduates/graduates have engaged their university counterparts. So the deliberate lowering of entry requirements of polytechnics by 'the power that be' is an unwarranted discriminatory policy in itself and stakeholders in the polytechnics have always kick against it. Sadly, our society despises technical education therefore most students prefer universities to polytechnics. Therefore the lower entry requirement is an incentive to attract secondary school leavers to polytechnics but it is wrong.

2. Quality of Lecturers: We all know that most of those Professors and Ph.D holders in universities don't do the actual lecturing. It is common practice for them to delegate their duties to graduate assistants and postgraduate students under their supervision while they focus on 'research' and attendance of conferences. That said.

It is only in Nigeria that a tertiary institution can't award a degree unless it carries the nomenclature 'university'. That's one of our retrogressive policies. If not for this myopic policy, the HND programme wouldn't have surfaced in the first instance. Those who know the history of Nigerian Polytechnics, know that the 'middle level manpower' in the polytechnic act refers to the ND (National Diploma). So to produce ND holders, bachelor's degree was adequate as minimum academic qualifications of polytechnic lecturers. When there was a need for polytechnics to award a qualification higher than the ND, the polytechnic Act ought to have been amended to allow polytechnic award degrees. That didn't happen as result of the myopic policy earlier mentioned hence the retention of bachelor's degree as a minimum academic qualification to lecture in a polytechnic. When the HND/B.Sc. debate resurfaced nationally in 2006, NBTE upgraded that requirement to master's degree. Apart from these myopic policies, the unjustified discrepancy in salary/benefits in favour of university counterparts is another factor. It is natural for scholars to be more attracted to where their inputs will be more appreciated. Another factor is that Ph.D holders' career are terminated at Chief Lecturer level in the polytechnics unlike universities where they can rise to become a professor. These hostile policies, as a result of Nigeria's neglect of technical education, are directly responsible for the lesser number of Ph.D holders you'll find in an average polytechnic. But even at that, some Polytechnics like Auchi poly and Yabatech have more Ph.D holders than some universities.

3. Research Work: There is a fundamental difference between the educational philosophy/objectives of polytechnics and universities. While universities focus on development of new ideas, the polytechnics focus on how to fine tune such ideas and make it work. It is however sad that we focus on argument about superiority of roles here in Nigeria instead of appreciating the complementary roles of the two institutions. Also, the research objectives of polytechnics is usually geared towards producing something physical and not just about publishing abstract concepts, that may not have any/immediate useful applications, in international journals. Therefore one can be quick to conclude that polytechnics don't conduct research but a visit to one of the exhibitions of polytechnics will make you conclude otherwise. There are many prototype technologies waiting for adoption in our polytechnics but our government's disregard for technical education and preference for imported technologies (forgetting that producers of such imported technologies started from somewhere) will never make them look inwards.

4. Funding: Underfunding of polytechnics is part of the unjustified discriminatory policies of government against polytechnics. We hope this will end when technical education regains its pride of place. With such low level of funding however, polytechnic students still have better and adequate access to facilities than their university counterparts because most polytechnics do not over-admit students. The mad rush for Nigeria's sub-standard university education, as a result of discriminatory policies against polytechnics and colleges of education, has left us with situations like collapse of students during lectures as a result of overcrowding. When you examine the NEEDS assessment of our universities, you'll focus more on making your degree relevant than trying to pull down HND.

5. Quality of students: Again the discriminatory policies of government make polytechnics unattractive to most bright students.

6. Size and Beauty of Campus: The polytechnics were originally established to offer only technical courses. Unlike universities, the colleges/schools/faculties are few hence the few structures.

7. Preference/Demand: It appears degree holders are preferred presently because Nigeria is largely a consuming economy. We import virtually everything. China recently overtook the United States as the world's leading economy. They were able to achieve that because they placed premium on technical and vocational education. It may interest you to know that most Chinese Engineers in our construction industry are not degree holders yet our government prefer them to local 'Engineers'. Why? They get the job done while our own 'Engineers' are stating theories.

