carik:
Misplaced priorities

LARRYDKING:


so whr do u study?

fromnigeria:
back your points up with facts, because i still cant fathom how all eight point relate or determine the quality of student in uni or poly. In my own view it is usually individual effort that counts.
For instance, while in camp, a lady had to copy out her details ( name, address etc) on a piece of paper so she can fill out a form, Same lady finished from one nasarawa state university.

Mixty:

Stop consoling yourself. In your hearts of heart, you know that BSc is better. For every one successful HND holder, there are 1000+ successful BSc holders.

tosyne2much:
Fine !!! I'm an aspiring HND holder ...... Make una sit down dia dey carry Bsc for head while I keep driving my jeep ......

Jamb entry level or not, discrimination or not, Bsc superiority or not, it will neva change the fact you can never be successful than your destiny

kasbeats:
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Ao ti kofa nile ,ifa ti n se
Spoken like a true Polytechnic student (can't even call you undergrad,igberaga ko) ...

sayyadi01:
As an educated someone who obtained either Bsc. or HND do not beat your chest and be proud of the name of your certificate or the name of your institution. But, be proud of the level of education or experience you've acquired during the course of your studies. I am indebted to inform you that understanding is a wisdom bestowed by Almighty God, He showers His wisdom and blessings upon whom He likes. I am currently a Corp member, I obtained an HND in Science Laboratory Technology/ Microbiology with distinction grade from Polytechnic, but one thing that surprises me when we were posted to our various PPA's was, a Bsc. holder who obtained his certificate from a renowned Nigerian university doesn't know how to fill a biodata form. When he was filling the form, there was a column provided for him to write his discipline, instead of him to write his course of study, he went ahead and wrote Bsc, degree. Now my question is, is Bsc, degree discipline
Another issue is of this Nigerian renowned university's graduate who was opportuned to got an appointment with state ministry of education as class room teacher, upon writing an acceptance letter, he pleaded to be changed to an office holder not teacher, when asked why? he replied that he could not teach what read, and remember he was taught by Internationally renowned Doctors and Professors. So my brother its all about how you can understand, assimilate and deliver not the name of your certificate or institution.

DrFunmi:
Success in life should not be determined by our alma mater. I believe that everybody has a chance to be successful whether they went to a university or polytechnic. Our success is in our hands. This write-up is not meant to degrade HND holders. I am one of those that are strongly against the discrimination against HND holders. However, the reality on ground (due to the discrimination) is that BSc is still more superior to HND and I have given reasons below to state the obvious but bitter truth.

1 Entrance Qualification - The entrance qualification to the university is more stringent than that to the polytechnic. The UTME cut off for universities is higher than that of polytechnics. All universities require a minimum of 5 credits in WASSCE/NECO while most polytechnics accept 4 credits as minimum requirement. It is well accepted that the entrance qualification to any institution says a lot about the prestige attached to such institution.

2 Quality of Lecturers- You cannot compare the quality of lecturers in the university to that of the polytechnic. Most university lecturers are professors and PhD holders with decades of teaching and research experience to show for it. Some of them are universally renowned professors. The head of universities are always renowned and experienced academic professors. Most Master degree holders in universities are mere assistant lecturers. The same cannot be said of polytechnics where most of their 'experienced' lecturers are mere BSc holders. Most rectors of polytechnics are Msc holders, only a few have PhD. Even corps members lecture polytechnic students. Has it ever occurred to you why polytechnics find it hard to employ even their own products (HND holders) to lecture? Instead, they employ mostly university grads to teach.

3 Research Work- University is the bedrock of research work. Research work lays the foundation of advancement and any sane society will rate any higher institution by the quality of their research. Unfortunately, the quality of research work in Nigerian universities is poor but this is still far better than that of polytechnics that do absolutely nothing (or very negligible research work).

4 Funding- Universities are much more funded than polytechnics. One of the metrics for determining the quality of an institution is the level of funding. No wonder, the government and the media pay more attention to the demand of ASUU over ASUP. Thus, you will expect a product of a university to be better trained than that of a polytechnic.