8. Self Esteem: It depends on the personality of the HND holder.

The additional point made by the OP is on scholarships. That's sadly true but it only points to the fact that those awarding those scholarships are myopic. The Federal Government is also culpable especially in their PRESSID scheme (I have an article criticizing that). MTN foundation scholarship is the most visionary. There was a time I sent complaints to major multinational oil companies about their exclusion of HND holders from their postgraduate scholarship scheme. It turned out that most them were ignorant of the fact that HND holders can actually secure admission directly into postgraduate programmes in the US, Canada, Australia, Norway etc. They exclude HND holders because they assume they'll have to spend more if PGD is required as it is in Nigeria.

geez18:
if you've got the time please do explain.i don't know your discipline but mine is engineering from federal schools and no amount of arguement can change my stance.

I studied Electrical and Electronic Engineering from The Federal Polytechnic,ilaro before I proceeded to Obafemi Awolowo University,ile-ife. comparing polytechnic to university is like comparing -0 to infinity both technical and theoretical. what make it looks as if Polytechnic students r practically inclined is because, they see themselves to be more practically inclined automatically by going further to learn more of technicality in their course of study because they believe it will be ridiculous for them to call and u couldn't do practical and they fear of what people would say "after all na Poly you go" but being taught practicals in school na lie be dat1 compare to university.

makazona:
Keep on believing that until u will be thoroughly shaken to the bone by a sound Poly Pub Admin graduate.Be wise.

Hehehehehehe......... M waiting bruh... I love challenges. If m schooled. I will ask my Alma mater to withdraw my Second class upper.
Please, mail me when you see any!!!

[color=#006600][/color]OP, no lemme vex for you oooo... Shey na same Uni I attend? Do you know what average Abia Poly computer science students and graduates are doing with their PCs? Mehn, these guys are fucking good. What does an average UNN computer science graduate know? NOTHING. BLOCK HEADS.


Can you compare ur best University here in Nigeria with University of Ghana? Or Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and technology, Kumasi?

Make una no de deceive una selves.

LIFE TESTIMONY: I had very intelligent lecturers back in my University days but some of these guys were so full of themselves that they hardly come to classes. I had not less than 7 professors in my department, Political science which also houses public administration. But after my second year first semester, I stopped attending the classes of those pompous lecturers. I began to develop myself. I will always make researchers, engage my seniors in educative debates and read when necessary tho I'm not a bookworm.
As difficult and deadly as the department of political science could be, ask anybody studying that course, I was the second best graduating student of 2014 set with over 250 students with a CGPA of 3.89.
NB: My lecturers didn't make me, I made myself. It's all about self development people. Today, I help my boss who is a lecturer in writing his textbooks.
A Poly student can be better than that Unilag graduate with a 5.00CGPA. It's all about self development.
#Bye

hansome01:
Hehehehehehe......... M waiting bruh... I love challenges. If m schooled. I will ask my Alma mater to withdraw my Second class upper.
Please, mail me when you see any!!!

Then i think we should see that stuff in you now Sir.
Am in....am waiting for you

tosyne2much:
To say that you studied Electrical Engineering and you didn't go through practical becomes a mystery.. Speak for yourself bro, don't generalize. That your school failed to impact practical knowledge to you does not mean that every other Polytechnic is like that


In as much as I'm not in Engineering line, at least I have friends in that field and I know the rigorous practicals those niggas go through.. In fact, we even call on them to help to us fix our light and our appliances when faulty

and u call all those ones practicals...u funny die.

Today will be an exposure to the Pros and Cons Of Nigerian higher institution - Polytechnic and Universities.
It is very obvious that some polytechnics in Nigeria has risen to higher standard more than most Nigerian Universities. This is because of how Nigerian treat or feel toward Polytechnic.
http://www.the1960post.com/2016/12/nigerian-polytechnic-versus-nigerian.html

mytym and handsomeo1 please i need your help. biko notify me u will answer me.

Captain8:
mytym and handsomeo1 please i need your help. biko notify me u will answer me.

Roger captain

mytym:
Roger captain

Mytym abeg how many session complete 2years in polytechnic? i dont understand session. pls

Captain8:
Mytym abeg how many session complete 2years in polytechnic? i dont understand session. pls

Normal 2sessions, like every higher institution. Theres SIWES/SWEP in between but under normal condition, 2academic sessions will be completed within 24months.

mytym:
Normal 2sessions, like every higher institution. Theres SIWES/SWEP in between but under normal condition, 2academic sessions will be completed within 24months.

ok thank u bro

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