5 Quality of students - The brightest, youngest and most motivated students go to the universities. Go to a polytechnic and what you will see a lot of dejected, not-so-young students who have written UTME many times but have not succeeded. A few in the polytechnics are young and bright, but they are few and far between. The majority of young and bright students, just fresh from secondary school are found within the 4 walls of the university. Thus, most university grads are of higher intellectual quality than their poly counterparts.

6 Size and Beauty of Campus - A lot can be said about the quality of an institution by the architectural structures of the institutions. Let's take the elite universities and polytechnics in Nigeria for instance. One cannot compare the architectural edifices in the prestigious OAU, UI, ABU, UNN, UNILAG, UNIBEN to that of Yabatech, Kadpoly, Auchi, Bida Poly or any polytechnic in Nigeria. No polytechnic in Nigeria can even compete with some 2nd and 3rd generation universities like FUT Minna, UniJos, FUTA, etc in terms of structures.

7 Preference / Demand - The preference for BSc is higher than for OND/HND. All or almost all aspiring students wish to go to the university. Employers generally prefer BSc holders over HND holders. HND holders are seen as middle level manpower (That was the intent when polytechnics were initially created). There are more opportunities for BSc holders not just within the country but outside Nigeria. Jobs and scholarship opportunities abound for BSc holders and undergraduates while it is almost non-existent for HND holders.

8 Self Esteem - Last but not the least, an average BSc holder is more confident than an average HND holder. This is however not the fault of HND holders who unfortunately have to face stiff discrimination in the labour market, thus negatively impacting on their self esteem.

DrFunmi:

You got it all wrong. I didn't put this up to trigger argument. I just wanted to state some obvious hard truth. I wish both BSc and HND holders the best of 2015.

Modified: 1 forgot to add this point:

9 Worth of certificate - the BSc certificate is more valuable than the HND certificate. An HND holder requires a PGD to further his Postgraduate studies even if the holder has a distinction. On the other hand, a BSc holder can directly enrol for MSc or PhD without any hurdle. HND is equivalent to an associate degree in the USA and will require additional courses to be accepted in foreign institution. A BSc holder in Nigeria faces no such barrier.

rhames:


Why do you put all your strength in spreading these lies?

1.) Ever since the 70's through the 90,s. the minimum entry requirment for tertiary institutions is 5 o level credits. Where did you get your info from?

2.) If you graduated from Yabatech and Federal Poly Ilaro you will not find a shortage of Ph.D' s in these and other institutions in the south. Again what makes you think a first class graduate from a polytechnic cant teach anyone from a university.

3.) Research work in polytechnics are very practical because of the SIWES programmes and some OND graduates preferring to gain more years of experience in practice compared to B. Sc holders who have little practical experience compared to their polytechnic kin.

4.) Funding or not does not denote the academic or professional brilliance of a graduate of an institution.

5.) Who told you that the brightest go to the university? I know of people still studying in polytechnics who have added professional qualifications to their names before their OND. A B.Sc undergraduate has to wait till he rounds off his programme before he can add other qualifications.

6.) Size and beauty of campus. When did beautiful buildings become a symbol of academic performance. Are you insinuating that Polytechnics are refuse dumps?

8.) Preference for B. Sc graduates in NIgeria yes. Why? General Yakubu Gowon and his ilk made polytechnics glorified secondary schools since 1970s and since then Polytechnic qualifications and that of Colleges of Education have been relegated to the background only in Nigeria. Have you ever gone outside this country especially in the UK where Polytechnics offer B.SC M.Sc and Ph.D?

9.) Where for God's sake will B.Sc holders have "self esteem' if my previous statements in did not happen?

Osahon7:
Read what you wrote and see weda it makes sense

bamdexfarms:


u are a bloody liar, i am a graduate of yabatech and 90 percent of brilliant students in unilag are products from yabatech. also, why do unilag guys always come to beg yabatech students to write their exams for them?.... YABATECH.... the first and still the best

zebra:
Nigerian universities have been using their profs to churn out unskilled and unemployable graduates since 1914, while the polytechnics with their HND/Bsc/PGD and Msc lecturers have been churning out skillful, highly technical, and employable graduates. Which one is better? All stakeholders in the universities should accept this fact and think of how to resuscitate the system rather than claiming superiority when such does not exist.

Mixty:

Hogwash
If that's the case, why is it that there are far more job opportunities for university graduates? Why are more BSc holders getting more well-paying jobs than HND folks? Why are HND holders crying about the few job and scholarship opportunities available to them.
BSc remains superior to HND. If you don't like that, well,...I can't help your case.

DrFunmi:
Success in life should not be determined by our alma mater. I believe that everybody has a chance to be successful whether they went to a university or polytechnic. Our success is in our hands. This write-up is not meant to degrade HND holders. I am one of those that are strongly against the discrimination against HND holders. However, the reality on ground (due to the discrimination) is that BSc is still more superior to HND and I have given reasons below to state the obvious but bitter truth.

1 Entrance Qualification - The entrance qualification to the university is more stringent than that to the polytechnic. The UTME cut off for universities is higher than that of polytechnics. All universities require a minimum of 5 credits in WASSCE/NECO while most polytechnics accept 4 credits as minimum requirement. It is well accepted that the entrance qualification to any institution says a lot about the prestige attached to such institution.

2 Quality of Lecturers- You cannot compare the quality of lecturers in the university to that of the polytechnic. Most university lecturers are professors and PhD holders with decades of teaching and research experience to show for it. Some of them are universally renowned professors. The head of universities are always renowned and experienced academic professors. Most Master degree holders in universities are mere assistant lecturers. The same cannot be said of polytechnics where most of their 'experienced' lecturers are mere BSc holders. Most rectors of polytechnics are Msc holders, only a few have PhD. Even corps members lecture polytechnic students. Has it ever occurred to you why polytechnics find it hard to employ even their own products (HND holders) to lecture? Instead, they employ mostly university grads to teach.

3 Research Work- University is the bedrock of research work. Research work lays the foundation of advancement and any sane society will rate any higher institution by the quality of their research. Unfortunately, the quality of research work in Nigerian universities is poor but this is still far better than that of polytechnics that do absolutely nothing (or very negligible research work).

4 Funding- Universities are much more funded than polytechnics. One of the metrics for determining the quality of an institution is the level of funding. No wonder, the government and the media pay more attention to the demand of ASUU over ASUP. Thus, you will expect a product of a university to be better trained than that of a polytechnic.

5 Quality of students - The brightest, youngest and most motivated students go to the universities. Go to a polytechnic and what you will see a lot of dejected, not-so-young students who have written UTME many times but have not succeeded. A few in the polytechnics are young and bright, but they are few and far between. The majority of young and bright students, just fresh from secondary school are found within the 4 walls of the university. Thus, most university grads are of higher intellectual quality than their poly counterparts.

6 Size and Beauty of Campus - A lot can be said about the quality of an institution by the architectural structures of the institutions. Let's take the elite universities and polytechnics in Nigeria for instance. One cannot compare the architectural edifices in the prestigious OAU, UI, ABU, UNN, UNILAG, UNIBEN to that of Yabatech, Kadpoly, Auchi, Bida Poly or any polytechnic in Nigeria. No polytechnic in Nigeria can even compete with some 2nd and 3rd generation universities like FUT Minna, UniJos, FUTA, etc in terms of structures.

7 Preference / Demand - The preference for BSc is higher than for OND/HND. All or almost all aspiring students wish to go to the university. Employers generally prefer BSc holders over HND holders. HND holders are seen as middle level manpower (That was the intent when polytechnics were initially created). There are more opportunities for BSc holders not just within the country but outside Nigeria. Jobs and scholarship opportunities abound for BSc holders and undergraduates while it is almost non-existent for HND holders.

8 Self Esteem - Last but not the least, an average BSc holder is more confident than an average HND holder. This is however not the fault of HND holders who unfortunately have to face stiff discrimination in the labour market, thus negatively impacting on their self esteem.